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LuckyStrike
3rd September 2010, 03:29 PM
http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/hageeteapartyin.htm

By Harmony Daws
2 Sep 10

Conservative star Glenn Beck’s recent “Restoring Honor” event was attended by perhaps hundreds of thousands and covered by major media. Mega-pastor John Hagee was among the religious leaders who spoke; he led a closing prayer to the “God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob” and asked forgiveness of America’s sins. “Through moral and spiritual compromise,” the Zionist leader prayed, “we have allowed our nation to conform to the ways of the world by rejecting the Word of God.” Yet few evangelical pastors have more grossly betrayed the Bible than John Hagee.

Hagee has “made it a practice for 25 years not to target Jews for conversion.”At his Christians United for Israel rallies, he forbids mention of the name of Jesus, in praise or prayer. And although betraying this central tenet of Christianity, the heretical pastor remains popular. Although so controversial that John McCain distanced himself from Hagee’s endorsement in 2008, Hagee appears influential among Tea Partiers. In 2006, Barna polls reported Hagee was regarded by Pentecostals as one the top ten spokesmen for Christianity. Glenn Beck, who is riding a wave of tremendous popularity, has promoted Hagee’s book Can America Survive? 10 Prophetic Signs That We Are the Terminal Generation. This month the book is number seven on the New York Times political bestsellers list. Hagee can be seen on YouTube listing all ten of the signs in conversation with Beck.

It is not surprising that Beck provides a platform to the arch Christian Zionist, as he himself panders to the Anti-Defamation League. Earlier this month Beck related the Biblical fact that Jews were responsible for Jesus’ death. Jumped on by ADL for what it regards as “anti-Semitism,” Beck backtracked. “ I strongly believe that it is a historical fact that the Romans, not the Jews, put Jesus to death…” Beck says he wants to dialogue with ADL so that he can better understand the “injustices” (online hate speech, Christian “homophobia,” criticism of Israel?) that “ADL is fighting.”

In his Beck-blessed bestseller, Hagee says the one thing we won’t survive is rejecting Israel, “the only nation created by an eternal covenant with God.” Hagee says Jews have a divine mandate to possess Palestine and America will be destroyed if we attempt to force a return of any land to the dispossessed Arabs. He compares American pressure on Israel to withdraw from illegal settlements to British attempts to appease Hitler. “God promises that all nations that use their influence to divide the land of Israel will be brought to a swift and severe judgment.” (p. 27)

Because Hagee’s theology lines up with the most zealous, anti-peace right-wingers in Israel, it is no surprise that rabidly anti-Gentile, anti-Palestinian settlers and rabbis receive tremendous financial support from his coffers. Christian Zionists yearly funnel more than a million dollars into their coffers. In fact, they directly contribute to the persecution of the approximately 15,000 Messianic Jewish Christians who live in Israel today. They live “under the perpetual wrath of the haredim, who for the most part alienate and discriminate against them…”

Hagee has even contributed $500,000 of evangelical donations to the city of Ariel, which is noted for its particular persecution of Messianic believers. (See, Jews Against Jesus)

[Recently] Hagee was the guest of honor of the city of Ariel. The pro-settler news outlet Arutz Sheva described the "tribute ceremony" by Hagee's supporters in the sports hall named in his honor. "Hundreds of Ariel residents, led by city officials and Mayor Ron Nachman, were moved by the outpouring of love from the Christian friends of Israel and responded in kind with warm applause and embraces, which reached a peak with the singing of the Israeli and U.S. anthems."

During the gathering, Pastor Hagee delivered an aggressive and patriotic address supportive of the State of Israel and decrying the U.S. government's policy of pushing Israel to make security concessions to the Arabs that threaten its existence. "The Land of Israel is the country and the land of the Jews," Hagee said fervently. He earned loud applause when he declared: "We believe that the Jews are the chosen people, God's beloved, and that Jerusalem will be united forever and not divided, under Jewish sovereignty.” (Ha’aretz .com)

Hagee’s donations also go to Gush Katif, Jewish settlers who resist territorial compromise and land withdrawals. They also go to Young Israel, which Richard Silverstein describes as “one of the most virulent U.S. Orthodox groups supporting the most extreme of the settlers and settlements.” Silverstein reports this about two other recipients of Hagee’s largesse:

"Shurat Ha-Din is an Israeli-American group using 'lawfare' to wage war against the Arab world. It sues Arab banks alleging that they accept deposits from militant groups in violation of U.S. law. The group also hosts “Intellitours” to Israel which include meetings with Shin Bet assassins who’ve perpetrated targeted assassinations.

"Nefesh B’Nefesh resettles new immigrants who make aliya. It makes a special point of directing these immigrants to West Bank settlements and subsidizes their lives there. In effect, this is yet another means of providing ideological and financial support to the settler movement."

Here are some of the Orthodox pro-settler groups receiving money from Hagee:

Gush Katif, $200,000

Young Israel, $150,000

Shurat Ha-Din, $100,000

Nefesh B’Nefesh, $1,000,000

Ariel (settlement), $500,000

Gush Etzion, $150,000

Far right-wing sentiment and the violent, racial/religious supremacism of the Talmud have motivated many murderous statements by respected rabbis in Israel. (See our last two articles.) Real bloodshed is resulting from their vitriol. Jewish terrorist Yakov Teitel has been indicted for the murders of a Palestinian taxi driver and Palestinian shepherd; for the attempted poisoning of Palestinian village residents; and for attempting to murder the son of a Messianic family in Ariel by sending them an explosive disguised as a Purim gift. Teitel is a follower of Rabbi Shapira, whose King’s Torah justifies the killing of non-Jews. (See, Homicidal Rabbi Finds Wide Support in Israel) Dov Lior, another radical rabbi and friend of Shapira, has instructed IDF soldiers, “There is no such thing as civilians in wartime… A thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jew’s fingernail!” Lior does advocate keeping a few non-Jews alive: captured militants who could be used for live human medical experiments! Journalist Daniel Estrin says Rabbi Lior remains “a respected figure among many mainstream Zionists.”

In addition to violating the Biblical mandate to preach the gospel to everyone, Hagee disobeys another important, clearly stated command: to make donations first to the “household of faith”—not unbelieving Jews who persecute Christians. Hagee supports right-wing rabbis and Zionist education—not mercy to displaced Palestinians or defense of Jewish Christians in Israel!

Also, Hagee supports an undivided Jerusalem, which would mean kicking out East Jerusalem’s Arab inhabitants whose ancestors lived there for millennia. “If America puts pressure on Israel to divide Jerusalem we are following the blueprint of the Prince of Darkness,” the pastor has said.

Thus Hagee, alleged representative of Christianity, wages war not only against fellow believers, the Bible and Palestinians—but any possibility of a two-state solution providing Arab autonomy. This means he is against the Mideast peace process itself.

StackerKen
3rd September 2010, 07:51 PM
This is some of what one of my favorite "wise counsels" says about Hagee


Hank Speaks Out

The Teachings of John Hagee

March 12, 2008

I, like many of you, am glued to the television watching the primaries and, of course, McCain is now representing the Republican party. I was rather intrigued by the fact that he stood next to John Hagee and said he was proud to receive the endorsement of John Hagee. I think if John McCain had a little more insight into what John Hagee taught he might not be so proud of that endorsement.

John Hagee, among other things, calls the Roman Catholic church the great whore of Babylon depicted in Revelation 17. This is nonsense. He is a replacement theologian who believes that Israel will replace the church as the focus of God's plans during the Tribulation and not only so, but that two thirds of the Jews are going to be slaughtered in a holocaust that's going to make the Nazi holocaust pale by comparison and that in the not-too-distant future.

He has the temerity to call others replacement theologians because they don't distinguish between people on the basis of race. I am to John Hagee a replacement theologian which, of course, is nonsense. I simply don't think that God, in any way, judges people on the basis of race. Rahab was a Canaanite and yet she was true Israel because she believed in Yahweh, the God of Israel. Ruth was a Moabite, the archenemy of Israel, and yet she was a true Israel because she believed in Yahweh, the God of Israel. If you look at Esther you see that the nations look on and see how the sovereign God raises up Esther, and the text tells us that many different people from many different nations became Jews. They didn't change their birth mother, but they believed in Yahweh, the God of Israel. So again, this has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with relationship.

Of course, he wants an ethnically exclusive state in the Middle East and says that God has given Jerusalem only to the Jews. He has gone so far as to say that if America divides Jerusalem there will be no forgiveness - that America will end up on the ash heap of history. So anyone that wants a two-state solution in the Middle East and believes that God does not put Arabs on a different footing than Jews, that we, at the foot of the cross are equal, he will denounce. For him that's poking your finger in the eye of God.

Again, I think that if John McCain understood what this man teaches he would be as quick to distance himself from John Hagee as Barack Obama was to distance himself from Louis Farrakhan, who is also a racist. We need to know what these people teach. Unfortunately, because they're visible, a lot of people assume that they represent evangelicalism in some strange way and, as a result, marginalize Christians. This is not the case. We do not, in any way, hold to what John Hagee teaches.




More articles about Hagee from his .org here

http://search.equip.org/search.php?zoom_query=%09+John+Hagee

LuckyStrike
3rd September 2010, 08:03 PM
As for Ruth not being an Israelite is utter bunk and we can go into it if you care too.

Here is part of an article regarding Ruth
http://anglo-saxonisrael.com/site/finck-phoenicians

Upon the conquest of the land of Canaan by the Israelites, the entire land was divided amongst the twelve tribes (Josh. 11:23), as described in Joshua chapters 13 through 21. While many of today’s ‘scholars’ deny it (most likely because they haven’t found many jews in their archaeological diggings), the Biblical record shows with certainty that the various Israelite tribes did for some time occupy the lands which they were given, even if from that time forward they were often identified by geographical location, the district or town which they inhabited, more often than by the name of their tribe (hence Ruth the “Moabite”, David the “Ephrathite”, Jephthah the “Gileadite” et al.). Strabo, speaking of Moses and the Israelite conquest of Canaan (and the terms which he uses are later geographic labels), says that under Moses’ successors the Israelites “seized the property of others and subdued much of Syria and Phoenicia” (16.2.37), exactly as they were commanded to do (i.e. Deut. 11:8, 23-24), even if Strabo thought meanly of it – obviously not understanding the circumstances (like most ‘scholars’ of today).

I don't think Yahweh is going to contradict himself.

Deu 23:2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD;
even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of
the LORD.
Deu 23:3 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation
of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into
the congregation of the LORD for ever:

StackerKen
3rd September 2010, 08:29 PM
Hmmm..... Interesting Nordic

The book of Ruth says she was a Moabite.

Ruth 1:4

New International Version (©1984)
They married Moabite women, one named Orpah and the other Ruth. After they had lived there about ten years,

New Living Translation (©2007)
The two sons married Moabite women. One married a woman named Orpah, and the other a woman named Ruth. But about ten years later,

English Standard Version (©2001)
These took Moabite wives; the name of the one was Orpah and the name of the other Ruth. They lived there about ten years,

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
They took for themselves Moabite women as wives; the name of the one was Orpah and the name of the other Ruth. And they lived there about ten years.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Each son married a woman from Moab. One son married a woman named Orpah, and the other son married a woman named Ruth. They lived there for about ten years.

King James Bible
And they took them wives of the women of Moab; the name of the one was Orpah, and the name of the other Ruth: and they dwelled there about ten years.

American King James Version
And they took them wives of the women of Moab; the name of the one was Orpah, and the name of the other Ruth: and they dwelled there about ten years.

American Standard Version
And they took them wives of the women of Moab; the name of the one was Orpah, and the name of the other Ruth: and they dwelt there about ten years.

Bible in Basic English
And they took two women of Moab as their wives: the name of the one was Orpah, and the name of the other Ruth; and they went on living there for about ten years.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And they took wives of the women of Moab, of which one was called Orpha, and the other Ruth. And they dwelt there ten years.

Darby Bible Translation
And they took them Moabitish wives; the name of the one was Orpah, and the name of the second Ruth: and they abode there about ten years.

English Revised Version
And they took them wives of the women of Moab; the name of the one was Orpah, and the name of the other Ruth: and they dwelled there about ten years.

Webster's Bible Translation
And they took to themselves wives of the women of Moab; the name of the one was Orpah, and the name of the other Ruth: and they dwelt there about ten years.

World English Bible
They took them wives of the women of Moab; the name of the one was Orpah, and the name of the other Ruth: and they lived there about ten years.

Young's Literal Translation
and they take to them wives, Moabitesses: the name of the one is Orpah, and the name of the second Ruth; and they dwell there about ten years.

...

I think Ruth must have become an "Israelite" some how though...

Isn't Ruth the Great grand mother of King David?

LuckyStrike
3rd September 2010, 08:42 PM
Aside from the historical accounts in the link above these are passages that make me think she was an Israelite from Moab, not a racial moabite.

And he said unto the kinsman, Naomi, that is come again out of the country of Moab, selleth a parcel of land, which was our brother Elimelech's:

Rth 3:9 And he said, Who art thou? And she answered, I am Ruth thine handmaid: spread therefore thy skirt over thine handmaid; for thou art a near kinsman.

Rth 3:12 And now it is true that I am thy near kinsman

Rth 2:5 Then said Boaz unto his servant that was set over the reapers, Whose damsel is this?
Rth 2:6 And the servant that was set over the reapers answered and said, It is the Moabitish damsel that came back with Naomi out of the country of Moab:

Rth 2:20 And Naomi said unto her daughter in law, Blessed be he of the LORD, who hath not left off his kindness to the living and to the dead. And Naomi said unto her, The man is near of kin unto us, one of our next kinsmen.

StackerKen
3rd September 2010, 11:12 PM
Ruth 1:16 But Ruth replied, "Don't urge me to leave you or to turn back from you. Where you go I will go, and where you stay I will stay. Your people will be my people and your God my God

General of Darkness
3rd September 2010, 11:35 PM
I'm not an atheist but I do see the fact that religion is all about control. It's been that way for millenniums, and until man is able to break those bonds we'll keep killing ourselves under false ideologies.

StackerKen
3rd September 2010, 11:50 PM
I'm not an atheist but I do see the fact that religion is all about control. It's been that way for millenniums, and until man is able to break those bonds we'll keep killing ourselves under false ideologies.


General
But what about countries like Russia that for a long time didn't allow religion?

I think the bible is feared by some governments.
I think Bibles are still illegal in some countries
China, Malaysia, Myanmar, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan ?


For a long time the rulers in england did not want the common folks to be able to read the bible for themselves

and some of the 1st guys that translated it to English were killed for it.


I think they figured they would lose control.....

The truth sets folks free :)

General of Darkness
4th September 2010, 12:09 AM
Ken,

The only answer I can give is, is that I don't know.

I guess if there's a GOD I'd hope I'll be judged on my actions.