Ashamed to be American? Ex-patriots give up on US

[Cebu_4_2]

RussiaToday | August 22, 2010

The United States leads the world in the number of legal immigrants it accepts every year. For most new citizens, life in America means better opportunities. But a growing number - 700 last year - have renounced their U.S. citizenship.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqCIyHHOCQo

[Ponce]

We lost our freedom when we allowed the Zionist to come into the US government......back in the old days you would hear NOTHING about the "Jews" or the so called holocaust but little by little they infiltrated our government and changed everything.......where it was to make movies it is now to make propaganda.......where it was to print the news it is now to print propaganda.

Like the fungus that took over the lives of those ants the Zionist have taken over the lives of the American people.........freedom is paid with blood and not with words and it is time for those wanting freedom to act on it....................GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH.

WOLVERINESSSSSSSSSSSS

[Phoenix]

I gave up on the US long ago, but I'm not going anywhere; God put me here.

I don't consider myself lawfully an American. I'm a Californian, and yes, that is more prestigious than being associated with the regime in Washington.

[Apparition]

I don't plan on emigrating considering the bad foreign job market, the costs, and the global animosity towards the US.

If anything, I'll likely move to the northwestern US if it worsens.

[Liquid]

I am proud to be an American. Anywhere I go in the world, I will still feel that way.

However, being American is far more than our corrupt government today. It's with the people. We, need to keep that spirit alive. American is 'us'.

Fvck washington dc.

[General of Darkness]

If you renounce your citizenship can you still get the moneys you put into SS?

[Cebu_4_2]

If you renounce your citizenship can you still get the moneys you put into SS?


No by default SS goes back to the govt. So does any assets you hold here under your SS#, they will be frozen pending an investigation. Renouncing has some other implications pertaining to travel mattering in what country you choose to call home. The US has pretty much made the world comply with immigration laws before you could come back for a visit, even from Canadia, however it looks like its an open door from the bottom side depending on who you bribe.

[Phoenix]

If you renounce your citizenship can you still get the moneys you put into SS?


It depends. The statutes or regulations could be changed at will.


Current SSA policy on loss of citizenship from POMS:

https://s044a90.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0200303200


Current SSA FAQ on foreign payments:

http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10137.html

If you are a citizen of one of the countries listed below, Social Security payments will keep coming no matter how long you stay outside the United States, as long as you are eligible for the payments.

* Austria
* Belgium
* Canada
* Chile
* Czech Republic
* Finland
* France
* Germany
* Greece
* Ireland
* Israel
* Italy
* Japan
* Korea (South)
* Luxembourg
* Netherlands
* Norway
* Poland
* Portugal
* Spain
* Sweden
* Switzerland
* United Kingdom

If you are a citizen of one of the countries listed below, you also may receive your payments as long as you are outside the United States, unless you are receiving your payments as a dependent or survivor. In that case, there are additional requirements you have to meet.

* Albania
* Antigua and Barbuda
* Argentina
* Bahamas
* Barbados
* Belize
* Bolivia
* Bosnia-Herzegovina
* Brazil
* Burkina Faso
* Colombia
* Costa Rica
* Côte d’Ivoire
* Croatia
* Cyprus
* Dominica
* Dominican Republic
* Ecuador
* El Salvador
* Gabon
* Grenada
* Guatemala
* Guyana
* Hungary
* Iceland
* Jamaica
* Jordan
* Latvia
* Liechtenstein
* Lithuania
* Macedonia
* Malta
* Marshall Islands
* Mexico
* Micronesia, Fed. States of
* Monaco
* Montenegro
* Nicaragua
* Palau
* Panama
* Peru
* Philippines
* St. Kitts and Nevis
* St. Lucia
* Samoa (formerly Western Samoa)
* San Marino
* Serbia
* Slovakia
* Slovenia
* Trinidad-Tobago
* Turkey
* Uruguay
* Venezuela

[Phoenix]

No by default SS goes back to the govt.


Not correct for OASDI. For Medicare, yes.




So does any assets you hold here under your SS#, they will be frozen pending an investigation.


Only if you renounce in favor of an "unfriendly" country's citizenship. If he renounced to retain/gain Croatian, this would not apply.

Dual- and tri-nationals renounce pretty commonly. My kids' cousin was born in Kenya (not Hawai'i ;D), of a Norwegian father and American mother. She renounced in favor of Norway, and visits here often.

[Ponce]

And if you are in Cuba you are F*CK........another good raeason for not going back to Cuba.

[Phoenix]

And if you are in Cuba you are F*CK........another good raeason for not going back to Cuba.


What exactly is the "rationale" for the continued punishment of the Cuban people? Because communists are still in charge in Habana? WTF?! America is mortgaged up the ass to communists in Beijing, because the Federal regime made it possible!

[Ponce]

Castro is the only dictator ever not to kiss the Americans ass, I am proud of him for that.

[Phoenix]

Castro is the only dictator ever not to kiss the Americans ass, I am proud of him for that.



Other than a lack of (sham) elections, like in America, was Castro really a "dictator"? Meaning, did he rule against the will and true best interests of the Cuban people?

[Joe King]

If you renounce your citizenship can you still get the moneys you put into SS?


What exactly do you mean by, "put into"? ???

There is no "money" to get back.
SS is nothing but a government promise to tax you at a future date in order to fulfill the obligations they've made to you in the past.
i.e. they spent it already, sorry 4 the misunderstanding. http://serve.mysmiley.net/adult/motion.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)


Just think of it as a kind of "loan" where you gave them Dollars that were no where near as inflated as the ones they're going to be paying you back with.

There's even a chance that you may get lucky and receive the much talked about hyperinflated Dollar for no extra charge!
You'll certainly be the talk of the town if that happens. http://serve.mysmiley.net/jumping/jumping0010.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)

[steyr_m]

I don't plan on emigrating considering the bad foreign job market, the costs, and the global animosity towards the US.

If anything, I'll likely move to the northwestern US if it worsens.


If you can, look at getting a work visa in Canada. There is tonnes of work in Alberta, Sask., Manitoba. The guy building my house has to turn people away, he has too much work.

[Uncle Salty]

What a bunch of wussies.

[Grand Master Melon]

I gave up on the US long ago, but I'm not going anywhere; God put me here.

I don't consider myself lawfully an American. I'm a Californian, and yes, that is more prestigious than being associated with the regime in Washington.

I wouldn't go that far but I understand where you're coming from.

[Joe King]

I gave up on the US long ago, but I'm not going anywhere; God put me here.

I don't consider myself lawfully an American. I'm a Californian, and yes, that is more prestigious than being associated with the regime in Washington.

I wouldn't go that far but I understand where you're coming from.

I think what he's saying is that he considers himself to be a "citizen of the several states" as opposed to a us citizen.
Right Phoenix?

[Grand Master Melon]

I gave up on the US long ago, but I'm not going anywhere; God put me here.

I don't consider myself lawfully an American. I'm a Californian, and yes, that is more prestigious than being associated with the regime in Washington.

I wouldn't go that far but I understand where you're coming from.

I think what he's saying is that he considers himself to be a "citizen of the several states" as opposed to a us citizen.
Right Phoenix?



I get it I just think Cali is a craphole.

[Saul Mine]

No, I am not ashamed to be an American, but I sure am ashamed of some of my fellow citizens.

[k-os]

And if you are in Cuba you are F*CK........another good raeason for not going back to Cuba.


What exactly is the "rationale" for the continued punishment of the Cuban people? Because communists are still in charge in Habana? WTF?! America is mortgaged up the ass to communists in Beijing, because the Federal regime made it possible!


It does not seem like punishment at all, to me. The island is free from advertisements, free from junk food, free from McDonalds, free from Walmart, free from crime, free from hunger. The whole reason why I went last year was because I was afraid Obama would open up travel between the US and Cuba, and soon after you'd see that Cuba would turn into Miami, or worse - the (non-cruise portion of the) Bahamas or Belize.

No one will speak openly about how they really feel about Castro, at least no one I spoke to. However, everyone has food, and a safe place to sleep. I am not sure if you can really call it communism, since some people have beautiful cottages on the beach, and some have Gilded Age era palaces in the city. I can't rationalize that in my head. They can't speak out about gov't without fear of extreme punishment, and they can't do drugs. However, they're not poisoned (as much) by pharmaceuticals. You can't even buy aspirin or ibuprofen over the counter. And their minds are certainly are not poisoned by Hollywood or Madison Avenue.

It seemed to me that the only thing the Cubans wanted that they don't have is "stuff". Stuff like iPods, XBox, flat screen TV, etc. Yet interestingly, some Cubans had very cool and cutting edge technology, which from what I am told, means that they worked in government somehow, or was related to someone who did.

I am willing to bet that the US embargo is more about Castro's unwillingness to borrow money from the IMF than anything else. Makes more sense to me.

[Apparition]

No, I am not ashamed to be an American, but I sure am ashamed of some of my fellow citizens.


That's generally how I feel except that I'm not ashamed to be a US citizen but I'm ashamed of both some of my fellow citizens and the government.

[Horn]

I don't plan on emigrating considering the bad foreign job market, the costs, and the global animosity towards the US.

If anything, I'll likely move to the northwestern US if it worsens.


If you can, look at getting a work visa in Canada. There is tonnes of work in Alberta, Sask., Manitoba. The guy building my house has to turn people away, he has too much work.


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Yeah, but are you redy? :oo-->

[Twisted Titan]

Castro is the only dictator ever not to kiss the Americans ass, I am proud of him for that.



Castro still kisses America @$$........ just a different part of it.


What has always puzzeled me is this:

We have had a embargo on Cuba for dam near 50 years for whatever reason you want to say.

So how is is possible that America has a MILITARY BASE on Cuban Soil??

If Castro fears a US invasion why the hell would you allow your "enemy" to military munitions on your sovereign land??

The more I dwell on this ....... the more I come to realize.....at the highest levels this is just a giant game of make believe expect the consequences are real for anybody who is not at the top.

Castro has been rewarded with the longest running dictatorship because knows the part he has to play and he doesnt over step that boundary..... the only person close to holding on power as long as him is The Algerian Strong Man Khadaffi and you can see he is being rewarded handsomely for his part ( lurcrative oil contracts and dimissal of terror charges at Lockerbie)