Should I take another job?

[Low_five]

I got a job offer with the same company in a different city. theres a lot of pros, but a few cons

pros
-inside job, wheras my current job is outside in the elements (im in Alaska)
-more technical and interesting job
-wont have to look at my foreman with his mullet haircut and handlebar mustache and his nascar stories every day.
-will get training where at my current position they refuse to train me and make me do crappy work because they know I work hard
-bigger city that actually plays current movies and has a home depot and other modern comforts you people take for granted
-cheaper gas prices (2.00 something versus 4.00 something)
-I hate my current job and the people I work with
-have some family there

cons
-Im currently on an island of 2000 or so people with tons of fish and wild game, so theoretically I could survive forever, and zombies from other cities cant just drive on over when shtf
-much colder weather up there in city of a million or so
-much more traffic (we only have on traffic light)
-I have to sell my huge house with a bad roof and other little things
-wife has friends and doesnt want to move
-I have two really good friends here
-zombies can migrate down to warmer weather and screw up your sht-fan plans

They actually offered me this job last year, but my regional manager pretended like he was going to give me a bunch of training but he didnt come through with it, so Im not going to try to negotiate this time.


what would you do?
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[wildcard]

I'd stay. Having all that you have and friends you can trust is worth more than anything else. Fix the roof and start watching nascar. ;D

[Gaillo]

I'd stay. Having all that you have and friends you can trust is worth more than anything else. Fix the roof and start watching nascar. ;D


This.

[Neuro]

Your foreman may have a tragic fishing accident?

[Liquid]

Low-five, personally, I'd stay. It sounds like the main pros of leaving, is to improve your work situation. It comes down to, whether you want to live to work, or work to live...

There are ways of improving your current work situation.

You've got a great life there, where you are at. I'd think twice about moving for some creature comforts and what you think may be a job improvement, however all jobs come with their grips.

I've gone through several career changes. I started with an indoor job, migrated to an outdoor one. I know the outdoor jobs have their days where you just think "man, this sucks, put me in an indoor place that's comfortable". However, I believe men weren't designed to be trapped inside all day long. I'll take the beating, to come home at the end of the day and just appreciate, home.

Give this a lot of thought.

[MNeagle]

You didn't mention if this would be a lateral move or a promotion.

I'd look for another job on your island if possible.

Work is easily 1/3 of your waking hours, and life's too short to be in a job 'you hate'.

Your roof will have to be fixed either way. I doubt you could sell it 'as is'.

You'd want to compare housing costs, taxes, et al. in addition to grocery, gas, medical costs of the two cities.

You were offered a move once before & turned it down. Are you having regrets? If so, maybe you need to listen to your gut & take the opportunity.

Either way, best of luck & let us know your final decision!!

[sunshine05]

You didn't mention if this would be a lateral move or a promotion.

I'd look for another job on your island if possible.

Work is easily 1/3 of your waking hours, and life's too short to be in a job 'you hate'.

Your roof will have to be fixed either way. I doubt you could sell it 'as is'.

You'd want to compare housing costs, taxes, et al. in addition to grocery, gas, medical costs of the two cities.

You were offered a move once before & turned it down. Are you having regrets? If so, maybe you need to listen to your gut & take the opportunity.

Either way, best of luck & let us know your final decision!!


Great post! That about sums up what I was going to say. I would go if it is more money. If you don't, and lose your job or quit because you hate it what other opportunities do you have there? You can still live in a rural area at the new location (hopefully) and commute to work.

[Sparky]

It seems like your biggest conflict for moving is that your wife wants to stay.

[Twisted Titan]

TRuth be told now is the time to hunkering down.

Creature comforts are paramount, you have understanding on the lay of the land and Good friends are worth far more than you can put a price on.

Update your homestead and get ready Cause it aint gonna be pretty when the next leg down hits.

All the best either way.


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[chad]

i'd stay. i'f momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. plus, you are zombie proof. in all zombie movies the intent on the part of the survivors is to find "an island." you are already there.

[ximmy]

It seems like your biggest conflict for moving is that your wife wants to stay.


If you could sell your wife on the idea that trying new things in life can be enriching...

[sirgonzo420]

It seems like your biggest conflict for moving is that your wife wants to stay.


If you could sell your wife...


If only, if only!

;D

[sunshine05]

It seems like your biggest conflict for moving is that your wife wants to stay.


If you could sell your wife...


If only, if only!

;D


LOL My husband wears a t-shirt that says "will sell wife for beer" and always gets compliments on it.

[horseshoe3]

There are ways of improving your current work situation.



Yah, Like Neuro said!

[Joe King]

They actually offered me this job last year, but my regional manager pretended like he was going to give me a bunch of training but he didnt come through with it, so Im not going to try to negotiate this time.
what would you do?
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IMHO, that'd be a mistake either way you decide to go.
If it were me and depending on just how valuable I was to the regional manager and especially the people I directly work for, now would be the time I'd write my own check, so to speak.

The fact that the regional mgr didn't follow through is a plus for you this time.
Also, if the job you actually do is at all difficult to find a replacement for that's a big plus.
I'd get all my ducks in a row and then go see just how far I can bend the regional guy over the proverbial barrel.

Just make sure to get everything in writing this time, so if he doesn't follow through, you can.


btw, asking the question you asked on here was like asking a small child if they would rather stay home and eat candy or go out to eat for broccoli. :D

Also, is your wife going to be reading these responses? lol

[Low_five]

wow pretty overwhelming opinion to stay. I dont think I made it clear how much I dislike my foreman though. The job is the same pay, but its a more prestigious job, I guess is the word, and its inside out of the elements working closely with two or three other guys. My current job is a bunch of outside work dealing with customers (idiots) and the inside job doesnt deal with customers.

so If I were to negotiate how would I word it? as an angry letter that you havent given me such and such waa waa, or polite heres your chance to make things right? I have written proof that he didnt come through with his promises.

my old lady will be looking at this, but shes got a good sense of humor.

[chad]

not to belabor this, but bosses aren't supposed to be fun to get along with, that's why they're your boss. cool ones you click with are 1% of the labor market.

it would really suck to pull up, move, and then find out the new guy is even worse, only now you're surrounded by zombies and your wife is pissed.

i hope she reads this :D

[wildcard]

Ask for raise and they pay for the move. Make it worth my time! But you'll regret it.

[Joe King]

so If I were to negotiate how would I word it? as an angry letter that you havent given me such and such waa waa, or polite heres your chance to make things right? I have written proof that he didnt come through with his promises.

Unless you know they'll respond to anger in a positive way, I wouldn't use an angry tone.

Just be polite and explain the aspects you don't currently like, while also reinforcing that you're a company man who would like both parties to end up in a win-win situation and that you're asking for his assistance in the matter.
Do so while reminding him of the prior broken promises.
Be frank and firm, yet polite.

Think ahead of time about what it would take to make you want to stay right where you are.
....and let him know.

But if you take this approach it all comes down to just how much value you actually have to him.
So make sure that your true value is abundantly apparent to both sides when going into these negotiations.

[SHTF2010]

wow pretty overwhelming opinion to stay. I dont think I made it clear how much I dislike my foreman though. The job is the same pay, but its a more prestigious job, I guess is the word, and its inside out of the elements working closely with two or three other guys. My current job is a bunch of outside work dealing with customers (idiots) and the inside job doesnt deal with customers.

my old lady will be looking at this, but shes got a good sense of humor.


is your boss a sheeple ?
when TSHTF,
how many of these 2000 people may think about leaving the island for a larger population
( sheeple thinking > safety in numbers / more food )


STAY on the island

[k-os]

It seems like your biggest conflict for moving is that your wife wants to stay.


That is the most important conflict to consider, but there are several others - zombies. Just because you are not afraid of them, doesn't mean you shouldn't be. ;D

I say stay. Choose to be happy and enrich your life in other ways, outside of work. That's what I have always done, when I hated my job.

It doesn't seem to me that you have enough of a reason to move. Being paid more money wouldn't even sweeten the pot enough for me to move from zombie-free-land.

Like it has been said before . . . what if the people you work with at the next job are worse? You won't know until you've moved and pissed off your wife.

[Heimdhal]

It sounds like you will seriously regret the move, for multiple reasons.

I understand NOT wanting ot be at a job you hate (i cant even count how many i've quit, lol), but if thats the biggest factor in the move and everythign else you greatly enjoy (and your wife as well) it sounds like youll all regret it.

[EE_]

Stay there and get rid of the boss and move up at the same time!
Don't be afraid to get dirty, I'm here to help you!

10 things you can do
1. Write/send a nasty letter to someone that sounds like nobama on your bosses stationary with his signature.
2. Plant some crack and gay porn in his car and anonomously report a car weaving on the road.
3. Hire a black prostitute to rub up on him at a disclosed location where a photo can be taken.
4. Hire gay men and women to call his home late at night and hopefully the wife answers to hear a prepared jilted lover story.
5. Help him lose important paperwork on a regular basis.
6. Send test result notices to his home from a STD clinic.
7. Log on to gay porn sites from his computer.
8. Steal from other employees and hide the stuff in his office.
9. Send letters to his supervisor stating a behavior change.
10. Take over some of his important duties and say he told you to do them.
Hope this helps!

The above is all a joke and is only meant to make you laugh...or is it?

[Low_five]

I dont want to cross the bridge over to the point where the person seeking advice starts to argue with all the advisors, and I hear what you're saying about bosses are supposed to be bosses. But just take my word for it, that this boss is different. Ill just leave it at that.

Im really bored at my job, and the bulk of it is doing stuff that is going to die away pretty soon (land line phones) The other job is doing huge data circuits, routers, etc. - stuff I want to learn but they wont teach me here, over there it wont be a special gift bestowed perk to learn it - it will actually be my job. I do love the freedom of an outside job though.

MNeagle, I am having regrets for not taking the job last year. living costs are WAY cheaper in Anchorage than in Kodiak. Its not any more money, its exactly the same money and a raise is not negotiable (union job) I know, my eventual goal is to get out of the union and into management or a design job that isnt union.

My wife woud be pretty upset that we are moving from her friends, but Im going to convince her to sign up and see if she wants to say anything.

hunkering down, like twisted said, is what I naturally want to do, and I hate moving.

Ive decided to negotiate and see what I can get out of my current manager, but pay isnt going to be on the table at all, unless he fires my current foreman and hires me as the foreman at foreman pay. chances of that are slim to none.

shtf2010 - the boss is totally a sheeple. bush loving, oil spill was no big deal, stocks this stocks that, apple product using, sheeple. I dont think anyone here would leave if shtf. I dont think anyone could if shtf hard enough. 100+ miles over water to nearest city connected to a road connected to the rest of the world.


I have a bad problem with doing things and not caring about if Ill regret it or not, I just do it and if I regret it, I do something else. If I regret that, I do something else.


good list EE.

[learn2swim]

These days and considering the future, I would stay and suck it up..

[chad]

it sounds as if you already made your mind up before you even posted the question, and you were just looking for voices to reinforce your decision.

[BabushkaLady]

I like to always suggest the option of being Self-Employed.

Most people think they can't replace X dollars a year, but look at it like replacing just your "take-home" per week. It's such a smaller number to tackle.

Business write-offs and freedom are so very nice! Good Luck!

P.S. I almost guessed the island, but the one red light has me stumped. Cordova isn't an island, so I just don't know . . .

[Liquid]

hunkering down, like twisted said, is what I naturally want to do, and I hate moving.


Lowfive, keep in mind, there's folks (myself included) that are living in collapse epicenters..of course, we are going to say stay. An island secluded from zombies is a dream for most of us. ;D

I would not move for a job, if I were you. If there were other reasons, consider them, but for a job?

If you are happy with where you live...that, is the most important thing in life. A job is just a means, imo.

[Low_five]

it sounds as if you already made your mind up before you even posted the question, and you were just looking for voices to reinforce your decision.


Nah, I actually changed my mind from absolutely going to take the job (with nagging fears) to about half and half with concerns each way. I think I might stay but get as much out of them as I can.

[zap]

Sounds to me like you want to jump from the frying pan, right into the fire.


The grass is always greener on the other side, (Til ya get there)

[Low_five]

I like to always suggest the option of being Self-Employed.

Most people think they can't replace X dollars a year, but look at it like replacing just your "take-home" per week. It's such a smaller number to tackle.

Business write-offs and freedom are so very nice! Good Luck!

P.S. I almost guessed the island, but the one red light has me stumped. Cordova isn't an island, so I just don't know . . .


Kodiak got a traffic light a year ago. I have two businesses (a ffl gun shop and a security camera installer) but Im not a good enough businessman to make them make a lot of money.

[Low_five]

I guess Im insulated here from how bad things really are out there. maybe I should just hunker down and try to get some goodies from my boss out of this.

so now, a question for the crew... should I accept the job and make them have to 'convince' me to change my mind and stay, or should I tell them I have ANOTHER job offer and if they dont give me what I want, Ill take it and leave? Im worried they will think im just bluffing, (which I kinda will be doing now)

[BabushkaLady]

I love Kodiak! I have the best pictures from the ferry ride over . . . .

Don't bluff, if this boss is an ass you might be forced to leave.

Can you get your wife involved in your businesses? Maybe some marketing and additional services to existing customers?

[sunshine05]

Based on your most recent posts, I would move and take the new job. It sounds like much better job security which is going to be very important in the coming years. Plus you would be out from a boss that you hate and a high cost of living area. I know I'm in the minority...I just think you want to go for the job security versus best place to live. Good luck deciding. I have always struggled with changing jobs that required relocation but usually ended up taking them and not regretting it.

[chud]

I would take the new job. You will be much happier doing technically challenging things, getting training, learning new things, and having the conveniences of the big city (movies, Home Depot, etc).

[Joe King]

I guess Im insulated here from how bad things really are out there. maybe I should just hunker down and try to get some goodies from my boss out of this.That's what I'd do.


so now, a question for the crew... should I accept the job and make them have to 'convince' me to change my mind and stay, or should I tell them I have ANOTHER job offer and if they dont give me what I want, Ill take it and leave? Im worried they will think im just bluffing, (which I kinda will be doing now)

I wouldn't do either of those things unless you're sure they'll beg you to stay, because bluffing can backfire on you.
I'd just be honest and lay it all out as to how I felt about the current situation and why I'd be interested in the other job.

IMHO, bluffing about a third job only serves to show him you're potentially not a team player and you need him to at least believe that you've got the companys best interests at heart along with your own.

As far as the future potential lack of job security goes, that's def something to be considered.
Is there anything else on the island that you could realistically do if you were to find yourself in need of a new job?
Any possibility of working for yourself?

[wildcard]

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii46/Dolvio/liberiaizombies.jpg

White men can't jump? Black men can't swim.

*better to lose your job with some kind of network of support nearby. Lose that new job in the big city and who is gonna give a rat's patootie?

[Neuro]

Stay there and get rid of the boss and move up at the same time!
Don't be afraid to get dirty, I'm here to help you!

10 things you can do
1. Write/send a nasty letter to someone that sounds like nobama on your bosses stationary with his signature.
2. Plant some crack and gay porn in his car and anonomously report a car weaving on the road.
3. Hire a black prostitute to rub up on him at a disclosed location where a photo can be taken.
4. Hire gay men and women to call his home late at night and hopefully the wife answers to hear a prepared jilted lover story.
5. Help him lose important paperwork on a regular basis.
6. Send test result notices to his home from a STD clinic.
7. Log on to gay porn sites from his computer.
8. Steal from other employees and hide the stuff in his office.
9. Send letters to his supervisor stating a behavior change.
10. Take over some of his important duties and say he told you to do them.
Hope this helps!

The above is all a joke and is only meant to make you laugh...or is it?

You used to work for Hitler didn't you?