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Serpo
6th September 2010, 03:41 PM
EU trade commissioner Karel de Gucht has come under fire for saying Jews block Middle East peace. Photograph: Georges Gobet/AFP/Getty Images

A top European official was accused of antisemitism tonight after declaring that there was little point in engaging in rational argument with Jews and suggesting that the latest Middle East peace talks were doomed because of the power of the Jewish lobby in Washington.

Karel De Gucht, the European commissioner for trade, and a former Belgian foreign minister, sparked outrage after voicing his scepticism about the prospects for the negotiations which opened in the US this week. He told a Belgian radio station that most Jews always believed they were right, and questioned the point of talking to them about the Middle East.

De Gucht, who negotiates for Europe on trade with the rest of the world, and is one of the most powerful officials in Brussels, was forced today to issue a statement declaring that the views he expressed were personal.

"Don't underestimate the opinion … of the average Jew outside Israel," he told the radio station. "There is indeed a belief – it's difficult to describe it otherwise – among most Jews that they are right. And a belief is something that's difficult to counter with rational arguments. And it's not so much whether these are religious Jews or not. Lay Jews also share the same belief that they are right. So it is not easy to have, even with moderate Jews, a rational discussion about what is actually happening in the Middle East."

Explaining why he thought the peace talks were probably doomed, he added: "Do not underestimate the Jewish lobby on Capitol Hill. That is the best organised lobby, you shouldn't underestimate the grip it has on American politics – no matter whether it's Republicans or Democrats."

Jewish leaders were incandescent. "This is part of a dangerous trend of incitement against Jews and Israel in Europe that needs to be stamped out immediately," said Moshe Kantor, the head of the European Jewish Congress. "What sort of environment allows such remarks to be made openly by a senior politician? Once again we hear outrageous antisemitism from a senior European official. The libel of Jewish power is apparently acceptable at the highest levels of the EU."

Officials in Brussels stressed the remarks did not represent EU views or policies. De Gucht was forced to issue a statement clarifying his remarks.

"I gave an interview … I gave my personal point of view," he said. "I regret that the comments that I made have been interpreted in a sense that I did not intend.

"I did not mean in any possible way to cause offence or stigmatise the Jewish community. I want to make clear that antisemitism has no place in today's world."

Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, today attacked the "doomed" Middle East peace talks and urged Palestinians to continue armed resistance to Israel. Ahmadinejad used the annual al-Quds (Jerusalem) Day rally in Tehran to scorn the Obama administration's efforts in launching the first Arab-Israeli negotiations in nearly two years.

"The people of Palestine and the people of the region will not allow them to sell even an inch of Palestinian soil to the enemy," he said.

Iran supports Hamas, the Islamist Palestinian movement that controls the Gaza Strip and opposes talks involving Mahmoud Abbas, the western-backed PLO leader who is based in the West Bank.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/03/eu-official-antisemitism-middle-east-peace-talks

Twisted Titan
6th September 2010, 05:12 PM
"I gave an interview … I gave my personal point of view," he said. "I regret that the comments that I made have been interpreted in a sense that I did not intend.


Boy he kissed that ring mighty quick didnt he??


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Ponce
6th September 2010, 05:22 PM
"This is part of a dangerous trend of incitement against Jews and Israel in Europe that needs to be stamped out immediately" ............. "those" people never want to say why the speaker is wrong and show the right way to do it....... to "them" you are either in "their" camp 100% or you are not..........

I AM NOT IN "THEIR" CAMP IN ANY FORM OR WAY.

ShortJohnSilver
6th September 2010, 09:38 PM
"What sort of environment allows such remarks to be made openly by a senior politician? Once again we hear outrageous antisemitism from a senior European official. The libel of Jewish power is apparently acceptable at the highest levels of the EU."

The "libel" of Jewish power, yet what happens as soon as Moishe cracks the whip?

Neuro
7th September 2010, 12:35 AM
He was wrong. He should have said that the Jew is never wrong.

The proof is in the outcome of this discussion. I don't think he is going to stay in his position for long...

Saul Mine
7th September 2010, 01:17 AM
Well that's awfully strange. We have a lot of people here who gripe that Jews are always left. Me, I don't give a dam, I just wish people would stop harping about Jews all the time. There are other groups in the world, you know. You could spread the bigotry around.

Neuro
7th September 2010, 01:41 AM
Well that's awfully strange. We have a lot of people here who gripe that Jews are always left. Me, I don't give a dam, I just wish people would stop harping about Jews all the time. There are other groups in the world, you know. You could spread the bigotry around.
Great idea, let's talk about the Tibetan obstacle in middle east peace, and their disproportionate influence in media, finance and politics. Or any other group of people with the same set of subjects...

Or should we just forget about it and discuss the outrageous domination of Finns in Sauna bathing competitions?

Saul Mine
7th September 2010, 03:48 AM
Well, it used to be the niggers. Before them it was the gooks, chinks, japs, and nazis. Somewhere in there the gnomes of Zurich had their moment of fame. I guess people were a lot more imaginative in those days. Nowadays we have only one group to blame everything on, and we don't even bother to think up a distinctive name for them. Lame. Awfully lame.

Sorry, I left out muzzies. We have two groups. Still no distinctive name.

EE_
7th September 2010, 05:05 AM
Well, it used to be the n-words. Before them it was the gooks, chinks, japs, and nazis. Somewhere in there the gnomes of Zurich had their moment of fame. I guess people were a lot more imaginative in those days. Nowadays we have only one group to blame everything on, and we don't even bother to think up a distinctive name for them. Lame. Awfully lame.

Sorry, I left out muzzies. We have two groups. Still no distinctive name.


How can you not talk about them, when you are inundated by them daily?
The other groups you speak of were probably a subject prompted by them as a diversion to keep you looking the other way.
Turn on your computer, guess who owns the search engines?
Turn on the TV, guess who controls what you see?
Watch the business channels as they parade across the screen.
Turn on Fox news and count how many times they say we love Israel.
Listen to the stories of people losing their homes and jobs...who caused this and profited from it. Who got bailed out with tax payer money?
Borrow money from a bank and see the ridicules interest their owners charge.
Do you like porn?...guess who brought it to you?
Do you know any Iraqi war Vets...who are they fighting/dying for?
Let's not forget the US government and who controls it.
Precious metals...who controls this market?
Look at the fiat dollars in your wallet...not US currency!


As soon as I see the gooks, chinks, japs, nazis and muzzies controlling all this, I will focus my attention on them.

Awoke
7th September 2010, 05:37 AM
Saul, your trolling is pathetically transparent.

Joe King
7th September 2010, 06:01 AM
Well, it used to be the n-words. Before them it was the gooks, chinks, japs, and nazis. Somewhere in there the gnomes of Zurich had their moment of fame. I guess people were a lot more imaginative in those days. Nowadays we have only one group to blame everything on, and we don't even bother to think up a distinctive name for them. Lame. Awfully lame.

Sorry, I left out muzzies. We have two groups. Still no distinctive name.


How can you not talk about them, when you are inodated by them daily?
The other groups you speak of were probably a subject prompted by them as a diversion to keep you looking the other way.
Turn on your computer, guess who owns the search engines?
Turn on the TV, guess who controls what you see?
Watch the business channels as they parade across the screen.
Turn on Fox news and count how many times they say we love Israel.
Listen to the stories of people losing their homes and jobs...who caused this and profitted from it. Who got bailed out with tax payer money?
Borrow money from a bank and see the ridicules interest their owners charge.
Do you like porn?...guess who brought it to you?
Do you know and Iraqi war Vets...who are they fighting/dying for?
Let's not forget the US government and who controls it.
Precious metals...who controls this market?
Look at the fiat dollars in your wallet...not US currency!


As soon as I see the gooks, chinks, japs, nazis and muzzies controlling all this, I will focus my attention on them.

While I'm not disputing your conclusions, could they have done all that without the willing participation of others?

Ponce
7th September 2010, 08:44 AM
Saul? go and sit in the corner for one hour and think about what you posted......

the white rabbit
7th September 2010, 08:58 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxMayaeHd6I&feature=player_embedded#!

Neuro
7th September 2010, 01:08 PM
While I'm not disputing your conclusions, could they have done all that without the willing participation of others?
Without the paid off small time crooks, like the selected leaders, yellow journalists, and a general population that has been dumbed down sufficiently to consume everything they are being fed, no not likely.

This EU trade minister, had the guts to tell the truth, one time, and he was immediatelly shut down, slapped in the face, and made to apologize. Probably he has to 'voluntary' resign. Thus it will tell all his colleagues what happens if they let go of their Kosher mind control for even a second.