Breaking the Sheeple Barrier

[Ragnarok]

"Sheeple can change. I have seen it with my own eyes on numerous occasions. If the sheeple you are dealing with at any given moment is a stranger, or mere acquaintance, you may not feel that it is worth the immense effort necessary to enlighten them to the problems at hand. But, if said sheeple is a family member or loved one, you might have no other choice but to push forward. There is nothing worse than seeing the people you care about suffer because you were unsuccessful in warning them of impending danger."

Much more here:

http://neithercorp.us/npress/?p=287

fyi, R.

[Hermie]

Excellent article!
Should be read by all.

"Every researcher, writer, and filmmaker who tackles the New World Order issue will suffer the unfortunate experience of running into people who are almost criminally uninformed, and this will happen on a regular basis. For a long time, our frustration was magnified by our inability to specifically define what it was that made these people the way they were. Were some just mentally inadequate, and unable to effectively process the facts? Were they so indoctrinated by the MSM that there was no turning back? Was there an innate difference in intuitive faculties that made some people quick in picking out a lie, and others slow?

Many theories abound, but one thing was certain; in our quest to inform the masses, there were always going to be those who were incapable of hearing or understanding what we had to say, no matter how factual, rational, and refined our arguments. We now call these wonders of intellectual rustication “Sheeple”…

Sheeple can be found in every country, every ethnic background, every religious organization, and every subculture. After years of examination and experience, it has become much easier for the Liberty Movement to identify and categorize the various forms of sheeple, and come to terms with the triggers in the human mind that cause some to willfully ignore logic and wisdom. I have written in the past about some of these triggers, including my article “Sheeple: Why They Are The Way They Are”:"...

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

Bump.

I think I fell into the happy go lucky sheeple category for a while back. :-\

[Awoke]

Bump.

I think I fell into the happy go lucky sheeple category for a while back. :-\


I think most of us did, at one point or another.

[Twisted Titan]

Someone "convinced" against their will

Is of the same opinion still.


Just saying.


T

[Phoenix]

"Convince" them of what and for what end?

For a long time, nearly two decades, I believed with all my mind, heart, and soul that we only had to give people the Truth, and then they would rise up and make the world a much better place.

Then I grew up.

Most people don't want the Truth, most people will fight you if you tell them the Truth, and even for the minority of people who - reluctantly or otherwise - accept the Truth, what is it we are supposed to do with it, other than edify only ourselves?

[Joe King]

The time to do something with that knowledge isn't here yet, but it's approaching.


I posted most of the following in another thread in another forum, but it bears repeating here.

IMHO, it's imperative that enough people actually understand what is that's wrong with a debt-based monetary system to be able to demand a viable alternative after it crashes.

Otherwise, once it crashes from people merely trying to protect their own "money", they'll simply be led along like a sheep on a collar into the next system that benefits the few, all over again.
i.e. they'll remain ignorant of the bigger picture and just go along. Same as what happened in 1933.

IMO, the ptb have already lit the fire for the stage show and are now standing ready at the exits, waiting for the panic to ensue so that their "solution" may be implemented.
Our job is to make sure enough people understand, as that's our only hope.

Right now is an excellent time to wake some sheep, as more and more of them are confused by current events and the headlines give plenty of openings to get the discussion going if you concentrate on what can be proven in the gov's own words.

There's a critical juncture in time approaching, folks. Don't waste it.

[gunny highway]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7BuQFUhsRM

[Book]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v26/Chanib/MiscPix/sheep.jpg

I agree with Phoenix...save your breath...lol.

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[Hatha Sunahara]

"Convince" them of what and for what end?

For a long time, nearly two decades, I believed with all my mind, heart, and soul that we only had to give people the Truth, and then they would rise up and make the world a much better place.

Then I grew up.

Most people don't want the Truth, most people will fight you if you tell them the Truth, and even for the minority of people who - reluctantly or otherwise - accept the Truth, what is it we are supposed to do with it, other than edify only ourselves?



This sounds like my own personal enlightenment over the years. Only I came to a slightly different conclusion.

Most people think they ALREADY KNOW THE TRUTH, when what they believe is a pack of lies. I concluded that from doing a little introspection. About a dozen years ago, I had an epiphany that caused me to question those things that I thought were true. I started to look into all those things I knew were true, and discovered they were ideas that other people wanted me to believe because it was good for them that I believed these things. I also started looking at things I thought I knew, but didn't--like how the money system works. Once I looked at the money system, I knew that most other things were lies--ones I believed. So, now that I know they were lies, I no longer believe them.

There is the problem. If you get the truth from other people, it isn't the truth. You have to figure it out for yourself.

Hatha

[Joe King]

So no one ever introduced you to anything?

I find that just a bit hard to believe.

IMHO people do need to learn on their own, but it helps to plant a seed of interest in that learning.

It also helps to at least point them in the right direction lest they go off on a tangent and end up coming to outlandish conclusions that have no basis in fact.

[Neuro]

The fact is that most people don't question a damn thing, they go with what they have been taught and it doesn't really matter if you can prove it to them beyond reasonable doubt what they believe in is a total fabrication, they are just to damn lazy and content to believe in status quo. The small minority who are set on questioning the official story will get it sooner or later, and those are the ones you should spend your energy on. Certainly it means you have to leave a lot of your family behind. If any focus on the young ones in your family. Forget about parents and siblings, unless they are willing to listen with an open mind.

[Hatha Sunahara]

So no one ever introduced you to anything?

I find that just a bit hard to believe.

IMHO people do need to learn on their own, but it helps to plant a seed of interest in that learning.

It also helps to at least point them in the right direction lest they go off on a tangent and end up coming to outlandish conclusions that have no basis in fact.




No one ever introduced me to the 'truth'. And no one ever will. The closest anyone ever came to doing that were my parents. Nobody else. And you can expect the same yourself.

Do you have any 'gurus', Joe King?

Hatha

[Phoenix]

"Convince" them of what and for what end?

For a long time, nearly two decades, I believed with all my mind, heart, and soul that we only had to give people the Truth, and then they would rise up and make the world a much better place.

Then I grew up.

Most people don't want the Truth, most people will fight you if you tell them the Truth, and even for the minority of people who - reluctantly or otherwise - accept the Truth, what is it we are supposed to do with it, other than edify only ourselves?



This sounds like my own personal enlightenment over the years. Only I came to a slightly different conclusion.

Most people think they ALREADY KNOW THE TRUTH, when what they believe is a pack of lies. I concluded that from doing a little introspection. About a dozen years ago, I had an epiphany that caused me to question those things that I thought were true. I started to look into all those things I knew were true, and discovered they were ideas that other people wanted me to believe because it was good for them that I believed these things. I also started looking at things I thought I knew, but didn't--like how the money system works. Once I looked at the money system, I knew that most other things were lies--ones I believed. So, now that I know they were lies, I no longer believe them.

There is the problem. If you get the truth from other people, it isn't the truth. You have to figure it out for yourself.

Hatha


You are mostly correct. And the problem lies in the fact most people don't have the will to even try to figure it out.

I do disagree that truth is subjective. The Truth exists independently of people. It is, however, inarguably better to see it for yourself.

[Joe King]

So no one ever introduced you to anything?

I find that just a bit hard to believe.

IMHO people do need to learn on their own, but it helps to plant a seed of interest in that learning.

It also helps to at least point them in the right direction lest they go off on a tangent and end up coming to outlandish conclusions that have no basis in fact.




No one ever introduced me to the 'truth'. And no one ever will. The closest anyone ever came to doing that were my parents. Nobody else. And you can expect the same yourself.

Do you have any 'gurus', Joe King?

Hatha

IMHO, 99% of parents are just about the worst ones when it comes to real info about our situation. Parents are the ones who tell ya all the crap you supposedly have to do in life, but without ever being able to say why you actually gotta do it. It's always, "just because", or the old, "because that's the way it's always been" BS.

And that goes double if the parents in question were raised in the so-called "quiet generation" who look at FDR and gov in general as having "saved" the country back then.
Flushed it down the toilet is more like it.

Boomer 'rents aren't much better and it just goes downhill from there.




Personally I don't give "guru" status to anyone, but if it hadn't been for a multitude of others who didn't choose to keep everything to themselves there might not have been much to build upon.

It's like this. All you can really do is try to put things in such a way that will cause at least some people who hear it to think about something in a way they never did before.
That's all anyone did for me.

You don't have to explain everything in excruciating detail, just plant a seed.

But it's also important that you stick to what can easily be shown to be true.
i.e. as much as you may believe something, unless you could prove it reasonably well in a Court room don't bring it up to people new to all this stuff.

That means no chemtrails, no atomic detonation of WTC buildings, no stories of reptilian overlords from Nibiru, or any of the other fringe theories that float around out there.

Unless of course it is ones intention to cause others to tune it all out.

On the other hand, it seems everyone is talking about the economy these days. So why not ask simple things of people? Such as asking them what's the big deal with banks supposedly not lending? Can't we just use the money we've already got? If not, why not?

Then see where it goes. If you can answer simple questions in a reasonable way that makes sense to those still wet behind the ears, they'll be much more receptive.

But if you start off with ufo's evil aliens fringed flags fema camps and population control, you'll lose 'em right off the bat forever.

Think of it like goin' fishin'.
Have you ever caught every fish that swims by?
Nope. But some of 'em you will.

So why give up on all of them just because some of them aren't interested in what you're offering?

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

"You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it. " - Morpheus

[dysgenic]

My experience is that authoritarianism is the biggest factor in preventing people from learning the truth. I've come to believe that most people aren't hard wired to think for themselves. When the accepted authorities are all liars or believers of liars, we've got what we have now. A falling away?

dys

[Joe King]

"You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it. " - Morpheus
Also, you might want to avoid comparing reality to works of fiction.

As good of an analogy as it may be, most people won't see it that way and tune you out.


I sometimes think that a lot of people really don't want the ideas they hold to be adopted on a wide scale, as that's the only true way of actually putting their theories to the test and potentially end up being proven wrong.

It's much safer to be able to sit back and just assume that you're right, based upon your own thoughts, without chance of failure.




My experience is that authoritarianism is the biggest factor in preventing people from learning the truth. I've come to believe that most people aren't hard wired to think for themselves. When the accepted authorities are all liars or believers of liars, we've got what we have now. A falling away?

dys

Milgram's obedience experiments have the potential to help people see how the authoritarian aspect of their lives works, and without understanding how it works you'll never overcome it.



Like I said, at some point someone planted a seed in all of us. Perhaps without you even knowing it.
So why let yourself grow into a non-seed bearing gmo hybrid?

[Heimdhal]

As a Oscar Wilde put it:

Most people are other people. Their thoughts some thoughts some one elses opinion, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation



Think about it. Most people ARE other people. Their thoughts ARE some one elses opinions. This is the epitome of the "sheep". Like you all say, they THINK they know the truth, and they will fight you to the bitter end to defend their truth, because it is what some one else told them is true.

There are precious few in this world that can question what they believe to be true, regardless of what it is and how strongly they believe it. Its even true here....... ;)

[horseshoe3]

My experience is that authoritarianism is the biggest factor in preventing people from learning the truth. I've come to believe that most people aren't hard wired to think for themselves. When the accepted authorities are all liars or believers of liars, we've got what we have now. A falling away?

dys


Yes, and I think it's worse now than it ever has been since so many people are employees. They don't have to think for themselves and figure out how to survive in the marketplace. All they have to know is show up on time and agree with the boss. That attitude taints all aspects of their lives.

[Hatha Sunahara]

My parents were not authoritarians. It didn't occur to me that most people have parents who ARE authoritarians, and therefore will teach their children to believe lies.

In fact, both my mother and father told me that they couldn't tell me the 'truth' and that I would have to figure it out for myself. That, IMHO was the truth.

I agree with you Phoenix that the truth is 'absolute' and not subjective. If you find it however, you can't pass it on to others. They have to find it themselves. A Sheeple is someone who who won't even look for the truth.

Hatha

[Joe King]

My parents were not authoritarians. It didn't occur to me that most people have parents who ARE authoritarians, and therefore will teach their children to believe lies.

In fact, both my mother and father told me that they couldn't tell me the 'truth' and that I would have to figure it out for myself. That, IMHO was the truth.

I agree with you Phoenix that the truth is 'absolute' and not subjective. If you find it however, you can't pass it on to others. They have to find it themselves. A Sheeple is someone who who won't even look for the truth.

Hatha
I wasn't necessarily referring to authortitarian parents as much as I was parents who don't understand how the systems wok that they tell their kids to follow.

As an example, did your parents clearly explain to you the ponzi-scheme nature of SS?
Or did they just say you gotta do it, and here's your card we got for you?

That's the type of stuff I was talking about when I referred to 99%
i.e. knowledge of how those systems that screw you over during your life, actually work.

Liberal as well as conservative parents sell their kids out everyday.

[Hatha Sunahara]

My parents taught me the golden rule. That's all the ethics anyone needs. And that appearances are deceiving, so it is smart to learn to see through appearances.

I figured out for myself that it is a good thing to turn off the TV. There is something in the TV that sneaks by all your defenses.

Sheeple are people who watch TV and think it shows them the world they live in.

Hatha

[dysgenic]

One of the most disappointing aspects of the past several years from my perspective is that a smoking gun doesn't buy someone like me credibility. For example, I called the housing collapse years before it happened, and I told everyone I knew about it. Considering I was out on an island all by myself, wouldn't you think this prediction would make me an 'authority' on housing? Not from the perspective of sheeple. Worse is that this prediction wasn't a lucky shot, I've correctly called several 'out on an island' eventualities and it still means nothing to these people. Yet I still don't know what I'm talking about in their minds.

On a related note, I come from a Catholic family (although my immediate family wasn't Catholic, but everyone in my extended family is). During the sexual abuse scandal, none of the family left the Catholic church. I asked them, "what would have to happen for you to leave church?" I never got an answer, but it's obvious that they will never leave, no matter what happens.

People do what they are told they are supposed to do. People are told that people like me are misguided and misinformed, so people like me are misguided and misinformed. My extended family were told that the Catholic church is good, so the Catholic church is good.

Oceania is at war with Eurasia because Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.

dys

[Ragnarok]

My personal "anti-sheeple-mentality defense" philosophy:

"Don't believe. KNOW. Test all input against what you KNOW is true. Keep the good, toss the bad."

R.