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Ares
25th August 2010, 05:30 PM
All Gun Owners, Hunters and Shooters:

With the fall hunting season fast approaching, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) under Lisa Jackson, who was responsible for banning bear hunting in New Jersey, is now considering a petition by the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD) – a leading anti-hunting organization – to ban all traditional ammunition under the Toxic Substance Control Act of 1976, a law in which Congress expressly exempted ammunition. If the EPA approves the petition, the result will be a total ban on all ammunition containing lead-core components, including hunting and target-shooting rounds. The EPA must decide to accept or reject this petition by November 1, 2010, the day before the midterm elections.

Today, the EPA has opened to public comment the CBD petition. The comment period ends on October 31, 2010.

The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) — the trade association for the firearms, ammunition, hunting and shooting sports industry — urges you to submit comment to the EPA opposing any ban on traditional ammunition. Remember, your right to choose the ammunition you hunt and shoot with is at stake.

The EPA has published the petition and relevant supplemental information as Docket ID: EPA-HQ-OPPT-2010-0681. If you would like to read the original petition and see the contents of this docket folder, please click here. In order to go directly to the ‘submit a comment’ page for this docket number, please click here.

NSSF urges you to stress the following in your opposition:

* There is no scientific evidence that the use of traditional ammunition is having an adverse impact on wildlife populations.

* Wildlife management is the proper jurisdiction of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and the 50 state wildlife agencies.

* A 2008 study by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on blood lead levels of North Dakota hunters confirmed that consuming game harvested with traditional ammunition does not pose a human health risk.

* A ban on traditional ammunition would have a negative impact on wildlife conservation. The federal excise tax that manufacturers pay on the sale of the ammunition (11 percent) is a primary source of wildlife conservation funding. The bald eagle’s recovery, considered to be a great conservation success story, was made possible and funded by hunters using traditional ammunition – the very ammunition organizations like the CBD are now demonizing.

* Recent statistics from the United States Fish and Wildlife Service show that from 1981 to 2006 the number of breeding pairs of bald eagles in the United States increased 724 percent. And much like the bald eagle, raptor populations throughout the United States are soaring.

Steps to take:

1. Submit comment online to the EPA.

2. Contact Lisa Jackson directly to voice your opposition to the ban:

Lisa P. Jackson
Administrator, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
1200 Pennsylvania Ave., NW
Washington, DC 20460
(202) 564-4700
Fax: (202) 501-1450
Email: jackson.lisa@epa.gov

http://www.nssfblog.com/epa-considering-ban-on-traditional-ammunition-take-action-now/

EE_
25th August 2010, 05:43 PM
Toxic Substance Control Act?
Where does Corexit fit in this study?

Spectrism
25th August 2010, 05:47 PM
Would such a ban also apply to cops, batf, fbi, nda, irs?

Ares
25th August 2010, 05:50 PM
Would such a ban also apply to cops, batf, fbi, nda, irs?


Of course not, laws are just for us, not the government.

mike88
25th August 2010, 05:51 PM
how about depleted uranium munitions?

Phoenix
25th August 2010, 06:02 PM
I guess we'll have to expend all that "illegal" ammunition somehow.



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Rebel Yarr
25th August 2010, 09:23 PM
Works for me - make steel core legal first though.

zap
25th August 2010, 09:25 PM
Toxic Substance Control Act?
Where does Corexit fit in this study?


What about lead flashings on all these tile roofs, the rain water will wash some lead off into the streams and rivers. :sarc:

Glass
25th August 2010, 09:38 PM
The only action you should take is to write on a piece of paper and send it. Do not do it on line. Send it and get a receipt.

I wouldn't expect there to be any type of replacement ammo.

still afloat
26th August 2010, 06:38 AM
I see cast bullets from lead free pewter being added to the reloading supplies.

Then again it could make Lone Rangers out of all of us , can you say Silver Bullets?

chad
26th August 2010, 06:51 AM
I've long maintained that gun control will be via ammunition control instead. Without ammo, firearms are just blunt objects.

Twisted Titan
26th August 2010, 07:08 AM
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Saul Mine
26th August 2010, 11:20 AM
NSSF urges you to stress the following in your opposition:

The advice is off the track. Opposition to this is that EPA has no lawful authority to make laws or to ignore laws made by Congress.

You would think a group formed for this purpose would know that.

JDRock
26th August 2010, 01:19 PM
...a ban on lead goes MUCH deeper than this. It is the ONLY metal that can TOTALLY stop electronic/sattelite surveilance of any kind...its cheap, easily attainable .....

SLV^GLD
26th August 2010, 01:46 PM
...a ban on lead goes MUCH deeper than this. It is the ONLY metal that can TOTALLY stop electronic/sattelite surveilance of any kind...its cheap, easily attainable .....
The ban is on lead in Ammunition, otherwise the ban is already in place. Lead can still be obtained it just cannot be packaged as bullets to be sprayed anywhere a shooter chooses. I'm not in support of this, just pointing out the fact the ban is already in place and ammunition is currently an exclusion to the ban. The proposal is to drop the exclusion.

Finally, lead is NOT the only material to stop particles and waves. This property is a feature of lead's density. Silver and Gold come to mind as 2 metals with significantly higher densities. Tungsten and Uranium spring to mind as well. These metals should block more with less thickness than lead will. You are correct that lead would be the cheapest of the dense-enough materials to procure. Gold would be considerably easier to work with and exponentially safer.

Wandering Wastrel
26th August 2010, 05:07 PM
You know, sometimes I wish we'd all just quit this pussyfooting around, and start killing each other and get it over with. It's only a matter of time at this point, so why wait any more?

That's when I realize I've been on the internet too much and I really do need to go take a nice nap and calm back down...

Ponce
26th August 2010, 06:29 PM
Something else that you can pass on to your children and grand children's after you die........your stash of bullet.

Someday bullets will be very hard to find and those having them will treasure them as we treasured gold.

Fortyone
26th August 2010, 06:49 PM
...a ban on lead goes MUCH deeper than this. It is the ONLY metal that can TOTALLY stop electronic/sattelite surveilance of any kind...its cheap, easily attainable .....
The ban is on lead in Ammunition, otherwise the ban is already in place. Lead can still be obtained it just cannot be packaged as bullets to be sprayed anywhere a shooter chooses. I'm not in support of this, just pointing out the fact the ban is already in place and ammunition is currently an exclusion to the ban. The proposal is to drop the exclusion.

Finally, lead is NOT the only material to stop particles and waves. This property is a feature of lead's density. Silver and Gold come to mind as 2 metals with significantly higher densities. Tungsten and Uranium spring to mind as well. These metals should block more with less thickness than lead will. You are correct that lead would be the cheapest of the dense-enough materials to procure. Gold would be considerably easier to work with and exponentially safer.



Think bigger, what will they make bullets out of then? Steel bullets would wear out barrels almost immediately, copper or brass lack the expansion abilities. I know! they wont make them!

Rebel Yarr
26th August 2010, 08:16 PM
A core of steel instead of lead - copper jacketed steel aka steel core.

SLV^GLD
27th August 2010, 05:52 AM
A core of steel instead of lead - copper jacketed steel aka steel core.
Pure genius!! I can't believe you managed to think of that all on your own! You would have thought we would have invented such a thing by now. Oh, wait....

(Sarcasm directed to Fortyone)

JDRock
29th August 2010, 08:26 AM
...a ban on lead goes MUCH deeper than this. It is the ONLY metal that can TOTALLY stop electronic/sattelite surveilance of any kind...its cheap, easily attainable .....
The ban is on lead in Ammunition, otherwise the ban is already in place. Lead can still be obtained it just cannot be packaged as bullets to be sprayed anywhere a shooter chooses. I'm not in support of this, just pointing out the fact the ban is already in place and ammunition is currently an exclusion to the ban. The proposal is to drop the exclusion.

Finally, lead is NOT the only material to stop particles and waves. This property is a feature of lead's density. Silver and Gold come to mind as 2 metals with significantly higher densities. Tungsten and Uranium spring to mind as well. These metals should block more with less thickness than lead will. You are correct that lead would be the cheapest of the dense-enough materials to procure. Gold would be considerably easier to work with and exponentially safer.


:oo-->....ok, we will all melt down our GOLD to wrap out electronics in :oo-->....and...SURE, the gov will stop at ammunition, they wont go beyond THAT! :oo-->