What is the deal with Obama-care?

[steyr_m]

Being Canadian, I'm not sure what Obama-care really means. Is it something like here in Canada, where you get a health card and go to any medical facility, or is it just that everyone is required to purchase insurance?

[1970 silver art]

Everybody will be required to purchase health insurance regardless of whether or not you can afford it. If you do not (or cannot afford to) buy health insurance, then you will be taxed for not having mandatory health insurance. I think they call that tax a "fine" for not having mandatory health insurance.

[Apparition]

^ The mandate also serves to enrich the big health insurance companies while expanding the power of Congress to include the unconstitutional power to mandate product purchases.

In addition, it creates a massive new bureaucracy of commissions and boards staffed with unelected bureaucrats who will have unknown or vague powers.

Click on the following link, scroll down, and try to understand it: http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/tx08_brady/pr_100728_hc_chart.html

Let's also not forget who-knows-how-many taxes were included such as the mandated 1099 IRS form submissions which are intended to track those who purchase gold.

So many sheeple wanted free health care but they received corporatism and many may never realize it until they're forced to endure it in a few years.

[chad]

if you are not bill gates, you get a huge tax bill, and then you die.

[steyr_m]

Everybody will be required to purchase health insurance regardless of whether or not you can afford it. If you do not (or cannot afford to) buy health insurance, then you will be taxed for not having mandatory health insurance. I think they call that tax a "fine" for not having mandatory health insurance.


Holy Crap, the US is going down the tubes. I'm not a fan of socialised medicine, but that is totally f-ed.

[1970 silver art]

Everybody will be required to purchase health insurance regardless of whether or not you can afford it. If you do not (or cannot afford to) buy health insurance, then you will be taxed for not having mandatory health insurance. I think they call that tax a "fine" for not having mandatory health insurance.


Holy Crap, the US is going down the tubes. I'm not a fan of socialised medicine, but that is totally f-ed.


The health insurance companies are going to continue to raise premiums until the "meat" of the health reform bill kicks in (I think that is 2014). This bill in my opinion does not address the issue of rising medical costs. All this bill does is to primarily increase (via force) the number of people with health insurance coverage. The health insurance companies will not come away unscathed. They cannot deny people with pre-existing conditions. That might sound good for the patient who could not initially get health insurance, however, that will raise the expenses for the health insurance company because they are forced by the gov't to take a much higher risk of people. That will force health insurance companies to raise premiums for everybody else but apparently this health care bill limits how much a health insurer can increase it rates if I am not mistaken.

Either way, this bill is a bad bill on a fundamental basis in that gov't involvement is just going to make it worse with higher taxes, higher expenses, and lower quality of health care. This bill forces U.S. citizens to buy a product that they may be be able to afford. The health care providers (doctors and hospitals) will also be adversely affected. The health care system in the U.S. is broken and has been broken for a long time but this health care reform bill will not fix it.

[Defender]

if you are not bill gates, you get a huge tax bill, and then you die.
And then you get taxed again (after Jan 1st.)

[RJB]

Imagine a gun pointed at your head. Now imagine the bureaucrat holding the gun saying, "buy insurance from an approved corporation. If you are too poor, tax money will be looted and given to the corporation."

If Bush pushed this, Beck and Limbaugh would call this a great compromise allowing the "freemarket" to rule.

It's a crock. I'm not a socialist, but a simple medicare for all would have beat this corporatism. This whole debate was a sham.... as usual.

[Joe King]

Everybody will be required to purchase health insurance regardless of whether or not you can afford it. If you do not (or cannot afford to) buy health insurance, then you will be taxed for not having mandatory health insurance. I think they call that tax a "fine" for not having mandatory health insurance.


Holy Crap, the US is going down the tubes. I'm not a fan of socialised medicine, but that is totally f-ed.
I'm also pretty sure that they're counting on a bunch of people to not buy it and pay the tax on not having it instead. Gotta up those interest payments some how without actually increasing the tax rates to do so.

As far as down the tubes goes, that's been the goal for a long time now.

[hoarder]

Lets not forget that Big Pharma and the insurers are connected, which means that insurance companies will pretty much dictate which types of treatments are "approved". Forget alternative health services. Think pills and surgery.

Take care of your health so you won't have to use your "benefits".

[gunDriller]

Imagine a gun pointed at your head. Now imagine the bureaucrat holding the gun saying, "buy insurance from an approved corporation. If you are too poor, tax money will be looted and given to the corporation."

If Bush pushed this, Beck and Limbaugh would call this a great compromise allowing the "freemarket" to rule.

It's a crock. I'm not a socialist, but a simple medicare for all would have beat this corporatism. This whole debate was a sham.... as usual.


this is a good summary.

Obamacare is about health care and a bunch of new taxes, very invasive taxes - including taxes that strike directly at PM owners.

there are different tax laws. some kick in in 2012, some in 2016.

Obama-care has left a lot of Americans thinking about how to avoid Obama-care.

e.g. moving to a state that has said they will overturn Obama-care - or leaving the country.

[DMac]

2011 taxes see the first hit for US tax payers.

Your 2011 (to be paid in April 2012) gross income will be adjusted up so that your total health insurance (plus dental) cost will be added to your gross, likely kicking you up to a new tax bracket.

We will literally be taxed on money we did not make.

And to think, the "founders" went to war over a rise in tea prices ;) :oo-->

[madfranks]

If Bush pushed this, Beck and Limbaugh would call this a great compromise allowing the "freemarket" to rule.


I can't get anyone in my "conservative" family to understand this.

[cedarchopper]

And to think, the "founders" went to war over a rise in tea prices ;) :oo-->


It was the outlawing of Colonial Script and the forced paying of taxes in gold and silver that caused the American Revolution.

“The Colonies would gladly have borne the little tax on tea and other matters had it not been the poverty caused by the bad influence of the English bankers on the Parliament, which has caused in the Colonies hatred of England and the Revolutionary War.”

B. Franklin

http://21stcenturycicero.wordpress.com/fraud/how-benjamin-franklin-made-new-england-prosperous/

[steyr_m]

I'm also pretty sure that they're counting on a bunch of people to not buy it and pay the tax on not having it instead. Gotta up those interest payments some how without actually increasing the tax rates to do so.

As far as down the tubes goes, that's been the goal for a long time now.


It has been the goal for a long time, well said.

[Rebel Yarr]

It means that those who do not have health care insurance today - will be put on a public health care insurance companies coverage at the cost off other paid customers of that health plan.... Yes, those not with a health care insurance plan will be assigned to one - most of these folks are non-English speaking.

it means insurance costs goes up for everyone about 15-30%....Blues across th nation have been seeking the raise from the commissions...

it means that those with insurance are taxed on the benefit as income....well known income tax change going into effect in 2011.

it means that health care insurance companies will need to hire Spanish speaking CSR's to handle the new socialized customers that the gov "gives" to the insurance companies.


This is 100% more welfare for those that do not deserve/have earned it and it is a yet another tax on societies prosperous members.

f*ck you middle class

[Twisted Titan]

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[kregener]

What is the deal with Obama-care?

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