This is National Socialism!

[Nordmann]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n134uPfn_VA

Heil Hitler!

[Libertarian_Guard]

http://i34.tinypic.com/33mlyfa.jpg


This is National Socialism!

[LuckyStrike]

Wow only 59 views, pathetic.

Considering everyone is an expert (self proclaimed) on NS and Hitler, I think this video is a good insight into them both.

I greatly appreciate the OP posting this.

[iOWNme]

Great post! Thank you....

I do not claim to be an expert on Hitler or NS, but i do have an educated opinion... :)

If you were a destitute German worker with nothing, Hitlers words sound so convincing and uplifting. He had such a way of capturing his audience, while they hung on his every word. But you never heard him speak of Liberty for the individual, it was always about the people joining together to remain powerful (Fascism = 1 stick is easily breakable, but many sticks joined together are unbreakable), it was always about the collective subverting the individual.

National Socialism sucks. It is a disease that will erode ANY country. For NS cannot be sustained at a given rate. It must either slide further, into Communism, or tip back into a Democracy. It cannot be sustained. Just like a Democracy cannot be sustained, it MUST slide into Socialism, or go back to a Republic.

For Hitler to be anti-Marxist is laughable, and pure propaganda. Both use Central Banks, a graduated personal income tax, abolishing private property, and State owned or controlled communications, transportation and education. For the individual's Liberty the differences were 0.

[LuckyStrike]

National Socialism sucks. It is a disease that will erode ANY country. For NS cannot be sustained at a given rate. It must either slide further, into Communism, or tip back into a Democracy. It cannot be sustained. Just like a Democracy cannot be sustained, it MUST slide into Socialism, or go back to a Republic.

For Hitler to be anti-Marxist is laughable, and pure propaganda. Both use Central Banks, a graduated personal income tax, abolishing private property, and State owned or controlled communications, transportation and education. For the individual's Liberty the differences were 0.




Do you have examples of NS "sliding" deeper into communism or tipping back into democracy?

I'm assuming based on the 2nd paragraph that you haven't read Mein Kampf the entire book condemns marxism and it's grip over Germany. So let's address some of your statements.

1. While Nazi Germany did have a Central Bank it wasn't privately owned by Jews but rather a national bank like our founding fathers intended.

2. As for taxes in 1941 the top German tax rate was less than 14% meanwhile in the land of the free our tax rate was 81% and 24% in the UK. So on that note it seems like the National Socialists, weren't.

3. As for private property I have seen no evidence that they even had property taxes and while they did take over businesses formerly controlled by marxists and their labor unions I have also seen no evidence that they took over anything else.

“I absolutely insist on protecting private property ... we must encourage private initiative” Adolf Hitler 1942

4. I have not seen evidence to prove that they did control communications, roads, or education. I would assume they did in some level since they created the autobahn which was the most advanced and best system of roads the world has ever known.

I think that since the word "socialism" is used in NS automatically people associate it with say fabian socialists, communism or some other authoritarian form of government. Yet I ask you what other country exploded using any metric you choose in such a short amount of time. Germany went from being raped at Versailles to a Superpower with the world fighting it at every step in just a decade.

We all know that government intervention doesn't work, not just that it doesn't compete with the free market but it doesn't work at all, save the AK NOTHING good came out of 100 years of jewish controlled soviet russia, yet Germany turned out some of the finest products of it's time, rockets, jets, roads, the US nor Soviet space programs would amount to a dung hill had it not been from the German scientists working post WWII.

So we have something that is fact which is "centrally planned economies don't work" yet we have undeniable proof that Nazi Germany was one of the most successful countries on the planet during it's short life. So I argue the only thing "socialist" about German National Socialism is the name.

[Phoenix]

Arguing with people whose only knowledge of National Socialism or Adolf Hitler comes from the Jewsmedia (Talmudvision, Holowood, Jew York books, etc.) is an effort in futility. They "know" what happened, they "know" how "evil" Hitler was. "I saw the bodies, I've seen the tattoos, I visited the Holocaustâ„¢ 'museum'!" and all the rest of the bullsh*t.

People do not THINK and even if they did think they still don't want the Truth. They prefer what is familiar, what is safe. Publicly stating that Hitler ever did even a single good deed can destroy one's career and life. That alone should be sufficient to tell the rational man that Hitler is obscured behind a wall of lies. But because most men nowadays are not rational men, one cannot walk with them towards an understanding of the Truth.

[Phoenix]

For the individual's Liberty the differences were 0.


In the Third Reich, an individual's freedom to work towards his God-ordained purpose in life was higher than it's been for nearly 200 years.

The "freedom" you talk about is what has led to the slide of civilization into the abyss.

I don't want the "freedom" to rape people of their money, I don't want the "freedom" to read perverse books, I don't want the "freedom" to engage in abominable "relationships." I want to be able to raise my family affordably provided I make an honest effort, I want to be able to know that my children will have a future in a vibrant culture, I want to be able to appreciate the beauty of God's universe in every field of the intellect & heart.

The choice was never "freedom" v. "non-freedom," but a pro-God, pro-human political system v. an anti-God, anti-human political system. In other words, National Socialism and similar paradigms (such as that of the Arrow Cross in Hungary) v. Jewish Capitalism & Jewish Communism. A return to a theoretical Jeffersonian society shall forever remain theoretical, since that system only works in the racially, ethnically, religiously, culturally homogeneous society, free of direct threats, Thomas Jefferson lived in.

[Fortyone]

Agree or not,The NS form of government is NECESSARY to bring a nation back from the depths, as it purges the filth from the system.It instills Patriotism and a desire for the common good of the future.

[Joe King]

For the individuals Liberty the differences were 0.
The "freedom" you talk about is what has led to the slide of civilization into the abyss.
I don't want the "freedom" to rape people of their money, I don't want the "freedom" to read perverse books, I don't want the "freedom" to engage in abominable "relationships."Then you apparently don't have any real desire for freedom at all, because to have actual freedom one accepts that sometimes bad things can happen.
i.e. to be able to have your own Free Will, you have to allow others the same.

Or are you attempting to negate God by attempting to build your own interpretation of Gods World, now?
Thereby voiding the need for the plan at all?
I mean, if we can impose it now, what do we need Him for, right? ::)

Doesn't all that bad stuff kinda have to happen for what you read in your Bible to actually play out in the end?
Or does human arrogance always triumph?



I want to be able to raise my family affordably provided I make an honest effort, I want to be able to know that my children will have a future in a vibrant culture, I want to be able to appreciate the beauty of God's universe in every field of the intellect & heart.
There's not a single person I've ever known who doesn't want that.


The choice was never "freedom" v. "non-freedom," but a pro-God, pro-human political system v. an anti-God, anti-human political system. In other words, National Socialism and similar paradigms (such as that of the Arrow Cross in Hungary) v. Jewish Capitalism & Jewish Communism. A return to a theoretical Jeffersonian society shall forever remain theoretical, since that system only works in the racially, ethnically, religiously, culturally homogeneous society, free of direct threats, Thomas Jefferson lived in.
This is all your opinion. Yet you want to use the force of gov to impose it upon everyone.
"It is discouraging that most people accept using the government to force their way on others and see government as a proper moral guide." (http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory115.html)



As far as Hitler goes, I said it before and I'll say it again.
It's an absolute fact that his main problem was going outside Germany's borders.
Plain and simple.
If he hadn't done that, Hitler might have lived to a ripe old age.
But he chose instead to steal from his neighbors, and tens of millions of people died as a result.

Which ultimately means that Hitler was a fag. :)

[iOWNme]

National Socialism sucks. It is a disease that will erode ANY country. For NS cannot be sustained at a given rate. It must either slide further, into Communism, or tip back into a Democracy. It cannot be sustained. Just like a Democracy cannot be sustained, it MUST slide into Socialism, or go back to a Republic.

For Hitler to be anti-Marxist is laughable, and pure propaganda. Both use Central Banks, a graduated personal income tax, abolishing private property, and State owned or controlled communications, transportation and education. For the individual's Liberty the differences were 0.




Do you have examples of NS "sliding" deeper into communism or tipping back into democracy?


All Major Empires from Rome to the US have started as a Republic, slid into a Democracy, and ended up in Socialism/Communism. With the masses feeding from the State who robs from the proletariat's until there is nothing left to rob. Chaos and anarchy ensue and the Government will be forced to step in and use Martial Law and make peace at the barrel of a gun.



I'm assuming based on the 2nd paragraph that you haven't read Mein Kampf the entire book condemns marxism and it's grip over Germany. So let's address some of your statements.

1. While Nazi Germany did have a Central Bank it wasn't privately owned by Jews but rather a national bank like our founding fathers intended.

Did the 'free people' of Germany get to use freemarket principles in determining the interest rate, and circulation of currency of this bank? No, Hitler did.



2. As for taxes in 1941 the top German tax rate was less than 14% meanwhile in the land of the free our tax rate was 81% and 24% in the UK. So on that note it seems like the National Socialists, weren't.

If the taxes are taken from the individual for the good of the collective, then they are not free. If a man cannot choose how to dispose of his property as he sees fit, he is a slave to who can.



3. As for private property I have seen no evidence that they even had property taxes and while they did take over businesses formerly controlled by marxists and their labor unions I have also seen no evidence that they took over anything else.

“I absolutely insist on protecting private property ... we must encourage private initiative” Adolf Hitler 1942

In a full NS State, all property is own or controlled by the State. Cars, homes, children and most of all..... YOUR LABOR. Hitler was protecting the private property of Germans from Jews, but not from himself. he would/could seize anything he wanted. And did.

He ALWAYS called on the 'German workers' to unite together for the greater good of Germany. Sounds an awful lot like Marx to me. Maybe because they were backed/funded by the same entities?


4. I have not seen evidence to prove that they did control communications, roads, or education. I would assume they did in some level since they created the autobahn which was the most advanced and best system of roads the world has ever known.

Any control whatsoever over the free travel, makes man a slave to the State, and stops him from exercising his divine right to self determination. When the State controls the educational system, what comes out of the schools are exactly what the State wants. Obedient slaves who will submit their moral values to the will of the State.


I think that since the word "socialism" is used in NS automatically people associate it with say fabian socialists, communism or some other authoritarian form of government. Yet I ask you what other country exploded using any metric you choose in such a short amount of time. Germany went from being raped at Versailles to a Superpower with the world fighting it at every step in just a decade.

I agree. But how many Germans went along to get along? Lincoln also tried to preserve the Union through ruthless and barbaric means, but his end justified his means.


We all know that government intervention doesn't work, not just that it doesn't compete with the free market but it doesn't work at all, save the AK NOTHING good came out of 100 years of jewish controlled soviet russia, yet Germany turned out some of the finest products of it's time, rockets, jets, roads, the US nor Soviet space programs would amount to a dung hill had it not been from the German scientists working post WWII.

So we have something that is fact which is "centrally planned economies don't work" yet we have undeniable proof that Nazi Germany was one of the most successful countries on the planet during it's short life. So I argue the only thing "socialist" about German National Socialism is the name.


Im not Anti-Hitler. I am anti- Big Government. I can see right through Hitlers facade. it is a ruse, a lie. The only free form of Government man can have is a Competitive Capitalistic Republic. ANY other form of Government is slavery, pirating and theft. There just cant be any others....

Hitler LOVED Monopolies on industries. That alone is enough for me to see him for what he was....A control freak. Not much different than the Jews he was trying to break away from, more control freaks.

[iOWNme]

In the Third Reich, an individual's freedom to work towards his God-ordained purpose in life was higher than it's been for nearly 200 years.

As long as the individual worked for GERMAN goals, he was free as a bird!


The "freedom" you talk about is what has led to the slide of civilization into the abyss.

You know absolutely NOTHING about free market competitive capitalism in a Republic. You show it every time you try and demonize freedom and Capitalism.


I don't want the "freedom" to rape people of their money, I don't want the "freedom" to read perverse books, I don't want the "freedom" to engage in abominable "relationships." I want to be able to raise my family affordably provided I make an honest effort, I want to be able to know that my children will have a future in a vibrant culture, I want to be able to appreciate the beauty of God's universe in every field of the intellect & heart.

The freedom to rape people for their money comes from GOVERNMENT MONOPOLY, not free market comptetitive capitalism. They have monopolized the freaking MONEY!!!! We are living in Communism.


The choice was never "freedom" v. "non-freedom," but a pro-God, pro-human political system v. an anti-God, anti-human political system. In other words, National Socialism and similar paradigms (such as that of the Arrow Cross in Hungary) v. Jewish Capitalism & Jewish Communism. A return to a theoretical Jeffersonian society shall forever remain theoretical, since that system only works in the racially, ethnically, religiously, culturally homogeneous society, free of direct threats, Thomas Jefferson lived in.


TRUE freedom for the individual is the right to private property and self determination. 2 things that Hitler would only allow if they were for the greater good of the German people.

Race is a tool for dividing. EDUCATION is what matters. If the goal of America was to actually keep a free market, competitive capitalistic Republic, then the schools would be indocturnating them with THAT, and not Lefty/Socialist/Marxist ideologies. Once America stopped educating the youth as to what this country was about and REAL history we were finished as a society.

[DMac]

I think that since the word "socialism" is used in NS automatically people associate it with say fabian socialists, communism or some other authoritarian form of government. Yet I ask you what other country exploded using any metric you choose in such a short amount of time. Germany went from being raped at Versailles to a Superpower with the world fighting it at every step in just a decade.

We all know that government intervention doesn't work, not just that it doesn't compete with the free market but it doesn't work at all, save the AK NOTHING good came out of 100 years of jewish controlled soviet russia, yet Germany turned out some of the finest products of it's time, rockets, jets, roads, the US nor Soviet space programs would amount to a dung hill had it not been from the German scientists working post WWII.

So we have something that is fact which is "centrally planned economies don't work" yet we have undeniable proof that Nazi Germany was one of the most successful countries on the planet during it's short life. So I argue the only thing "socialist" about German National Socialism is the name.




I couldn't disagree with you more on the part I emphasized. WW1 and WW2 were 1 drawn out war, IMO. All engineered by those evil worshiping bastards. The European Civil war.

Germany was crippled on purpose, post ww1, to be brought back into fighting shape and finally annihilated.

Germany did not have the drilling capability to provide the oil it needed to fuel its war machine. It did not have the rubber for its tires. It did not have enough munitions factories to build all its own bombs.

This stuff was sold to them by their "enemies".

Germany did not annihilate the English leadership. Nor did they succeed in the destruction of France.

Why were all those rich Jewish family homes (Rothschild, Warburg, Kuhn, Loeb Company to name a few) - their banking houses and family homes were left alone across all nations?

He might have got wise that he was being played after major combat operations were underway, I'll give him that, but these gems from the video in the OP:

"You must submit to the overwhelming need to obey"
"Commit yourself to the socialist state"
f*ck you Hitler!


"We don't have the opportunities of international world connections..." - Oh, that's rich. It should read, "Thank you IG Farben, Standard Oil, IBM, DuPont, DOW Chemical, Brown Brothers Harriman & Co. Thanks also to General Motors, Ford and Chrysler for build our tank factories. Without you, Poland horse riders may have stood a chance!"

NordicBerserker,

You post intelligent commentary. I cannot for the life of me understand why some of you support Hitler like you do!

[Saul Mine]

You post intelligent commentary. I cannot for the life of me understand why some of you support Hitler like you do!

The fact that the whole world reviles him is very suspicious. There is a well respected principal that when "everybody" knows something it's a good sign that "everybody" is full of baloney. Some truth is starting to emerge, suggesting that the holocaust was largely imaginary. In a couple more generations we might see some evidence uncovered that Hitler was not nearly as bad as current historians want you to think.

[Neuro]

I think Saul Mine has a good point. The whole world does indeed hate Hitler, and that in itself is suspicious... There are many authoritarian believers (of which I am not one), who might as well admire Hitler instead of Lenin, FDR, Churchill, Castro, Mao, De Gaulle, Alexander the great, Napoleon, Emperor Augustus, etc... Hitler was probably somewhere in the middle of this bunch of authoritarian leaders in terms of badness and evil.

However the authoritarian leaders are behind the curtain of democracy after winning wwII and they feel the need to universally demonize Hitler! Why? Because anything they do against us pales in comparison to what the myth of Hitler supposedly did!

[DMac]

I don't disagree that Churchill/Roosevelt et al did their part in corrupting their countrymen. Stalin was probably the worst of all of them.

No matter how you slice it Hitler was an authoritarian socialist leader. He did not help his people.

[Grand Master Melon]

Oh get real, I'll even put aside the holocaust, the dude was a douchebag plain and simple.

From his stupid stache to his invasion of other countries everything he did was just douchey.

You can argue semantics all day long about the NS system but the fact is that Hitler was a douche.

[Grand Master Melon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqc8TD2ynzo

[Phoenix]

You know absolutely NOTHING about free market competitive capitalism in a Republic. You show it every time you try and demonize freedom and Capitalism.


Please - just shut up with the theoretical, NEVER-EXISTING fantasy capitalism you believe ever had a connection with the real world. You have apparently never WORKED for a living, if you believe this bullshit.

It "works great" on paper, but has never worked that way in real life, and can never work that way in real life. An economy always tends towards monopoly, and only intervention can prevent monopoly.




The freedom to rape people for their money comes from GOVERNMENT MONOPOLY, not free market comptetitive capitalism.


How in FU*K do you think the government monopoly came about? CAPITALISM! Capitalists simply purchased the government, to structure things that make them the most profit.




TRUE freedom for the individual is the right to private property and self determination.


True freedom is the right to follow the Truth. Private property must be a means to that end, not an end in itself. Private property as an end in itself is not Germanic (Anglo-Saxon), but a Jewish/Talmudic concept.




2 things that Hitler would only allow if they were for the greater good of the German people.


EXCELLENT! An individual is a part of a whole, and without the whole, the individual doesn't exist for long. God put us in families, communities, and Nations, not as atomized individuals working only for our own gain, usually against everyone else.




Race is a tool for dividing.


Race was invented by God, and by denying race or working against racial separation, you work against God.




EDUCATION is what matters. If the goal of America was to actually keep a free market, competitive capitalistic Republic, then the schools would be indocturnating them with THAT, and not Lefty/Socialist/Marxist ideologies.


Typical Capitalist "thinking"! It's funny you spew about "freedom," and then advocate INDOCTRINATION! No, schools should teach HOW to think, not "what" to think.




Once America stopped educating the youth as to what this country was about and REAL history we were finished as a society.


Public skools were advanced in the 20th century since Capitalists needed trained sheeple to comply with their orders. Education collapsed as skools increased.

[Phoenix]

Did the 'free people' of Germany get to use freemarket principles in determining the interest rate, and circulation of currency of this bank?


YES! Under the Weimar Republik...and your vaunted "free market principles" resulted in ABSOLUTE DESTITUTION for the German people. Your "free market" bullshit is what led millions to elect Hitler's NSDAP to power.




If the taxes are taken from the individual for the good of the collective, then they are not free. If a man cannot choose how to dispose of his property as he sees fit, he is a slave to who can.


You are living in fantasy land, not the real world. NAME ONE government that doesn't collect taxes. Was Jefferson a "socialist" because he collected taxes?




In a full NS State, all property is own or controlled by the State.


Absolute crap. Prove otherwise. Stop confusing Jewish Marxism with German National Socialism.



Obedient slaves who will submit their moral values to the will of the State.


"Slaves" are not allowed firearms, as they were under Hitler. Contrary to Jewish LIES, Hitler's government reduced gun control restrictions, not increased them. Long-arms had virtually no restrictions (no spotlights, similar trivial restrictions only).




The only free form of Government man can have is a Competitive Capitalistic Republic. ANY other form of Government is slavery, pirating and theft.


WHEN has one of these alleged "competitive capitalist Republics" existed?

[Phoenix]

You post intelligent commentary. I cannot for the life of me understand why some of you support Hitler like you do!


Because you are unable to let go of the caricature of a man put out by the Jewsmedia that has nothing to do with the living, breathing man Adolf Hitler.

[Phoenix]

You post intelligent commentary. I cannot for the life of me understand why some of you support Hitler like you do!

The fact that the whole world reviles him is very suspicious. There is a well respected principal that when "everybody" knows something it's a good sign that "everybody" is full of baloney. Some truth is starting to emerge, suggesting that the holocaust was largely imaginary. In a couple more generations we might see some evidence uncovered that Hitler was not nearly as bad as current historians want you to think.


You can buy and sell anything related to Stalin on eBay. Try the same with Hitler. Do anything public in support of Stalin, and people will laugh, some might even shake your hand. Do the same with Hitler, and you'll get shot at.

No one denies Stalin killed more people than Hitler was alleged to have. I guess the object of the "oppression" (Jews) is what matters.

[DMac]

You post intelligent commentary. I cannot for the life of me understand why some of you support Hitler like you do!


Because you are unable to let go of the caricature of a man put out by the Jewsmedia that has nothing to do with the living, breathing man Adolf Hitler.


Bullshit!

I read you speak of Hitler as if he were to be revered! Talk about blinders.

[Grand Master Melon]

Did the 'free people' of Germany get to use freemarket principles in determining the interest rate, and circulation of currency of this bank?


YES! Under the Weimar Republik...and your vaunted "free market principles" resulted in ABSOLUTE DESTITUTION for the German people. Your "free market" bullsh*t is what led millions to elect Hitler's NSDAP to power.



The only free form of Government man can have is a Competitive Capitalistic Republic. ANY other form of Government is slavery, pirating and theft.


WHEN has one of these alleged "competitive capitalist Republics" existed?

[Phoenix]

You post intelligent commentary. I cannot for the life of me understand why some of you support Hitler like you do!


Because you are unable to let go of the caricature of a man put out by the Jewsmedia that has nothing to do with the living, breathing man Adolf Hitler.


Bullsh*t!

I read you speak of Hitler as if he were to be revered! Talk about blinders.


My original quote is FACT. You believe what the Jewsmedia and skools have told you.

[DMac]

So you know what I think better than I do now?

Edit - since I use facts, you resort to ad hominem. Great debate tactic.

[Phoenix]

So you know what I think better than I do now?




So, where did you learn about Hitler and National Socialism?

[DMac]

From the Talmudvision of course

/sarcasm

You are not worth the effort. Enjoy your idol worship of Hitler.

[Phoenix]

From the Talmudvision of course

/sarcasm

You are not worth the effort. Enjoy your idol worship of Hitler.


Hardly sarcasm. I do not "worship" Hitler - again, another meme from the Jewsmedia.

"You are not worth the effort" = "I do not have any facts to challenge his assertion."

[DMac]

"You are not worth the effort" = "I do not have any facts to challenge his assertion."

No, it really means you are not worth the effort. Anyone disagreeing with you is accused of being a Zionist or shill. You have absolutely no tact or eloquence in your writing as you attack anyone with a different viewpoint.

Hubris & humility. Which one do you think you more closely associate, Phoenix?

That's a rhetorical question.

[LuckyStrike]

NordicBerserker,

You post intelligent commentary. I cannot for the life of me understand why some of you support Hitler like you do!






I appreciate the compliment and the feeling is mutual.

I was bummed (not surprised) to come back and have seen this thread degenerate rather quickly.

Hopefully I can answer your last question.

I grew up like everyone else being indoctrinated at government run marxist training centers and hearing how the Third Reich was the most evil thing on planet earth and how the verdict was unanimous that Hitler killed jews and gimps for kicks and that he was a drug addicted madman who due to the sheer evil of the average Germans heart let him take control.

This view was parroted in one degree or another throughout every talking head out there. Every movie, book, TV show, news anchor etc will at some point while on the topic of something evil insert "Hitler" or "Nazism" in there. You have on the left people who claim that people on the right are Nazi's, or the people on the right claiming the left is Nazi's and everyone just accepts that Nazi is synonymous with pure evil.

Due to my genetics I guess I have always had a very rebellious nature of which in most respects I am quite thankful for. Due to this though I was compelled to read David Duke's My Awakening when I was a young teen, as well as Mein Kampf. If for no other reason than because "they" didn't want me to. They don't want you to question authority or the status quo. Something for better or worse I had no problem doing.

When the internet came along and started to get big I read many articles, scientific studies etc on various topics such as race, NS, The War For Southern Independence etc. It was only then that I realized that there was a sizable minority who had differing viewpoints than what I had been taught.

Throughout my time on the internet and mainly due to various forums such as Stormfront and GIM I was forced to research topics in order to discuss them intelligently, and assert my views in a way that hopefully conveyed my thought processes. As I'm sure you know people challenge what they are told online, if you go on a forum and make a claim 9 times out of 10 you will have someone challenge it and you must be prepared to defend it.

So to your question as to why I defend Hitler.

After literally years of brainwashing I decided to shut out EVERYTHING, I had ever heard seen or read about Hitler and the Third Reich. I found so many blatant lies about the subject that I found it prudent to discard everything mainstream as a source and start fresh.

I studied the subject as if I had no clue who Hitler even was.

So the short answer is based on the independent study I have done, those are the conclusions that I reached. The book isn't closed by any stretch on that subject for me and I am very open to discussing other factual evidence.

I would also like to clarify that I do necessarily advocate a move to NS, my political philosophy in one line is "I don't want to control anyone nor do I want anyone controlling me" My points made in the previous post (especially regarding WWII era income tax) was that I contend that the US and UK were far more authoritarian and "socialist" (in the worst sense) than was the Third Reich.

[Joe King]

Bottom line is, he still went outside his borders to steal from his neighbors.

It was his own actions that led to war being waged against the German people.

Most of which had the same problem as almost every other People of the World.
Too many were zombies who didn't understand how they got screwed when their economy crashed and were willing to listen to the first idiot who came along and told them what they wanted to hear.

A very similar scenario is in danger of playing-out right here in America if more people don't start getting a clue as to exactly what is at stake.

[Phoenix]

"You are not worth the effort" = "I do not have any facts to challenge his assertion."

No, it really means you are not worth the effort. Anyone disagreeing with you is accused of being a Zionist or shill.


I accuse you of being neither. I accuse you of being a fool who can't see anything beyond what is comfortable, and have no desire to change that benightment. You believe the same garbage that the Jewsmedia have spewed for 80 years. You even deny it is so. I presume your "sources" are William L. Shirer, Ian Kershaw, and the like. Have you ever even attempted to read Mein Kampf? (with an open mind) Your perception of Hitler is that of a cartoon character, Gargamel or Marvin the Martian or both put together, along with elements from the Joker. You have never made any attempt to understand the man, his thoughts, why he thought them, why he felt as he did, why he did what he did (really did what he did, not some crap about what he supposedly did), never attempted to place yourself in his position to empathize. Nothing is more dangerous than to attempt to truly understand Hitler, since everyone comes away with a different perspective than they started with, often not as an admirer, but as one who is willing to point out the man was hardly "pure evil" or "insanity. Refusing to tackle the most forbidden topic in the last 1000 years is purely cowardice, especially since tools to protect one's identity are available. The man who loves Truth always breeches what is most verboten.




You have absolutely no tact or eloquence in your writing as you attack anyone with a different viewpoint.


I respect no opinions that regard non-fact as fact.




Hubris & humility. Which one do you think you more closely associate, Phoenix?


Seeker of Truth.




That's a rhetorical question.


Like I wouldn't address it. ;D

[Phoenix]

Bottom line is, he still went outside his borders to steal from his neighbors.

It was his own actions that led to war being waged against the German people.


Polly wanna cracker?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

This might be the first time in my life I could read, in sub-titles, what Hitler was actually saying in those speeches he is so often mocked for. Look at the light in the people's eyes watching and listening to him, the Hitler Youth raptly listening. Try and imagine children today being that interested in anything one of our politicians might say. He was a war leader cut out of the classical (heroic) mode. Won't be another like him anytime soon.

[Joe King]

Bottom line is, he still went outside his borders to steal from his neighbors.

It was his own actions that led to war being waged against the German people.


Polly wanna cracker?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming

Your bias in favor of Hitler has stolen your objectivity.

He went outside his Nations borders, he got stomped.
i.e. he coulda saved time and millions of lives by getting in a plane and fire bombing Dresden himself.

Why can you not understand that had he stayed within his borders he'd have been just fine?
i.e. no one waged war on Germany until he invaded other Nations.

Is it ok to steal from your neighbor?
With all your Bible talk, and desire to Judge those different from yourself, why not Judge Hitler by the same measure?
One of which is the 8th Commandment. Or do things like that not apply if it helps further that which you support? ::)

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

Bottom line is, he still went outside his borders to steal from his neighbors.

It was his own actions that led to war being waged against the German people.


Polly wanna cracker?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming

Why can you not understand that had he stayed within his borders he'd have been just fine?
i.e. no one waged war on Germany until he invaded other Nations.

Is it ok to steal from your neighbor?



There is no way of saying what would have happened had Hitler stayed within his borders. He may very well have been attacked. It is easy to sit back today and say what Germany should have done in response to soviet communism, which was agitating very hard for a soviet style revolution in Germany itself, where the entire ruling class would have been murdered, as was currently happening in Russia. Hopefully you know that Poland was no innocent lamb itself. Many German demands were legitimate grievances with roots in the Treaty of Versailles.

[Book]

Bottom line is, he still went outside his borders to steal from his neighbors.



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http://www.leedspsc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/israel-palestine-map.jpg

[Phoenix]

Your bias in favor of Hitler has stolen your objectivity.


Of course, my objectivity in giving Hitler a fair assessment in the beginning couldn't possibly have demonstrated to me that I should have a bias in favor of Hitler. ::)




He went outside his Nations borders, he got stomped.


WHO drew those lines? The people in the Sudetenland and Austria and East Prussia didn't have a vote. Hitler gave them one.




i.e. he coulda saved time and millions of lives by getting in a plane and fire bombing Dresden himself.


You mock the mass incineration of children, women, and men. Shows your "character."




Why can you not understand that had he stayed within his borders he'd have been just fine?


Why can you not understand that Hitler's "crime" was telling the International Jewish banksters to go fu*k themselves? He could have conquered half of Europe without intervention, provided he bowed down to Rothschild.

The Jewish USSR invaded Poland, and nothing happened to them, except support from the "Allies."

[Phoenix]

Bottom line is, he still went outside his borders to steal from his neighbors.



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http://www.leedspsc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/israel-palestine-map.jpg


The self-chosen Master Race can do whatever it wants. Goyim, however, must be smitten down.

[Grand Master Melon]

I was bummed (not surprised) to come back and have seen this thread degenerate rather quickly.



No kidding, that first post really killed this whole thread.

[Grand Master Melon]

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http://www.leedspsc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/israel-palestine-map.jpg


Funny how both groups of douchebags go around stealing land but yet one is being held up as being something better than the other. :oo-->

[Fortyone]

I was bummed (not surprised) to come back and have seen this thread degenerate rather quickly.



No kidding, that first post really killed this whole thread.


Why are you reading it then?

[Fortyone]

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http://www.leedspsc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/israel-palestine-map.jpg


Funny how both groups of douchebags go around stealing land but yet one is being held up as being something better than the other. :oo-->


History 101, there was no peace between the end of WWI and 1939. Poland attacked Germany FOUR times, (although they call them "uprisings") between the wars. Poland also was attacked by the USSR in 1919,.If Poland would have been crushed, Germany would have surely been invaded, as this was the time period Lenin was preaching worldwide "Revolution". Then came Stalin to power, Pushing the Soviet ideals to the limit, forced collectivization, Invasions of Manchuria and Mongolia, threats to the Baltic nations,and a never ending appetite for power. Hitler saw, that the Poles, if coerced by the Soviets, along with many of the other Slavic countries, could overwhelm Western Europe.Hitler also recognized the Jews as the authors of Communism.Soviet, is not a Russian term, It is a German term, the "Sailors Soviet" was the first to abandon their posts and cause Germany to collapse from within at the end of WWI.Hitler knew far too well what these Jews were up to.the annexation of Austria and the Sudetenland were natural unions, Although I do sometimes doubt their validity,as most Austrians did want to be independent. The strike in the Balkans against Jugoslavia was to remove the USSR's prime ally in the region as a threat, and remove any possible southern fronts. end of 101

The strike against Greece was to bail out his not so well planing ally Mussolini who was getting his ass handed to him. and to possibly cultivate the Turks.This is one of the things that I hold against Hitler,He sacrificed far too many good European Christians to the Mufti's bloodthirsty militias to woo Turkey.I believe if he would have cultivated national Socialism amongst the Hungarians, Serbs and Romanians, as equals,and really instilled the pride instead of token SS units,with actual national armies unified against communism, he would have had honest staunch allies.Instead, the war was lost and the Red army got what Stalin wanted all along,and 10s of millions were subjected to Zionist communism for 50+ years.

[LuckyStrike]

Your bias in favor of Hitler has stolen your objectivity.



Why can you not understand that had he stayed within his borders he'd have been just fine?
i.e. no one waged war on Germany until he invaded other Nations.


Honestly man you have no clue.

They declared war on Germany in 1933

http://johndenugent.com/jdn/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/judea_declares_war_on_germany.jpg

[Grand Master Melon]

I was bummed (not surprised) to come back and have seen this thread degenerate rather quickly.



No kidding, that first post really killed this whole thread.


Why are you reading it then?


I'm a sucker for a train wreck.

[Fortyone]

I was bummed (not surprised) to come back and have seen this thread degenerate rather quickly.



No kidding, that first post really killed this whole thread.


Why are you reading it then?


I'm a sucker for a train wreck.


Why dont you tell us why we are idiots? Seriously, we post facts,quotes and even old newspaper clippings, and are told we are wrong,have anything to contradict it with?

[skid]

Bottom line is, he still went outside his borders to steal from his neighbors.



Every country in the world has done this. Talk about blinders! Almost all the european countries had colonies (with England being the greatest thief of them all, as you put it, with countless atrocities in China, India, Africa, Australia, and North America), the country you live in was stolen from the indians (ready to move back to europe or are you just anti german?).

Might has always made right in the history of human kind. For the most part (until they invaded Russia who were preparing to attack them anyways) Germany was reclaiming former parts of itself.

[Fortyone]

Not so much reclaiming, as finishing what Bismarck started. Some lands Germany had no historical right to,but as I mentioned in earlier posts, Hitler thought were a threat to security.

[Joe King]

Bottom line is, he still went outside his borders to steal from his neighbors.



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http://www.leedspsc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/israel-palestine-map.jpg


Two wrongs don't make a right.

In my book, same applies to Israel as any other Nation.
Every gov needs stay within their own borders.

So what's the next excuse for Hitler going to be?

[Joe King]

Bottom line is, he still went outside his borders to steal from his neighbors.

It was his own actions that led to war being waged against the German people.


Polly wanna cracker?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming

Why can you not understand that had he stayed within his borders he'd have been just fine?
i.e. no one waged war on Germany until he invaded other Nations.

Is it ok to steal from your neighbor?



There is no way of saying what would have happened had Hitler stayed within his borders. He may very well have been attacked. It is easy to sit back today and say what Germany should have done in response to soviet communism, which was agitating very hard for a soviet style revolution in Germany itself, where the entire ruling class would have been murdered, as was currently happening in Russia. Hopefully you know that Poland was no innocent lamb itself. Many German demands were legitimate grievances with roots in the Treaty of Versailles.


All we can do is look at what Hitlers actions resulted in and the re-action of others to those actions.


If he had waited, it's possible Germany could have been attacked and therefore been a victim of war. But that's just a hypothetical that we'll never know because Hitler chose aggression first.

Which casts all Nations who fought Germany as being on the defensive.
i.e. in the Right to do whatever they had to do to repel German forces.

[Book]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

In my book, same applies to Israel as any other Nation...

...So what's the next excuse for Hitler going to be ?



Anybody notice how jews still talk about Hitler after sixty-five years to distract us goyim from the current real Holocaust (http://gazaholocaust.com/) happening today in 2010 ?

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[LuckyStrike]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

In my book, same applies to Israel as any other Nation...

...So what's the next excuse for Hitler going to be ?



Anybody notice how jews still talk about Hitler after sixty-five years to distract us goyim from the current real Holocaust (http://gazaholocaust.com/) happening today in 2010 ?

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Or the extermination of 100 million people at the hands of jewish marxism in the last 100 years. There are no museums for those people.

Like the Polish proverb says "the jew strikes you, then he cries out in pain"

[Heimdhal]

Id like to ask those who have studied National Socialism and the general governance of men more so than myself a question. Well, really I guess the question is open to everyone, communist, socialist, capitalist, anarchist, etc.....

So, to everyone:


What, by your personal belief and definition, is/are the governments (any government) job(s)?

[LuckyStrike]

What, by your personal belief and definition, is/are the governments (any government) job(s)?


I can't take credit for it but I think governments exist solely to secure our God given rights end of story.

[Heimdhal]

What, by your personal belief and definition, is/are the governments (any government) job(s)?


I can't take credit for it but I think governments exist solely to secure our God given rights end of story.


Ah thats ok, it doesnt have to be an ORIGINAL philosophy.

I feel the same way.

So, by which methods should governments protect the god riven rights of the people?

[Joe King]

Your bias in favor of Hitler has stolen your objectivity.


Of course, my objectivity in giving Hitler a fair assessment in the beginning couldn't possibly have demonstrated to me that I should have a bias in favor of Hitler. ::) Apparently you favor a theif then.






He went outside his Nations borders, he got stomped.


WHO drew those lines? The people in the Sudetenland and Austria and East Prussia didn't have a vote. Hitler gave them one. Did those people really ask him to do that for them? When was the vote?
What about those of any of the other Nations he invaded?






i.e. he coulda saved time and millions of lives by getting in a plane and fire bombing Dresden himself.


You mock the mass incineration of children, women, and men. Shows your "character."No, I'm simply laying the blame where it belongs. Which is at his feet.
The only real way to wage a war against aggression is to fight back in such a way as to cause the people of the enemy to not want to fight anymore.
Think of it as fighting a war in the Biblical sense of 1 Samuel 15:18
i.e. make war on them until you have wiped them out.







Why can you not understand that had he stayed within his borders he'd have been just fine?


Why can you not understand that Hitler's "crime" was telling the International Jewish banksters to go fu*k themselves? He could have conquered half of Europe without intervention, provided he bowed down to Rothschild.

The Jewish USSR invaded Poland, and nothing happened to them, except support from the "Allies."
I support his having told the bankers off.
However, it was Hitler himself who chose to wage war against his neighbors. The bankers didn't make him do that.
I don't support what Stalin did either. His invasion of Poland was also an act of aggression worthy of being bombed back to the stone age for.

Two wrongs do not make a Right.

[LuckyStrike]

I feel the same way.

So, by which methods should governments protect the god riven rights of the people?


That to me doesn't matter. If the ONLY thing a government does is protect your rights it will invariably be quite small. Only big enough to protect and no bigger.

The closest thing I know of is the Articles of Confederation.

[DMac]

Have any of you read The Gulag Archipelago?

[LuckyStrike]

Have any of you read The Gulag Archipelago?



I haven't.

[Phoenix]

Have any of you read The Gulag Archipelago?



Every word of it, no. But enough of it...


“At what exact point, then, should one resist? When one’s belt is taken away? When one is ordered to face into a corner? When one crosses the threshold of one’s home?...”

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?...The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst; the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"

-- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago, 1918-1956, p. 13 and footnote 5.

[RJB]

From reply #29


I would also like to clarify that I do necessarily advocate a move to NS, my political philosophy in one line is "I don't want to control anyone nor do I want anyone controlling me" My points made in the previous post (especially regarding WWII era income tax) was that I contend that the US and UK were far more authoritarian and "socialist" (in the worst sense) than was the Third Reich.
This is about the point where I'm at. I'm suspicious of anyone who wants control. Lately, most of my suspicioun is directed at our own current PTB.

Aside from the debate about how much of the holocaust was a hoax. The biggest complaint I have against Hitler was the utter incompetence of the Russian invasion after the brilliance of the beginning of the blitzkreig (which I'm not convinced that he needed to invade), but Like Jesus' warning about pointing out the speck in someone else's eye while ignoring the plank in your own. The U.S. government (and people) love pointing at specks in others. We condemn every other nation for every real or imagined indeceny, present or long past, to the point of invading over half the world. We have troops in 137 nations and probably soon in Iran-- Hitler never went that far.

How much MSM material on Hitler is real or made up, I really don't know, but even looking at the sugar coated version of recent events, our current "2 partied" government has no room to talk.

Overall, I enjoyed your explaination, NB.

[RJB]

Together post #29 and this one sum up my feelings.



He might have got wise that he was being played after major combat operations were underway, I'll give him that, but these gems from the video in the OP:

"You must submit to the overwhelming need to obey"
"Commit yourself to the socialist state"
f*ck you Hitler!

"We don't have the opportunities of international world connections..." - Oh, that's rich. It should read, "Thank you IG Farben, Standard Oil, IBM, DuPont, DOW Chemical, Brown Brothers Harriman & Co. Thanks also to General Motors, Ford and Chrysler for build our tank factories. Without you, Poland horse riders may have stood a chance!"