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chad
24th August 2010, 12:17 PM
holy shit :o

http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2010/08/24/full-body-scan-technology-deployed-in-street-roving-vans/

Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans
As the privacy controversy around full-body security scans begins to simmer, it’s worth noting that courthouses and airport security checkpoints aren’t the only places where backscatter x-ray vision is being deployed. The same technology, capable of seeing through clothes and walls, has also been rolling out on U.S. streets.

American Science & Engineering, a company based in Billerica, Massachusetts, has sold U.S. and foreign government agencies more than 500 backscatter x-ray scanners mounted in vans that can be driven past neighboring vehicles to see their contents, Joe Reiss, a vice president of marketing at the company told me in an interview. While the biggest buyer of AS&E’s machines over the last seven years has been the Department of Defense operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, Reiss says law enforcement agencies have also deployed the vans to search for vehicle-based bombs in the U.S.

“This product is now the largest selling cargo and vehicle inspection system ever,” says Reiss.

The Z Backscatter Vans, or ZBVs, as the company calls them, bounce a narrow stream of x-rays off and through nearby objects, and read which ones come back. Absorbed rays indicate dense material such as steel. Scattered rays indicate less-dense objects that can include explosives, drugs, or human bodies. That capability makes them powerful tools for security, law enforcement, and border control.

It would also seem to make the vans mobile versions of the same scanning technique that’s riled privacy advocates as it’s been deployed in airports around the country. The Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) is currently suing the DHS to stop airport deployments of the backscatter scanners, which can reveal detailed images of human bodies. (Just how much detail became clear last May, when TSA employee Rolando Negrin was charged with assaulting a coworker who made jokes about the size of Negrin’s genitalia after Negrin received a full-body scan.)

“It’s no surprise that goverments and vendors are very enthusiastic about [the vans],” says Marc Rotenberg, executive director of EPIC. “But from a privacy perspective, it’s one of the most intrusive technologies conceivable.”

AS&E’s Reiss counters privacy critics by pointing out that the ZBV scans don’t capture nearly as much detail of human bodies as their airport counterparts. The company’s marketing materials say that its “primary purpose is to image vehicles and their contents,” and that “the system cannot be used to identify an individual, or the race, sex or age of the person.”

Though Reiss admits that the systems “to a large degree will penetrate clothing,” he points to the lack of features in images of humans like the one shown at right, far less detail than is obtained from the airport scans. “From a privacy standpoint, I’m hard-pressed to see what the concern or objection could be,” he says.

But EPIC’s Rotenberg says that the scans, like those in the airport, potentially violate the fourth amendment. “Without a warrant, the government doesn’t have a right to peer beneath your clothes without probable cause,” he says. Even airport scans are typically used only as a secondary security measure, he points out. “If the scans can only be used in exceptional cases in airports, the idea that they can be used routinely on city streets is a very hard argument to make.”

The TSA’s official policy dictates that full-body scans must be viewed in a separate room from any guards dealing directly with subjects of the scans, and that the scanners won’t save any images. Just what sort of safeguards might be in place for AS&E’s scanning vans isn’t clear, given that the company won’t reveal just which law enforcement agencies, organizations within the DHS, or foreign governments have purchased the equipment. Reiss says AS&E has customers on “all continents except Antarctica.”

Reiss adds that the vans do have the capability of storing images. “Sometimes customers need to save images for evidentiary reasons,” he says. “We do what our customers need.”

TheNocturnalEgyptian
24th August 2010, 01:30 PM
Aaaaaand it's here. Only 8 short months ago, Americans said, "FUCK THIS!" when discussing body scanners. We few on the boards knew it would only be a matter of time before they were in the streets. I didn't know it'd be the SAME YEAR!

Cebu_4_2
24th August 2010, 02:08 PM
Aaaaaand it's here. Only 8 short months ago, Americans said, "f*ck THIS!" when discussing body scanners. We few on the boards knew it would only be a matter of time before they were in the streets. I didn't know it'd be the SAME YEAR!


I read about these last year, had pictures of the vans too. No clue where I read it though.

ShortJohnSilver
24th August 2010, 04:47 PM
So how do you identify one of these vans?

TheNocturnalEgyptian
24th August 2010, 05:09 PM
So how do you identify one of these vans?


Guess you need your own backscatter xray to do so.


Just found this home-made EMP gun: http://www.amazing1.com/Graphics/emp400.jpg

goldmonkey
24th August 2010, 05:14 PM
http://i38.tinypic.com/2gspiqu.jpg

http://www.as-e.com/products_solutions/zbv.asp

http://www.as-e.com/products_solutions/z_backscatter.asp

MNeagle
24th August 2010, 05:18 PM
http://i38.tinypic.com/2gspiqu.jpg

http://www.as-e.com/products_solutions/zbv.asp

http://www.as-e.com/products_solutions/z_backscatter.asp



Hmm, maybe that ice cream truck prowling the neighborhood isn't really an ice cream truck!!

Kali
24th August 2010, 05:46 PM
The newer vans also have a snake like gadget that can slide out up to 250 ft to physically perform body cavity checks.

It is said to pierce through jeans like butter.

Book
24th August 2010, 05:56 PM
http://www.affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/total_recall_skeleton.jpg

Heimdhal
24th August 2010, 06:40 PM
"The proper stand off distance for a shaped charge should be 1.5 times the diameter of the charge itself to achieve the greatest cutting force of thrust into the desired object".



Also objects in our around 1/3 of an inch in diameter, weighing 100 grains to 200 grains propelled at great speeds are said to disrupt nearly all delicate electronics fairly well, even at distance.

goldmonkey
24th August 2010, 06:41 PM
“Unfortunately, the Z Backscatter Vans, or ZBVs, as the company calls them, are totally incapable of seeing wetbacks,” says Reiss.

Joe King
24th August 2010, 06:44 PM
Vans? That's nothing.

Just wait 'til the helicoptor version comes out. lol

skid
24th August 2010, 09:47 PM
Maybe the clowns that operate the equipment will get cancer from it?

General of Darkness
24th August 2010, 09:53 PM
I swear, is it just me, or does the world that we live in just suck? There are times like these that I really ask myself, "At what point do I say fuck this place", and just get off the grid, but then I realize that, that would just piss me off more. No where to run, no where to hide. :soap

k-os
25th August 2010, 07:10 AM
Maybe the clowns that operate the equipment will get cancer from it?


What if WE get cancer from them?

Twisted Titan
25th August 2010, 09:55 AM
I swear, is it just me, or does the world that we live in just suck? There are times like these that I really ask myself, "At what point do I say f*ck this place", and just get off the grid, but then I realize that, that would just piss me off more. No where to run, no where to hide. :soap










http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igt-jW4e8ts