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Horn
24th August 2010, 12:15 AM
Newly discovered cliffs on the moon indicate that it has shrunk in the past as it cooled off, and that it might even still be shrinking, researchers say.

The shrinkage isn't dramatic — perhaps no more than a 300-foot reduction in the moon's 2,000-mile diameter — but it is enough to cause cracks to form just like they would in the rind of a dried-up orange.

Researchers had first noticed the cliffs, technically called lobate scarps because they are semicircular, like a lobe, in images from the Apollo 15, 16 and 17 missions. But those images were collected only near the equator, and geologists thought they probably indicated a local phenomenon.

But new images from the entire surface of the moon collected by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, reported in Thursday's edition of the journal Science, show that the scarps appear all over the body.

"This is the first evidence that the moon has been shrinking, and may still be shrinking," NASA's chief lunar scientist, Michael Wargo, said in a news conference. But, he added, "the kind of radius change and shrinking we are describing here is so small that you would never notice it."

The scarps can be observed only with high-resolution cameras of the type that are aboard the lunar orbiter. The biggest is about 300 feet high and several miles long.

That is almost microscopic compared with similar scarps on Mercury, which can be more than a mile high and hundreds of miles long, according to the lead investigator, Thomas Watters of the Smithsonian Institution's National Air and Space Museum. Mercury was much hotter than the moon when it formed, and thus contracted much more strongly during cooling.

The moon is thought to have formed early in the history of the solar system when a massive object crashed into Earth, knocking out a chunk that began to orbit our planet. Heat from the radioactive lunar core, the impact and subsequent meteor impacts caused the moon to collapse into its more spherical shape before cooling.

Planetary geologists estimate that the lunar scarps formed no more than 1 billion years ago — the moon, like the Earth, is about 4.5 billion years old — and perhaps as recently as 100 million years ago. There is a small possibility, Wargo said, that the process is continuing now.

The best evidence for the relatively recent age of some scarps is that many of them cut across meteor craters, deforming their shape. Many of the craters are kinds that disappear fairly quickly from the moon's surface, Watters said. Moreover, none of the scarps show any evidence of having been struck by such impacts after their formation, even though meteor strikes are ongoing on the moon.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/aug/20/science/la-sci-moon-shrinks-20100821

keehah
24th August 2010, 01:04 AM
The moon is thought to have formed early in the history of the solar system when a massive object crashed into Earth, knocking out a chunk that began to orbit our planet. Heat from the radioactive lunar core, the impact and subsequent meteor impacts caused the moon to collapse into its more spherical shape before cooling.

Not content to stick with things closer to facts and simply say 'the moon is cooling'.
In the years ahead readers of this sort of speculation may chuckle at our stupidity.

Neuro
24th August 2010, 01:05 AM
I remember reading a theory on old GIM, that the moon may have formed relatively recently, within the last 100 million years, possibly at the time when dinosaurs went extinct.

At that point the earth supposedly rotated around it's axel in 10 hours, which meant that the centrifugal forces at the equator were equal to gravity, and life around the equator would be very light, 0 gravity, which would explain the huge animals, insects and plants living on earth then. As earth was shrinking, the rotation speed increased with increased centrifugal forces, and finally a large chunk of the earth was flung out in space, the moon was formed, and the earth started rotating slower.

Someone calculated that the kinetic energy in the system of today's Moon-Earth is exactly the same as the earth with the mass of the moon added rotating at 10 hours...

However if these scarps are not interfered by any meteor impacts, that would imply that the cooling occurred very recently, perhaps the last million years, and that would suggest that the moon is really new. What about the scarps on Mercury? Are they interrupted by meteor impact craters?

Another possibility is that I am just trying to find facts fitting my theory

keehah
24th August 2010, 09:24 AM
A laugh from The Onion

AMERICAN VOICES »
Earth's Moon Shrinking
http://o.onionstatic.com/images/amvo/americanvoicesface/2/wdyt_photo3_jpg_48x64_crop-smart_upscale_q85.jpg
"C'mon, what are these guys, stupid? It'll grow back. It does every month."

chad
24th August 2010, 09:32 AM
i like john lear's theory about how's there's a radio antenna on the far side of the moon that runs everybody souls. that theory seems the most plausible to me.

Neuro
24th August 2010, 09:40 AM
i like john lear's theory about how's there's a radio antenna on the far side of the moon that runs everybody souls. that theory seems the most plausible to me.

wouldn't it be even more plausible if they put the antenna on the near side. I am sure the transmissions could be programmed so that we see the antenna like the sea of tranquility.

keehah
24th August 2010, 09:43 AM
I watched SouthPark last night, the episode on Scientology. The 2 minute segment on its origins (as told by founder) could also be used to recap the TV show Lost.

Saul Mine
24th August 2010, 10:50 AM
This whole story makes about as much sense as the old lady who told Kip Thorne that the Earth rides on the back of a turtle. He asked what holds up the turtle.

"Don't you try to trick me!" she snapped. "It's turtles all the way down!"

Horn
24th August 2010, 12:54 PM
"Don't you try to trick me!" she snapped. "It's turtles all the way down!"


C'mon you don't believe in The Great Terrapin!!! ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsTunVuFqz4

Spectrism
24th August 2010, 01:21 PM
It may be a smaller moon, but it suits me just fine.


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/96/247862713_8c08dae8c9.jpg


http://johnwright.smugmug.com/photos/131220639_n6W5p-L.jpg

TheNocturnalEgyptian
24th August 2010, 01:24 PM
It isn't impossible for objects striking other objects to generate heat. Very massive objects strike other very massive objects, and generate massive amounts of heat. This has been proven to sometimes generate enough heat so as to turn solid stone into liquid stone. This is the reason all planets are spheres instead of jagged mountain type shapes - they get so hot that they expand into perfect spheres against the zero gravity of outer space. Then when they harden, they stay in that sphere shape.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accretion_(astrophysics)


Maybe I'm wrong but it makes sense to me.

Horn
24th August 2010, 01:34 PM
A related story.

I think it's more like Roquefort that's been refrigerated for too long.

How Terrapin's Shell Got Its Pattern
Native American - Cherokee story
retold by Oban


Terrapin and Possum were friends. They liked to gather persimmon fruit and eat it together in the sun. One day they found a tree with ripe fruit in its top branches. Possum climbed up, picked the persimmons and threw them down to Terrapin, who slowly rolled them into a pile with her front claws.

A wolf sauntered through the bushes and stopped to watch behind a tree. He liked persimmons too, and these were big and shiny orange. He licked his jaws with his long tongue, imagining how tasty the fruit would be and thinking how lucky it was that Possum had already thrown them down.

The wolf trotted over to Terrapin’s fruit pile, stretched out one of his front legs and rolled two of the persimmons towards him. Terrapin pulled her head and legs inside her shell, frightened, and huddled like a stone.

“Go away” shouted Possum, glaring down through the tree branches. “This is our fruit. Find another tree”. The Wolf ignored Possum and began to eat the fruit.

Possum jumped up and down on his branch angrily. “Hey, Wolf. It’s no fun taking fruit that’s already on the ground. Are you too tired to jump and catch fresh fruit?”

He started throwing persimmons down again and Wolf leaped in the air and caught them in his teeth. Then Possum broke off a sharp piece of twig and threw it down among the persimmons. Wolf, who was excitedly catching everything that fell, snapped his jaws around the twig and a persimmon. The twig stuck in his throat and he choked to death.

Terrapin waddled over and poked him to make sure he was dead. “I’ll take his ears to use as spoons”, she said. And she cut off his ears with her sharp claws. Then she waved goodbye to Possum, who settled himself on a branch and carried on eating persimmons.
Terrapin walked into the village. Over the next two days she went from house to house, dipping the ears into the jars of gruel that the women always kept by their doors. “Yum”, she muttered. “I love gruel as much as I love persimmons”.

http://www.planetozkids.com/oban/legends/how-terrapins-shell-got-pattern-story.htm