Love and compassion...

[Gaillo]

Weigh in, biatches! ;D

[Horn]

Are we talkin about that weepy infatuate kinda of "in love", or just your ordinary garden variety?


If so, I don't do that spicy stuff, especially with Gaillo(s).

[philo beddoe]

Yeah well that's how far gone and how fucked up America is. Like you have to fuckin earn it? We left the village for tight ethnic enclaves in cities, and then on to the even worse socially isolating suburbs (engineered by GM and the oil companies) You have to earn it? Professor sez: go watch Highlander and learn something. We all deserve our own village with our OWN clansmen

[Gaillo]

Are we talkin about that weepy infatuate kinda of "in love", or just your ordinary garden variety?


If so, I don't do that spicy stuff, especially with Gaillo(s).



Just the garden-variety "love your fellow man" kind.

[k-os]

Unless I get really bad vibes, I am compassionate and loving to most people . . . until they do me wrong.

[Horn]

Are we talkin about that weepy infatuate kinda of "in love", or just your ordinary garden variety?


If so, I don't do that spicy stuff, especially with Gaillo(s).



Just the garden-variety "love your fellow man" kind.


Even, philoB.? ;D

[Horn]

Unless I get really bad vibes, I am compassionate and loving to most people . . . until they do me wrong.


Is there a long list somewhere? :o

[zap]

Yeah well that's how far gone and how f*cked up America is. Like you have to f*ckin earn it? We left the village for tight ethnic enclaves in cities, and then on to the even worse socially isolating suburbs (engineered by GM and the oil companies) You have to earn it? Professor sez: go watch Highlander and learn something. We all deserve our own village with our OWN clansmen


Damn you just can't help yourself can you ! (you rotten apple)

I have compassion for all even those who don't deserve it.


Yes you should always guard your heart or it will be stomped on and broke many times.

Compassion it a different story, I have compassion for all, even rotten apples. ;)

[Gknowmx]

Weigh in, biatches! ;D


For you from Rand:

"I do not hold compassion as a virtue, because it requires people to be suffering so that one can be compassionate."

what say you?

[StackerKen]

I have compassion for all even those who don't deserve it.


Yes you should always guard your heart or it will be stomped on and broke many times.

Compassion it a different story, I have compassion for all, even rotten apples. ;)


Great answer Zap! :)

Im with ya there.

I couldn't find the right answer to vote for though.

[Horn]

I couldn't find the right answer to vote for though.


That explains your neglectfulness of me lately. :-*

[StackerKen]

I couldn't find the right answer to vote for though.


That explains your neglectfulness of me lately. :-*



Awww Im sorry Horn |--0--|

[Horn]

I couldn't find the right answer to vote for though.


That explains your neglectfulness of me lately. :-*



Awww Im sorry Horn |--0--|


Next time it happens I'll just text you, OK?

I would like the relationship to remain platonic until then.

[StackerKen]

OK ;D

[Gaillo]

Weigh in, biatches! ;D


For you from Rand:

"I do not hold compassion as a virtue, because it requires people to be suffering so that one can be compassionate."

what say you?


I say that so long as we live in a world where people DO suffer, compassion CAN be a virtue... Just as long as those who we feel compassion for (and act accordingly towards) don't abuse our generosity. In a perfect world, Rand is correct... there would be no need for such a thing.

[Cebu_4_2]

Fvcking assholes, need I say more?

Edit: sorry i was on another planet when this was taken from me.

[wildcard]

I have striven to drive all compassion from my heart. I'm almost there. :P

[Horn]

Just as long as those who we feel compassion for (and act accordingly) don't abuse our generosity.

The definition of which is a varied and wide as the Pacific.

One man's abuse is anothers adulation.

Yes, I know far from perfect.

[Cebu_4_2]

Shit I dont even know how to contact Gaillo to not ban me... this sucks.

[Gaillo]

sh*t I dont even know how to contact Gaillo to not ban me... this sucks.


No worries... Just PM me here or send an email to gaillo11@hotmail.com - no matter what you say, I won't ban you. That goes for everyone else here too... I welcome any kind of mail - love letters, hate mail, death threats... The sky's the limit! ;D

[mightymanx]

Love everyone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAQkn6u4RtM&feature=related

how the hell else are you suposed to make an honest living. ;)

[ximmy]

If treated as a person with an equal voice and opportunity, I don't know if love has any boundaries...

but the more someone thinks themselves better than another... the less I love them...

[Serpo]

Become centred in love and compassion from the heart and the whole world changes,this is the future for man.
We have over worked our brains too much and believe them to be reality when in fact they are not.
From love comes understanding,from understanding comes compassion ,from compassion comes action,this is life and life is great,something we only need to realise.
Cant do it .......only thing blocking you is your very own mind. hahaha

[Joe King]

Become centred in love and compassion from the heart and the whole world changes,this is the future for man.Yep. And hopefully at somepoint, it will be.

We have over worked our brains too much and believe them to be reality when in fact they are not. Yep. Sorta like Bill Hicks says in his "life is a ride" analogy.

From love comes understanding,from understanding comes compassion ,from compassion comes action,this is life and life is great,something we only need to realise.That's a real good way of putting it. After reading that, I can see where lots of people tend to want to get from love to action without the two steps inbetween. Which in fact are the glue that holds the ends together.

[Fortyone]

Im of the earned variety. I tend to warm up slowly.

[1970 silver art]

Love? What's that? Ha. You are kidding me. Compassion? What's that? Ha. You are kidding me.

99.999999% of the time I am just a very cynical and very selfish person in real life. The only people that I care for are my parents (and my brother) and that is it for me. There are rare instances that I try my very best to open up to people that I like to meet and that are very interesting to me but as I said, that is very rare for me.

[Gknowmx]

So, compassion is conditional? How do we decide who is an innocent sufferer versus someone with moral terpitude who's suffering is self-inflicted through abusing themselves or others? Where is the absolute value standard that ranks suffering; is suffering subjective, or objective? And if I am a cancer researcher, or doctor, how do I triage which suffering to focus my own passion? Am I to help the most? the immediate? the unusual? the innocent? Do I devote ALL of my available resources to those who suffer in the present tense which will exclude my ability to help those in the future?

How is choice #1 different than choice #2 above? In the end, the extender of compassion has subjectively decided the terms based on their own standard. What is not clear, is that with choice #2, where is the boundary? Is choice #1 considered "rational compassion" and choice #2 "irrational compassion"? Are they mutually exclusive?







Weigh in, biatches! ;D


For you from Rand:

"I do not hold compassion as a virtue, because it requires people to be suffering so that one can be compassionate."

what say you?


I say that so long as we live in a world where people DO suffer, compassion CAN be a virtue... Just as long as those who we feel compassion for (and act accordingly towards) don't abuse our generosity. In a perfect world, Rand is correct... there would be no need for such a thing.

[wildcard]

If treated as a person with an equal voice and opportunity, I don't know if love has any boundaries...

but the more someone thinks themselves better than another... the less I love them...



:P

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii46/Dolvio/kitchen-1.jpg

[Libertytree]

Love and compassion are both a decision
Respect and trust are earned
All are risks and freely given
but the reward is when they're freely returned.

[Ponce]

Unless I get really bad vibes, I am compassionate and loving to most people . . . until they do me wrong.


We are in the same page..........and I am good at judging people with the vibes.

[philo beddoe]

If treated as a person with an equal voice and opportunity, I don't know if love has any boundaries...

but the more someone thinks themselves better than another... the less I love them...

Did you forget equal responsibilities? :o

[Saul Mine]

If you have to earn it it's not love: it's wages.

[Gknowmx]

I saw a saying at resonated:

To love is nothing,
To be loved is something,
To love and be loved is everything.

[MAGNES]

I voted one, everything must be earned.

Just like on here, you must earn, that's life.

People earn the animosity as well. They work hard to earn it, some of them.

If you behave like a cockroach and do damage people should step on you.

[StackerKen]

I saw a saying at resonated:

To love is nothing,
To be loved is something,
To love and be loved is everything.


Great song!

Could you be love and be loved?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M99NEm3GfYU


Could you be loved and be loved?

Don't let them fool ya,
Or even try to school ya! Oh, no!
We've got a mind of our own,
So go to hell if what you're thinking is not right!
Love would never leave us alone,
A-yin the darkness there must come out to light.

Could you be loved and be loved?
Could you be loved, wo now! - and be loved?

(The road of life is rocky and you may stumble too,
So while you point your fingers someone else is judging you)
Love your brotherman!
(Could you be - could you be - could you be loved?
Could you be - could you be loved?
Could you be - could you be - could you be loved?
Could you be - could you be loved?)

Don't let them change ya, oh! -
Or even rearrange ya! Oh, no!
We've got a life to live.
They say: only - only -
Only the fittest of the fittest shall survive -
Stay alive! Eh!

Could you be loved and be loved?
Could you be loved, wo now! - and be loved?

[Gaillo]

Weigh in, biatches! ;D


For you from Rand:

"I do not hold compassion as a virtue, because it requires people to be suffering so that one can be compassionate."

what say you?


I say that so long as we live in a world where people DO suffer, compassion CAN be a virtue... Just as long as those who we feel compassion for (and act accordingly towards) don't abuse our generosity. In a perfect world, Rand is correct... there would be no need for such a thing.




So, compassion is conditional?

Absolutely.



How do we decide who is an innocent sufferer versus someone with moral terpitude who's suffering is self-inflicted through abusing themselves or others?

This requires objective knowledge of the person you are being compassionate toward, knowledge of their circumstances and character (values). Thus the "conditional" nature of compassion.



Where is the absolute value standard that ranks suffering; is suffering subjective, or objective?

Usually, suffering (at least the kind that is met with compassion) is self-evident... but I don't think it can be "ranked" in any but the coarsest scale. However, the other possibility is that someone is "putting on a show" in an attempt to seek charity, so again... objective knowledge of their circumstances and character is required if the person exhibiting compassion is not to be deceived and abused.



And if I am a cancer researcher, or doctor, how do I triage which suffering to focus my own passion? Am I to help the most? the immediate? the unusual? the innocent? Do I devote ALL of my available resources to those who suffer in the present tense which will exclude my ability to help those in the future?

That is a question that I am not suited to answer, as I realized in my youth that I had no "way" with people (basically found most of them to be somewhat scary), and chose to go into technical fields instead of medicine or social work ("compassionate" careers). I would imagine, though, that if one were a doctor or social worker and attempting to "triage", complete detachment would be required along with a keen sense ("eye") for people and human nature. I don't think bleeding-heart types would make it very far, or be very effective in those fields. Perhaps our resident physician can shed some light... Mamboni? Paging Dr. Mamboni?



How is choice #1 different than choice #2 above? In the end, the extender of compassion has subjectively decided the terms based on their own standard. What is not clear, is that with choice #2, where is the boundary? Is choice #1 considered "rational compassion" and choice #2 "irrational compassion"? Are they mutually exclusive?

I'm only interested in the rational type, which I've attempted to outline... I have no knowledge or comment to make on "irrational compassion". I'll leave that to the bleeding-heart lib types, "Agape (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agape)" Christians and hippies to answer.

[Tumbleweed]

Love and compasion are freely given but driven away by anger, selfishness, arogance, greed, disrespect, unfaithfulnes, dishonesty, laziness, being inconsiderate, unkind, or abusive.