Search & Seizure

[Joe King]

So as not to derail her thread I'd like to start a new one to touch upon the very important subject of roadside searches and your 4th Amendment Right against such searches.







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First, being polite with the police always helps.

Second, next time the police ask if you if you mind if they search, answer politely but firmly with "no, I do not consent to a search. Am I free to go?"
If they do not answer in a reasonable amount of time, ask again.

The fact that you answered in an un-sure way gives them their foot in the door, so to speak, to start intimidating you in order to gain access because by your response he knows you aren't sure of your Rights and will proceed to walk all over you. {just like he did}


It's good to know your 4th amendment rights, and you do have the right to not consent to a search. However, if a cop is a prick, he'll find a way to search the vehicle. Also, 'not consenting' gives suspicion.
Personally, I would not consent the the search, and say something like "with all due respect, I just purchased this vehicle and do not know it's history." Something that you don't know about could be hidden in that RV, and since it's yours....you own what you don't know about.
The only problem with answering that question with what appears to be logic, is that you are now entering into a battle of "wits" with a cop who will always be able to come up with a logical-sounding reason to be able to do what he wants.

Standing up for your Right against illegal search is a dead end street for him, as he already admitted on tape that he knows he does not have probable cause, and at that point there is no "valid" argument for him to make that will stand up in Court and he knows it.

Which means that if he ends up choosing to search/arrest anyways, you get a "get out of jail free" card.
But if you consent, you're only nailing your own coffin.

Trust me. They are well trained in how to "talk" their way into gaining consent to search that will stand up in Court.

I've seen too many cases where the only thing supporting conviction was the defendants permission to search.

This is the part to remember when dealing with the police:
If a cop thinks he has the Right to search, he'll be in full belligerent mode and will tell you what he is going to do.
If a cop does not think he has the Right to search, he'll be asking to search while still in "officer-friendly" mode.

Learning to recognize the difference can make all the difference for you and your freedom.

Now everytime k-os happens to get her plates run, they'll see a tiki mark on her record about those pot brownies she admitted having, and will be now be even more likely to get pulled over in the future just to be checked out.

[wildcard]

If you're a wise ass they will simply take you to jail. You can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride. Simply ask if they are conducting an investigation and say you would like an attorney. Also, at the beginning of the stop say "you don't mind if I record this conversation do you officer?" I do not consent to any searches. If you think you have a reason that will stand up in court then go for it.

*why we still have people around here that think the cop is Officer Friendly I have no idea. Go over to police one and read the comments. Things like "there's more justice at the end of a night stick than in a court of law."

[sirgonzo420]

Regarding searches, the answer is simple:


"Just say 'NO'!".

[chad]

part of the problem is that people still identify with "the good old days." some people still think of andy griffith, etc. when they see a cop. i know i am guilty of it.

when i was in high school in the early 1980s, i can't even count the number of times we got busted by the cops, and they'd simply take your beer, make you dump it out, follow you home, etc. nobody EVER got arrested.

i still automatically think of cops like that, and i have to force myself into shooting 30 years in to the future where they are simply revenue agents.

[RJB]

*why we still have people around here that think the cop is Officer Friendly I have no idea.I used to be a volunteer fire fighter for a few years and I met some police officers who were both my friends and people I respected. I also met some of the most dispicable people who wore the badge.

The one thing I heard them say, even a lot of the good ones is: "I'm not in this business to make friends." Believing they are your friends when they see you as a threat or a target is dangerous.

[Book]

Get cute and k-os would have had her vehicle towed to impound while awaiting a search warrant for "probable cause" because the drug dog signaled on her door handle.

In the real world refusing "permission" only gets you a free ride to jail while they impound your vehicle.

:D

[wildcard]

It also gives you an out with a reasonable judge. It's a long shot, but it's the only shot you have. Unless you want to duke it out with the cop on the side of the road.

*if he wants to search, he'll find a reason to search. If he wants to take you to jail, he'll take you to jail. Hopefully, the judge will right the wrong and return your property. Of course it's a huge waste of time and there's that whole jail thing, but what else can you do?

**if the judge is unreasonable, well then it's time for remedy. ;D That is if they didn't seize your remedy delivery system.

[sirgonzo420]

Get cute and k-os would have had her vehicle towed to impound while awaiting a search warrant for "probable cause" because the drug dog signaled on her door handle.

In the real world refusing "permission" only gets you a free ride to jail while they impound your vehicle.

:D


Actually, not really.

I have refused many searches and "got away" clean.

[wildcard]

Get cute and k-os would have had her vehicle towed to impound while awaiting a search warrant for "probable cause" because the drug dog signaled on her door handle.

In the real world refusing "permission" only gets you a free ride to jail while they impound your vehicle.

:D


Actually, not really.

I have refused many searches and "got away" clean.


That's exactly what happens. It's the dumb shits that say "sure, go ahead" while praying the cop won't find whatever they have stashed that get busted. Say no and the cop can either push it and explain it to the judge or get back in his car and chase down someone not so defensive of their rights.

[Joe King]

Get cute and k-os would have had her vehicle towed to impound while awaiting a search warrant for "probable cause" because the drug dog signaled on her door handle.

In the real world refusing "permission" only gets you a free ride to jail while they impound your vehicle.

:D


Actually, not really.

I have refused many searches and "got away" clean.


Exactly!

Police officers will not ask permission to do that which they reasonably believe they already have the authority to do.

By them "asking" they are admitting that they do not have the Right.

[DMac]

Get cute and k-os would have had her vehicle towed to impound while awaiting a search warrant for "probable cause" because the drug dog signaled on her door handle.

In the real world refusing "permission" only gets you a free ride to jail while they impound your vehicle.

:D


Actually, not really.

I have refused many searches and "got away" clean.


Exactly!

Police officers will not ask permission to do that which they reasonably believe they already have the authority to do.

By them "asking" they are admitting that they do not have the Right.



Very good point which you also made in the OP:

This is the part to remember when dealing with the police:
If a cop thinks he has the Right to search, he'll be in full belligerent mode and will tell you what he is going to do.

If a cop does not think he has the Right to search, he'll be asking to search while still in "officer-friendly" mode.

Listen very closely to what is asked or demanded of you. Always comply with demands. Never comply with requests.

[Book]

Actually, not really.

I have refused many searches and "got away" clean.



Most people have never been searched by the police.

:oo-->

[sirgonzo420]

Get cute and k-os would have had her vehicle towed to impound while awaiting a search warrant for "probable cause" because the drug dog signaled on her door handle.

In the real world refusing "permission" only gets you a free ride to jail while they impound your vehicle.

:D


Actually, not really.

I have refused many searches and "got away" clean.


That's exactly what happens. It's the dumb sh*ts that say "sure, go ahead" while praying the cop won't find whatever they have stashed that get busted. Say no and the cop can either push it and explain it to the judge or get back in his car and chase down someone not so defensive of their rights.


Eggg-zackly!







Get cute and k-os would have had her vehicle towed to impound while awaiting a search warrant for "probable cause" because the drug dog signaled on her door handle.

In the real world refusing "permission" only gets you a free ride to jail while they impound your vehicle.

:D


Actually, not really.

I have refused many searches and "got away" clean.


Exactly!

Police officers will not ask permission to do that which they reasonably believe they already have the authority to do.

By them "asking" they are admitting that they do not have the Right.


Eggg-zackly again!

And I have had cops threaten say "if you don't consent, I'm gonna search anyway" to which I reply "well I REALLY don't consent now!". Nothing ever came of it. It was a bluff on the cop's part.

They might also threaten to "call the dogs" or "get a warrant". Neither threats ever materialized for me.

What did he expect? Him to say "I'm gonna search anyway" or "I'll call the dogs" and me say "oh, don't do that officer; let me make your job easier - here's what I'm hiding!".

lol

Just stand your ground, and don't consent to shit.

[wildcard]

Actually, not really.

I have refused many searches and "got away" clean.



Most people have never been searched by the police.

:oo-->


Give them (the cops) time. :P

[sirgonzo420]

Actually, not really.

I have refused many searches and "got away" clean.



Most people have never been searched by the police.

:oo-->


Did you not read my post?

Neither have I!

[crazychicken]

My experience is having a concealed weapons permit puts you in a different light if you do get pulled over. Right off the top you are seen as "not one of the assholes".

My CCW is attached to my drivers license.

That and being polite and recognizing what it would be like if I was the one stopping a strange vehicle out on the road.

CC

[Joe King]

Get cute and k-os would have had her vehicle towed to impound while awaiting a search warrant for "probable cause" because the drug dog signaled on her door handle.

In the real world refusing "permission" only gets you a free ride to jail while they impound your vehicle.

:D


Actually, not really.

I have refused many searches and "got away" clean.


Exactly!

Police officers will not ask permission to do that which they reasonably believe they already have the authority to do.

By them "asking" they are admitting that they do not have the Right.



Very good point which you also made in the OP:

This is the part to remember when dealing with the police:
If a cop thinks he has the Right to search, he'll be in full belligerent mode and will tell you what he is going to do.

If a cop does not think he has the Right to search, he'll be asking to search while still in "officer-friendly" mode.

Listen very closely to what is asked or demanded of you. Always comply with demands. Never comply with requests.
Yea, it was pretty much the same, but when others seemed to assume that I think of all cops as being "officer friendly", I thought I'd try to clarify.

The last line of your post is a very good way of putting it.
i.e. short and sweet.

[wildcard]

What did he expect? Him to say "I'm gonna search anyway" or "I'll call the dogs" and me say "oh, don't do that officer; let me make your job easier - here's what I'm hiding!".

It works when people are scared and shaking like k-os. Then they voluntarily admit to a crime. Possibly a felony in today's world.

*imagine that cop wanted to bust k for the pot brownies and she's carrying 3 firearms. That would have made some great headlines and potentially she could have lost her 2A privileges over not being able to keep her pie hole shut.

**and they would have seized the mystery machine as well. Where do you think they get all those boats and cars at the police auction? Tony Montana? Nope, from stupid ass Joe Schmoe the big mouth.

[chad]

My experience is having a concealed weapons permit puts you in a different light if you do get pulled over. Right off the top you are seen as "not one of the assholes".

My CCW is attached to my drivers license.

That and being polite and recognizing what it would be like if I was the one stopping a strange vehicle out on the road.

CC




my experience as well. when i lived in a different state than i am in now, i had one, and right off the bat they step the whole thing down a level because they know you're not going to play along.

[wildcard]

My experience is having a concealed weapons permit puts you in a different light if you do get pulled over. Right off the top you are seen as "not one of the assholes".

My CCW is attached to my drivers license.

That and being polite and recognizing what it would be like if I was the one stopping a strange vehicle out on the road.

CC




It's amazing how polite the cops are when they know you have a firearm as well.

[sirgonzo420]

What did he expect? Him to say "I'm gonna search anyway" or "I'll call the dogs" and me say "oh, don't do that officer; let me make your job easier - here's what I'm hiding!".

It works when people are scared and shaking like k-os. Then they voluntarily admit to a crime. Possibly a felony in today's world.

*imagine that cop wanted to bust k for the pot brownies and she's carrying 3 firearms. That would have made some great headlines and potentially she could have lost her 2A privileges over not being able to keep her pie hole shut.


Quite true.

It's a good rule of thumb to never give anyone any rope to hang you with.

If someone wants to hang you, let 'em get their own damn rope!

[Book]

Actually, not really.

I have refused many searches and "got away" clean.



Most people have never been searched by the police.

:oo-->


Did you not read my post?

Neither have I!



Read your own posts. Why are you frequently having to "refuse" searches? I have a clean DMV record, never been arrested, and conceal carry with an FBI-authorized CWL...lol.

:D

[wildcard]

Some folks just look like they're up to something. ;D

For TA (hope he's not in jail):

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ3wtYmT2s283sqibkt891SC0DlMQhrQ nldG8636hF-BXGQ4D8&t=1&usg=__0jl3C86u1xWItzBhCK1Wl9JA05U=

[cedarchopper]

You can say no all you want, but if the cops are of the right variety, they will do what they want. I was pulled over in a rural part of S.Texas one time by 2 DPS cops (about 40 miles N of the border) and they asked if they could search, I said no! They told me to get out of the truck and they did it anyway. They don't care if you can beat the charges in court...you can't beat getting run though the mill and the grinder in the process.

[sirgonzo420]

Actually, not really.

I have refused many searches and "got away" clean.



Most people have never been searched by the police.

:oo-->


Did you not read my post?

Neither have I!



Read your own posts. Why are you frequently having to "refuse" searches? I have a clean DMV record, never been arrested, and conceal carry with an FBI-authorized CWL...lol.

:D


I used to frequently get pulled over because of the car I drove and because I had dreadlocks.

I travel in another automobile now, and don't have dreadlocks anymore (although my hair is still long and nappy).

[wildcard]

You can say no all you want, but if the cops are of the right variety, they will do what they want. I was pulled oven in a rural part of S.Texas one time by 2 DPS cops (about 40 miles N of the border) and they asked if they could search, I said no! They told me to get out of the truck and they did it anyway. They don't care if you can beat the charges in court...you can't beat getting run though the mill and the grinder in the process.



An illegal search may save your vehicle from the auction and you from serious jail time. Say no. Cover your bases.

[crazychicken]

Right on BOOK, right on!

CC


"Why are you frequently having to "refuse" searches? I have a clean DMV record, never been arrested, and conceal carry with an FBI-authorized CWL...lol."

[sirgonzo420]

You can say no all you want, but if the cops are of the right variety, they will do what they want. I was pulled oven in a rural part of S.Texas one time by 2 DPS cops (about 40 miles N of the border) and they asked if they could search, I said no! They told me to get out of the truck and they did it anyway. They don't care if you can beat the charges in court...you can't beat getting run though the mill and the grinder in the process.



That's true.

Cops don't always behave lawfully or even legally.

There are all sorts of "highwaymen"... some with badges, some without.

[Book]

I had dreadlocks.

my hair is still long and nappy.



Oh.

:)

[sirgonzo420]

You can say no all you want, but if the cops are of the right variety, they will do what they want. I was pulled oven in a rural part of S.Texas one time by 2 DPS cops (about 40 miles N of the border) and they asked if they could search, I said no! They told me to get out of the truck and they did it anyway. They don't care if you can beat the charges in court...you can't beat getting run though the mill and the grinder in the process.



An illegal search may save your vehicle from the auction and you from serious jail time. Say no. Cover your bases.


Yep.

Do NOT consent.

Also, don't get misunderstood.

Most of the time, they will say something like:

"Mind if I search your vehicle?"

If you say "No", you just gave permission.

Say "I do NOT give consent to any searches."

[Joe King]

You can say no all you want, but if the cops are of the right variety, they will do what they want. I was pulled oven in a rural part of S.Texas one time by 2 DPS cops (about 40 miles N of the border) and they asked if they could search, I said no! They told me to get out of the truck and they did it anyway. They don't care if you can beat the charges in court...you can't beat getting run though the mill and the grinder in the process.



An illegal search may save your vehicle from the auction and you from serious jail time. Say no. Cover your bases.
Yep.
By consenting you remove any chance for your lawyer {assuming you need one} to get it all thrown out of Court, and are instead throwing yourself at the mercy of the police officer who, at that point, has no obligation to abide by the Constitution anymore.

[Phoenix]

The ordinary police do not conduct searches for no reason at all, because their time at Donut King is far more valuable than "enforcing the law."

However, if you mouth off to a cop, if you look like trash, if you smell like a Bob Marley concert, and/or if you might be "guilty" of some political offense, they will give you "special treatment."

I've gotten stopped three times, all for the speeding tax, all by the California Highway Patrol. Not once has it been anything but "routine" - "I'm concerned about your speed," or similar. Of course, I look & smell like a clean-cut Aryan, driving a normal American car, and treated the tax collector like a gentleman. No searches, no "safety checks," just issued the tax bill, and we both went on our way.

The smart warrior blends into his surroundings. If you want to stand out, then expect to be sniped.

Is it "right" that cops harass people for looking, smelling, or acting different? No, not generally. But a lack of common sense only inflames a situation that could be kept calmer.

If a cop does get to the point of "do you mind if I search your vehicle," the correct response is "I respect you, but my attorney advised me never to consent to a search for any reason. May I call my attorney?" Will that stop the cop? Maybe...maybe not. But as others have pointed out, it slightly increases the odds you can beat a "criminal" charge for dope or similar, or even "civil forfeiture" of your vehicle or personal property (cash in your wallet), if they can't get you on "criminal" charges.

[Phoenix]

Get cute and k-os would have had her vehicle towed to impound while awaiting a search warrant for "probable cause" because the drug dog signaled on her door handle.

In the real world refusing "permission" only gets you a free ride to jail while they impound your vehicle.

:D


With all due respect, if he needs to ask, you are in a position to say "no, I don't consent."

If he doesn't have to ask, then you'll be in chains, while he disassembles your car.

[Phoenix]

I have refused many searches and "got away" clean.


How many times are you getting stopped? Out of ten "routine" stops, maybe three will result in a "request."

You must be a cop magnet. You might want to change your "style."

[Phoenix]

It's the dumb sh*ts that say "sure, go ahead" while praying the cop won't find whatever they have stashed that get busted.


If you are squeaky clean, it still doesn't matter. The cop may find an "unusual" amount of cash in your car or wallet, and though "criminal" charges are dropped or even never filed, you will be fighting a herculean uphill battle against "civil forfeiture," having to "prove" you actually earned it "legally."

[Phoenix]

Regarding searches, the answer is simple:


"Just say 'NO'!".


"You don't mind if I take a look in your car, right?"

:o

[Phoenix]

My experience is having a concealed weapons permit puts you in a different light if you do get pulled over. Right off the top you are seen as "not one of the assholes".

My CCW is attached to my drivers license.

That and being polite and recognizing what it would be like if I was the one stopping a strange vehicle out on the road.

CC




In many if not most jurisdictions, getting pulled over with a CCW means the cop will contact the issuing agency to verify the validity of the CCW. And then you'll be getting a phone call or letter from the issuing agency, asking you to explain why you had "police contact." Some will pull the CCW.

If you have a CCW, DON'T get pulled over.

[Joe King]

Here's someone consenting who should have said no.

Notice how the poice officer "plays nice" by offering a warning, {to lower the drivers guard} and then immediately explains the real reason for the stop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by8I2xUI818



Although from 12 years ago, this is a good one that shows how they can be so friendly when they think you're helping them to bust you.
In this situation they used a bogus excuse to pull them over simply because they wanted to search the car.
Which is when you should really say no.

If this had been recent, the guys on the bikes might have got arrested for interfering with police and the video might not exist as they'd probably use color of law to intimidate them from recording.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q01eMEVBn_k&feature=related

[k-os]

Thanks, Joe King for not derailing my thread. That was very considerate of you. As far as now having an asterisk on my drivers license and being at risk of being pulled over in the future - I am not worried about that. I don't do anything illegal, normally. I won't even let people have a roadie in my car, and I almost never speed. Really. I certainly would not have been speeding last night if I had known I was speeding. I had just entered the highway, and I was going with traffic. Apparently we were all speeding.

I find the responses very interesting, and wildcard's "pie hole" comment made me spit out my water all over my shirt. Thanks, I need a new laptop.

I stand by my decisions last night with the cops. There was no way I was going to get myself arrested. Who was I going to call to bail me out? Outlaw? It's not like I am home where a close friend or relative could help me.

[sirgonzo420]

I have refused many searches and "got away" clean.


How many times are you getting stopped? Out of ten "routine" stops, maybe three will result in a "request."

You must be a cop magnet. You might want to change your "style."


I used to be a "cop magnet"; not so much anymore.

The combination of my car and my dreadlocks made me an appetizing target for police looking for drug charges I suppose.

Back in the day, pot seeds and stems littered my floorboards, but I always kept multiple jackets and sweatshirts in my backseat so I could toss them over any visible contraband.

That's pretty much all you have to do - make sure there is nothing "illegal" visible from the outside of the car, and deny any attempt at getting your consent to a search.

I have been pulled over multiple times, and have been asked for consent to search about half the time, and never have had a REAL problem. I've had friends that have consented to searches, and paid for it, sometimes for months.

Cops will try different little things to try to gain your consent... like threatening to search without consent (to which I'd reply "I can't really control what you decide to do, but I *can* and *do* deny my consent"), threatening to "call the dogs", or asking me "why not? what have you got to hide?". I tell them I don't ever let strangers go through my things.

If they want to search unlawfully, they will, and then it will be dismissed in court. In my experience, that has not been necessary. Each time I've been asked for consent to search, I have denied that consent, and have been free to go no more than a few minutes after.

I have known several people who thought the cops would "take it easy" on them if they would just consent to a search or show them their contraband. They were pretty much always wrong, and got charged with something, whilst my record remains clean.

My hair is no longer dreaded, but it is still long. I think my car at the time contributed to the stops.

[sirgonzo420]

Regarding searches, the answer is simple:


"Just say 'NO'!".


"You don't mind if I take a look in your car, right?"

:o


Haha!

In another post I mentioned that cops sometimes ask questions in the manner you just did, so I recommend people say:

"I don't consent to any searches."

[1970 silver art]

K-os,

Most people usually speed in the 55 MPH zone on I-24 and on I-75. Once you approach the last few miles of Georgia and enter Tennessee and the Chattanooga area, the speed limit drops to 55 MPH but most people still go about 60 to 65 MPH. I was going close to 65 MPH on I-24 when I was heading back home but I got off at the same exit that I got off when we headed to the pizza place. The police must have been further down the interstate because I did not see any cop cars while I was briefly on I-24.

[Fortyone]

Driving around with dope in the car is retarded to begin with. Sorry, I dont care if one uses, but dont look for sympathy if you leave it in the glovebox or open in the trunk.My policy is to avoid contact with LEO at all, and if I am pulled over, just go along with their stupid search, they will find nothing if there is nothing there.The courtroom is inside a building, not the side of a highway,you have no jury, and even if you say "no" and he plants a bag of weed, you have no better defense anyway. fight the better fight not the stupid fight.

[Heimdhal]

My experience is having a concealed weapons permit puts you in a different light if you do get pulled over. Right off the top you are seen as "not one of the assholes".

My CCW is attached to my drivers license.

That and being polite and recognizing what it would be like if I was the one stopping a strange vehicle out on the road.

CC




In many if not most jurisdictions, getting pulled over with a CCW means the cop will contact the issuing agency to verify the validity of the CCW. And then you'll be getting a phone call or letter from the issuing agency, asking you to explain why you had "police contact." Some will pull the CCW.

If you have a CCW, DON'T get pulled over.


What are you talking about? Where do you get some of this stuff? In quite a few states, my state of Florida included, there is not "duty to inform" if you are carrying in your vehicle and get stopped, CCW or not. THere is also no link to your DL and you CCW permit, so the cop wont have any idea if you even have a one unless you tell him.

It is recomended you show them your license AND your permit at the same time and inform them you are carrying simply because it helps the cop feel better that general you arent one of the "bad ones" and if they find out later you are indeed carrying and didnt tell them, they may get a little antsy about that, but in many states you are no required to do so.

In some states you ARE required to do so. Rarley, if ever, does getting pulled over get your CCW permit pulled. Maybe out in your commie state they do, since its a "may issue" state instead of "Shall issue".

I was pulled over about 7 months ago by high way patrol. Showed the guy my license and permit and told him I had the gun on my hip. Dude didnt even bat an eyelash, said thansk for letting me know and checked it all out.

I havent heard a thing from the "issuing agency" (dept of agri, in florida) about any police contact, and no one else I've talked to has ever, ever, ever mentioned it at a remote possibility.


Stop imagining things.

[willie pete]

Thanks, Joe King for not derailing my thread. That was very considerate of you. As far as now having an asterisk on my drivers license and being at risk of being pulled over in the future - I am not worried about that. I don't do anything illegal, normally. I won't even let people have a roadie in my car, and I almost never speed. Really. I certainly would not have been speeding last night if I had known I was speeding. I had just entered the highway, and I was going with traffic. Apparently we were all speeding.

I find the responses very interesting, and wildcard's "pie hole" comment made me spit out my water all over my shirt. Thanks, I need a new laptop.

I stand by my decisions last night with the cops. There was no way I was going to get myself arrested. Who was I going to call to bail me out? Outlaw? It's not like I am home where a close friend or relative could help me.


k-os.....you're SO Lucky....that whole situation you described could've gone way,way south for you....contraband, firearms, cash... :o ...and there could've been a way to get arrested too....personally I'd never consent to a search, the only thing it'd cost me would be time, there's never anything illegal in my car, and I'm always skeptical of the drug-dogs, the cops are walking them around and then all of a sudden, "he's alerting, he's alerting", which THEN gives them Probable cause, and so what if they don't find anything, it's then: "well the dog made a mistake", so they're still covered in court

[Joe King]

Thanks, Joe King for not derailing my thread. That was very considerate of you.
You're welcome.
But I kinda figured that this topic would generate some responses and your thread will end up being long enough by the time your magical mystery tour is complete, so here it is.



As far as now having an asterisk on my drivers license and being at risk of being pulled over in the future - I am not worried about that. I don't do anything illegal, normally. I won't even let people have a roadie in my car, and I almost never speed. Really. I certainly would not have been speeding last night if I had known I was speeding.
Yea, active avoidance is always the preferred way.



I had just entered the highway, and I was going with traffic. Apparently we were all speeding. That's like goin' fishing when the fish are biting good. Cops love that sh!t.
i.e. aim the radar gun and then pull over any car you want to.



I find the responses very interesting, and wildcard's "pie hole" comment made me spit out my water all over my shirt. Thanks, I need a new laptop.

I stand by my decisions last night with the cops. There was no way I was going to get myself arrested. Who was I going to call to bail me out? Outlaw? It's not like I am home where a close friend or relative could help me.
Yea, considering the circumstances you came out of it as well as could reasonably be expected for having been out of your element to the degree you were.
Besides, I got the impression that you were a bit unsure of where exactly you stood in relation to the law, and the police can smell that like a dog can smell fear.


Let me be clear. I would never suggest trying to stand up for your Rights with a police officer if you aren't sure about it yourself.
Because he'll test you and if you fail his little test, you can probably expect a more beligerant attitude from him as he'll really start throwing his weight around.

However, IMHO the only reason the police act like they do is because they are so used to people allowing themselves to be pushed around and basicly intimidated by them.

By "act like they do" I mean that they know how to flaunt their authority in a manner that usually gets them what they want.
It's sometimes called acting under color of law.



Just be careful and try your best not to give them a reason to stop you again. :) We don't want to read any more posts like that one. lol

[wildcard]

K, everyone speeds coming into TN on the interstates. It's a speed trap really where the limit goes to 55, but everyone is still going interstate speeds.

Slow down and live your life right. :D

[Tumbleweed]

sirgonzo420
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Just stand your ground, and don't consent to sh*t.
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and don't be keepin no brownies loaded with pot in your fridgerator ;)

Throw those things out and get some beer or whiskey!!! ;D

[Phoenix]

In many if not most jurisdictions, getting pulled over with a CCW means the cop will contact the issuing agency to verify the validity of the CCW. And then you'll be getting a phone call or letter from the issuing agency, asking you to explain why you had "police contact." Some will pull the CCW.

If you have a CCW, DON'T get pulled over.


What are you talking about? Where do you get some of this stuff?...Stop imagining things.


Please pull your cranium out of your rectal cavity and do some research.

In a non-DL-]if they know[/i] you had "contact" with the police. Often, they don't know, and almost never know when verification of CCW doesn't occur.

The point is, if you value your CCW, don't get yourself stopped. You may get off, the issuing agency might not find out, but then, the issuing might find out, and want to know why you "committed a crime." Even in shall-issue states, being "law-abiding" is a requirement.

[Heimdhal]

In many if not most jurisdictions, getting pulled over with a CCW means the cop will contact the issuing agency to verify the validity of the CCW. And then you'll be getting a phone call or letter from the issuing agency, asking you to explain why you had "police contact." Some will pull the CCW.

If you have a CCW, DON'T get pulled over.


What are you talking about? Where do you get some of this stuff?...Stop imagining things.


Please pull your cranium out of your rectal cavity and do some research.

In a non-DL-]if they know[/i] you had "contact" with the police. Often, they don't know, and almost never know when verification of CCW doesn't occur.

The point is, if you value your CCW, don't get yourself stopped. You may get off, the issuing agency might not find out, but then, the issuing might find out, and want to know why you "committed a crime." Even in shall-issue states, being "law-abiding" is a requirement.


Like I said, maybe in the 'may issue' states, but it is so incredibly uncommon in most of the shall issues states it doesnt even come up as an issue. I have police in my family, and am incredibly active in the florida gun world and I have yet to hear of a single case of this actualy happening over a speeding ticket.

Sure, it could happen if you rack of some felony "evading" charges or some such, but general moving violations are not gonna get your permit pulled

[madfranks]

Gonzo is right about how you look facilitating more pull overs. In high school/early college I worked for a pizza joint and drove a '73 el camino. We'd close shop on weekends well after midnight and I'd get pulled over more in that car than in any other. They'd always say something like I was swerving or was acting drunk, but never bothered to search my car after figuring out I was a 19 year old kid who smelled like pizza. If you look nice and drive a nice car, you won't get the cops attention.

[Joe King]

Gonzo is right about how you look facilitating more pull overs. In high school/early college I worked for a pizza joint and drove a '73 el camino. We'd close shop on weekends well after midnight and I'd get pulled over more in that car than in any other. They'd always say something like I was swerving or was acting drunk, but never bothered to search my car after figuring out I was a 19 year old kid who smelled like pizza. If you look nice and drive a nice car, you won't get the cops attention.

IMO, that is one of the bigger problems with police officers.

The fact they judge people so often strictly by outward appearances.
Especially when things like racial profiling {stereotyping} are not supposed to be the determining factor.

It's no wonder people write songs like this about them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKVtMb5E1_Q

It's prolly a good thing that k-os wasn't jammin' to that when she got pulled over. lol