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Ponce
3rd September 2010, 09:37 PM
This is the start of what I posted long ago.......... "In the future you will have a Devit-Credit Card where all that you earn will go there and all that you spent will come from there".......thre is no scaping it.
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The Death Of Cash? All Over The World Governments Are Banning Large Cash Transactions.


Posted on 08/29/10 at 7:45pm by Michael Snyder

Are we witnessing the slow but certain death of cash in this generation? Is a truly cashless society on the horizon? Legislation currently pending in the Mexican legislature would ban a vast array of large cash transactions, but the truth is that Mexico is far from alone in trying to restrict cash. All over the world, governments are either placing stringent reporting requirements on large cash transactions or they are banning them altogether. We are being told that such measures are needed to battle illegal drug traffic, to catch tax evaders and to fight the war on terror. But are we rapidly getting to the point where we will have no financial privacy left whatsoever? Should we just accept that we have entered a time when the government will watch, track and trace all financial transactions? Is it inevitable that at some point in the near future ALL transactions will go through the banking system in one form or another (check, credit card, debit card, etc.)?

The truth is that we now live at a time when people who use large amounts of cash are looked upon with suspicion. In fact, authorities in many countries are taught that anyone involved in a large expenditure of cash is trying to hide something and is probably a criminal.

And yes, a lot of criminals do use cash, but millions upon millions of normal, law-abiding citizens simply prefer to use cash as well. Should we take the freedom to use cash away from the rest of us just because a small minority abuses it?

Unfortunately, the freedom to use cash is being slowly stripped away from us in an increasingly large number of countries.

In fact, as countries like Mexico "tighten the noose" around big-ticket cash purchases, our freedom to use cash is going to erode rather rapidly.

The following is a summary of some of the very tight restrictions being placed on large cash transactions around the globe right now....

Mexico

In Mexico, a bill before the legislature would completely ban the purchase of real estate in cash. In addition, the new law would ban anyone from spending more than MXN 100,000 (about $7,700) in cash on vehicles, boats, airplanes and luxury goods.

$7,700 is not a very high limit, and this legislation has some real teeth to it. Anyone violating this law would face up to 15 years in prison.

Greece

In Europe, some of the "austerity packages" being introduced in various European nations include very severe restrictions on the use of cash.

In Greece, all cash transactions above 1,500 euros are being banned starting next year. The following is a comment by Greek Finance Minister George Papaconstantinou at a press conference discussing the new austerity measures as reported by Reuters....

"From 1. Jan. 2011, every transaction above 1,500 euros between natural persons and businesses, or between businesses, will not be considered legal if it is done in cash. Transactions will have to be done through debit or credit cards"

Italy

Even Italy has gotten into the act. As part of Italy's new "austerity measures", all cash transactions over 5,000 euros will be banned. It is said this is being done to crack down on tax evasion, but even if this is being done to take down the mafia this is still quite severe.

The United States

The U.S. government has not banned any large cash transactions, and hopefully it will not do so any time soon, but it sure has burdened large cash transactions with some heavy-duty reporting requirements.

For example, your bank is required to file a currency transaction report with the government for every deposit, withdrawal or exchange over $10,000 in cash.

Not only that, but if a bank "knows, suspects, or has reason to suspect" that a transaction involving at least $5,000 is "suspicious", then another report must be filled out. This second type of report is known as a suspicious activity report, and it is also filed with the government.

But the reporting does not stop there. As Jeff Schnepper explained in an article for MSN Money, if you are in business and you receive over $10,000 in cash in a single transaction you must report it to the IRS or you will go to prison.....

If you're in a business and receive more than $10,000 in cash from a single transaction, or from related transactions within a 12-month period, you have to file Form 8300 and report the buyer to the IRS. Don't file, and you go to jail.

The IRS isnt kidding. I had a client who was a dealer in Corvette sports cars. He told me he didnt have time to file the forms. I told him several times to file. He thought he knew better. He went to jail. So did his children who were involved in the business.

This is very, very serious.

Just because someone forgets to file a certain form with the IRS, that person can go do serious jail time?

Yes.

According to Schnepper, quite a few Americans have already received very substantial sentences for this kind of thing....

In fiscal 2004, the Internal Revenue Service initiated 1,789 criminal investigations. There were 1,304 indictments and 687 convictions -- and an 89.1% incarceration rate. The average sentence: 63 months.

In fiscal 2005, the IRS started 4,269 investigations, winning 2,406 indictments and 2,151 convictions and an 83% incarceration rate. Average sentence: 42 months.

The reality is that governments around the world are getting very, very sensitive about large amounts of cash and they are not messing around.

They don't want all of us running around with big piles of cash. They want our money in the banks where they can track it, trace it and keep a close eye on it.

On the one hand, it is a good thing to catch criminals and terrorists, but on the other hand how much privacy and freedom are we willing to lose just so that we can feel a little safer?

And as cash becomes criminalized, are all of us going to be forced into the banking system whether we like it or not? If we cannot pay for things in cash, what other choices are we going to have?

The truth is that the more you think about this issue, the more disturbing it becomes.

http://www.benzinga.com/10/08/447283...-transactions#

Saul Mine
4th September 2010, 01:28 AM
It is not so much the death of cash, it's the outlawing of the individual. Everybody must be forced to become a cell within the machine. No rights, no preferences, no complaints.

Joe King
4th September 2010, 01:42 AM
It is not so much the death of cash, it's the outlawing of the individual. Everybody must be forced to become a cell within the machine. No rights, no preferences, no complaints.
Yep. It's a way of coercing participation in the ponzi-scheme, as that scheme is desperate for new participants.

EE_
4th September 2010, 06:17 AM
Since the new laws make currency illegal, it looks like transactions will have to move toward a barter system of trading collectables (ie. gold and silver) for goods and services.

etc
6th September 2010, 09:17 AM
Hate to break the news to you, but the Federal Reserve Note is not cash.

It's a financial instrument that's neither money, nor cash, nor legal tender, and certainly not the dollar.

Looking into the etymological background of words really shines some lite upon this.
Stop using bad terminology and confusing the sheep.

mightymanx
6th September 2010, 10:10 AM
This is the new version of banning gold.

Gknowmx
6th September 2010, 10:17 AM
Hate to break the news to you, but the Federal Reserve Note is not cash.

It's a financial instrument that's neither money, nor cash, nor legal tender, and certainly not the dollar.

Looking into the etymological background of words really shines some lite upon this.
Stop using bad terminology and confusing the sheep.


Yep, most folks are also completely confused on the meaning of the words money, debt, currency, credit, and interest. Financial illiteracy is the rule, not the exception.

mamboni
6th September 2010, 10:23 AM
If it becomes impossible to transfer wealth between two parties without government regulations/recording, then the people will learn to function under the government radar. This means that owning property is for losers. The government cannot prevent me, as renter, from paying the landlord with silver coins, or trading a silver coin for some eggs and produce from the local farmer. Cash is only needed where there are cash registers. And cash registers mean tracking and taxes. I can't say it enough: the future is "cash" businesses, where the term 'cash' is used very broadly for anything that can be used for barter.

mrnhtbr2232
6th September 2010, 10:54 AM
Hate to break the news to you, but the Federal Reserve Note is not cash.

It's a financial instrument that's neither money, nor cash, nor legal tender, and certainly not the dollar.

Looking into the etymological background of words really shines some lite upon this.
Stop using bad terminology and confusing the sheep.


You made me laugh - "confusing the sheep" is really one we all lose sleep about around here I'm sure. They are meaningless at this point and only breathing air and making things harder for the rest of us that get it. If you were to ask the average slob on the street about the etymology of the word "cash" how many of them do you think would have a clue about intrinsic value or coinage? Answer: none. But ask them about LeBron James and they can tell you what's tattooed on his back. Forget about the "sheep" - they are pollution that do not deserve the time of day. Unless you were being sarcastic, I think the veiled assertion that people here don't know what a FRN is and is not was a real stretch in terms of credibility.

Twisted Titan
6th September 2010, 12:15 PM
If it becomes impossible to transfer wealth between two parties without government regulations/recording, then the people will learn to function under the government radar. This means that owning property is for losers. The government cannot prevent me, as renter, from paying the landlord with silver coins, or trading a silver coin for some eggs and produce from the local farmer. Cash is only needed where there are cash registers. And cash registers mean tracking and taxes. I can't say it enough: the future is "cash" businesses, where the term 'cash' is used very broadly for anything that can be used for barter.


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Ponce
6th September 2010, 12:22 PM
Titan? corn seeds for a fish? good trade for both of them.

Awoke
6th September 2010, 01:37 PM
Move over, Amero: Here comes the Bancor!

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/bancor-the-name-of-the-global-currency-a-shocking-imf-report-urges-the-world-to-adopt

Bancor: The Name Of The Global Currency That A Shocking IMF Report Is Proposing

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Bancor.jpg



Sometimes there are things that are so shocking that you just do not want to report them unless they can be completely and totally documented. Over the past few years, there have been many rumors about a coming global currency, but at times it has been difficult to pin down evidence that plans for such a currency are actually in the works. Not anymore. A paper entitled "Reserve Accumulation and International Monetary Stability" (http://www.imf.org/external/np/pp/eng/2010/041310.pdf) by the Strategy, Policy and Review Department of the IMF recommends that the world adopt a global currency called the "Bancor" and that a global central bank be established to administer that currency. The report is dated April 13, 2010 and a full copy can be read here. Unfortunately this is not hype and it is not a rumor. This is a very serious proposal in an official document from one of the mega-powerful institutions that is actually running the world economy. Anyone who follows the IMF knows that what the IMF wants, the IMF usually gets. So could a global currency known as the "Bancor" be on the horizon? That is now a legitimate question.

So where in the world did the name "Bancor" come from? Well, it turns out that "Bancor" is the name of a hypothetical world currency unit once suggested by John Maynard Keynes. Keynes was a world famous British economist who headed the World Banking Commission that created the IMF during the Breton Woods negotiations.

The Wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bancor) for "Bancor" puts it this way....

The bancor was a World Currency Unit of clearing that was proposed by John Maynard Keynes, as leader of the British delegation and chairman of the World Bank commission, in the negotiations that established the Bretton Woods system, but has not been implemented.

The IMF report referenced above proposed naming the coming world currency unit the "Bancor" in honor of Keynes.



More at the link.

gunDriller
6th September 2010, 02:00 PM
let's say, for example, that a person was moving from the United States to an EU country, e.g. Sweden. and they are bringing with them 1000 ounces of silver and 30 ounces of gold.

from what i know of the tax laws, there would be a tax on un-realized gains when the person leaves the US, if they declare the gold. if they don't declare the gold, then they are at increased risk of asset seizure. if they do declare the gold, then they will pay anywhere from $0 to 28% of $1250 per ounce.

in these situations, do people actually write a check at the airport ? how is the tax on un-realized gains implemented ?

OK so let's say you get to Sweden and you have 1000 ounces of silver in your car, which you used to ship your possessions. if you declare it, then how is the Euro VAT tax on silver implemented ? if the VAT tax is 20% and you bring $20,000 worth of silver into Sweden, if you declare it, does that mean you have to write a check for $4000 to some Swedish government entity ? (or risk asset seizure if you don't declare it).

Libertarian_Guard
6th September 2010, 02:06 PM
How perfectly fitting that a world fiat currency would be named after Keynes. While Hayek spins in his grave.

Liquid
6th September 2010, 02:19 PM
from what i know of the tax laws, there would be a tax on un-realized gains when the person leaves the US, if they declare the gold. if they don't declare the gold, then they are at increased risk of asset seizure. if they do declare the gold, then they will pay anywhere from $0 to 28% of $1250 per ounce.

Is this true? And if so, does it apply to numismatics?

You could take the 30 oz of gold and trade if for soveriegns and pre 33 US coins, claim it's a coin collection.

Also, if you are shipping a car over, it would be very easy to hide 30 oz of gold in a car without anyone finding it. You can't 'sniff' for gold, and of course a metal detector would not work on a car full of metal.

Regarding the silver, it would probably be better to trade it for gold, and then once you get to Sweden, trade it back for silver. I do not know if a VAT applies to metal trades though.

If you are fleeing the US to avoid persecution in the future, martial law, fema camps,etc..., use the gold to bribe your way out of here.

Libertarian_Guard
6th September 2010, 02:39 PM
from what i know of the tax laws, there would be a tax on un-realized gains when the person leaves the US, if they declare the gold. if they don't declare the gold, then they are at increased risk of asset seizure. if they do declare the gold, then they will pay anywhere from $0 to 28% of $1250 per ounce.

Is this true? And if so, does it apply to numismatics?

You could take the 30 oz of gold and trade if for soveriegns and pre 33 US coins, claim it's a coin collection.

Also, if you are shipping a car over, it would be very easy to hide 30 oz of gold in a car without anyone finding it. You can't 'sniff' for gold, and of course a metal detector would not work on a car full of metal.

Regarding the silver, it would probably be better to trade it for gold, and then once you get to Sweden, trade it back for silver. I do not know if a VAT applies to metal trades though.

If you are fleeing the US to avoid persecution in the future, martial law, fema camps,etc..., use the gold to bribe your way out of here.


Good idea, unless the car is stolen. I would fly over with no more than 6 or 7 ounces at a time, and not say a word.

It is very simple, leave the coins in your carry-on when you pass through security before your flight. Leave it in a side pocket with other change, even if they're in separate vinyl holders, it will not be a problem. Sometime before the flight lands put the coins in your pocket. Claim nothing if there is a 10k limit.

General of Darkness
6th September 2010, 02:47 PM
$500K = 26 pounds of gold which is easily stolen

If I was leaving the U.S. I'd either buy property in the country I was going too, or a Swiss account. Dunno how else to hide it.

Twisted Titan
6th September 2010, 03:00 PM
Platinum Eagles might be a better trade........


They look like silver


T

Ponce
6th September 2010, 03:33 PM
I posted this long ago......find someone moving from point A to point B...... A can have cash or PM when he gets to B by leaving his assets at point A and finding someone at point B who needs the same at point A, no need to involve the government in this...........those making the arrangement would charger 3% for doing it at point A and B...........If you can't find anyone willing to make the exchange you then can do it on your own but charging 10% instead of 3%..............paying 6% in private instead of 32% to the government is a bargain.

I used to pay 10% to send cash to Cuba (no longer now that my dad is dead)........and the money would be in his hand in three days.............the cash was already in Cuba and all it took was for the people in Miami to get my money order and make a call to Cuba.

gunDriller
6th September 2010, 03:57 PM
I posted this long ago......find someone moving from point A to point B...... A can have cash or PM when he gets to B by leaving his assets at point A and finding someone at point B who needs the same at point A, no need to involve the government in this...........those making the arrangement would charger 3% for doing it at point A and B...........If you can't find anyone willing to make the exchange you then can do it on your own but charging 10% instead of 3%..............paying 6% in private instead of 32% to the government is a bargain.

I used to pay 10% to send cash to Cuba (no longer now that my dad is dead)........and the money would be in his hand in three days.............the cash was already in Cuba and all it took was for the people in Miami to get my money order and make a call to Cuba.


the Muslim world has something like this. where you give money to an Islamic bank in the US, and are given credit at the participating office in whichever country you are going to. i thought it was called sharia something, but 'sharia' is used a lot to describe other bad stuff, i think 'sharia' means Islamic law.

anyway, it fulfilled the function, you give your money to banker in place A, withdraw equivalent funds in place B.

but obviously, there's a lot of trust involved. but also obviously - who trusts BofA anyway ?

Twisted Titan
6th September 2010, 06:06 PM
I posted this long ago......find someone moving from point A to point B...... A can have cash or PM when he gets to B by leaving his assets at point A and finding someone at point B who needs the same at point A, no need to involve the government in this...........those making the arrangement would charger 3% for doing it at point A and B...........If you can't find anyone willing to make the exchange you then can do it on your own but charging 10% instead of 3%..............paying 6% in private instead of 32% to the government is a bargain.

I used to pay 10% to send cash to Cuba (no longer now that my dad is dead)........and the money would be in his hand in three days.............the cash was already in Cuba and all it took was for the people in Miami to get my money order and make a call to Cuba.


Did he just past recently?

I remeber you speaking about a Birthday not too long ago

Either way My Condolences.

T

Ponce
6th September 2010, 06:26 PM
Thanks :boohoo...........he bought the farm about a month ago at the age of 98, now the only one that I care about is my cat.

mick silver
6th September 2010, 08:05 PM
i went to the bank last week and pull 30.000 out and the got it ready for me in 30 min

Awoke
7th September 2010, 05:58 AM
Ponce, my condolences.

98 is a good life though!

DMac
7th September 2010, 01:03 PM
Awoke, re: Bancor

Notice the particular color associated with the Bancor articles?

There's gold in them thar hills!

Neuro
7th September 2010, 01:35 PM
My condolences Ponce... I know, from the way you talked about your dad here, that he was loved by you, and a very special person.

Neuro
7th September 2010, 01:48 PM
One thought on this, soon an ounce of gold may be over the legal threshold of cash transactions in many countries of the world... If you want to sell without the government knowing about it, you may have to barter it with something of equal value... Seems far fetched now but gold may become the currency of choice for high value transactions in a growing grey/black sector...

Ponce
7th September 2010, 02:04 PM
Thaks guys.......

Remember that the Hilton hotes was started in Germany with this kid buying a hotel for one gold coin...with 25 gold coins I hope to start a chain of the same............why hell, at 70 years what the hell am I thinking about?.......may as well buy a whore house or move into one and die with a smile on my face ;D

vacuum
7th September 2010, 02:24 PM
I can forsee a time when instead of gold-plated nickel coins, we'll have nickel-plated gold coins...

Neuro
7th September 2010, 02:30 PM
I can forsee a time when instead of gold-plated nickel coins, we'll have nickel-plated gold coins...
It does make sense, doesn't it...

Ponce
7th September 2010, 05:29 PM
LOL like the Jewish women wearing a wig and then covering up so that no one can see it..........

Fortyone
7th September 2010, 05:45 PM
$500K = 26 pounds of gold which is easily stolen

If I was leaving the U.S. I'd either buy property in the country I was going too, or a Swiss account. Dunno how else to hide it.


You would need to selectively "country hop" similar to my story about my Grandfather's escape from WW II Jugoslavia. Some countries are easier to enter from certain other countries. Example: It is very easy to travel in the EU. Travelers from the US have a more difficult time than from UK in customs entering the Eurozone.Commonwealth nations have easier travel into UK.I would leave from Canada to UK, then from UK to Eurozone.Make more than one trip.from UK. Another option is selling your AG here then repurchasing it in Europe,Youll lose money but still have it. Finally Some of the Arab countries have virtually no financial laws or AG regulations. But these are hard to travel from into the Eurozone as they also smuggl;e drugs through many of these.

k-os
7th September 2010, 06:42 PM
i went to the bank last week and pull 30.000 out and the got it ready for me in 30 min


Sure, but the bank sent a file to the IRS about that transaction.

cedarchopper
7th September 2010, 07:44 PM
i went to the bank last week and pull 30.000 out and the got it ready for me in 30 min


Sure, but the bank sent a file to the IRS about that transaction.


They send a form to the IRS before they will give you the cash...and you have to give them your occupation.