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PatColo
26th August 2010, 08:27 AM
Makes you wonder whether this isn't the root of why the Zionist/Rothschild Global Usury Empire (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/the-zionist-elephant-in-the-room/msg2940/#msg2940) propagandizes the West so relentlessly about the threat of Scary Moozlemists who wanna take over the world booga booga!

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Muslim investors profit by adhering to faith (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/02/09/MN2D15J4HD.DTL&tsp=1)

Matthai Kuruvila, Chronicle Religion Writer
San Francisco Chronicle February 8, 2009

(02-08) 20:43 PST -- As credit markets have imploded, triggering a global economic crisis, Islamically correct investors have seen a change of fortune: The conservative principles this small group of devout Muslims clung to during the economic heyday has insulated them from the worst of the past year's suffering.

Their renunciation of the interest-based economy kept them away from investments in financial services companies, whose stocks have collapsed, and out of traditional mortgages.

"There was a time two or three years ago that Islamic finance was considered simply too conservative," said Professor Ibrahim Warde, author of "Islamic Finance in the Global Economy" and an adjunct professor at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University. "Right now, many people are recognizing that maybe it wasn't such a bad thing."

Dow Jones Islamic Market Indexes, which represent benchmarks for Islamically correct investment categories, have been outperforming their non-Islamically compliant counterparts by 3 to 4 percent in key indexes. The two Amana Income and Growth funds, the largest Islamic mutual funds in the country with $1.2 billion in combined assets, have been outperforming the S&P 500 in the past year by 13 and 7 percent, respectively. (Both Amana funds also outperform the S&P index on 5- and 10-year comparisons.)

Bay Area residents who bought homes through an Islamically compliant lender in San Jose, the Ameen Housing Cooperative, don't have to worry whether their lender will work with them if they lose their jobs. Islamic lenders are required to work in good faith with distressed borrowers to figure out ways to make payments manageable - and co-op leaders say they will.

Islamic investing

Warde and other Islamic finance experts and investors caution that the crisis doesn't mean that Islamic finance is a better model than Western capitalism. They say Islamic finance, a system of ethical finance supported on an institutional level, provides unique insight into an economic meltdown created in part by financial practices forbidden by strict observance of Islam.

"I don't think there's anything miraculous about Islamic finance, or that it's a panacea," said Warde, who will be speaking at a UC Berkeley School of Law symposium on the issue this month. "But we can understand why Islamic banks did well in the current financial environment."

Renouncing interest is the high-profile element of Islamic finance that relates to the current economic crisis. For Islamically correct investors, that means there are limits to how much debt a company can have or how much profit it can derive from interest-based investments. That criterion eliminated the possibility of holding stocks in financial services companies, like Citigroup or Washington Mutual, whose stocks lost 86 percent or all of their value last year, respectively.

Avoiding crisis' practices

Islamic finance also prohibits selling assets you don't own, selling someone's debt and engaging in high-risk investments. Thus, there was no participation in practices that have been blamed for Wall Street's meltdown: complex derivatives trading, short-selling and the $30 trillion market in credit default swaps.

While Islamically correct investing is a booming industry, it hardly guarantees good returns. The Iman Fund, run by Allied Asset Advisors and one of the largest Islamic mutual funds in the country, has performed worse than the S&P 500 and others in its category, according to Morningstar, a mutual fund rating service.

But performance alone isn't the point of compliance with Islamic law, known as sharia. For the committed, investing finance with faith is about living with values.

"We don't claim to our investors that we're going to be consistently outperforming the market because we have sharia criteria," said Monem Salam, director of Islamic investing and deputy portfolio manager for Saturna Capital, which manages the Amana funds. "We're going to give our investors the best return they can (get) based on the criteria. If that means outperformance on certain indices, then great."

The Islamic principles playing out across the larger stock market are also playing out in smaller, if no less significant ways for ordinary investors.

Housing cooperatives

In San Jose, the Ameen Housing Cooperative has helped roughly 30 members buy homes without mortgages. Yet the recession has had "no impact whatsoever" on the co-op, according to board member Humayun Sohel. The reasons have much to do with an Islamic requirement that the lender and the borrower share the risks and rewards of a loan.

Ameen members pool their money to give out loans. Borrowers put at least 30 percent down, and monthly payments are based on local rental values. Monthly payments pay down debt and pay dividends to Ameen members. In its 13-year history, Sohel said, Ameen has given a quarterly dividend of at least 3.8 percent and as much as 7.8 percent to co-op members.

When the deed of transfer is finally given to the borrower, Ameen members get a slice of the home's increased value - or take a loss if the price has gone down. With the median home price dropping as much as 40 percent in Santa Clara County and many worrying about their jobs, Ameen remains confident.

Borrower loses equity

As long as the borrower is earnest, Sohel said, Ameen will work to reduce payments, though that may mean a borrower doesn't gain equity or possibly loses some. If someone cannot pay at all for an extended time, Ameen will rent the home instead of selling it and locking in the loss, which is what banks do during foreclosures.

"What we are counting on is riding out this difficult time," Sohel said.

Islamic compliance also precludes investing in things Muslims are expected to avoid, like pornography, tobacco, alcohol and gambling. Those prohibitions drew Juveria Aleem to the Amana funds. But the Oakland Web designer feels like the relatively lower losses on her investments have only reaffirmed her faith.

"Not only was I keeping myself spiritually clean by not engaging in that in my life, but financially, it was helping me," Aleem said. "You cannot ever truly go wrong by practicing the principles of your faith."

Islamic finances

-- The second annual Islamic Finance Symposium, "Islamic Finance: Resilience in a Time of Financial Crisis," is a daylong conference on Feb. 28 at UC Berkeley's Boalt Hall School of Law. To register, go to: links.sfgate.com/ZGBS.

-- For more information on the Dow Jones Islamic Market Indexes, go to: links.sfgate.com/ZGBT.

-- For more information on the Ameen Housing Cooperative, go to: www.ameenhousing.com



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301ouncer
26th August 2010, 05:56 PM
peace patcolo, I do not remember ever having the pleasure in seeing your posts from gim1, etc. Did you go by another nickname?

I thought you might be interested in this:

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/article6721158.ece

Non-Muslims turning to Sharia courts to resolve civil disputes:

Fiona Hamilton, London Correspondent

Increasing numbers of non-Muslims are turning to Sharia courts to resolve commercial disputes and other civil matters, The Times has learnt.

The Muslim Arbitration Tribunal (MAT) said that 5 per cent of its cases involved non-Muslims who were using the courts because they were less cumbersome and more informal than the English legal system.

Freed Chedie, a spokesman for Sheikh Faiz-ul-Aqtab Siqqiqi, a barrister who set up the tribunal, said: “We put weight on oral agreements, whereas the British courts do not.”

In a case last month a non-Muslim Briton took his Muslim business partner to the tribunal to sort out a dispute over the profits in their car fleet company. “The non-Muslim claimed that there had been an oral agreement between the pair,” said Mr Chedie. “The tribunal found that because of certain things the Muslim man did, that agreement had existed. The non-Muslim was awarded £48,000.”
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He said that the tribunal had adjudicated on at least 20 cases involving non-Muslims so far this year. The rulings of the tribunal are legally binding, provided that both parties agree to that condition at the beginning of any hearing.

Anti-Sharia campaigners, who claim that the Islamic system is radical and biased against women, expressed alarm at the news. Denis MacEoin, who wrote a recent report for the think-tank Civitas examining the spread of Sharia in Britain, said that MAT’s claims about non-Muslim clients “raises all sorts of questions”.

He added: “You really need to ask why. What advantages could that possibly have for them going to an Islamic court? Any [Sharia] court is going to be implementing aspects of a law that runs contrary to British law, because of the way it treats women for example.”

Inayat Bunglawala, a spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain, said that organisations should be free to conduct arbitration under Sharia, provided that it did not infringe British law and was a voluntary process.

Baroness Warsi, the Shadow Minister for Community Cohesion and Social Action, who is Muslim, said that there were many forums for arbitration and alternative dispute resolution in Britain. “There is no problem with that, as long as it is always subject to English law,” she said.

The Times has also learnt that the MAT is planning to triple the number of its courts by setting up in ten new British cities by the end of the year. It will expand its network further by acting as an advisory body to dozens of other Islamic courts, with the intention of achieving national consensus over rulings and procedures.

Although Sharia courts have been operating in the civil jurisdiction since the early 1980s, they have been doing so only in the shadows and in an ad-hoc fashion. The Civitas report estimated that there were 85 Sharia councils in Britain.

As such, if the MAT was successful in bringing a number of the existing councils into line with its own courts, it would in effect create Britain’s largest national co-operative of tribunals.

Mr Chedie said that the plan would legitimise Sharia because all the courts under its umbrella would be “consistent in their rulings”. The MAT, which has legal legitimacy under the Arbitration Act 1996, already operates in London, Birmingham, Bradford, Manchester and Nuneaton, Warwickshire. At its annual conference in October it will decide its ten new locations, which are likely to include Leeds, Luton, Blackburn, Stoke and Glasgow.

The tribunal is inviting 24 Sharia councils to attend the conference so that it can train them on procedures and rulings in an attempt to achieve national consistency. Most Sharia courts deal only with divorce and family disputes but the MAT also rules on commercial matters and mediates over forced marriages and domestic violence.

Mr Chedie said: “We would train most of the imams so that a lady in Glasgow would receive the same form of service as a lady in London. Sharia councils are already falling into line under us. There is hysterial and inherent prejudice against Sharia, but the overwhelming opinion of the judiciary is that English law and Sharia are compatible. It is only people at the right end of the political spectrum who are scaremongering.” Mr Chedie argued that the legitimacy of the MAT was further enhanced because non-Muslims had started to use it for arbitration.

Mr MacEoin said he was sceptical that the MAT could achieve unity because there were several different schools of thought when it came to Islamic law. He added that the Muslim community was already deeply divided over ideology.

Fortyone
26th August 2010, 06:01 PM
just plain filth. Sharia is a vile system of laws.

301ouncer
26th August 2010, 06:03 PM
just plain filth. Sharia is a vile system of laws.


Compared to? secularisim? communisim? compared to what?

Fortyone
26th August 2010, 06:15 PM
just plain filth. Sharia is a vile system of laws.


Compared to? secularisim? communisim? compared to what?


thats easy, Christianity.We gave up the whole stoning,wife whipping thing a while back,We found love and fairness is better, you guys should try it! ;D

Fortyone
26th August 2010, 06:18 PM
two sets of laws to avoid:

301ouncer
26th August 2010, 06:56 PM
just plain filth. Sharia is a vile system of laws.


Compared to? secularisim? communisim? compared to what?


thats easy, Christianity.We gave up the whole stoning,wife whipping thing a while back,We found love and fairness is better, you guys should try it! ;D


I see you mean the beacon of hope and all in the persuit of happiness:

Life for husband who killed wife over breakfast:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1457873/Life-for-husband-who-killed-wife-over-breakfast.html

So civilised? i have 1000's of such links. Would you like me to share?

301ouncer
26th August 2010, 07:01 PM
LOVE? yes it is going beyond all bounderies in our beacon of hope and presuit of happiness:

Man accused of having sex with a Great Dane named Christie Brinkley:
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/specials/weirdflorida/blog/2010/07/man_accused_of_having_sex_with_2.html

PatColo
26th August 2010, 07:32 PM
peace patcolo, I do not remember ever having the pleasure in seeing your posts from gim1, etc. Did you go by another nickname?


Hey 301. I posted @ GIM1 for >5 years... but by 11/09 GIM's management had been fully, clandestinely usurped by zio-shills, and they banned me for a purely fabricated "reason" (http://gold-silver.us/forum/discuss-gim/is-it-possible-gim-was-shut-down-to-protect-the-members/msg4452/#msg4452), because I was too much of a match for the resident shills. They grew fed up with my effectiveness in disseminating Truth and making them look like fools... funny that their resorting to banning me for such a transparently fabricated official reason, they conceded their utter defeat to everyone, and consequently looked like the biggest fools to date. It was just a few months later that the GIM zio-management nuked the whole messageboard with its encyclopedic Truth archive (was it >2 million posts?), and launched the new kosher GIM2.






just plain filth. Sharia is a vile system of laws.


Compared to? secularisim? communisim? compared to what?



Talmudic Lawhttp://www.messianic-torah-truth-seeker.org/Torah/Kashrut/logo-ou-kosher-48.gif (http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html), of course!

http://images.politico.com/global/click/091119_hanukkah_ap_392_regular.jpg

Fortyone
27th August 2010, 02:43 AM
just plain filth. Sharia is a vile system of laws.


Compared to? secularisim? communisim? compared to what?


thats easy, Christianity.We gave up the whole stoning,wife whipping thing a while back,We found love and fairness is better, you guys should try it! ;D


I see you mean the beacon of hope and all in the persuit of happiness:

Life for husband who killed wife over breakfast:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1457873/Life-for-husband-who-killed-wife-over-breakfast.html

So civilised? i have 1000's of such links. Would you like me to share?


That is individual crime, I can post 1000s of links showing Islamic society sanctioned crime. would you like me to share ,rock worshipper?

zap
27th August 2010, 08:27 PM
Why would we want any kind of Sharia law in The United States of America, keep that crap in your own country, granted our system isn't the best but I will take my chances with ours , not theirs.

Everyone wants to come here to live in America, but they want their own culture and old ways.

I say, Stay where you are . :redfc

PatColo
2nd December 2014, 09:14 PM
Malaysia (MY) poking their finger in the JWO's eye; namely, experimenting with parallel gold/silver-coin based currency:
Islamic Gold Dinar gains public acceptance in Kelantan (https://dinmerican.wordpress.com/2010/09/04/islamic-gold-dinar-gains-public-acceptance/)

Gold as a currency in Islamic finance? (http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/business/2013/03/18/gold-as-a-currency-in-islamic-finance/)


MY is officially a scary-moozlemismist country, though JWO-Usury-Banking and Islamic-Banking exist parallel... "as you wish!" Bear in mind, Islam still stubbornly forbids USURY... that wellspring which has fueled the building of this Jew World Order Unmasked (http://www.mikroland.nl/bahlmann/The-Jew-World-Order-Unmasked-by-ZionCrimeFactory.pdf) (.pdf)


I was prompted to poke around re MY's gold-currency fiddlings above, when I heard it mentioned in this recent K.Barrett podcast,
Saturday, November 29, 2014
Eric Walberg: The lighter side of Islamic State (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2014/11/eric-walberg-lighter-side-of-islamic.html)
Listen to the above show at this page (http://noliesradio.org/archives/92284); must use the player console embedded there. MY/gold-currency comes up around 42 mins in.


MY hosts an annual "Riba" (usury) conference; yet another finger in the JWO's eye (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?p=718986#post718986):





Global Islamic Finance: Quranic Verses on Riba (Interest/Usury) (http://www.global-islamic-finance.com/2011/02/quranic-verses-on-riba-interestusury.html)
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