Thomas Jefferson's Quran

[StackerKen]

Jefferson's War: America's First War on Terror 1801-1805




When Thomas Jefferson consulted the Quran, it was not out of respect for Islam, but to find out what motivated the Barbary States, enemies of the New United States, to make war on nations that had done them no harm. By Samuel L. Blumenfeld

Thomas Jefferson's Quran


Samuel L. Blumenfeld | The New American
01 September 2010


On Friday, August 13th, President Obama welcomed members of the Muslim community to the White House to celebrate the Islamic holiday of Ramadan with an Iftar banquet--the meal served after the sunrise-to-sunset fast.. Ramadan is the ninth month in the Islamic lunar calendar.


In the course of his flattering remarks about the great contributions of Muslims to America, the President mentioned the presence of two Muslim members of Congress: Andre Carson, Democrat from Indiana, and Keith Ellison, Democrat from Minnesota, who took his oath on Thomas Jefferson’s copy of the Quran, which had been preserved in the Library of Congress.

What the President didn’t mention is why Jefferson bought a Quran in London and why he read it. In preparing for war, he read it to find out what kind of religion the rulers of the Barbary States on the coast of North Africa believed in.

For centuries the Muslim pirates had cruised the Mediterranean sea, capturing ships and taking prisoners, forcing Christian nations to pay tribute for freedom of passage. To avoid such confrontations, some Christian nations were willing to appease the Islamic enemy by signing treaties that required them to pay a certain amount of tribute each year. It was a form of extortion that Muslims could impose on frightened Christians.

The pirates also raided coastline villages and took prisoners. The reason why so many Christian Greek coastal villages were built up in the hills was to provide protection against the depredations of the Muslims. Millions of Africans and thousands of Christian Europeans and Americans were enslaved by these raiders who killed many non-Muslim older men and women and kidnapped young women and children to be sold as concubines. The boys were often mutilated to create eunuchs for use in harems and as servants.

Keith Ellison, born in Detroit to a Catholic family, was converted at age 19 to Islam while at Wayne State University. While in law school he wrote articles in support of Louis Farrakhan, with whom he is no longer affiliated. He said he chose to use Jefferson’s Quran because it showed that “a visionary like Jefferson” believed that wisdom could be gleaned from many sources. Actually, it wasn’t wisdom that Jefferson gleaned from the Quran, but a realistic understanding of what the United States was up against with the Barbary Pirates.

In 1786, Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France, and John Adams, then the American ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the Tripolitan ambassador to Britain. American merchant ships had been captured by the Barbary corsairs and their crews and passengers imprisoned. They could only by freed by the payment of large ransoms. The Americans wanted to negotiate a peace treaty that would spare their ships these piratical attacks. Congress had been willing to appease the Barbary Pirates if only they could gain peace at a reasonable price.

During the meeting Jefferson and Adams asked the ambassador why Muslims held such hostility towards America, a nation with which they had had no previous contacts. Jefferson later reported to John Jay what the ambassador had told them, that the reason for the Muslims’ enmity, was that “It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman (Muslim) who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise.”

What was Paradise like? George Sale, the translator of the English edition of the Quran that Jefferson had purchased, wrote in his commentary:

The very meanest in paradise will have eighty thousand servants, seventy-two wives of the girls of paradise, besides the wives he had in this world, and a tent erected for him of pearls, jacinths, and emeralds, of a very large extent; and, according to another tradition, will be waited on by three hundred attendants while he eats, will be served in dishes of gold, whereof three hundred shall be set before him at once, containing each a different kind of food . . . There will be no want of wine, which, though forbidden in this life, will yet be freely allowed to be drunk in the next, and without danger, since the wine of paradise will not inebriate, as that we drink here. . . . .The inhabitants of paradise will not need to ease themselves, nor even to blow their nose, for that all superfluities will be discharged and carried off by perspiration, or a sweat as odoriferous as musk, after which their appetite shall return afresh.



So Jefferson was well aware of the superstitious lunacy and irrationality that motivated the Muslims willing to die as martyrs for Mohammed. And when he became President, he resolved to repel force by force. Within days of his inauguration, Jefferson ordered four warships to sail to the Barbary Coast and blockade and attack any Barbary State that was at war with the United States. Jefferson and his Cabinet all agreed that American power was needed to protect the young nation’s commercial interests in the Mediterranean.

Joseph Wheelan writes in Jefferson’s War, that the third U.S. President “pitted a modern republic with a free-trade, entrepreneurial creed against a medieval autocracy whose credo was piracy and terror. It matched an ostensibly Christian nation against an avowed Islamic one that professed to despise Christians…. Jefferson was willing to send a largely untried squadron across the Atlantic to go to war with a people whose customs, history, and religion were alien to the early American experience.”

The new President did not have a CIA to tell him what the enemy was like. He found that out by reading the Quran he had bought for his own edification. In other words, Jefferson’s copy of the Quran helped him understand the nature and mentality of the Muslim enemy. He was wise enough to do his own research long before the United States government had any intelligence apparatus.

The Barbary War was the first foreign war fought and won by the newly independent United States. After many attempts to appease the duplicitous Barbary Muslims, it was finally decided that force was the only way to put an end to the piracy. And thanks to Jefferson, a new U.S. Navy was created to fight and win this war.

The result was that the United States and the other Christian nations of Europe were then able to keep the Muslims at bay for over a hundred years. The French went so far as to invade Algeria and colonize it with Europeans. But in 1960 Charles de Gaulle undid it all. And now there are over five million Muslims in France. Indeed, the loss of Christian nerve has once more opened the gates of the West to a barbaric Muslim offensive.

It’s hard to believe that all of this history is unknown to Congressman Ellison as well as President Obama, who knows full well what is in the Quran and what motivates the global jihadists. He doesn’t need the CIA to tell him what we are up against in this new phase of our never-ending war with Islam, for as long as the religion of Islam exists it will never disobey its Prophet’s command to conquer unbelievers and dominate the world.


SOURCE:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/opinion/sam-blumenfeld/4479-thomas-jeffersons-quran

[madfranks]

No, no, no. Don't you know anything? Jefferson had a Quran because he was tolerant of all other cultures and wanted to learn all he could about this religion of peace.

[nunaem]

What are the odds that Mr. Blumenfeld favors muslim immigration into the US? Or any other equally hostile immigrants? He would only have us defend his interests in their countries, where we do not belong. His kind only wish to divide and conquer the US while fooling you into waging absurd wars for his kind's profit.

[illumin19]

Keith Ellison a muslim? Or Nation of Islam? Basically a opposite reflection of a white supremacist...



The very meanest in paradise will have eighty thousand servants, seventy-two wives of the girls of paradise, besides the wives he had in this world, and a tent erected for him of pearls, jacinths, and emeralds, of a very large extent; and, according to another tradition, will be waited on by three hundred attendants while he eats,

Hahahaha, yea TRADITION.....once again not in the Qur'an, go figure right? Why are some obsessed with the whole "72 virgins" thing in Paradise?........envious or what? :D

Other than that the author is pretty objective ::)........


I guess I'll let them graze this food (article), reminiscent of the tell-a-vision :baa :baa :baa



You know, I was at an all night gathering with speakers on society and Islam here in the U.S. and what these speakers said seems true to what they were saying...........

all the negative hype in the news about muslims is just going to multiply people of the faith.......get Islam known more.
That's the reason there's so much negativity, because the negative ones know that they can't stop the in roads muslims are making in society so fast.

I think it's true though.......muslims (alot) weren't as negativly affected by the recession due to the limitations on dealing with usury which is allowing them to build mosques..........plus you should see how much muslims donate to each other, it'll flip your wig back ;)

[Fortyone]

Keith Ellison a muslim? Or Nation of Islam? Basically a opposite reflection of a white supremacist...



The very meanest in paradise will have eighty thousand servants, seventy-two wives of the girls of paradise, besides the wives he had in this world, and a tent erected for him of pearls, jacinths, and emeralds, of a very large extent; and, according to another tradition, will be waited on by three hundred attendants while he eats,

Hahahaha, yea TRADITION.....once again not in the Qur'an, go figure right? Why are some obsessed with the whole "72 virgins" thing in Paradise?........envious or what? :D

Other than that the author is pretty objective ::)........


I guess I'll let them graze this food (article), reminiscent of the tell-a-vision :baa :baa :baa



You know, I was at an all night gathering with speakers on society and Islam here in the U.S. and what these speakers said seems true to what they were saying...........

all the negative hype in the news about muslims is just going to multiply people of the faith.......get Islam known more.
That's the reason there's so much negativity, because the negative ones know that they can't stop the in roads muslims are making in society so fast.

I think it's true though.......muslims (alot) weren't as negativly affected by the recession due to the limitations on dealing with usury which is allowing them to build mosques..........plus you should see how much muslims donate to each other, it'll flip your wig back ;)







What does a woman get anyway? 72 virgin men?

[StackerKen]

What I take from that article is,
Thomas Jefferson was worried about the "scary moozlums" way back then.

[illumin19]

Hey fortyone how are you doing?

Sooooo.......I didn't get a response from you in the other thread and from ken just an accusation he couldn't back........

What gives?

[Glass]

I think it is interesting that US imperialism is not considered piracy. By barging into other nations, killing the people and exploiting (stealing) the resources is not piracy? That demanding tribute to the Lord (of the land) by way of taxes, fines, infringements and soon by tythe (VAT) is considered free enterprise. That interdicting all forms of traffic on the higways, biways and waterways in and around your land is not considered piracy or protection money of highway men. Somehow when one group does it, it's legitimate and when other do it, it is not.

YET the descriptions of these Barbary pirates who are doing exactly the same thing is. Does anyone else see the hypocracy of it all? Its pot calling kettle as plain as anything else I have ever read.

[Joe King]

I think it is interesting that US imperialism is not considered piracy. By barging into other nations, killing the people and exploiting (stealing) the resources is not piracy? That demanding tribute to the Lord (of the land) by way of taxes, fines, infringements and soon by tythe (VAT) is considered free enterprise. That interdicting all forms of traffic on the higways, biways and waterways in and around your land is not considered piracy or protection money of highway men. Somehow when one group does it, it's legitimate and when other do it, it is not.

YET the descriptions of these Barbary pirates who are doing exactly the same thing is. Does anyone else see the hypocracy of it all? Its pot calling kettle as plain as anything else I have ever read.
I do.

[StackerKen]

I think it is interesting that US imperialism is not considered piracy. By barging into other nations, killing the people and exploiting (stealing) the resources is not piracy? That demanding tribute to the Lord (of the land) by way of taxes, fines, infringements and soon by tythe (VAT) is considered free enterprise. That interdicting all forms of traffic on the higways, biways and waterways in and around your land is not considered piracy or protection money of highway men. Somehow when one group does it, it's legitimate and when other do it, it is not.

YET the descriptions of these Barbary pirates who are doing exactly the same thing is. Does anyone else see the hypocracy of it all? Its pot calling kettle as plain as anything else I have ever read.


I see what you mean.

But there is a slight difference in the amount of freedom given to people by US imperialism vs Islamic Imperialism

Don't you think?

[DMac]

I think it is interesting that US imperialism is not considered piracy. By barging into other nations, killing the people and exploiting (stealing) the resources is not piracy? That demanding tribute to the Lord (of the land) by way of taxes, fines, infringements and soon by tythe (VAT) is considered free enterprise. That interdicting all forms of traffic on the higways, biways and waterways in and around your land is not considered piracy or protection money of highway men. Somehow when one group does it, it's legitimate and when other do it, it is not.

YET the descriptions of these Barbary pirates who are doing exactly the same thing is. Does anyone else see the hypocracy of it all? Its pot calling kettle as plain as anything else I have ever read.


I see what you mean.

But there is a slight difference in the amount of freedom given to people by US imperialism vs Islamic Imperialism

Don't you think?


Setting yourself up big time there Ken. Forget about our little holocaust in Iraq?

http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-08-14/1250265100008.jpg

[StackerKen]

I don't think I am Dmac....or i don't care if I am ???

Care to answer my question?

Don't you think there is a slight difference in the amount of freedom given to people by US imperialism vs Islamic Imperialism (or used to be)?

[DMac]

No Ken, I see no difference. Murder and mayhem are the same to me regardless of the skin color or creed of the perpetrator.

I think the American Indians might agree.

US imperialism is directed by Satanic forces. I believe Islamic imperialism is as well.

[StackerKen]

Dmac you would feel more free in one of these countries?

Afghanistan - Albania - Algeria - Azerbaijan
Bahrain - Bangladesh - Brunei - Burkina Faso
Comoros - Chad -Djibouti - Egypt
Gambia - Guinea - Indonesia
Iran - Iraq - Jordan - Kazakhstan - Kosovo
Kuwait - Kyrgyzstan - Lebanon - Libya - Malaysia
Maldives - Mali - Mauritania - Mayotte - Morocco
Niger - Nigeria - Oman - Pakistan - Palestinian territories
Qatar - Saudi Arabia - Senegal - Sierra Leone - Somalia
Sudan - Tajikistan - Tunisia - Turkey = Turkmenistan
United Arab Emirates - Uzbekistan - Western Sahara - Yemen

[DMac]

That's a weak deflection from what I wrote Ken.

[willie pete]

No Ken, I see no difference. Murder and mayhem are the same to me regardless of the skin color or creed of the perpetrator.

I think the American Indians might agree.

US imperialism is directed by Satanic forces. I believe Islamic imperialism is as well.


I'd agree with that, sure the American Indians got dumped on, so did the Central and South American Indians by the spanish explorers.....and all of mankind is corrupt, but it's like Orwell's Animal Farm some animals are more equal than others, ....some men are more corrupt than others :D

[StackerKen]

That's a weak deflection from what I wrote Ken.


I don't think so...I think it makes my point quite nicely :)

[DMac]

You made no point! You infer US murder inc is cool with you by then pasting a list of Muslim countries. What is the point of that?

[philo beddoe]

I don't think I am Dmac....or i don't care if I am ???

Care to answer my question?

Don't you think there is a slight difference in the amount of freedom given to people by US imperialism vs Islamic Imperialism (or used to be)?
There are probably more freedoms in an Islamic country .... for men. Here in the US, the laws are catered towards the bitch....and you know its true. You would prefer to be a slave to your woman?

[StackerKen]

You made no point! You infer US murder inc is cool with you by then pasting a list of Muslim countries. What is the point of that?


Where did I infer US murder was cool with me?

My Point was

There is a difference in the amount of freedom given to people by US imperialism vs Islamic Imperialism

So I will ask again....

Do you thought folk in those countries I listed have more freedom than folk in the U.S.?

[Libertytree]

It seems to me that Jefferson took the best intel he could find to try and route his foe, in this case muslim pirates.

I have no doubt that he also had intel on the central banking cartel and took measures to dispatch them as well.

In both cases he did so to protect America and Americans, any country that presents a threat of any kind should be dealt with as needed. If we took that stance today and dealt with ALL threats, not just selective retribution it would be a more reasonable stance. Zionists, radical muslims, communists, marxists etc..etc..should all be marked as enemies of America but we all know that's not likely to happen anytime soon. JMO.

[StackerKen]

I don't think I am Dmac....or i don't care if I am ???

Care to answer my question?

Don't you think there is a slight difference in the amount of freedom given to people by US imperialism vs Islamic Imperialism (or used to be)?
There are probably more freedoms in an Islamic country .... for men. Here in the US, the laws are catered towards the bitch....and you know its true. You would prefer to be a slave to your woman?


Do you really think so Philo?

Why don't you pick one and move there?

Don't you want more freedom?

[DMac]

Stop right there! Before stating that loaded question you made a terrible claim:

There is a difference in the amount of freedom given to people by US imperialism vs Islamic Imperialism

Since when does imperialism grant someone freedom? That is doublethink. Killing people does not free them.

Imperialism does not grant freedom. Imperialism TAKES freedom. Case in point, recent history - American imperialism and the Philippines.

You seem to have a very distorted concept of what is the definition of freedom.

Without living in some of those countries how can you claim one is more or less free? Come on do you really need to copy and paste junk like that? Somalia? Seriously!?? "Would you rather live in the US or Somalia?"

Since you seem to be so eager to call out Islamic countries, in the past 50 years, name me ONE that has been imperialistic.

[DMac]

I don't think I am Dmac....or i don't care if I am ???

Care to answer my question?

Don't you think there is a slight difference in the amount of freedom given to people by US imperialism vs Islamic Imperialism (or used to be)?
There are probably more freedoms in an Islamic country .... for men. Here in the US, the laws are catered towards the bitch....and you know its true. You would prefer to be a slave to your woman?


Do you really think so Philo?

Why don't you pick one and move there?

Don't you want more freedom?



This is the same kind of attitude that fits right in at FOX. Hannity type loaded garbage questions. Why are you persisting to see this as a black and white issue?

[philo beddoe]

I don't think I am Dmac....or i don't care if I am ???

Care to answer my question?

Don't you think there is a slight difference in the amount of freedom given to people by US imperialism vs Islamic Imperialism (or used to be)?
There are probably more freedoms in an Islamic country .... for men. Here in the US, the laws are catered towards the bitch....and you know its true. You would prefer to be a slave to your woman?


Do you really think so Philo?

Why don't you pick one and move there?

Don't you want more freedom?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUzd9KyIDrM&feature=channel

[StackerKen]

This is the same kind of attitude that fits right in at FOX. Hannity type loaded garbage questions. Why are you persisting to see this as a black and white issue?


I don't see it as a Black and white issue DMac.

You know I am not real smart...and I have a limited knowledge.


But I do think we have more freedom (for now) In the U.S. than folks in Islamic countries

Thats the point I was trying to make. And if you disagree...

Then why don't you want to move to an Islamic country?

Don't you want more freedom like Philo?


Philo? do you want more freedom?

[philo beddoe]

This is the same kind of attitude that fits right in at FOX. Hannity type loaded garbage questions. Why are you persisting to see this as a black and white issue?


I don't see it as a Black and white issue DMac.

You know I am not real smart...and I have a limited knowledge.


But I do think we have more freedom (for now) In the U.S. than folks in Islamic countries

Thats the point I was trying to make. And if you disagree...

Then why don't you want to move to an Islamic country?

Don't you want more freedom like Philo?


Philo? do you want more freedom?
Kenny you answered my question with your own question. You're smart enough to deflect. You first....do you like that bitches have more power than you?

[Libertytree]

Ken, even with my limited knowledge your logic escapes me. Freedom is relatively subjective and we have to remember that all countries are being manipulated and attacked based on their/our relative standards of beliefs and freedoms and used against us all.

Just look at the freedoms we've had taken in the name of our little jihad called anti-terrorism. We're just a useful pawn in the grand scheme of things.

[StackerKen]

This is the same kind of attitude that fits right in at FOX. Hannity type loaded garbage questions. Why are you persisting to see this as a black and white issue?


I don't see it as a Black and white issue DMac.

You know I am not real smart...and I have a limited knowledge.


But I do think we have more freedom (for now) In the U.S. than folks in Islamic countries

Thats the point I was trying to make. And if you disagree...

Then why don't you want to move to an Islamic country?

Don't you want more freedom like Philo?


Philo? do you want more freedom?
Kenny you answered my question with your own question. You're smart enough to deflect. You first....do you like that bitches have more power than you?


To be Honest Philo, I don't think I'vebeen affected by women having more power than I do.
I never really noticed.

[philo beddoe]

This is the same kind of attitude that fits right in at FOX. Hannity type loaded garbage questions. Why are you persisting to see this as a black and white issue?


I don't see it as a Black and white issue DMac.

You know I am not real smart...and I have a limited knowledge.


But I do think we have more freedom (for now) In the U.S. than folks in Islamic countries

Thats the point I was trying to make. And if you disagree...

Then why don't you want to move to an Islamic country?

Don't you want more freedom like Philo?


Philo? do you want more freedom?
Kenny you answered my question with your own question. You're smart enough to deflect. You first....do you like that bitches have more power than you?


To be Honest Philo, I don't think I'vebeen affected by women having more power than I do.
I never really noticed.
Maybe you should put down the bible ...and start looking at all the laws that are stacked against..................YOU! And then you should ask yourself....why the fuck do I care about laws in some other country, when I don't even understand the ones in my own?

[StackerKen]

Ken, even with my limited knowledge your logic escapes me. Freedom is relatively subjective and we have to remember that all countries are being manipulated and attacked based on their/our relative standards of beliefs and freedoms and used against us all.

Just look at the freedoms we've had taken in the name of our little jihad called anti-terrorism. We're just a useful pawn in the grand scheme of things.


Libertytree; My logic was in the simplest of forms...
I'm just asking what Country would we feel most free in today?.

I have no doubt that all the Governments of this world are corrupt.

and I never meant to imply otherwise

[Joe King]

Ken, even with my limited knowledge your logic escapes me. Freedom is relatively subjective and we have to remember that all countries are being manipulated and attacked based on their/our relative standards of beliefs and freedoms and used against us all.

Just look at the freedoms we've had taken in the name of our little jihad called anti-terrorism. We're just a useful pawn in the grand scheme of things.
I'd have to say that, yea, we have lost a lot.

These days if you actually want to live debt-free and avoid banks simply out of principle they seemingly want to look at you more and more as a terrorist while also making it as difficult as possible to actually use cash in any meaningful way.


Two of the main things I personally don't like about most Muslim Nations is how they subjugate their women and their use of sharia law.
I mean, women are people too. Right?

[StackerKen]

This is the same kind of attitude that fits right in at FOX. Hannity type loaded garbage questions. Why are you persisting to see this as a black and white issue?


I don't see it as a Black and white issue DMac.

You know I am not real smart...and I have a limited knowledge.


But I do think we have more freedom (for now) In the U.S. than folks in Islamic countries

Thats the point I was trying to make. And if you disagree...

Then why don't you want to move to an Islamic country?

Don't you want more freedom like Philo?


Philo? do you want more freedom?
Kenny you answered my question with your own question. You're smart enough to deflect. You first....do you like that bitches have more power than you?


To be Honest Philo, I don't think I've been affected by women having more power than I do.
I never really noticed.
Maybe you should put down the bible ...and start looking at all the laws that are stacked against..................YOU! And then you should ask yourself....why the f*ck do I care about laws in some other country, when I don't even understand the ones in my own?


:D


Naww.. I'm not gonna put down my bible....

I don't think there is much (right now) I can do about the Laws against me.
(except maybe just fly low and avoid their radar for now).

Why do i care about laws in other country's?

Maybe because I want folks everywhere to have their "unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

[philo beddoe]

This is the same kind of attitude that fits right in at FOX. Hannity type loaded garbage questions. Why are you persisting to see this as a black and white issue?


I don't see it as a Black and white issue DMac.

You know I am not real smart...and I have a limited knowledge.


But I do think we have more freedom (for now) In the U.S. than folks in Islamic countries

Thats the point I was trying to make. And if you disagree...

Then why don't you want to move to an Islamic country?

Don't you want more freedom like Philo?


Philo? do you want more freedom?
Kenny you answered my question with your own question. You're smart enough to deflect. You first....do you like that bitches have more power than you?


To be Honest Philo, I don't think I've been affected by women having more power than I do.
I never really noticed.
Maybe you should put down the bible ...and start looking at all the laws that are stacked against..................YOU! And then you should ask yourself....why the f*ck do I care about laws in some other country, when I don't even understand the ones in my own?


:D


Naww.. I'm not gonna put down my bible....

I don't think there is much (right now) I can do about the Laws against me.
(except maybe just fly low and avoid their radar for now).

Why do i care about laws in other country's?

Maybe because I want folks everywhere to have their "unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"


Lemme tell ya somethin' Ken.....One of the too big to fail banks mad a tiny little mistake against moi..... I used my legal knowledge to take em for nearly 3K without even having to show up in court ( they settled early) You can either speak the language of the law or have it spoken to you.

[StackerKen]

]Lemme tell ya somethin' Ken.....One of the too big to fail banks mad a tiny little mistake against moi..... I used my legal knowledge to take em for nearly 3K without even having to show up in court ( they settled early) You can either speak the language of the law or have it spoken to you.


WTG Philo!. I am glad to stuck it to them. Really I am.
Good Job.

Im not that smart.. I am just trying to get by and stay low to avoid the Flying "S" that hits the fan.

I think Im ok for now.

[philo beddoe]

]Lemme tell ya somethin' Ken.....One of the too big to fail banks mad a tiny little mistake against moi..... I used my legal knowledge to take em for nearly 3K without even having to show up in court ( they settled early) You can either speak the language of the law or have it spoken to you.


WTG Philo!. I am glad to stuck it to them. Really I am.
Good Job.

Im not that smart.. I am just trying to get by and stay low to avoid the Flying "S" that hits the fan.

I think Im ok for now.
If you have children and you have not prepared for their benefit with a living will and or trusts/joint tenancy acounts, you are not prepared. If your parents are alive and have not prepared for you they are enabling the joo.

[Fortyone]

Hey fortyone how are you doing?

Sooooo.......I didn't get a response from you in the other thread and from ken just an accusation he couldn't back........

What gives?




Give me the thread and Ill answer it promptly,unless I already have.I dont stay up late at night, so sometimes ill forget a similar topic when I log on again.