Drive Carefully!

[StackerKen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC2SBX2nnUw

[silversurfer]

be aware your surroundings

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zJ-zqM_MZk

[Cebu_4_2]

Love ghostrider!

[Phoenix]

SLOW THE FU*K DOWN, PEOPLE!!


This video has kept my wife up the last couple of nights. She empathizes way too closely with people and their tragedies.

That said, I've seen way too many fatal wrecks, all of them avoidable by at least one party.

[Phoenix]

be aware your surroundings

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zJ-zqM_MZk


This is the type of reckless, stupid SOB that causes what is seen in the OP's video.

[Joe King]

It's too bad that it seems like almost everyone has to learn their lesson the hard way when it comes to endangering others with their vehicles.

The safest car would be one that has the drivers seat mounted on the front bumper.
With nothing but air around it.

Because IMHO, most of these so-called "safety features" on cars nowadays do nothing but give the driver a false sense of security and thereby allow them to justify driving even faster while paying less attention.

[Phoenix]

Because IMHO, most of these so-called "safety features" on cars nowadays do nothing but give the driver a false sense of security and thereby allow them to justify driving even faster while paying less attention.


People are reckless with many things, not just cars. Smoking in bed, shooting where they shouldn't, sloppy with food handling, failing to wash their hands after pooping, etc., etc., etc. Look at the reckless "sports" that people engage in, too.

I'm sure some, if not most, would get a "thrill" out of riding on the front bumper, and want to go even faster.

[Joe King]

Because IMHO, most of these so-called "safety features" on cars nowadays do nothing but give the driver a false sense of security and thereby allow them to justify driving even faster while paying less attention.


People are reckless with many things, not just cars. Smoking in bed, shooting where they shouldn't, sloppy with food handling, failing to wash their hands after pooping, etc., etc., etc. Look at the reckless "sports" that people engage in, too.

I'm sure some, if not most, would get a "thrill" out of riding on the front bumper, and want to go even faster.


Yea, but the first time they can't quite stop in time, the rest of us will be that much better off next time.
...and yea, I agree that people do all kinds of careless things, but operating a 2 ton vehicle while not paying attention or while relying on "safety features" to protect themselves poses an exceptionally big risk to everyone around them.

It's like that guy on the motorcycle. He's endangering everyone around him and won't learn why he shouldn't do stuff like that until it's too late.
That is if he survives.

[stillwondering]

My friend posted this on Facebook. I don't know why I had not thought to post it here. So thank you Stacker Ken for posting it. After my friend posted it, I had re-posted it.

This is a message that can not be repeated enough times. It cracks me up when we have so many who preach about all the other dangers in the world and how they want to put restrictions and regulations on things and many people do not think on just how much responsibility and damage that comes when you get behind the wheel of a car.

When I was in 5th grade, I lost my teacher to a drunk driver. The time he served was nothing for the life that was ended that day. In less than a year after I graduated high school, four of my fellow students were at a party. Three were drunk and one was sober. The sober one asked the owner of the car, who happened to be drunk, if he could drive. My friend, refused to give up his keys, stating that my other friend would wreck his car. They all piled into the car for a "beer run" for the party. They barely made it down the road, my friend, the driver lost control of the car, they slammed into a tree. Of course, the worse thing that could ever happen, all three of my friends who were the passengers, they died. My friend, the driver, he lived. He went to prison for the deaths of our friends. So not only did (and does) he have to live with what happened that night, he had to serve a prison sentence for it. I am not saying he shouldn't have had to, but he had to survive and live with this.

Our school obtained the car and had it placed on the front lawn of the school for the next few weeks so the students would have a visual reminder of what happens when you drink and drive.

I have lost a few other friends due to careless driving.

People need to remember that we are not invincible. We all have a time when we are going to die, we should not challenge how soon that time might be with careless driving.

I made my kids watch this. Both are of the age that their friends are driving them around and can get their license soon. My son was not happy with me about it. He felt like it was a lecture. I had no intention of it being a lecture, it was all about getting him to think. If you have kids that are either of driving age or their friends are driving them around, I implore you to PLEASE have your kids watch it. If you think you can, get your kid's friends to watch it. Really, anyone you can share this video with should see it.

Once again, Stacker Ken, thank you for posting this! I can not say it enough!

*Sorry for giving credit to the wrong OP.*

[Joe King]

Once again, Joe King, thank you for posting this! I can not say it enough!
Sorry, but I didn't post it. If you're referring to the video in the OP, that'd be StackerKen that deserves your thanks.

[stillwondering]

Once again, Joe King, thank you for posting this! I can not say it enough!
Sorry, but I didn't post it. If you're referring to the video in the OP, that'd be StackerKen that deserves your thanks.


Thank you for the heads-up! I corrected it. I was not completely awake. In fact, I am still not completely awake. Have a great weekend.

[Spectrism]

I love the Evanescence sound. She has a haunting and resonating effect.

[platinumdude]

I think most people in Italy drive like that. Therefore the people cross the road with very much caution. Though I wouldn't want to live there.

[RUSH.IS.A.BAND]

WOW Stackerken, That was HEAVY !! :o After watching that, I will never even think of driving reckless again! Also be alert at all times for the other traffic.

[MAGNES]

This is the type of reckless, stupid SOB that causes what is seen in the OP's video.


You cannot compare the pro on the bike to the idiots that can't
control their vehicles due to blindness, high speed, not thinking.

The rider would never drive his car like that, ever.

He is assuming nobody can see him and that everybody would
hit him, only an obstruction or slick on the road may cause his
accident and he knows it, knows the road, protects against slick
riding white lines. The video is staged too, prepped. The greatest
danger would be for some kid to copy him.

I miss my bike, just watching, get a rush.

Most bike accidents are rear ends by cars,
and getting nailed at an intersection due to
blind nippers or similar idiots. Cars don't
see you. Never heard or seen a racer cause
an accident, been around a few. Bikes don't
cause accidents in general, cars do, bikes lose.
They know it.



be aware your surroundings


A + and very true, no blind spots, stay out, and keep em out.
SPACE and bug out line at the ready. Throttle 20-60 1 Second.

Race bikes are far safer than regular street bikes,
Harleys are fat pigs you can get steamrolled in.

[Cebu_4_2]

After reading all the replies I didn't want to reply at all. Ghost Rider is one with the bike, inseparable which makes him about the best/safest one on the road. You nailed it by stating that he knows he is invisible, there is no other way to ride a bike. If you forget that little rule you will lose.






This is the type of reckless, stupid SOB that causes what is seen in the OP's video.


You cannot compare the pro on the bike to the idiots that can't
control their vehicles due to blindness, high speed, not thinking.

The rider would never drive his car like that, ever.

He is assuming nobody can see him and that everybody would
hit him, only an obstruction or slick on the road may cause his
accident and he knows it, knows the road, protects against slick
riding white lines. The video is staged too, prepped. The greatest
danger would be for some kid to copy him.

I miss my bike, just watching, get a rush.

Most bike accidents are rear ends by cars,
and getting nailed at an intersection due to
blind nippers or similar idiots. Cars don't
see you. Never heard or seen a racer cause
an accident, been around a few. Bikes don't
cause accidents in general, cars do, bikes lose.
They know it.



be aware your surroundings


A + and very true, no blind spots, stay out, and keep em out.
SPACE and bug out line at the ready. Throttle 20-60 1 Second.

Race bikes are far safer than regular street bikes,
Harleys are fat pigs you can get steamrolled in.

[Joe King]

Ghost Rider is an idiot.

All it takes is for one person to change lanes right in front of him because they didn't realize he was coming up on them at twice the speed limit.
At that point his ride is over because he wouldn't have time to react.

He's not a "pro" because a true pro wouldn't endanger others in such a selfish way.



If he wants to do that sh!t, he needs to go find a deserted stretch of road or a track. Not a highway where he has to zig zag around other road users in his attempt to show off.

[Cebu_4_2]

This is a great run, know you'll enjoy this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShacMAn_HK8

[Liquid]

Not only drive carefully, but do something that 99% of people just don't do. Get some first aid knowledge. Not from a book, from a course, take the time.

When witnessing an accident, people generally react in 1 of 2 ways. Completely freeze up and do nothing, or panic.

Years ago, I witnessed a bad accident, nobody did anything except call 911. Including myself, it's a powerless feeling, one I hope I never have again.

Years later, after taking an EMT course. Witnessed another bad accident. Lady with her husband gets nailed by a car. She hit so hard her head cracked the windshield, she flew threw the air doing a complete 360 midair and came crashing down the the pavement.

As I ran out there I expected her to be dead.

This time everyone paniced though. It was a great feeling knowing what to do. The best way to handle mass panic is to remain calm and give people jobs to do. I told a couple of people to stop traffic. I immobilized her spine, told a waitress to get towels, had another support her leg because it was broken.

People then started asking me how they can help. I gave them jobs, such as calming the husband down. Etc. By the time the fire dept got there in just a few short minutes.. it was a calm scene. The look on their faces was priceless. People want to help, they just don't know how, if you can inspire teamwork, it can really make a difference.

It really is important to get some first aid knowledge. Especially if you are 'prepping' for the future.

[Bullion_Bob]

People are just stupid and incapable in general. I've had two cars totaled from people smashing into me when I was stopped. First one was waiting to turn, stopped for about 30 seconds, the other while in traffic, stopped for about 20 seconds.

Some people are absolutely #$%^ useless at moving objects, and depth perception. It's really incredibly pathetic.

Ironically if I had been more aggressive in the first incident, my car would be fine. Instead I figured I'd be nice and wait.

I'd say less that 10% of people that drive fast know actually what they are doing, and most importantly their vehicle's capabilities, but they still do it anyway.

I can't say enough bad things about idiot people and cars.

[Phoenix]

You cannot compare the pro on the bike to the idiots that can't
control their vehicles due to blindness, high speed, not thinking.

The rider would never drive his car like that, ever.


Sure, whatever.

People that engage in reckless behavior believe they are invincible. And they usually act like it, wherever they are.




He is assuming nobody can see him


Number one rule: ACT as though other motorists cannot see you. It's called "defensive driving." He was not doing that.




Most bike accidents are rear ends by cars,
and getting nailed at an intersection due to
blind nippers or similar idiots. Cars don't
see you. Never heard or seen a racer cause
an accident, been around a few. Bikes don't
cause accidents in general


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow7KTCQ174A&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W88DzAXl7cQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq9_sKydxLU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkJwMtxE9PI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMwDmN-s8Cc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq_-42OxZEY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjUjXCDejyQ&feature=related

[Joe King]

This is a great run, know you'll enjoy this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShacMAn_HK8


I'll agree that it might make for a good video to watch, but the problem isn't one of the drivers skill as much as it is not being sure someone won't change lanes at the wrong moment.

While those cars look to be standing still, they're not.
And at some point, you no longer have time to react to what someone else does that you did not anticipate them doing.

It's like this. Ghost rider will be just fine as long as all the cars he approaches do exactly as he anticipates they will.
Which is for the most part to obey the traffic code themselves so that he doesn't have to.
....and we all know how well the average driver obeys the traffic code.

[Liquid]

you did not anticipate them doing.

It's like this. Ghost rider will be just fine as long as all the cars he approaches do exactly as he anticipates they will.
Which is for the most part to obey the traffic code themselves so that he doesn't have to.
....and we all know how well the average driver obeys the traffic code.


Right, eventually he's going to be toast, especially at that speed he's riding.

He does use good tactics though, such as going between to cars side by side,which appears crazy..but is very smart. Side by side cars don't change lanes into each other. He also leaves himself an out most of the time as well. But, he takes chances, and also doesn't give himself much time to react.

He may be overconfident.

[Phoenix]

Ghost Rider is one with the bike, inseparable



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfKsPqvwG-U&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5-12WJW5tQ&feature=related

[Joe King]

Ghost Rider is one with the bike, inseparable



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfKsPqvwG-U&feature=related

Cebu, if he's such a good rider why couldn't he miss the car?


And Phoenix? The first video you posted is "better" than the other one you posted after it.
I just feel sorry for the poor deer that got hit because the guy was going too fast to be able to react in time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb-7Tco1bP8&feature=fvw

[Cebu_4_2]

It's obviously not ghost rider and even states "German/Russian wannabe ghostrider"



Cebu, if he's such a good rider why couldn't he miss the car


Clearly this video echos you points but the real ghost rider wouldn't just drive into a car. The video is of a very poor un-attached rookie that has no clue how to operate his equipment. Hopefully he never gets on another bike.

[Joe King]

It's obviously not ghost rider and even states "German/Russian wannabe ghostrider"



Cebu, if he's such a good rider why couldn't he miss the car


Clearly this video echos you points but the real ghost rider wouldn't just drive into a car. The video is of a very poor un-attached rookie that has no clue how to operate his equipment. Hopefully he never gets on another bike.
Again, how does knowing how to operate ones equipment preclude someone else doing that which you failed to anticipate?

Ghost rider isn't psychic. He drives based upon what he anticipates other drivers should do and then acts accordingly.
If everyone drove the way you'd think they should drive, there would hardly be any accidents.

It's all good until he anticipates wrong.
At which point he'd probably try to blame the other driver.

[Bullion_Bob]

This is a great run, know you'll enjoy this.



That was nuts. Did his speedometer ever crack 300? I couldn't tell from the light, but I saw a lot of 297 - 299.

[Liquid]

\That was nuts. Did his speedometer ever crack 300? I couldn't tell from the light, but I saw a lot of 297 - 299.






In defense of the ghost rider...he's on the interstate, ie no pedestrians. If he did hit another vehicle, he's probably 'glaze' off of it..resulting in his death. Worst case, he rear-ends a vehicle, resulting in his death, but the vehicle struck would be damaged of course, but loss of life mostly likely not. There's a very small probablity his behavior could cause innocent lives...

It could though, even remotely. Anyway, if I had his skills and a bike..I probably couldn't stop myself from doing the same thing. Some folks just test themselves that way. This is why I do not own a bike.

[RUSH.IS.A.BAND]

May I present a authentic " Ghost Rider". Neal Peart earns the badge in my book of life. <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/cukCx1BY-CQ?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/cukCx1BY-CQ?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

[RUSH.IS.A.BAND]

Damn it. I may have done the embedding wrong. sorry. noob with forums. But never the less, any RUSH fan knows why Peart gets labeled. :) :'( Not sure which one 2 use.)

[silversurfer]

you can't catch what you cant see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_ofgD19-d8

[Bullion_Bob]

It's obviously not ghost rider and even states "German/Russian wannabe ghostrider"



Cebu, if he's such a good rider why couldn't he miss the car


Clearly this video echos you points but the real ghost rider wouldn't just drive into a car. The video is of a very poor un-attached rookie that has no clue how to operate his equipment. Hopefully he never gets on another bike.
Again, how does knowing how to operate ones equipment preclude someone else doing that which you failed to anticipate?

Ghost rider isn't psychic. He drives based upon what he anticipates other drivers should do and then acts accordingly.
If everyone drove the way you'd think they should drive, there would hardly be any accidents.

It's all good until he anticipates wrong.
At which point he'd probably try to blame the other driver.



Obviously the risk exists. How I see it is the odds are very high most cars will not sharply veer into another lane at highway speed, and all the way to the shoulder of the road. The shoulder aspect is very key to being able to pull something like this off.

Sure it does happen, but how many times have you personally seen it happen? Myself, I've only seen it happen once in 20 years of driving.

Extremely risky, or crazy, would be an appropriate term. For me, I'm considering statistical odds paired with beyond exceptional driving skills on an equally or better considered bike. Another thing to consider is the Ghost Rider guy does not ride stock bike, it's heavily modified.

The crash vid looked like a Ducati. Part of me is wondering if it was a stock bike as the brake fade seemed really bad.

The key is being in immediate association with the capabilities of what you are riding for all weather conditions, and most importantly, for the road surface itself.

If you know the intricacies of the road, and remember all of them like a track, you are golden. Look at rally driving for example, it's practically supernatural.

With that being said. I hope ghost rider inspires absolutely no one to do the same thing. Keep it all on a themed professional driver only experience.

[Saul Mine]

I have seen some other videos like this recently and all of them were from UK. It has been a very long time since I saw any such careless driving in the USA. It seems more likely to find someone driving 45 mph in a 60 zone here. I have never seen a biker enter an intersection without looking out for cross traffic. Are they having a flood of idiotic drivers in the UK for some reason?

Correction: one video was from China, and two were from Russia. I don't know about China, and I would believe anything out of Russia. Here's an example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psQHKKTeylg&feature=player_embedded

[Cebu_4_2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psQHKKTeylg&feature=player_embedded


The vid was okay but the sound effects! whoaa that was bad LOL.

[Cebu_4_2]

When sh*t totally goes wrong, disturbing to see, please heed warning! I used to host a much clearer version of it but lost it a while back. Youtube will host it for almost 30 seconds so I gave up on it there.

Again, this is disturbing so don't come back and bitch at me after you get all messed up.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=video&cd=2&ved=0CDoQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.break.com%2Fusercontent%2F200 6%2F10%2F15%2Fmotorcycle-racing-death-166244&ei=vJtwTNOkF5KDnQfzhuXiCA&usg=AFQjCNE8JjqN3vRuxzmJIWcOLJ2a8M-7TA&sig2=07YheZJbIKjmDNpsLyC0oA

[Phoenix]

ghost rider knows what he's doing


So did the commander and pilot of Space Shuttle Columbia.

[Bullion_Bob]

ghost rider knows what he's doing


So did the commander and pilot of Space Shuttle Columbia.


The only catch with that metaphor is the commander didn't build the space shuttle.

The engineers did, and they should have realized they were operating outside of design specs, but they failed at being diligent, not the pilot.

[Mouse]

This is his bestest vid evar!

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[Joe King]

It's obviously not ghost rider and even states "German/Russian wannabe ghostrider"



Cebu, if he's such a good rider why couldn't he miss the car


Clearly this video echos you points but the real ghost rider wouldn't just drive into a car. The video is of a very poor un-attached rookie that has no clue how to operate his equipment. Hopefully he never gets on another bike.
Again, how does knowing how to operate ones equipment preclude someone else doing that which you failed to anticipate?

Ghost rider isn't psychic. He drives based upon what he anticipates other drivers should do and then acts accordingly.
If everyone drove the way you'd think they should drive, there would hardly be any accidents.

It's all good until he anticipates wrong.
At which point he'd probably try to blame the other driver.



Obviously the risk exists. How I see it is the odds are very high most cars will not sharply veer into another lane at highway speed, and all the way to the shoulder of the road. The shoulder aspect is very key to being able to pull something like this off.

Sure it does happen, but how many times have you personally seen it happen? Myself, I've only seen it happen once in 20 years of driving.

Extremely risky, or crazy, would be an appropriate term. For me, I'm considering statistical odds paired with beyond exceptional driving skills on an equally or better considered bike. Another thing to consider is the Ghost Rider guy does not ride stock bike, it's heavily modified.

The crash vid looked like a Ducati. Part of me is wondering if it was a stock bike as the brake fade seemed really bad.

The key is being in immediate association with the capabilities of what you are riding for all weather conditions, and most importantly, for the road surface itself.

If you know the intricacies of the road, and remember all of them like a track, you are golden. Look at rally driving for example, it's practically supernatural.

With that being said. I hope ghost rider inspires absolutely no one to do the same thing. Keep it all on a themed professional driver only experience.

It's not about someone "veering into your path, but rather that they might change lanes in a normal fashion because when they checked to see if it was clear the bike wasn't there.
Like i said, to ride like that you have to be able to anticipate what everyone else is going to do.
Make one mistake in your anticipation and you crash.


If they only crashed into themselves, I'd say go for it. But they don't. They crash into other people.

What they are doing is treating the safety of those around them and their property with utter disregard in pursuit of their own selfish interests.

Why not hit the track and get the same thrill?
Unless of course the real thrill is using other people and their cars as pylons. <---- IMHO, that's what it's all about.

Also, your comment about only seeing it in 20 years of driving is part of the problem. It doesn't happen often to any one person, but over all it happens to somebody everyday. Usually multiple times a day.

Saying that it probably can't happen because it hasn't happened to you, is a poor way to assess the risk of a particular activity as it gives a false sense of security.



Why couldn't the "good" rider in this vid avoid the police car?
He obviously knew his bike.
Knew it so well that he's dead now. Makes for good video though. Which I'm sure if he was alive he'd be glad it was caught on tape.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKgbxVwr7Fg&feature=player_embedded

[Cebu_4_2]

Why couldn't the "good" rider in this vid avoid the police car?
He obviously knew his bike.
Knew it so well that he's dead now. Makes for good video though. Which I'm sure if he was alive he'd be glad it was caught on tape.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKgbxVwr7Fg&feature=player_embedded


I would attribute this to premeditated murder and nothing less than that.

[Cebu_4_2]

This is his bestest vid evar!


http://www.youtube.com/v/TRAiVKheDnY?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US

That was funny!

[Joe King]

Why couldn't the "good" rider in this vid avoid the police car?
He obviously knew his bike.
Knew it so well that he's dead now. Makes for good video though. Which I'm sure if he was alive he'd be glad it was caught on tape.

http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=vKgbxVwr7Fg&feature=player_embedded


I would attribute this to premeditated murder and nothing less than that.

The worst it could be called is suicide by cop. At best, it's called him getting the ultimate thrill he was obviously seeking by tempting disaster.
i.e. part of the adrenaline rush they get is in knowing just how close they came to eating it.


Here you have an on-duty police officer who is sworn to uphold the letter of the law and along comes an idiot on a motorcycle obviously breaking more than one of those laws while engaging in reckless behavior right in front of said police officer.
The police officer knows that if he trys to pursue him in a normal fashion that the guy on the motorcycle won't stop, but will simply speed away while flipping him the bird

So he pulled out in an attempt to stop him. It's not the police officers fault that the guy was going too fast to be able to react in time.
...which is the whole point I'm trying to make here.

If you drive in a manner that negates your own reaction time, you have no one to blame but yourself when you find that you actually needed that time in order to not hit something.
But no one seems capable of thinking about that until it's too late.


Edited to add a few vids that help demonstrate just how quickly things can go very wrong if you've no time to react.

Riders POV of head-on collision at 130km/hr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmdUEeWviVc&feature=related

Riders POV of crashing on a track at 170mph
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_9l6FoLY2c&feature=related

Another pro rider wanna-be that isn't anymore.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv8Dz27qepY&feature=related


Slow down. The adrenaline rush just isn't worth it.

[ximmy]

some things can't be avoided... some can... let us avoid the ones that can... :)

[Saul Mine]

As it happens I drove bikes as my primary transportation for ten years, so I know what it feels like. It boils down to waiting to die: it's a lot easier to wait at 100 mph than at 50.