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wildcard
3rd September 2010, 08:09 AM
That's eazy! Water be all raycis and sheet.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11172054

Why don't black Americans swim?

By Finlo Rohrer

A month ago, six African-American teenagers drowned in a single incident in Louisiana, prompting soul-searching about why so many young black Americans can't swim.

When 15-year-old DeKendrix Warner accidentally stepped into deeper water while wading in the Red River in Shreveport, he panicked.

JaTavious Warner, 17, Takeitha Warner, 13, JaMarcus Warner, 14, Litrelle Stewart, 18, Latevin Stewart, 15, and LaDarius Stewart, 17, rushed to help him and each other.

None of them could swim. All six drowned. DeKendrix was rescued by a passer-by. (white?)

Maude Warner, mother of three of the victims, and the other adults present also couldn't swim.

The US has almost 3,500 accidental drownings every year, almost 10 a day.

But according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the fatal drowning rate of African-American children aged five-14 is three times that of white children.

A recent study sponsored by USA Swimming uncovered equally stark statistics.

Just under 70% of African-American children surveyed said they had no or low ability to swim. Low ability merely meant they were able to splash around in the shallow end. A further 12% said they could swim but had "taught themselves".

The study found 58% of Hispanic children had no or low swimming ability. For white children, the figure was only 42%.

StreetsOfGold
3rd September 2010, 08:15 AM
why don't they play hockey, while you're at it?

wildcard
3rd September 2010, 08:15 AM
why don't they play hockey, while you're at it?


Because frozen water be all raycis an sheet too.

1970 silver art
3rd September 2010, 08:19 AM
I was taught how to swim when I was much younger. However, the last time that I have been in the water to swim was back in the mid '90's when I was in college.

Cebu_4_2
3rd September 2010, 08:23 AM
I saw a movie where they put infants in the water and they swam. They were white children but just the same black kids should have that instinct??? Idonno I haven't been black in quite a while.

ShortJohnSilver
3rd September 2010, 08:35 AM
Obviously the answer is "due to a lack of funding" .

gunDriller
3rd September 2010, 09:22 AM
i swim about 3 days a week, and in the last 20 years have seen 2 fellow swimmers who were African American (out of 1000's).

i noticed that one of them was putting on loads of skin conditioner afterwards. never seen somebody pay so much attention to their skin.

i get eczema (dry skin) if i don't use moisturizer. from watching that one guy, and also from seeing the problem one African American friend had with shaving (hard on his skin, not sure why), it makes me wonder if the chlorinated pool water somehow hurts the skin of African Americans more.

wildcard
3rd September 2010, 09:30 AM
Well, I know from marine corps boot camp that 99% of them sink like rocks. Most of them fail the swim qual 2 or 3 times. They told them it was because of muscle mass, but the musclebound white guys didn't seem to sink.

goldleaf
3rd September 2010, 09:33 AM
Alligators? ;D

General of Darkness
3rd September 2010, 09:41 AM
The REAL answer is because their parents don't give two craps about their little cash cow niglets. Blacks expect the state to raise their kids and unless the state PROVIDES swimming classes, they'll drown.

My parents paid money when I was a child to learn how to swim, because they were concerned about my welfare, black parents, not so much.

Spectrism
3rd September 2010, 09:48 AM
I was taught how to swim when I was much younger. However, the last time that I have been in the water to swim was back in the mid '90's when I was in college.



Dude- you gotta dunk a little more frequently than that!


Back to the question... black Americans.... hmmm .... maybe they did not get lessons from black Africans? or black Brits? or black Frenchies?

Seriously though... I think blacks have heavier density bodies so they do not float as easily. Folks I knew who were black did fine as long as they kept moving. When they stopped... there was no flotation. All you honkies is made of marshmallows- you float on water like marshmallows on hot cocoa.

Spectrism
3rd September 2010, 09:50 AM
The REAL answer is because their parents don't give two craps about their little cash cow niglets. Blacks expect the state to raise their kids and unless the state PROVIDES swimming classes, they'll drown.

My parents paid money when I was a child to learn how to swim, because they were concerned about my welfare, black parents, not so much.


Come on bud. Ain't no need to talk like that. Some blacks are my brothers and sisters just as some whites are. I do not approve of wholesale slaughter or slander.

wildcard
3rd September 2010, 09:50 AM
So the moat will be making a comeback.

k-os
3rd September 2010, 09:57 AM
I have to say, it was pretty cool (deadly, but cool) of them all to jump in to save that one guy, when they also couldn't swim. That poor kid is going to have some serious guilt, considering he's the only survivor, and it was because of him that they jumped in.

On the radio about a month ago I heard a news story about a black family that was out on a boat in South Florida, and when the dad threw the anchor, he went in too. He drowned. The 911 call was of the wife who was audibly horrified, but she couldn't do anything, because she also couldn't swim. All I kept thinking was . . . who goes in a boat if they can't swim? I mean, a cruise, I can understand. It's a floating hotel. But a small craft where you have to handle the anchor? Sad.

I know how to swim, but my parents didn't have to pay anyone to teach me. I just learned somehow. Our neighbors had pools, and I didn't want to be left out of the summer fun. Perhaps there just aren't a lot of pools in their neighborhoods.

willie pete
3rd September 2010, 10:01 AM
I have to say, it was pretty cool (deadly, but cool) of them all to jump in to save that one guy, when they also couldn't swim. That poor kid is going to have some serious guilt, considering he's the only survivor, and it was because of him that they jumped in.

On the radio about a month ago I heard a news story about a black family that was out on a boat in South Florida, and when the dad threw the anchor, he went in too. He drowned. The 911 call was of the wife who was audibly horrified, but she couldn't do anything, because she also couldn't swim. All I kept thinking was . . . who goes in a boat if they can't swim? I mean, a cruise, I can understand. It's a floating hotel. But a small craft where you have to handle the anchor? Sad.

I know how to swim, but my parents didn't have to pay anyone to teach me. I just learned somehow. Our neighbors had pools, and I didn't want to be left out of the summer fun. Perhaps there just aren't a lot of pools in their neighborhoods.


IF I didn't know how to swim and I happen to be on a boat, in the water, I'd have some type of floatation device on...lol

Book
3rd September 2010, 10:11 AM
http://www.nostalgiaholic.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/whitefro1.jpg

http://files.myopera.com/bonghead/blog/afro-bigger.jpg

:oo-->

Afro-Sponge must weigh fifty pounds when wet.

wildcard
3rd September 2010, 10:15 AM
I have to say, it was pretty cool (deadly, but cool) of them all to jump in to save that one guy, when they also couldn't swim. That poor kid is going to have some serious guilt, considering he's the only survivor, and it was because of him that they jumped in.

On the radio about a month ago I heard a news story about a black family that was out on a boat in South Florida, and when the dad threw the anchor, he went in too. He drowned. The 911 call was of the wife who was audibly horrified, but she couldn't do anything, because she also couldn't swim. All I kept thinking was . . . who goes in a boat if they can't swim? I mean, a cruise, I can understand. It's a floating hotel. But a small craft where you have to handle the anchor? Sad.

I know how to swim, but my parents didn't have to pay anyone to teach me. I just learned somehow. Our neighbors had pools, and I didn't want to be left out of the summer fun. Perhaps there just aren't a lot of pools in their neighborhoods.


Having been a lifeguard I can tell you this: a drowning person will do ANYTHING to live, to get one more breath. That usually means grabbing what ever is close and pushing down so that you can get your head up high enough to grab a breath. They taught us to swim to the back of someone that was thrashing or just wait for them to go under.

*and if you were grabbed to just go limp and sink...they'll let go.

StackerKen
3rd September 2010, 10:15 AM
IF I didn't know how to swim and I happen to be on a boat, in the water, I'd have some type of floatation device on...lol


I was just gonna say the same thing

8 bucks at walmart

http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/04/44/11/57/0004441157619_215X215.jpg


Most of the kids on my block growing up, learned to swim early on by being pushed of the diving board.
sink or swim...I'm pretty sure we all swam :) I think it is kinda instinctive isn't it?

Joe King
3rd September 2010, 10:22 AM
I think it is kinda instinctive isn't it?
Once I figured out that I could float it did seem instinctive to try adding propulsion to the equation.

hoarder
3rd September 2010, 10:56 AM
Blacks do have more density, are heavier than water. In the continent of crocodiles and hippopotamuses, those without fear of water might have been eliminated from the gene pool.

basplaer
3rd September 2010, 10:58 AM
Yup, was the same when I joined the navy. About 15 brothers out of 80 of us in boot camp. When it came to open water swim quals and jumping from whatever height we had to plunge from they all sunk. They all learned to swim tho or it was a boot from service (at least in '89 it was)

DMac
3rd September 2010, 12:24 PM
My black friends can swim but that's only because I grew up near the beach. They do laugh that most brothers don't know how. Naturally we've all followed up the question with (wacist*) jokes.

So for the shits and giggles I searched the urban dictionary for wacist:

1. wacist

A korean racist, or a racist as labeled by a korean.


WTF?! A korean racist? LOL!

Silver Rocket Bitches!
3rd September 2010, 12:59 PM
Theories for low black American swimming rates

* Propagation of incorrect scientific theories such as black people being much less buoyant
* Historic factors going as far back as slaves not being allowed to learn to swim
* Denial of access to pools in 1920s and 30s causing ripple effect to present day
* Lack of municipal pools in predominantly black neighborhoods in 1960s onwards
* Perception of swimming as elitist or white sport
* Cooling off on a hot day is easier with a fire hydrant
* Chlorine and Jheri Curl Juice together is toxic

LuckyStrike
3rd September 2010, 01:56 PM
swimmers who were African American



They are from africa and obtained US citizenship?

gunDriller
3rd September 2010, 02:06 PM
My parents paid money when I was a child to learn how to swim, because they were concerned about my welfare, black parents, not so much.


that's what it boils down to.

my Dad taught us how to swim when i was 4, and introduced me to body-surfing when i was 6 somewhere on Long Island, where we played in shore-dump waves.

i think for a lot of people that introduction to swimming comes at the beach.

do African American people not go to the beach as much ? is there a genetic thing involved - they don't enjoy laying in the sun as much ?

there's a million places in San Diego where you can drive and hang at the beach. i don't think it's a financial thing.

maybe this is one positive thing Obama can do, is sponsor a teach-everyone-how-to-swim program.

then when the first generation of African Americans learns how to swim, they will probably teach their kids to swim.

personally i would like to see China promote swimming and surfing because they have a huge population to draw from. i think in a few generations we'll have a Chinese Pro Surfing world champ. then with that huge talent pool, we'll see a Chinese version of Dane Reynolds / Kelly Slater.

Neuro
3rd September 2010, 02:22 PM
They are generally from a lower socio-economic background and they don't have access to pools lakes or beaches and swimming lessons, at an early age. And black parents who can't swim themselves don't think it is important their kids can't swim either.

Could have something to do with body density too, but I haven't read about it.

Parents teach your kids to swim, it is a good skill to have regardless of race!

LuckyStrike
3rd September 2010, 02:34 PM
They are generally from a lower socio-economic background and they don't have access to pools lakes or beaches and swimming lessons, at an early age.


Dude there are public pools in every city, the only people I've ever seen at public pools are blacks. So take the "they're poor, so the can't afford things that Whitey takes for granted" BS elsewhere.

They don't get taught to swim because who is going to teach them, their aunties who weigh 500 lbs? Their fathers who only stuck around till he finished with their mom, zipped up and left?

I just think in general it's not something blacks are interested in sorta like mathematics, science or literature. Not trying to make a joke but seriously I don't think swimming is high on their "to do" list.

StackerKen
3rd September 2010, 02:37 PM
Surfing in Liberia
Phillips Baini, 15, Samuel Browne,15, and James Menssah, 18 catch a wave

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00563/Surfing_in_LIberia_563605a.jpg


Alfred Lomax: Liberia’s First Professional Surfer?

http://surf.transworld.net/1000082319/news/alfred-lomax-liberia%E2%80%99s-first-professional-surfer/



.

chad
3rd September 2010, 03:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zjCc_VyxM4&feature=player_embedded

The buoyancy issue is a fact. It takes more effort, especially among negro males to swim.


that kicks ass. ;D

madfranks
3rd September 2010, 05:17 PM
Theories for low black American swimming rates

* Cooling off on a hot day is easier with a fire hydrant


Scientifically speaking, on a hot summer day, black skin absorbs more heat and so it would be natural to conclude that blacks would have a higher incentive to learn methods and techniques of cooling off during the summer; swimming being an enjoyable and practical method of getting rid of excess body temperature. Yet, the data shows the exact opposite - the mind boggles trying to explain it!!!1!!1

silversurfer
3rd September 2010, 05:42 PM
backyard swimming pool

the great equalizer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gceqlyu1rPk

Glass
3rd September 2010, 06:26 PM
IF I didn't know how to swim and I happen to be on a boat, in the water, I'd have some type of floatation device on...lol


I was just gonna say the same thing

8 bucks at walmart

http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/04/44/11/57/0004441157619_215X215.jpg


Most of the kids on my block growing up, learned to swim early on by being pushed of the diving board.
sink or swim...I'm pretty sure we all swam :) I think it is kinda instinctive isn't it?


That's how I was taught. Chucked off the end of the pier and had to swim back in. Seemed to work. Down here kids are being aclimatized to water from very young. Infant age in fact. With so many back yard pools and beautiful beaches it's important. Still we have a fair few youngsters drowning. It is pretty scarey though how kids, even those taught the basics of keeping their head above water will just lay face first in the water if they fall in. Seen it myself and its silent. Unless you are watching with your eyes you wouldn't know it was happening.

Someone posted a very good explanation of what really happens when people are drowning. Was very good read, disturbing but worth knowing. Anyone remember that?

Edit: I think this is it. Drowning does not look like Drowning (http://boingboing.net/2010/07/20/drowning-doesnt-look.html).


The kind of drowning you see on T.V.—think thrashy, screamy—doesn't have much in common with what real drowning looks like, according to writer and Navy/Coast Guard veteran Mario Vittone. That's because of something called the Instinctive Drowning Response, a pattern of behavior that appears to be hard-wired into humans and pops up whenever somebody feels like they're suffocating in water.

Frank Pia, Ph.D., the psychologist and lifeguard to first described the Instinctive Drowning Response explains it this way:

1. Except in rare circumstances, drowning people are physiologically unable to call out for help. The respiratory system was designed for breathing. Speech is the secondary or overlaid function. Breathing must be fulfilled, before speech occurs.

2. Drowning people's mouths alternately sink below and reappear above the surface of the water. The mouths of drowning people are not above the surface of the water long enough for them to exhale, inhale, and call out for help. When the drowning people's mouths are above the surface, they exhale and inhale quickly as their mouths start to sink below the surface of the water.

3. Drowning people cannot wave for help. Nature instinctively forces them to extend their arms laterally and press down on the water's surface. Pressing down on the surface of the water, permits drowning people to leverage their bodies so they can lift their mouths out of the water to breathe.

4. Throughout the Instinctive Drowning Response, drowning people cannot voluntarily control their arm movements. Physiologically, drowning people who are struggling on the surface of the water cannot stop drowning and perform voluntary movements such as waving for help, moving toward a rescuer, or reaching out for a piece of rescue equipment.

5. From beginning to end of the Instinctive Drowning Response people's bodies remain upright in the water, with no evidence of a supporting kick. Unless rescued by a trained lifeguard, these drowning people can only struggle on the surface of the water from 20 to 60 seconds before submersion occurs.

In real life, a drowning person will be a lot more still and silent than you expect.

Ash_Williams
3rd September 2010, 08:31 PM
I've heard density is a factor. I have the same problem. I am 185 right now and people would guess I'm 150 max, and I sink like a stone (although I'm white). I sink even in a lifejacket, and quickly. I can swim, but I don't enjoy it, I'm not good at it, and it is difficult for me. I'm certainly not out of shape or anything (I can run a marathon no problem), I just find it a huge effort to stay above water. It's funny because I'm rather tall and lean and people assume from my body that I'd be a good swimmer.

If you look at a guy like micheal phelps, he manages to look fairly muscular and large overall despite being just 195 at 6'4. That is low density (despite the muscle). I'm 5 inches shorter than him, and at 195 I don't really look any more muscular... actually at 195 I looked a lot like him. By BMI, I'm overweight, while everyone thinks I'd be underweight. I'm just too damn dense. I doubt phelps could swim all that well if someone tied a 45lb rock to him.

I don't know what it is that makes the difference. I heard bone density once but never looked into it. I also have a habit of not bruising under any circumstance, so it could be something to do with tissue. Either way, I know I'm at a much higher risk than downing than other people so I try to stay within 20 feet of shore at all times.

Stop Making Cents
3rd September 2010, 08:33 PM
Nobody wants a turd floating in the pool

StackerKen
3rd September 2010, 08:37 PM
Hmmmm I must be extra white (light) :)

I can lay on my back in a swimming pool and float.
But only if I relax, otherwise my legs will sink a bit

willie pete
3rd September 2010, 08:42 PM
Hmmmm I must be extra white (light) :)

I can lay on my back in a swimming pool and float.
But only if I relax, otherwise my legs will sink a bit


I thought about this too Kenster, before I could swim, I'd just lay on my back in the water, arms extended and head tilted back as far as I could, Holding my breath, extending your feet up, and I'd float as long as I wanted too

Cebu_4_2
3rd September 2010, 08:42 PM
Ken that's a great picture, hope it's really you.

zap
3rd September 2010, 08:43 PM
I have been swimming since I was 7 I don't know why, maybe my mom wanted to get us out of the house in the summer so she sent us to swimming lessons.

Seems as though there are alot of black people in the inner city, you'd think they would go to the YMCA or Local pool ? ???

I don't know.

But you will never catch my butt swimming in the ocean, I am not Sharkbait. :D

Saul Mine
3rd September 2010, 08:44 PM
Why is it so freaking hard for forum hangers on to say "I don't know" instead of making up some bullstuff remark?

It's not a disgrace to admit you don't know something. It is a disgrace to pretend you know something when you don't.

zap
3rd September 2010, 08:44 PM
you suck



You are a Circle talker hahahahha ;D

zap
3rd September 2010, 08:46 PM
Why is it so freaking hard for forum hangers on to say "I don't know" instead of making up some bullstuff remark?

It's not a disgrace to admit you don't know something. It is a disgrace to pretend you know something when you don't.



I did Saul I don't know.

StackerKen
3rd September 2010, 08:46 PM
Ken that's a great picture, hope it's really you.


Thanks...Of course its me...lol...who else would it be?


Ya think maybe I hacked someones face book page and stole their pictures to use here? :)

BarneyFag
3rd September 2010, 08:53 PM
The college near me offers free swim lesson for kids and toddlers. I signed my 1 year old daughter up at the time and we did the lessons. There was actually one black father there in our age group. Luckily nothing was stolen.

BrewTech
3rd September 2010, 10:42 PM
Why is it so freaking hard for forum hangers on to say "I don't know" instead of making up some bullstuff remark?

It's not a disgrace to admit you don't know something. It is a disgrace to pretend you know something when you don't.


This post is a perfect example of the type of post one will read totally out of context, and still consider it glorious. It doesn't even matter what the discussion thread is about... the post is a perfect stand-alone.

Awesome.

StackerKen
3rd September 2010, 10:55 PM
Why is it so freaking hard for forum hangers on to say "I don't know" instead of making up some bullstuff remark?

It's not a disgrace to admit you don't know something. It is a disgrace to pretend you know something when you don't.


This post is a perfect example of the type of post one will read totally out of context, and still consider it glorious. It doesn't even matter what the discussion thread is about... the post is a perfect stand-alone.

Awesome.


Saul is wise.

ximmy
3rd September 2010, 11:55 PM
Why is it so freaking hard for forum hangers on to say "I don't know" instead of making up some bullstuff remark?

It's not a disgrace to admit you don't know something. It is a disgrace to pretend you know something when you don't.


This post is a perfect example of the type of post one will read totally out of context, and still consider it glorious. It doesn't even matter what the discussion thread is about... the post is a perfect stand-alone.

Awesome.


Saul is wise.


"Why do you shamelessly waste my time like this?"

http://wavs.unclebubby.com/wav/MOVIES/Fast-Times/idontknow_ft.wav

gunDriller
4th September 2010, 05:47 AM
Why is it so freaking hard for forum hangers on to say "I don't know" instead of making up some bullstuff remark?

It's not a disgrace to admit you don't know something. It is a disgrace to pretend you know something when you don't.


This post is a perfect example of the type of post one will read totally out of context, and still consider it glorious. It doesn't even matter what the discussion thread is about... the post is a perfect stand-alone.

Awesome.


Saul is wise.


"Why do you shamelessly waste my time like this?"

http://wavs.unclebubby.com/wav/MOVIES/Fast-Times/idontknow_ft.wav


just a little thread drift.

ANDY IRONS WON @ TEAHUPOO !!!

and Kelly Slater did another free-fall into a 10 routine.

kregener
4th September 2010, 05:52 AM
Suicide?

To get away from being called 'DeKendricks' the rest of his life?

1970 silver art
4th September 2010, 05:58 AM
Why is it so freaking hard for forum hangers on to say "I don't know" instead of making up some bullstuff remark?

It's not a disgrace to admit you don't know something. It is a disgrace to pretend you know something when you don't.


This post is a perfect example of the type of post one will read totally out of context, and still consider it glorious. It doesn't even matter what the discussion thread is about... the post is a perfect stand-alone.

Awesome.


Saul is wise.


"Why do you shamelessly waste my time like this?"

http://wavs.unclebubby.com/wav/MOVIES/Fast-Times/idontknow_ft.wav


just a little thread drift.

ANDY IRONS WON @ TEAHUPOO !!!

and Kelly Slater did another free-fall into a 10 routine.


Once again my gut feeling was wrong. I think I picked Kelly Slater to win. Oh well............

gunDriller
4th September 2010, 07:06 AM
just a little thread drift.

ANDY IRONS WON @ TEAHUPOO !!!

and Kelly Slater did another free-fall into a 10 routine.


Once again my gut feeling was wrong. I think I picked Kelly Slater to win. Oh well............

in terms of the 2010 championship, Slater practically did win.

next up is Trestles, then the European leg, then Puerto Rico (unless it's washed out by hurricane or Corexit), then Pipeline.

all Slater's strengths - and Andy's strengths - and Mick Fanning's strengths.

Slater is better tactically and the race is tight enough that tactics will play a huge role.

i would rather Taj Burrow or Dane or Jordy win, but - to do that, they need to step up at Trestles.

anyway, i hope they get good waves @ Trestles. which runs Sept. 12 to 18, just a week away.

wildcard
4th September 2010, 07:15 AM
I know what will get them into the water.


http://www.jimmyvaliant.com/nigtrap.jpg

StackerKen
4th September 2010, 09:56 AM
Once again my gut feeling was wrong. I think I picked Kelly Slater to win. Oh well............



You can watch Kelly's 10 point wave and some other highlights here

http://billabongpro.com/tahiti10/videos-view/tah10_quarter_final_3/

wildcard
4th September 2010, 10:01 AM
Now ken, what did you say about trolling other people's threads? Go to the corner...

StackerKen
4th September 2010, 10:03 AM
http://worldradio.ch/wrs/bm~pix/timeout_kenwilcox~s600x600.jpg

wildcard
4th September 2010, 10:17 AM
Now if you think you can behave you can go play in your thread:


http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/stackerken%27s-totally-rad-surfing-thread-cowabunga-dude!/

k-os
4th September 2010, 10:28 AM
Why is it so freaking hard for forum hangers on to say "I don't know" instead of making up some bullstuff remark?

It's not a disgrace to admit you don't know something. It is a disgrace to pretend you know something when you don't.


I think you are wise, for sure, and I agree with you 99% of the time, but this is the 1% where I don't.

What kind of forum would this be if we all just said "I don't know" to all of the things we don't know? It would be a very lame one, filled with one original post and all "I don't know" posts to follow.

This whole forum is made up entirely of everyone giving their opinions, thoughts, ideas and theories.

I do agree that it's not a disgrace to admit that you don't know something. It's also not a disgrace to hypothesize, even if you don't know the answer.

1970 silver art
4th September 2010, 10:44 AM
Why is it so freaking hard for forum hangers on to say "I don't know" instead of making up some bullstuff remark?

It's not a disgrace to admit you don't know something. It is a disgrace to pretend you know something when you don't.


I think you are wise, for sure, and I agree with you 99% of the time, but this is the 1% where I don't.

What kind of forum would this be if we all just said "I don't know" to all of the things we don't know? It would be a very lame one, filled with one original post and all "I don't know" posts to follow.

This whole forum is made up entirely of everyone giving their opinions, thoughts, ideas and theories.

I do agree that it's not a disgrace to admit that you don't know something. It's also not a disgrace to hypothesize, even if you don't know the answer.


There is no "wrong answer" when someone is expressing an opinion on a topic. However, I also have to agree with Saul that it is not a disgrace to admit that you do not know a particular topic. I am speaking for myself when I say this but if there is a thread on a topic that I do not know anything about or that I do not have an opinion about, then I do not bother to post on that particular thread. I will, however, read that particular thread to gain knowledge if I am interested in that thread topic. I would agree with you that too many "I don't knows" in a thread makes for a terrible thread.

SLV^GLD
4th September 2010, 10:53 AM
I would contend that it IS a disgrace to "hypothesize" strictly for the sake of disseminating more hate.

Personally, I've never witnessed any disparity in races when it comes to swimming. I don't doubt that it exists but I have spent my entire life swimming and in all that time it looked like a fairly homogeneous mix of people not drowning out there. The few people I have known in life who could not swim at all were white.

I would say that unless you have a really good reason for being afraid of the water then you owe it to yourself to learn how to swim. If you have that reason then you owe it to yourself to face your fears and learn how to swim. In my opinion, swimming is about as important of a skill as walking or driving.

gunDriller
4th September 2010, 11:24 AM
Once again my gut feeling was wrong. I think I picked Kelly Slater to win. Oh well............



You can watch Kelly's 10 point wave and some other highlights here

http://billabongpro.com/tahiti10/videos-view/tah10_quarter_final_3/


i surf because ... the water makes me feel good.


what i'm talking about - they have an ad campaign where the prof surfers finish the sentence, "i surf because ..."

StackerKen
4th September 2010, 11:52 AM
Once again my gut feeling was wrong. I think I picked Kelly Slater to win. Oh well............



You can watch Kelly's 10 point wave and some other highlights here

http://billabongpro.com/tahiti10/videos-view/tah10_quarter_final_3/


i surf because ... the water makes me feel good.


what i'm talking about - they have an ad campaign where the prof surfers finish the sentence, "i surf because ..."


its not just Pro surfers driller they are asking everyone to answer that on a Picture of there choice.

http://www.isurfbecause.com/

I did it a couple days ago...And you know what?.. I Gave that Exact same answer you just did...

Because it feels good!


http://isurfbecause.com/files/large/5ca5508dc9f912b14ebf22de7525628f2886f371.jpg

they are giving away Prizes


http://isurfbecause.com/g/5ca5508dc9f912b14ebf22de7525628f2886f371.html

wildcard
4th September 2010, 12:37 PM
Ken, do you really want me to trash your thread with my views?