The Reality of the Quran

[Phoenix]

You may verify the accuracy of these verses from the Quran at the University of Michigan's Quran archive, <a href="http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html">here</a>, or at any online or in any printed Quran.


From the Quran...


[3:56] Then as to those who disbelieve, I will chastise them with severe chastisement in this world and the hereafter, and they shall have no helpers.


[3.85] And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.


[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.


[4.51] Have you not seen those to whom a portion of the Book has been given? They believe in idols and false deities {Jesus Christ -p} and say of those who disbelieve: These are better guided in the path than those who believe.


[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.


[5.51] O you who believe! do not take...the Christians for friends...and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.


[5.72] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust.


[5.73] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah is the third (person) of the three; and there is no god but the one God, and if they desist not from what they say, a painful chastisement shall befall those among them who disbelieve.


[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.


[8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah


[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush


[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.


[9.30] [T]he Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!


[9.73] O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.


[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).


[47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners


[48:29] Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves

[301ouncer]

just by glanciing over the first few noble ayat (signs) easily have been taken out of context, political situation of the caliphate state, reasons for the revelations, the resulting outcomes, etc.

23 years of revelations with 1300 years of ruling system spanned from south of china to south of spain, foolishly and stupidity trapped itslef by gangooling them all in a half a page in an obscure forum. :oo-->

[Fortyone]

just by glanciing over the first few noble ayat (signs) easily have been taken out of context, political situation of the caliphate state, reasons for the revelations, the resulting outcomes, etc.

23 years of revelations with 1300 years of ruling system spanned from south of china to south of spain, foolishly and stupidity trapped itslef by gangooling them all in a half a page in an obscure forum. :oo-->


Thats the issue here,Its a RULING system, not a LIVING system like Christ.The Caliphate is dead ,Muslims have wiped out so much history and culture that it pales modern warfare.

[Phoenix]

just by glanciing over the first few noble ayat (signs) easily have been taken out of context


Put up or shut up, Musulman.

SHOW how these quotes are not valid. SHOW how they are "taken out of context."

[PatColo]

just by glanciing over the first few noble ayat (signs) easily have been taken out of context,


Hey now, those translations/interpretations were done by an esteemed panel of experts!

http://www.crownheights.info/media/2/20090309-Rabbinical-Test.jpg

Some Teachings of the Jewish Talmudhttp://www.messianic-torah-truth-seeker.org/Torah/Kashrut/logo-ou-kosher-48.gif (http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html)

http://images.politico.com/global/click/091119_hanukkah_ap_392_regular.jpg

[Fortyone]

just by glanciing over the first few noble ayat (signs) easily have been taken out of context


Put up or shut up, Musulman.

SHOW how these quotes are not valid. SHOW how they are "taken out of context."


I am glad for one thing Phoenix, you have outed a member with a very American sounding name,as a Muslim with a very clear agenda.

[SLV^GLD]

I am glad for one thing Phoenix, you have outed a member with a very American sounding name,as a Muslim with a very clear agenda.
LOL! You MUST be new here. 301 Ouncer has been a very vocal Muslim since before this forum's existence. He has not changed name nor agenda since arriving here. I didn't know acknowledging diversity in our userbase was "outing" someone. I am no Muslim apologist but I do accept that there are a few billion of them and there's a few billion of several other religions and ethnicities and they will be a different voice from mine on the internet. It would be boring without them.

[Phoenix]

I am no Muslim apologist but I do accept that there are a few billion of them


A few billion of them, huh?

[SLV^GLD]

I am no Muslim apologist but I do accept that there are a few billion of them


A few billion of them, huh?
Roughly 1.7B in 2008. Maybe a small amount of hyperbole but the point was that there a whole freaking lot of Muslims running around. You can either deal with that fact or you can't.

[Phoenix]

I am no Muslim apologist but I do accept that there are a few billion of them


A few billion of them, huh?
Roughly 1.7B in 2008. Maybe a small amount of hyperbole but the point was that there a whole freaking lot of Muslims running around. You can either deal with that fact or you can't.


There are a lot more cockroaches on Earth, but that doesn't mean we should not keep them out of our homes.

[philo beddoe]

I am no Muslim apologist but I do accept that there are a few billion of them


A few billion of them, huh?
Roughly 1.7B in 2008. Maybe a small amount of hyperbole but the point was that there a whole freaking lot of Muslims running around. You can either deal with that fact or you can't.


There are a lot more cockroaches on Earth, but that doesn't mean we should not keep them out of our homes.
Hey Phoenix, McDonalds has sold billions and billions of burgers too! ;D

[Fortyone]

I am glad for one thing Phoenix, you have outed a member with a very American sounding name,as a Muslim with a very clear agenda.
LOL! You MUST be new here. 301 Ouncer has been a very vocal Muslim since before this forum's existence. He has not changed name nor agenda since arriving here. I didn't know acknowledging diversity in our userbase was "outing" someone. I am no Muslim apologist but I do accept that there are a few billion of them and there's a few billion of several other religions and ethnicities and they will be a different voice from mine on the internet. It would be boring without them.



Put your LOL away, I wasnt referring to 301,does he have a very American sounding name? Ill help you out, he likes architects and Engineers.

[Phoenix]

Put your LOL away, I wasnt referring to 301,does he have a very American sounding name? Ill help you out, he likes architects and Engineers.


PatColo won't admit he's a Musulman, but it has become clear he is. I wonder if he's a convert, or he adopted the name "Pat" to cover up a birth name of Muhammed al-Qamalfuqr?

[PatColo]

Put your LOL away, I wasnt referring to 301,does he have a very American sounding name? Ill help you out, he likes architects and Engineers.



PatColo won't admit he's a Musulman, but it has become clear he is. I wonder if he's a convert, or he adopted the name "Pat" to cover up a birth name of Muhammed al-Qamalfuqr?




MMMMM! Can other GSUS readers smell the CHUTZPAH BAGELS too?!?! Freshly boiled-N-baked!!! :P


http://www.manhattanstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/assorted_bagels.jpg

Accusing your opponent of "changing names to cover up their true identity (http://www.churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij70.html)", that's CHUTZPAH-MANEUVER GOLD, BABY!!! ;D



They're masters at projecting their own evil onto others, flipping reality 180 degrees, or what I call the chutzpah maneuver. This sham zionist 'Stop the Scary-Moozlemization of America' organization is a classic example: projecting their own intentions onto an innocent group, while posturing as 'protectors' with righteous & altruistic intentions.


:lol Hey no, but seriously though my worthy MEGAPHONE-wielding-opponents (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article693911.ece), HELP IS OUT THERE!!! :-*


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1_WxkOeIxkk/TFDHELMlavI/AAAAAAAAAbg/Y55pipBw-ts/s320/anti-jew-bus-ad.jpg

Muslim investors profit by adhering to faith (http://gold-silver.us/forum/religion-and-philosophy/muslim-investors-profit-by-adhering-to-faith/msg101312/#msg101312)


And Lastly, I would just like to add,




aww jeez looky there, every time I check that number gets bigger, 1,266 licensed architects & engineers (http://ae911truth.org) now calling the official 9/11 CT a fraud! ;D


http://www.ae911truth.net/flash/wtc7ani2.swf

http://www.ae911truth.org/images/explo2.jpg

[zap]

You know I don't care what God you worship doesn't matter to me.

But don't try to tell me how great your brainwashing is.



Hinduism is generally considered to be the oldest religion still being practiced today. This ancient religion was born when the Aryan peoples migrated to Northern India and first put their religious tradition into writing. The texts they created are the Vedas, which were written around 1,500 B.C.E. (before common era) and have greatly influenced Indian culture ever since.

Several other religions are almost as old as Hinduism. Judaism traces its roots back to the patriarch Abraham, who lived around 1,800 B.C.E. While the Jewish people are descended from Abraham, it was Moses who first recorded the Torah, the Jewish holy text, in 1,400 B.C.E. Most sources consider the date of the Torah as the beginning of Judaism.



The two religions that dominate the world today are relative newcomers to the spiritual scene. Christianity began with the teachings of Jesus Christ around 30 C.E., and Islam started in 610 C.E. with the prophet Muhammad's revelation.

[Fortyone]

Put your LOL away, I wasnt referring to 301,does he have a very American sounding name? Ill help you out, he likes architects and Engineers.



PatColo won't admit he's a Musulman, but it has become clear he is. I wonder if he's a convert, or he adopted the name "Pat" to cover up a birth name of Muhammed al-Qamalfuqr?




MMMMM! Can other GSUS readers smell the CHUTZPAH BAGELS too?!?! Freshly boiled-N-baked!!! :P


http://www.manhattanstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/assorted_bagels.jpg

Accusing your opponent of "changing names to cover up their true identity (http://www.churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/original/ij70.html)", that's CHUTZPAH-MANEUVER GOLD, BABY!!! ;D



They're masters at projecting their own evil onto others, flipping reality 180 degrees, or what I call the chutzpah maneuver. This sham zionist 'Stop the Scary-Moozlemization of America' organization is a classic example: projecting their own intentions onto an innocent group, while posturing as 'protectors' with righteous & altruistic intentions.


:lol Hey no, but seriously though my worthy MEGAPHONE-wielding-opponents (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article693911.ece), HELP IS OUT THERE!!! :-*


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1_WxkOeIxkk/TFDHELMlavI/AAAAAAAAAbg/Y55pipBw-ts/s320/anti-jew-bus-ad.jpg

Muslim investors profit by adhering to faith (http://gold-silver.us/forum/religion-and-philosophy/muslim-investors-profit-by-adhering-to-faith/msg101312/#msg101312)


And Lastly, I would just like to add,




aww jeez looky there, every time I check that number gets bigger, 1,266 licensed architects & engineers (http://ae911truth.org) now calling the official 9/11 CT a fraud! ;D


http://www.ae911truth.net/flash/wtc7ani2.swf

http://www.ae911truth.org/images/explo2.jpg



What kind of fools do you take the board for Pat? We outed you as a Muslim,and now you get out your Chutzpah/bagel spam program and that makes people Jews?, good luck Azeeb Colo. FAIL

[illumin19]

just by glanciing over the first few noble ayat (signs) easily have been taken out of context, political situation of the caliphate state, reasons for the revelations, the resulting outcomes, etc.

23 years of revelations with 1300 years of ruling system spanned from south of china to south of spain, foolishly and stupidity trapped itslef by gangooling them all in a half a page in an obscure forum. :oo-->

Assalamu alaykum, Ramadan mubarak 301!

Haven't been posting much been enjoying my first Ramadan with the brothers.
I try and post more again after RAmadan inshallah.

I like this title of the thread and I'll sum it up like this.......

THE REALITIY OF THE QUR'AN IS THAT IT'S PLAINLY PREDICTED/PROPHESIED ABOUT IN ISAIAH 42.........START WITH VERSE 10 IF YOU'D LIKE TO SKIP TO THE POINT!

If anyone would like to challenge it bring your exigesis and I'll bring mine,

thank you everyone and peace to all who come in peace.

[Fortyone]

10Sing to the LORD a new song,
his praise from the ends of the earth,
you who go down to the sea, and all that is in it,
you islands, and all who live in them.
11 Let the desert and its towns raise their voices;
let the settlements where Kedar lives rejoice.
Let the people of Sela sing for joy;
let them shout from the mountaintops.

12 Let them give glory to the LORD
and proclaim his praise in the islands.

13 The LORD will march out like a mighty man,
like a warrior he will stir up his zeal;
with a shout he will raise the battle cry
and will triumph over his enemies.

14 "For a long time I have kept silent,
I have been quiet and held myself back.
But now, like a woman in childbirth,
I cry out, I gasp and pant.

15 I will lay waste the mountains and hills
and dry up all their vegetation;
I will turn rivers into islands
and dry up the pools.

16 I will lead the blind by ways they have not known,
along unfamiliar paths I will guide them;
I will turn the darkness into light before them
and make the rough places smooth.
These are the things I will do;
I will not forsake them.




If this is what your referring to, please show us the Koran being predicted.

[PatColo]

What kind of fools do you take the board for Pat? We outed you as a Muslim,and now you get out your Chutzpah/bagel spam program and that makes people Jews?, good luck Azeeb Colo. FAIL



Yeah whatever bagelboy. Listen up, I'll pay you a dime for one of those poppy seed jobees, looks delicious! :D


http://www.alwayshungryny.com/images/content/BagelBoss__Bagels2_v1_17_-_Version_2.jpg

[illumin19]

Greetings fortyone, how are doing?
Let's keep this very basic, at least for now.

Well, let's have a look at what the chapter itself is speaking about shall we...

Verse 1
Behold! My servant whom I uphold.....

Ok, just from the first verse we know he talking about his("God's") servant yes?

Ok, now let's go to the verses (even though the whole chapter is relevant/consistent) in question. Verses 10 and on....

But first let us look at the verse preceding it. The line is no doubt a "prophecY"...would you agree?
verse 9
Behold, former things have come to pass, New things I declare; BEFORE THEY SPRING FORTH I TELL YOU OF THEM (safe to say it's a foretelling)

Verse 10
Sing to the LORD a new song, his praise from the ends of the earth...

Ok, so singing to God a "new song"...what could it be? Possibly the Psalms/Tehillim/Zabur of David (peace unto him)? Nay...Isaiah(peace unto him) is widely known/believed to be after David, Yes?

Ok, so is it a literal SONG/HYMN or is it a figure of speech? Let's have a look shall we?

The word "PRAISE" above (red in verse 10) original hebrew word is Tehillah....wow sounds alot like TEHILLIM! Well don't be surpised, it's hebrew for >>Laudation...a HYMN

Reference Strong's Concordance number 8416

So, now we know it's a LITERAL SINGING to God this foretelling is speaking of, YES? And to be after the already present Tehillim of David (Psalms)........

I'll leave with that for now, next time inshallah we'll look into WHO IS ACTUALLY DOING THE SINGING TO GOD that is being foretold.

And they're not Israelites!! ;D

Have a good night!

[Fortyone]

What kind of fools do you take the board for Pat? We outed you as a Muslim,and now you get out your Chutzpah/bagel spam program and that makes people Jews?, good luck Azeeb Colo. FAIL



Yeah whatever bagelboy. Listen up, I'll pay you a dime for one of those poppy seed jobees, looks delicious! :D


http://www.alwayshungryny.com/images/content/BagelBoss__Bagels2_v1_17_-_Version_2.jpg



Show me one post where I defended Israel or the rats,You cant.The Zionist tactic of deflecting an accusation is well known among those who know how they operate.At first you seemed to just want to show the truth concerning 9/11,and I respected you for it,now your an Islamic shill.

[PatColo]

Show me one post where I defended Israel or the rats,You cant.The Zionist tactic of deflecting an accusation is well known among those who know how they operate.At first you seemed to just want to show the truth concerning 9/11,and I respected you for it,now your an Islamic shill.



The point of the Truth of 911 is that the "evildoers" weren't scary moozlems, who were framed. The perps were the zio-PTB, and their effort to encourage FEAR & HATEhttp://www.messianic-torah-truth-seeker.org/Torah/Kashrut/logo-ou-kosher-48.gif of scary moozlems in the minds of the West has been relentless ever since.

You & Phoenix act as loyal foot-soldiers for the evildoers by your constant parroting of their scary moozlems booga booga beat box noise for them. Is that your intention? :conf:

[StackerKen]

Are the hundreds of stories of suicide bombers Zionist BS too?

You know the ones that think they will receive 40 virgins if they Martyr themselves

Is that Zionist BS too?

[PatColo]

Are the hundreds of stories of suicide bombers Zionist BS too?

You know the ones that think they will receive 40 virgins if they Martyr themselves

Is that Zionist BS too?


All too often, yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsUtvOW6SR0

You can't trust anything the evildoers (via their MSM and/or internet shills (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/the-pentagons-war-on-the-internet-(shills-trolls-etc)/msg28270/#msg28270)) tell us about scary moozlemists; all you can conclude for sure is "that's what the pathological deceivers would like us to believe, for their own self-interested motives."

[goldmonkey]

Re: The Reality of the Quran

http://i36.tinypic.com/2ryprgz.png (http://www.amazon.com/White-Gold-Extraordinary-Thomas-Million/dp/0374289352)

[Fortyone]

Show me one post where I defended Israel or the rats,You cant.The Zionist tactic of deflecting an accusation is well known among those who know how they operate.At first you seemed to just want to show the truth concerning 9/11,and I respected you for it,now your an Islamic shill.



The point of the Truth of 911 is that the "evildoers" weren't scary moozlems, who were framed. The perps were the zio-PTB, and their effort to encourage FEAR & HATEhttp://www.messianic-torah-truth-seeker.org/Torah/Kashrut/logo-ou-kosher-48.gif of scary moozlems in the minds of the West has been relentless ever since.

You & Phoenix act as loyal foot-soldiers for the evildoers by your constant parroting of their scary moozlems booga booga beat box noise for them. Is that your intention? :conf:


My intention is truth,The butchering and enslavement of Christian Europeans by Islamics is a fact ,not parroting of "booga booga".If your a Christian, I dare you to go to Saudi Arabia and declare your right to worship, then youll see how scary those "moozlems" can be.If two thieves are robbing your home,is the one that thought of the idea more guilty than the other?

[PatColo]

My intention is truth,The butchering and enslavement of Christian Europeans by Islamics is a fact ,not parroting of "booga booga".If your a Christian, I dare you to go to Saudi Arabia and declare your right to worship, then youll see how scary those "moozlems" can be.If two thieves are robbing your home,is the one that thought of the idea more guilty than the other?



The "truth" [about the scary moozlems] you and a handful of others seem interested in propagating around here, is coincidentally or not, perfectly well aligned with the propaganda which the master thieves expend so much labor & pilfered capital trying to deceive the West into believing about scary moozlemism.

I know I know, I see you (guys variously) also working hard to build up your "credibility capital" with all the ADLfront "Stormfront" rhetoric admiring Hitler, hating on dajooz, and/or the "mud people" or whatever HATEhttp://www.messianic-torah-truth-seeker.org/Torah/Kashrut/logo-ou-kosher-48.gif terms are in vogue over there at ADLfront "Stormfront" nowdaze; and then trying to "spend" that imagined cred-capital by mixing it with generous amounts of the signature zio-propaganda payload:



http://anotherkcblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/jew-jitsu.jpg
scary moozlems wanna eat your babies booga booga!! :o


Some GSUS readers buy the shtick, others not so much... ;)

[PatColo]

Some recent articles from Mark Glenn @ http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com,


Reality Check for all Islamophobic Christians–Jesus Didn’t Warn Us About the Muslims. He Warned Us About the Jews (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2010/08/24/reality-check-for-all-islamophobic-christians-jesus-didn%e2%80%99t-warn-us-about-the-muslims-he-warned-us-about-the-jews/)

Islamophobia–Israel’s Most Cherished Weapon of Mass Destruction Destined to Destroy The West If Not Stopped (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2010/08/30/islamophobia-israel%E2%80%99s-most-cherished-weapon-of-mass-destruction-destined-to-destroy-the-west-if-not-stopped/)

Top 10 Myths About Islam (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2010/08/31/top-10-myths-about-islam/#more-1794)


note from me, MG–Many thanks to my good friend RH for sending

Islam is a widely-misunderstood religion. Those who are unfamiliar with the faith often have misunderstandings about its teachings and practices. Common misconceptions include that Muslims worship a moon-god, that Islam is oppressive against women, or that Islam is a faith that promotes violence. Here we bust these myths and expose the true teachings of Islam.

1. Muslims worship a moon-god

Some non-Muslims mistakenly believe that Allah is an “Arab god,” a “moon god,” or some sort of idol. Allah is the proper name of the One True God, in the Arabic language. The most fundamental belief that a Muslim has is that “There is only One God,” the Creator, the Sustainer — known in the Arabic language and by Muslims as Allah. Arabic-speaking Christians use the same word for the Almighty.

2. Muslims don’t believe in Jesus

In the Qur’an, stories about the life and teachings of Jesus Christ (called ‘Isa in Arabic) are abundant. The Qur’an recalls his miraculous birth, his teachings, and the miracles he performed by God’s permission. There is even a chapter of the Qur’an named after his mother, Mary (Miriam in Arabic). However, Muslims believe that Jesus was a fully human prophet and not in any way divine himself.

3. Most Muslims are Arabs

While Islam is often associated with Arabs, they make up only 15% of the world’s Muslim population. The country with the largest population of Muslims is Indonesia. Muslims make up 1/5 of the world’s population, with large numbers found in Asia (69%), Africa (27%), Europe (3%) and other parts of the world.

4. Islam oppresses women

Most of the ill-treatment that women receive in the Muslim world is based on local culture and traditions, without any basis in the faith of Islam. In fact, practices such as forced marriage, spousal abuse, and restricted movement directly contradict Islamic law governing family behavior and personal freedom.

5. Muslims are violent, terrorist extremists

Terrorism cannot be justified under any valid interpretation of the Islamic faith. The entire Qur’an, taken as a complete text, gives a message of hope, faith, and peace to a faith community of one billion people. The overwhelming message is that peace is to be found through faith in God, and justice among fellow human beings. Muslim leaders and scholars do speak out against terrorism in all its forms, and offer explanations of misinterpreted or twisted teachings.

6. Islam is intolerant of other faiths

Throughout the Qur’an, Muslims are reminded that they are not the only ones who worship God. Jews and Christians are called “People of the Book,” meaning people who have received previous revelations from the One Almighty God that we all worship. The Qur’an also commands Muslims to protect from harm not only mosques, but also monasteries, synagogues, and churches — because “God is worshipped therein.”

7. Islam promotes “jihad” to spread Islam by the sword and kill all unbelievers

The word Jihad stems from an Arabic word which means “to strive.” Other related words include “effort,” “labor,” and “fatigue.” Essentially Jihad is an effort to practice religion in the face of oppression and persecution. The effort may come in fighting the evil in your own heart, or in standing up to a dictator. Military effort is included as an option, but as a last resort and not “to spread Islam by the sword.”

8. The Quran was written by Muhammad and copied from Christian and Jewish sources

The Qur’an was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad over a period of two decades, calling people to worship One Almighty God and to live their lives according to this faith. The Qur’an contains stories of Biblical prophets, because these prophets also preached the message of God. Stories are not merely copied, but the oral traditions are referred to in a way that focuses on the examples and teachings that we can learn from them.

9. Islamic prayer is just a ritualized performance with no heartfelt meaning

Prayer is a time to stand before God and express faith, give thanks for blessings, and seek guidance and forgiveness. During Islamic prayer, one is modest, submissive and respectful to God. By bowing and prostrating ourselves to the ground, we express our utmost humility before the Almighty.

10. The crescent moon is a universal symbol of Islam

The early Muslim community did not really have a symbol. During the time of the Prophet Muhammad, Islamic caravans and armies flew simple solid-colored flags (generally black, green, or white) for identification purposes. The crescent moon and star symbol actually pre-dates Islam by several thousand years, and wasn’t affiliated with Islam at all until the Ottoman Empire placed it on their flag.

Suggested Reading
# Introduction to Islam (http://islam.about.com/blintroa.htm)
# Basic Beliefs of Islam (http://islam.about.com/od/basicbeliefs/)
# Introductory Books on Islam (http://islam.about.com/od/basicbeliefs/tp/intro_books.htm)


Press TV’s Waqar Rizvi talks to Mark Glenn on Islamophobia in US (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2010/08/28/press-tvs-waqar-rizvi-talks-to-mark-glenn-on-islamophobia-in-us/)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUt72B7Ob1M

[StackerKen]

Pat. Are you trying to say that Modern Muslims are not killing Christians today?

There own book seems to say the should.

"Kill them, and Allah will torment them by your hands. He will humiliate them and give you victory over them…" (Sura 9:14)

"Fight those who believe not… even if they be People of the book [Christians and Jews] until they have willingly agreed to pay the Jizya tribute in recognition of their submissive state." (Sura 9:29)


I think those verses kinda contradict #6 on your list

[philo beddoe]

Are the hundreds of stories of suicide bombers Zionist BS too?

You know the ones that think they will receive 40 virgins if they Martyr themselves

Is that Zionist BS too?
Ken the problem is that you think of your 'christian brothers' first, and not WHITES FIRST.

[PatColo]

Pat. Are you trying to say that Modern Muslims are not killing Christians today?

There own book seems to say the should.



Ken, you should be more skeptical of the dubious/self-interested translations/interpretations of the Qua'an which the zionists (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/the-zionist-elephant-in-the-room/) spoon feed you (often from behind fake "scholarly" facades).



5. Muslims are violent, terrorist extremists

Terrorism cannot be justified under any valid interpretation of the Islamic faith. The entire Qur’an, taken as a complete text, gives a message of hope, faith, and peace to a faith community of one billion people. The overwhelming message is that peace is to be found through faith in God, and justice among fellow human beings. Muslim leaders and scholars do speak out against terrorism in all its forms, and offer explanations of misinterpreted or twisted teachings.

6. Islam is intolerant of other faiths

Throughout the Qur’an, Muslims are reminded that they are not the only ones who worship God. Jews and Christians are called “People of the Book,” meaning people who have received previous revelations from the One Almighty God that we all worship. The Qur’an also commands Muslims to protect from harm not only mosques, but also monasteries, synagogues, and churches — because “God is worshipped therein.”

7. Islam promotes “jihad” to spread Islam by the sword and kill all unbelievers

The word Jihad stems from an Arabic word which means “to strive.” Other related words include “effort,” “labor,” and “fatigue.” Essentially Jihad is an effort to practice religion in the face of oppression and persecution. The effort may come in fighting the evil in your own heart, or in standing up to a dictator. Military effort is included as an option, but as a last resort and not “to spread Islam by the sword.”

Does the fact that zionists perpetrated 911 (http://rediscover911.com/introduction/), and subsequently orchestrate a whole global warrenterra hoax fraudulently demonizing scary moozlems, to enslave us in a police state at home and conduct murderous/illegal wars of conquest abroad expending US taxpayer $$ and flesh, suggest anything to you about whether or not you should be so trusting of their incessant scary moozlems wanna eat your babies booga booga!! noise?? [AKA their favored "Projection/Chutzpah-Maneuver" lying technique] :conf:



aww jeez looky there, every time I check that number gets bigger, 1,266 1,271 licensed architects & engineers (http://ae911truth.org) now calling the official 9/11 CT a fraud! ;D


http://www.ae911truth.net/flash/wtc7ani2.swf

http://www.ae911truth.org/images/explo2.jpg

[StackerKen]

Are the hundreds of stories of suicide bombers Zionist BS too?

You know the ones that think they will receive 40 virgins if they Martyr themselves

Is that Zionist BS too?
Ken the problem is that you think of your 'christian brothers' first, and not WHITES FIRST.


Maybe that is because I'm not a white supremacist

[StackerKen]

Question:
Does the Qur'an really contain dozens of verses promoting violence?

Summary Answer:
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

These verses are mostly open-ended, meaning that the historical context is not embedded within the surrounding text - as are nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Qur'an.

Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. This proclivity toward violence - and Muhammad's own martial legacy - has left a trail of blood and tears across world history.

take a look at the examples here
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm

Here are a couple

Qur'an (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

Qur'an (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.

Qur'an (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding caravans with this verse.

[PatColo]

Ken, yet more regurgitations of zio-translations/interpretations of Qu'arn verses, yet you haven't answered my question:





Ken, you should be more skeptical of the dubious/self-interested translations/interpretations of the Qua'an which the zionists (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/the-zionist-elephant-in-the-room/) spoon feed you (often from behind fake "scholarly" facades).
[...]
Does the fact that zionists perpetrated 911 (http://rediscover911.com/introduction/), and subsequently orchestrate a whole global warrenterra hoax fraudulently demonizing scary moozlems, to enslave us in a police state at home and conduct murderous/illegal wars of conquest abroad expending US taxpayer $$ and flesh, suggest anything to you about whether or not you should be so trusting of their incessant scary moozlems wanna eat your babies booga booga!! noise?? [AKA their favored "Projection/Chutzpah-Maneuver" lying technique] :conf:

[StackerKen]

Ken, yet more regurgitations of zio-translations/interpretations of Qu'arn verses, yet you haven't answered my question:





Ken, you should be more skeptical of the dubious/self-interested translations/interpretations of the Qua'an which the zionists (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/the-zionist-elephant-in-the-room/) spoon feed you (often from behind fake "scholarly" facades).
[...]
Does the fact that zionists perpetrated 911 (http://rediscover911.com/introduction/), and subsequently orchestrate a whole global warrenterra hoax fraudulently demonizing scary moozlems, to enslave us in a police state at home and conduct murderous/illegal wars of conquest abroad expending US taxpayer $$ and flesh, suggest anything to you about whether or not you should be so trusting of their incessant scary moozlems wanna eat your babies booga booga!! noise?? [AKA their favored "Projection/Chutzpah-Maneuver" lying technique] :conf:




Pat; Are you telling me that the Qu'arn does not say those things?

Those verses are not in the Qu'arn?

[StackerKen]

Jesus Taught his followers to "love thy enemy" and "turn the other cheek"

It seems pretty clear to me, this is not what the Qua-ran teaches

[DMac]

Regarding translations, I have no faith in the integrity of MEMRI. They have been outed as a zio-propaganda front years ago.

Just FYI.

[PatColo]

Pat; Are you telling me that the Qu'arn does not say those things?

Those verses are not in the Qu'arn?



Ken, again with the MEMRI zio-prop regurgitation...

Is my question too disturbing? :conf:



Ken, yet more regurgitations of zio-translations/interpretations of Qu'arn verses, yet you haven't answered my question:

[quote=PatColo ]

Ken, you should be more skeptical of the dubious/self-interested translations/interpretations of the Qua'an which the zionists (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/the-zionist-elephant-in-the-room/) spoon feed you (often from behind fake "scholarly" facades).
[...]
Does the fact that zionists perpetrated 911 (http://rediscover911.com/introduction/), and subsequently orchestrate a whole global warrenterra hoax fraudulently demonizing scary moozlems, to enslave us in a police state at home and conduct murderous/illegal wars of conquest abroad expending US taxpayer $$ and flesh, suggest anything to you about whether or not you should be so trusting of their incessant scary moozlems wanna eat your babies booga booga!! noise?? [AKA their favored "Projection/Chutzpah-Maneuver" lying technique] :conf:

[Book]

Jesus taught his followers to "love thy enemy" and "turn the other cheek"



Whoever does so is a chump and victim of Talmud Jews who are taught to cheat and steal from the gullible goyim.

:oo-->

[StackerKen]

You have not answered my questions Pat.

Why should I answer yours?

My questions are much simpler than your question to me.


However, I will answer your question


Does the fact that zionists perpetrated 911, and subsequently orchestrate a whole global warrenterra hoax fraudulently demonizing scary moozlems, to enslave us in a police state at home and conduct murderous/illegal wars of conquest abroad expending US taxpayer $$ and flesh, suggest anything to you about whether or not you should be so trusting of their incessant scary moozlems wanna eat your babies booga booga!! noise?? [AKA their favored "Projection/Chutzpah-Maneuver" lying technique]

I am Not scared of Muslims (See my sig line)

I have No way of knowing for sure who "perpetrated 911"

I have searched the web and found the Koran does teach Violence.

Eat babies?....where did you get that?

Your a strange one Pat. why would I listen to or believe you?

I only trust God and his word. and the things that line up with them.

The Koran does not.

[StackerKen]

Jesus taught his followers to "love thy enemy" and "turn the other cheek"



Whoever does so is a chump and victim of Talmud Jews who are taught to cheat and steal from the gullible goyim.

:oo-->


I guess Im a Chump then Book

It seems you are calling all Christians(followers of Christ) Chumps...

I'll pray for you Book....


I don't want you to burn in hell

[illumin19]

QUR'AN
13:43

Yet those who are disbelievers say: "You are not the apostle sent (by God)." Tell them: "God is sufficient as witness between me and you, and he who has knowledge of the Book (scriptures).

"The Reality of the Qur'an" (Good thread title).....IS THAT IT'S FORETOLD IN THE BIBLE! 8)

This is part #2 to POST 19 in my reply to Fortyone in case anyone wants to follow. Insha'Allah, it will bear fruit. :)

Quick re-cap: Verse 10 prophecies a "NEW SONG" that will arrive after the already present PSALMS/TEHILLIM/ZABOOR in the Bible.

Now let's look at WHO & WHERE this "NEW SONG" will come through....

Isaiah 42
Verse 10 cont.
You who go down to the sea, and all that is in it, you coastlands and you inhabitants of them!

DOWN>>Original hebrew word used is YARAD. It means to DESCEND, GO DOWNWARDS, TO A LOWER REGION

REFERENCE STRONGS CONCORDANCE #3381

Coastlands>> Original hebrew word is IY. It means dry land, a coast, an island, country

REFERENCDE STRONG'S CONCORDANCE #339

So let's review what we have so far shall we (ISAIAH 42 V. 10)?
A "NEW SONG" praising God coming after the already present PSALMS/TEHILLIM/ZABOOR of DAVID (peace unto him). A people are being called that are downwards or south of where the prophecy is taking place.........

Hmmmm....where was Isaiah living at the time? By all reports, ISAIAH (peace unto him) was speaking/living IN JERUSALEM/JUDEA!

Sooooo, SOUTH OF JUDEA a praising of God in a coastland/dry place/country.....

Following so far?

[illumin19]

All-riiiiight! Let's keep things moving shall we?

On to verse 11 of Isaiah 42 Insha'Allah, it will bear fruit.

Let the wilderness and it's cities lift up their voice, the VILLAGES KEDAR inhabits.

Ooo-k! Let's look closer at these words I presented in RED...

Wilderness>> Original hebrew word used is MIDBAR meaning a pasture/open field/DESERT.

REFERENCE STRONG'S CONCORDANCE #4057

Ok, a little review will bring evrything into the LIGHT Insha'Allah.

A "NEW SONG" praising God will arrive after the already present PSALMS/TEHILLIM/ZABOOR in an area SOUTH OF JUDEA, in a COASTLAND/PASTURE/DESERT COUNTRY.

Ok, soooo looking on a map we will see 2 countries that most likely fit that description. They are known today as EGYPT & SAUDI ARABIA......not necessarily back when this foretelling was written.

But..........we don't know for sure you say right? It could be in Africa somewhere possibly? You know, I like to think of myself as a man of possibility and I couldn't rule that out, so for now it is not a definite spot as of yet. Though we have a description so far..........
Soooooo, let's continue shall we?

[illumin19]

KEDAR>>> dusky? NAY.....used in reference to a person since a person "inhabits". A son of ISHMAEL or collectively bedawin and descendants/representatives.

REFERENCE STRONG'S CONCORDANCE #6938

Well now this is definately interesting, what say you?
A son of ISHMAEL??? :o YOU MEAN ISAAC'S BROTHER FIRSTBORN OF ABRAHAM!!!??? (peace unto them both)

Well, who else my dear?.....Let's see if we can find anything relevant farther back shall we?

Genesis 21:18 ("Angel of God" speaking to Hagar Ishmael's mother)
"Arise, lift up the lad hold him with your hand, for I WILL MAKE HIM A GREAT NATION"

Genesis 17:20 (God speaking to Abraham [peace unto him])
For Ishmael , I heard you. I have blessed him ....will multiply him exceedingly....and I WILL MAKE HIM A GREAT NATION.


GREAT>> original hebrew word used is GADOL which means great (in any sense), elder?/exceedingly?/mighty?/NOBLE?/PROUD THING? etc...

STRONG'S CONCORDANCE #14:19
The way GREAT is used in Gen. 17:20 it must mean NOBLE because why would God say the say thing twice using multiply and multiply? God will multiply ISHMAEL exceedingly and make him a NOBLE NATION!
everything sounds good so far......

NATION>> original hebrew word used is GOY meaning a FOREIGN NATION/GENTILE/HEATHEN/PEOPLE

So let's review so far now shall we?
A "NEW SONG" praising God in an area SOUTH OF JUDEA, in an area that's a COASTLAND/DRY AREA/DESERT of KEDAR! KEDAR, being a son of ISHMAEL is therfore an "ISHMAELITE" NOT ISRAELITE!!!!

Following so far? Is it all beginning to make sense?

[illumin19]

So now, where is this land of KEDAR that is bringing a "NEW SONG" in praise of God SOUTH OF JUDEA, in a COASTLAND/DESERT?

Let's take a look shall we?

Ezekiel 27:32
"Arabia and all the princes of KEDAR were you regular merchants....

Isaiah 21:13-17 (Proclamation against Arabia[another prophesy!])
(13) In the forest of Arabia you will lodge...
(14) Inhabitants of the land of Tema.....
(16) all the glory of KEDAR will fail;
(17) the mighty men of KEDAR.....

Jeremiah 2:9-11
(9) I (God) will yet bring charges against you!"
(10) Beyond the coasts of Cyprus see, send to KEDAR and consider, see if there has been such a thing.
(11) Has a nation changed its gods, which are not gods??

Ahhhhh, now it seems to come together pretty clearly??????

KEDAR is present day "Arabia"!

Let's review shall we?

A "NEW SONG" praising God in an area SOUTH OF JUDEA, in an area that's a COASTLAND/DRY AREA/DESERT of KEDAR! KEDAR, being a son of ISHMAEL is therfore an "ISHMAELITE" NOT ISRAELITE..........in ARABIA!!!
:o

Now remember, the chapter has mentioned an "ELECT ONE"/SERVANT of God....Now ask yourself, WHO FITS THE DESCRIPTION OF A GENTILE/ISHMAELITE PRAISING GOD IN ARABIA??

With just verses 10 and 11 of Isaiah(peace unto him) Allah(subhanu wa ta' ala) totally DECIMATES any other argument, does he not?????

Nothing is coincidence......


Qur'an 33:40
Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but a messenger of God, and the seal of the prophets. God has knowledge of everything.

Qur'an 17:81
And say: "The TRUTH HAS COME AND FALSEHOOD VANISHED. SURELY FALSEHOOD IS EVER BOUND TO VANISH!

[illumin19]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMUKPUjxmF4


:D :D :D


Any questions?

[StackerKen]

wow illumin; You sure did have to do a lot of figuring and assuming to twist that to fit Mohammad.

Isaiah 42 Is about Jesus.....Not Mohammad

[illumin19]

wow illumin; You sure did have to do a lot of figuring and assuming to twist that to fit Mohammad.

Isaiah 42 Is about Jesus.....Not Mohammad


Greetings Ken,

Would you be so kind to show me what I "twisted" to make anything fit?

Thanks, have a great day.

[StackerKen]

wow illumin; You sure did have to do a lot of figuring and assuming to twist that to fit Mohammad.

Isaiah 42 Is about Jesus.....Not Mohammad


Greetings Ken,

Would you be so kind to show me what I "twisted" to make anything fit?

Thanks, have a great day.


Sorry Illumin; I don't really feel up to going over the boat load of stuff you posted with you right now.

The reason I say you twisted it is.... Isaiah 42 Is about Jesus.....Not Mohammad

[illumin19]

Here's a surah from that "NEW SONG" in Isaiah 42 10.......literally singing.
Is there any doubt?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSxzSVFAHzk


Qur'an 17:81
And say: "The TRUTH HAS COME AND FALSEHOOD VANISHED. SURELY FALSEHOOD IS EVER BOUND TO VANISH!


Those who love the truth will acknowledge it when they see it.......

[ximmy]

wow illumin; You sure did have to do a lot of figuring and assuming to twist that to fit Mohammad.

Isaiah 42 Is about Jesus.....Not Mohammad


Greetings Ken,

Would you be so kind to show me what I "twisted" to make anything fit?

Thanks, have a great day.


Sorry Illumin; I don't really feel up to going over the boat load of stuff you posted with you right now.

The reason I say you twisted it is.... Isaiah 42 Is about Jesus.....Not Mohammad



Ken, what illumin19 did is called "proof texting." Attempting to prove his point by pointing to a text of scripture...

Even if Mohammad were prophesied in the OT it still makes no difference for the christian, Islam is the recitation of the mosaic "law" with additional laws tacked on...

Not to be regarded for the christian who believes grace and freedom from law come in the resurrected Christ. For a christian, that would be backsliding, the NT calls the law a curse.

[illumin19]

^^^Yea the "new testament"........

but did Jesus(peace unto him) call it a curse??? :o
I'm pretty sure he followed it...am I wrong?


I used the bible to show you with references.....I could still go on, I only used 2 verses for your enjoyment!......(if you believe in the revelations of God)
I believe in all his revelations, does it mean I follow man in how they practice them???? NO!

[StackerKen]

wow illumin; You sure did have to do a lot of figuring and assuming to twist that to fit Mohammad.

Isaiah 42 Is about Jesus.....Not Mohammad


Greetings Ken,

Would you be so kind to show me what I "twisted" to make anything fit?

Thanks, have a great day.


Sorry Illumin; I don't really feel up to going over the boat load of stuff you posted with you right now.

The reason I say you twisted it is.... Isaiah 42 Is about Jesus.....Not Mohammad



Ken, what illumin19 did is called "proof texting." Attempting to prove his point by pointing to a text of scripture...

Even if Mohammad were prophesied in the OT it still makes no difference for the christian, Islam is the recitation of the mosaic "law" with additional laws tacked on...

Not to be regarded for the christian who believes grace and freedom from law come in the resurrected Christ. For a christian, that would be backsliding, the NT calls the law a curse.

Thanks Ximmy; And Illumin may have done a good job of proof texting...I don't know because I was lost reading it all.



the NT calls the law a curse

It Does? really? where?


Here is what I think the Bible says about the "law"

From Romans 7

7What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet." 8But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from law, sin is dead.

9Once I was alive apart from law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died.
10I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death.
11For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death.

12So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good. 13Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through what was good, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.

[ximmy]

Galatians 3:10 forward

10All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."[c] 11Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."[d] 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them."[e] 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."[f] 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

[StackerKen]

Good answer Ximmy! :)






Sorry, you can't repeat a karma action without waiting 1 hours.

I guess I need to wait ;D

[philo beddoe]

Are the hundreds of stories of suicide bombers Zionist BS too?

You know the ones that think they will receive 40 virgins if they Martyr themselves

Is that Zionist BS too?
Ken the problem is that you think of your 'christian brothers' first, and not WHITES FIRST.


Maybe that is because I'm not a white supremacist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissary

The you're just a janissary and a slave.

[StackerKen]

Galatians 3:10 forward

10All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."[c] 11Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."[d] 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them."[e] 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."[f] 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.




I think that may be saying the people are cursed not that the law is a curse...

The law is good....we just are not capable of following it to the T

I wish I was better at this.......

Spectizim where are ya?

[StackerKen]

Are the hundreds of stories of suicide bombers Zionist BS too?

You know the ones that think they will receive 40 virgins if they Martyr themselves

Is that Zionist BS too?
Ken the problem is that you think of your 'christian brothers' first, and not WHITES FIRST.


Maybe that is because I'm not a white supremacist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissary

The you're just a janissary and a slave.



Im fine thanks Philo.

Your right though...I am a slave to God. And his adopted Son ;D

[ximmy]

Galatians 3:10 forward

10All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."[c] 11Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."[d] 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them."[e] 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."[f] 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.




I think that may be saying the people are cursed not that the law is a curse...

The law is good....we just are not capable of following it to the T

I wish I was better at this.......

Spectizim where are ya?


Here you go Ken,

The law is (also) "against us," "opposed to us," and Jesus made it a "public spectacle."

God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. (Colossians 2:14-15)

and this

The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. (Hebrews 10:1)

[philo beddoe]

Are the hundreds of stories of suicide bombers Zionist BS too?

You know the ones that think they will receive 40 virgins if they Martyr themselves

Is that Zionist BS too?
Ken the problem is that you think of your 'christian brothers' first, and not WHITES FIRST.


Maybe that is because I'm not a white supremacist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissary

The you're just a janissary and a slave.



Im fine thanks Philo.

Your right though...I am a slave to God. And his adopted Son ;D
So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
let's play, name the scripture game............

[StackerKen]

Galatians 4:31

[StackerKen]

Galatians 3:10 forward

10All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."[c] 11Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."[d] 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them."[e] 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."[f] 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.




I think that may be saying the people are cursed not that the law is a curse...

The law is good....we just are not capable of following it to the T

I wish I was better at this.......

Spectizim where are ya?


Here you go Ken,

The law is (also) "against us," "opposed to us," and Jesus made it a "public spectacle."

God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. (Colossians 2:14-15)

and this

The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. (Hebrews 10:1)


Good stuff Ximmy! :)

[Fortyone]

My intention is truth,The butchering and enslavement of Christian Europeans by Islamics is a fact ,not parroting of "booga booga".If your a Christian, I dare you to go to Saudi Arabia and declare your right to worship, then youll see how scary those "moozlems" can be.If two thieves are robbing your home,is the one that thought of the idea more guilty than the other?



The "truth" [about the scary moozlems] you and a handful of others seem interested in propagating around here, is coincidentally or not, perfectly well aligned with the propaganda which the master thieves expend so much labor & pilfered capital trying to deceive the West into believing about scary moozlemism.

I know I know, I see you (guys variously) also working hard to build up your "credibility capital" with all the ADLfront "Stormfront" rhetoric admiring Hitler, hating on dajooz, and/or the "mud people" or whatever HATEhttp://www.messianic-torah-truth-seeker.org/Torah/Kashrut/logo-ou-kosher-48.gif terms are in vogue over there at ADLfront "Stormfront" nowdaze; and then trying to "spend" that imagined cred-capital by mixing it with generous amounts of the signature zio-propaganda payload:



http://anotherkcblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/jew-jitsu.jpg
scary moozlems wanna eat your babies booga booga!! :o


Some GSUS readers buy the shtick, others not so much... ;)




And your responses ring with a culture that is terrified about being outed for what they are, murderers and thieves,hidng behind American law.As I have mentioned before, i do not believe the Muslims were responsible for 9/11 whatsoever.Fact is, muslims have slaughtered so many in the name of their religion,and destroyed so many civilizations that it is unforgivable.Where Jews are the rats of the world, worming their way into other societies and destroying them from within, Muslims are locusts that consume everything left by the rats.
Anyone educated in history at all can see Im telling the truth, you just deflect the subject with accusations and name calling. prove me wrong and contest anything Ive ever posted concerning Islam/European history, you cant without lying.

[PatColo]

And your responses ring with a culture that is terrified about being outed for what they are, murderers and thieves,hidng behind American law.




LOL, very smooth Chutzpah-Maneuvering, Rabbi Fortyonestein! :D


http://profcartoon.com/sport/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/sofer-1.jpg




They're masters at projecting their own evil onto others, flipping reality 180 degrees, or what I call the chutzpah maneuver. This sham zionist 'Stop the Scary-Moozlemization of America' organization is a classic example: projecting their own intentions onto an innocent group, while posturing as 'protectors' with righteous & altruistic intentions.







[...] you just deflect the subject with accusations and name calling.




Brilliant! The cherry on the bagel! :lol

[Fortyone]

And your responses ring with a culture that is terrified about being outed for what they are, murderers and thieves,hidng behind American law.




LOL, very smooth Chutzpah-Maneuvering, Rabbi Fortyonestein! :D


http://profcartoon.com/sport/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/sofer-1.jpg




They're masters at projecting their own evil onto others, flipping reality 180 degrees, or what I call the chutzpah maneuver. This sham zionist 'Stop the Scary-Moozlemization of America' organization is a classic example: projecting their own intentions onto an innocent group, while posturing as 'protectors' with righteous & altruistic intentions.







[...] you just deflect the subject with accusations and name calling.




Brilliant! The cherry on the bagel! :lol



Bagels are a Polish invention actually,but you wouldnt know that would you? You cant challenge my facts, so you post your adolescent photos and continue with your useless retorts.

[PatColo]

I have No way of knowing for sure who "perpetrated 911"



It's not that hard to figure out who perp'd 911 Ken-- it's way late in the game to still be hiding behind "I don't know who perp'd 911", meanwhile helping the perps by parroting their propaganda demonizing the innocents who they framed. I dare say, that's not very Christian behavior. As someone who publicly touts your Christianity, you should invest some time researching the question of 911 so that you can develop a sound & well evidenced opinion.

http://rediscover911.com/introduction/
http://www.bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book
Was America Attacked by Muslims on 9/11? (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10142)





I have searched the web and found the Koran does teach Violence.




You could also search the web and find debunkings of the deceptive zio-translations/interpretations of the Koran which you're so happy to propagate.

You could also search the web and "find" that scary moozlems did 911, LOL.


http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/images/funny%20report.jpg

[illumin19]

"The reality of the Qur'an" (perfect titled thread).......it's in the Bible!


Reply's #19, #41, #42, #43, & #44 examining

Verses 10 & 11 of Isaiah 42.......rest of the chapter is even more convincing!



So, what do you think of the evidence presented so far??
Yay? Nay? Present the evidence, not just accusations....... 8)


[color=green]Qur'an 9:119
O believers, do not stray from the path of God, and be with those who are truthful.

[Fortyone]

"The reality of the Qur'an" (perfect titled thread).......it's in the Bible!


Reply's #19, #41, #42, #43, & #44 examining

Verses 10 & 11 of Isaiah 42.......rest of the chapter is even more convincing!



So, what do you think of the evidence presented so far??
Yay? Nay? Present the evidence, not just accusations....... 8)


[color=green]Qur'an 9:119
O believers, do not stray from the path of God, and be with those who are truthful.









Still not seeing it, try harder.

[illumin19]

^^^ Well I don't think I can make the blind see :D

[crazychicken]

Isn't that a riot! blah!

:redfc :redfc :redfc :redfc

CC



^^^ Well I don't think I can make the blind see :D

[PatColo]

Still not seeing it, try harder.



LOL that's twice in the same day I've felt that jooristic vibe... :P






Why should he tell you more? Get off your lazy ass and do some research. These people have put the information in front of you over and over. Start with that Maurice Pinay book that Awoke has linked over and over. Read the book in my sig line. Read the protocols.

*keep praying for that sandwich. Read the stuff for yourself and listen to what the holy spirit is telling you, or be ignorant and deceived. It's that simple.



eggsactly. Very JP-esque to keep asking the same tired asked-and-answered questions over & over, year after year (in jooristic's case), & endlessly posturing as 'still not seeing it'.

MO (in jooristic's case) is to waste honest posters' time on a chase-your-tail treadmill to nowhere.

[PatColo]

Gentiles, is it time to look at Judaism? (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/gentiles-is-it-time-to-look-at-judaism/)

article concludes as follows, with a final comment from Mark Glenn,


[...]
One of the greatest blessings America could receive today would be that her patriots looked below the surface of Israeli events and delved into what modern, Talmudic Judaism really teaches. They would quickly discover its power, ambitions and threat.


Source article By Harmony Daws with Rev. Ted Pike
is located here (http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/homicidalrabbifindswidesupport.htm).


P.S. My fellow naive gentile Americans, I hope the demonizing Muslims game is becoming obvious to you. It’s time to look at the source of the demonizing. There you’ll find the real enemy of mankind.


note form me. MG–Pardon the use of base language here, but nevertheless it is amazing to watch the plague of stupidity infecting the Christian right as they crap their pants in fear over THEM MOOZLEMS when their real enemy–Judaism–sets there with a razor blade to their collective throat and they do not realize it.

[Fortyone]

Gentiles, is it time to look at Judaism? (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/gentiles-is-it-time-to-look-at-judaism/)

article concludes as follows, with a final comment from Mark Glenn,


[...]
One of the greatest blessings America could receive today would be that her patriots looked below the surface of Israeli events and delved into what modern, Talmudic Judaism really teaches. They would quickly discover its power, ambitions and threat.


Source article By Harmony Daws with Rev. Ted Pike
is located here (http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/homicidalrabbifindswidesupport.htm).


P.S. My fellow naive gentile Americans, I hope the demonizing Muslims game is becoming obvious to you. It’s time to look at the source of the demonizing. There you’ll find the real enemy of mankind.


note form me. MG–Pardon the use of base language here, but nevertheless it is amazing to watch the plague of stupidity infecting the Christian right as they crap their pants in fear over THEM MOOZLEMS when their real enemy–Judaism–sets there with a razor blade to their collective throat and they do not realize it.



Now this one your getting a BIG thank you for! Ministers have elevated Jews above their own flock and they are stupid enough to believe it.

[PatColo]

Now this one your getting a BIG thank you for! Ministers have elevated Jews above their own flock and they are stupid enough to believe it.


I hope you and Ken, assuming you're honest Truth Seekers with virtuous intentions, will take a second look at the source (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/the-zionist-elephant-in-the-room/msg2940/#msg2940) of the demonizing Muslims game, and reconsider whether you should be helping these satan-worshiping master deceivers with bottomless resources, by helping them propagate their 'scary moozlems booga booga' poison around to your neighbors both cyber and real-world.

"The only thing necessary necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Sir Edmund Burke

"The only thing necessary necessary for the triumph of NWO-evil is for good men to unwittingly help the NWO evildoers by spreading their toxic poison around for them." - PatColo

Here's another good one from The Ugly Truth,

THE MORTAL PERIL OF CHRISTIAN ZIONISM IN AMERICA (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2010/08/03/the-mortal-peril-of-christian-zionism-in-america/)

concludes:

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In the final analysis, the Christian Zionist movement has been devastating to America, at least since the Fifties. We must either convince these people that an urgent peril is at our very doorstep, nay, within the very walls of the Christian Citadel itself, or politically neuter them before their fanaticism causes the American Golem to commit willful, national suicide-in the name of the Jews-not in the name of Jesus, The Christ.

[Fortyone]

Now this one your getting a BIG thank you for! Ministers have elevated Jews above their own flock and they are stupid enough to believe it.


I hope you and Ken, assuming you're honest Truth Seekers with virtuous intentions, will take a second look at the source (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/the-zionist-elephant-in-the-room/msg2940/#msg2940) of the demonizing Muslims game, and reconsider whether you should be helping these satan-worshiping master deceivers with bottomless resources, by helping them propagate their 'scary moozlems booga booga' poison around to your neighbors both cyber and real-world.

"The only thing necessary necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Sir Edmund Burke

"The only thing necessary necessary for the triumph of NWO-evil is for good men to unwittingly help the NWO evildoers by spreading their toxic poison around for them." - PatColo

Here's another good one from The Ugly Truth,

THE MORTAL PERIL OF CHRISTIAN ZIONISM IN AMERICA (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2010/08/03/the-mortal-peril-of-christian-zionism-in-america/)

concludes:

[size=2][...]
In the final analysis, the Christian Zionist movement has been devastating to America, at least since the Fifties. We must either convince these people that an urgent peril is at our very doorstep, nay, within the very walls of the Christian Citadel itself, or politically neuter them before their fanaticism causes the American Golem to commit willful, national suicide-in the name of the Jews-not in the name of Jesus, The Christ.


I dont demonize muslims Pat, Ive only told facts here. In Balkan/Eastern European history, Muslims have caused much misery and death to the peoples there,and are a continuing reminder of Ottoman occupation,It doesnt matter who controlled them,, they did indeed do the killing.YOU have to understand that.Like Ive told you before, I believe the religion of Islam is based on facts, but is a false interpretation.So IMO, its a false religion, just like these Zio-Christians. You can never say that Ive said that Muslims did 9/11,on the contrary, Ive always said the Zionists were behind it. You post good info concerning the events of 9/11,but are too damn defensive of Muslims as if they have never done wrong towards Western civilization.