Serious trouble...renter issues

[Kali]

Im writing this to vent a little.

I rented out 3 rooms in a house I own and one room is to a friend who was released from prison last year.

I tried helping him out and gave him a chance but he turned out to be a bum.

So I gave him a verbal 60 day notice...and now this has turned into a fight.

60 days is up in a couple weeks...he has been dodging me and not answering calls (he still has not paid for last month)...but I called late tonight and he answered not thinking I would call this late (no caller ID there).

So now this turned into a fight.

Hes a very crazy guy and pretty tough...I can take him for sure as I have trained to hurt people for years...but the prob is Im a family man now....not looking to go to prison.

I hate being the guy that backs down too...which is what I should do...like go about this thru the courts...but Im having a real hard time with that.

Its past 2 am here and I can easily go there and rip him right out of the house but still debating.

I am drinking so maybe it will become more clear as I get a few more in me.

One thing I have learned is to NEVER EVER rent to friends or family.

Fuck man its a tough decision...as a Christian I need to relax but this is a big test and not sure if I can pass it or not.

Do I go over there and pound his ass and teahc him a lesson or do I handle it legally?

Budweiser says kick some ass...hard spot to be in.

[Fortyone]

Im writing this to vent a little.

I rented out 3 rooms in a house I own and one room is to a friend who was released from prison last year.

I tried helping him out and gave him a chance but he turned out to be a bum.

So I gave him a verbal 60 day notice...and now this has turned into a fight.

60 days is up in a couple weeks...he has been dodging me and not answering calls (he still has not paid for last month)...but I called late tonight and he answered not thinking I would call this late (no caller ID there).

So now this turned into a fight.

Hes a very crazy guy and pretty tough...I can take him for sure as I have trained to hurt people for years...but the prob is Im a family man now....not looking to go to prison.

I hate being the guy that backs down too...which is what I should do...like go about this thru the courts...but Im having a real hard time with that.

Its past 2 am here and I can easily go there and rip him right out of the house but still debating.

I am drinking so maybe it will become more clear as I get a few more in me.

One thing I have learned is to NEVER EVER rent to friends or family.

f*ck man its a tough decision...as a Christian I need to relax but this is a big test and not sure if I can pass it or not.

Do I go over there and pound his ass and teahc him a lesson or do I handle it legally?

Budweiser says kick some ass...hard spot to be in.






Do you own the house outright? If so, present him with notice that your going to renovate or sell the house,then turn off the utilities for 'safety" reasons ,he will leave on his own then.much faster than an eviction.DO NOT use violence. He would be able to possibly sue you.

[Steal]

Actually, should become clearer when your head clears. Making a rash decision while 'drunk' will ALWAYS be a mistake. Just the process of driving there drunk opens the door for many more problems for youself ( getting locked up, vehicular manslaughter etc.) He is a bum, thats a given, used to 3 hots and a cot. I take it there is no rental agreement or limited lease aragements. While it may feel good to pound someones head in ( to some) it may not actually be good in a court situation. Only recourse I see is legal means. Not knowing any history makes it dificult. Does he have any 'goods' on you? Anything to use as a 'vice'? and if so, of course, you can not state on an open board. If it was me, he would not have any goods on me. And if really was a friend, would tell him staight up (when sober of course) that hes on offical notice, has 30 days to vacate. Paperwork filed. As a friend, the 30 days could be free. Security deposit, guess not? Winter is fast approaching, he is gonna want a place to hole up. Best not to waste time.

[1970 silver art]

Put the drink down and DO NOT resort to violence to solve this issue. Violence only causes more legal problems such as you being charged with assault and battery and, as FortyOne mentioned, this person could sue you if you take the offensive in a violent manner. The court system seems to be your only solution to getting rid of this renter. Since he has not paid you rent, then getting him evicted should not be a problem.

[Fortyone]

Put the drink down and DO NOT resort to violence to solve this issue. Violence only causes more legal problems such as you being charged with assault and battery and, as FortyOne mentioned, this person could sue you if you take the offensive in a violent manner. The court system seems to be your only solution to getting rid of this renter. Since he has not paid you rent, then getting him evicted should not be a problem.





Or you can look at it this way, You are going to court,either way, either as a Defendant for assault, or as a Plaintiff for relief. Your choice.

[Liquid]

Do you own the house outright? If so, present him with notice that your going to renovate or sell the house,then turn off the utilities for 'safety" reasons ,he will leave on his own then.much faster than an eviction.DO NOT use violence. He would be able to possibly sue you.


Kali, tough situation. I think fortyone's advise is the way to go. Also, make sure when you 'renovate', start a painting project in that room. The paint fumes should help run him out as well. Makes sure you put up signs warning of the fumes.

Also, what about the other folks renting there? Do they know that you gave this guy notice?

If so, what about just packing up his sh*t and setting it on the front porch and changing the locks while he's gone? As long as you can prove you gave notice, that may be an idea if he's still there in a couple of weeks, at the end of the 60 days..

This guy sounds like a bum, but don't resort to violence. It's just not worth it and you will regret it later on. Nothing good can come from violence.

[Fortyone]

Do you own the house outright? If so, present him with notice that your going to renovate or sell the house,then turn off the utilities for 'safety" reasons ,he will leave on his own then.much faster than an eviction.DO NOT use violence. He would be able to possibly sue you.


Kali, tough situation. I think fortyone's advise is the way to go. Also, make sure when you 'renovate', start a painting project in that room. The paint fumes should help run him out as well. Makes sure you put up signs warning of the fumes.

Also, what about the other folks renting there? Do they know that you gave this guy notice?

If so, what about just packing up his sh*t and setting it on the front porch and changing the locks while he's gone? As long as you can prove you gave notice, that may be an idea if he's still there in a couple of weeks, at the end of the 60 days..

This guy sounds like a bum, but don't resort to violence. It's just not worth it and you will regret it later on. Nothing good can come from violence.


I dont know, In most states you cant enter a unit without permission, it would be considered B&E.I think his LEO would have to evict first.

[willie pete]

you mention he "turned out to be a bum", does this mean he isn't paying rent? or is he being an annoyance to the other 2 renters? I had a very similiar situation and I don't know how the system works where you are, I had a renter who was behind 2 months with NO likelihood of becoming current, so I called the sheriff's dept and got instructions, it didn't come to that but it would've cost me about $45 for the sheriffs dept to attach a "move-out" notice I think within a week or so, and IF he didn't, the sheriff returns and posts a 24 hour notice, after 24 hours, you enter the house or room, gather everything up and put it out for garbage collection .......my situation, I just told the guy that was renting, that he had to go (in a nice way) I told him I couldn't afford to finance him any longer, according to your friends history, he knows this already, he's been around long enough, what I wouldn't do is a lot of explaining, I'd just tell him in as few words as to get the point across ...you in Kali? It'd help to know what state is envolved

[Liquid]

I dont know, In most states you cant enter a unit without permission, it would be considered B&E.I think his LEO would have to evict first.


I think you are right on this...however, my question is, if there's no formal rental agreement, and the guy is not paying rent. How can he claim residency in the first place? It sounds more like crashing on a buddies couch, than actually renting a room.

There's some grey area there for sure.

[Gknowmx]

Now would be a good time to remind folks to vote here and explain their position:

http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/love-and-compassion/

[Fortyone]

I dont know, In most states you cant enter a unit without permission, it would be considered B&E.I think his LEO would have to evict first.


I think you are right on this...however, my question is, if there's no formal rental agreement, and the guy is not paying rent. How can he claim residency in the first place? It sounds more like crashing on a buddies couch, than actually renting a room.

There's some grey area there for sure.


again, i would check with Johnny Law first so he doesnt get sued or arrested.

[jaybone]

Try to find compassion for him; most of us are on hard times right now.
Of course you need to be paid also.
Try to remain calm and give it one more try working things out in a civilized manner.
If an agreement still cannot be reached, then at least you know you gave peace a chance.

[Joe King]

I dont know, In most states you cant enter a unit without permission, it would be considered B&E.I think his LEO would have to evict first.


I think you are right on this...however, my question is, if there's no formal rental agreement, and the guy is not paying rent. How can he claim residency in the first place? It sounds more like crashing on a buddies couch, than actually renting a room.

There's some grey area there for sure.
He could if there's any utilities in his name. Although considering the circumstances, it's probably not likely there are any in his name.

[Awoke]

Let us know how it works out!

[mick silver]

i know a few Christian and none are drinkers

[gunDriller]

i know a few Christian and none are drinkers


Morris Dancing = beer + strange Irish/ Scottish dancing. mostly Christians.

[Fortyone]

i know a few Christian and none are drinkers



Many Christians drink.

[Awoke]

i know a few Christian and none are drinkers



Many Christians drink.


I'm one of them!

[BrewTech]

i know a few Christian and none are drinkers



Many Christians drink.


Lol... if Christians didn't drink the booze companies would go out of business.

[cedarchopper]

Forget kicking his ass...that would be the dumbest thing you could do. As it is now, you have the high ground, maintain that.

You are dealing with an ex-con, he isn't going to use civil law against you...it is a time consuming and deliberate process, but, if you use violence against him, the state will be on his side and they will deal with you...punitively.

Tell him to get his stuff packed up and hit the road...give him a few days. If he ignores you, wait for the right moment and put his stuff outside and change the lock.

[zap]

Kali

We had a rental and ended up renting to a couple losers Mexican and his white wife and baby, I knew they would give me trouble if I evicted them so I started my letter off, Due to unforeseen circumstances I will have to ask you to move by such and such date, as I assumed they went right to the social services, SS couldn't do anything for them as It wasn't an eviction notice, out they went. Hope this helps.

[Fortyone]

Kali

We had a rental and ended up renting to a couple losers Mexican and his white wife and baby, I knew they would give me trouble if I evicted them so I started my letter off, Due to unforeseen circumstances I will have to ask you to move by such and such date, as I assumed they went right to the social services, SS couldn't do anything for them as It wasn't an eviction notice, out they went. Hope this helps.


Now that is the BEST one yet! Id use that in a heartbeat!

[7th trump]

Im writing this to vent a little.

I rented out 3 rooms in a house I own and one room is to a friend who was released from prison last year.

I tried helping him out and gave him a chance but he turned out to be a bum.

So I gave him a verbal 60 day notice...and now this has turned into a fight.

60 days is up in a couple weeks...he has been dodging me and not answering calls (he still has not paid for last month)...but I called late tonight and he answered not thinking I would call this late (no caller ID there).

So now this turned into a fight.

Hes a very crazy guy and pretty tough...I can take him for sure as I have trained to hurt people for years...but the prob is Im a family man now....not looking to go to prison.

I hate being the guy that backs down too...which is what I should do...like go about this thru the courts...but Im having a real hard time with that.

Its past 2 am here and I can easily go there and rip him right out of the house but still debating.

I am drinking so maybe it will become more clear as I get a few more in me.

One thing I have learned is to NEVER EVER rent to friends or family.

f*ck man its a tough decision...as a Christian I need to relax but this is a big test and not sure if I can pass it or not.

Do I go over there and pound his ass and teahc him a lesson or do I handle it legally?

Budweiser says kick some ass...hard spot to be in.




As a Christian you do him a favor by giving him an attitude adjustment. Even if it means throwing his lazy no good ass out on the streets.
Trust me hes no Christian by his actions, so dont have second thoughts about not adjusting his attitude. You never know an attitude adjustment just might make this bum start acting like a human being and give a thought about loving the Father and others (respect).
Christians are not enablers of laziness.
If it takes a 2x4 to get his attention then by all means use it.
Christians are not to be pushovers like many on this board try and make them out to be.
Be on the side of the law and if he swings first then by all means adjust his attitude by what ever means to get his attention.
Dont show him what he hoping you are................a push over.

[Ponce]

Hey guys? people here are not stupid and know what you are talking about without you having to repost the WHOLE ARTICLE just to make a two liner.......... maybe you feel that it makes you smart?

Not a personal attack but only an observation.........

[StackerKen]

WWJD ?

Ass kicking is not the answer here


A friend of mine had dead beat renters that wouldn't leave,
He decided to renovate.... He took out all the windows in the house.(to be upgraded later)
They left....He upgraded the windows and sold the place.

[7th trump]

The problem with this world Ken is the lack of discipline which any true Christians knows if you spare the rod you ruin the child.
Sounds like this bum is way over due on some discipline to take advantage of somone who already gave and offered.
Just what do you think is going to happen at the 7th trumpet Ken........................a picnic with cupcakes for the wicked?

We didnt spare the rod, or gun for that matter, on the Nazi's nor the nuke on the Japs to change their attitude did we?
What makes you think this is any different besides a one on one scenerio?

[milehi]

If he was released from prison, he probably has a parole officer who would like to know if he's currently employed, is current on the rent, ect.

[Awoke]

7th Trump: Kali is not the guys Daddy, he's his landlord. No need for Kali to take on a disciplinarian role.

Kali, tell him gently, one last time that he has to move out.

If he freaks out, tell him you'll phone the fucking cops on the douchebag. If this guy is an actual friend, he will not be trying to bully you into letting him stay. If he continues, then call the cops.

You are not ruining his life if he gets thrown back in the pen, he will be ruining it himself by course of his actions. He can only blame himself.

[crazychicken]

Fifteen years to life is way too high a price to pay for a few minutes of "stress relief".

Let the legal system deal with it.

CC

[wildcard]

Meh, anonymously phone the cops and tell them there's a white guy in there that is acting like a terrist. He'll disappear.

[Spectrism]

WWJD ?

Ass kicking is not the answer here


A friend of mine had dead beat renters that wouldn't leave,
He decided to renovate.... He took out all the windows in the house.(to be upgraded later)
They left....He upgraded the windows and sold the place.


I think Jesus would not be using the internet. I think Jesus would not be employed at a job. I think Jesus would not own a house or any real properties in this world. I think Jesus would not be married with a child.

Anyone here think they can go the Jesus route? Maybe soon... at least in part.


To answer OP.... you start swinging the sword and you lose everything.

Better use your head. Get 3 steps ahead.

[Camp Bassfish]

Hey guys? people here are not stupid and know what you are talking about without you having to repost the WHOLE ARTICLE just to make a two liner.......... maybe you feel that it makes you smart?

Not a personal attack but only an observation.........


Yeah! :o)

[wildcard]

WWJD ?

Ass kicking is not the answer here


A friend of mine had dead beat renters that wouldn't leave,
He decided to renovate.... He took out all the windows in the house.(to be upgraded later)
They left....He upgraded the windows and sold the place.


I think Jesus would not be using the internet. I think Jesus would not be employed at a job. I think Jesus would not own a house or any real properties in this world. I think Jesus would not be married with a child.

Anyone here think they can go the Jesus route? Maybe soon... at least in part.


To answer OP.... you start swinging the sword and you lose everything.

Better use your head. Get 3 steps ahead.


At least 1 thread ahead. :P

[Book]

I am drinking so maybe it will become more clear as I get a few more in me.



Read this thread when you sober up...lol.

:D

[Kali]

Thanks for all the input.

I didnt end up doing anything last night but still debating today.

We do not have a formal rental agreement...hes just renting a room...but from what I know of the law it doesnt matter...he has rent receipts and the law is on his side not mine.


...wait for the right moment and put his stuff outside and change the lock.


If I did this he would be at my doorstep ready to fight...plus I would go to jail for entering the house and messing with his property. Lose lose situation.

Giving the guy a letter would not work either...he'll just say he didnt get it...just like hes saying I never gave him a verbal notice either.




Even if it means throwing his lazy no good ass out on the streets.


Yeah, this is what I want to do but I would go to jail most likely and be in a raging fight...which is what Im trying to decide if I want to be involved in.

[Kali]

At this point I have 2 options.

I can deal with it thru the legal system which would give him probably a few months more of free rent.

Or I can rent the other room out and have some crazy asses I know move in and give him a hard time.

A third option is to renovate the place as suggested here (great idea) and start tearing apart the house.

[Kali]

The situation in this place is that I was renting out 3 rooms, the 3rd room was bad luck and I always had renters in it that didnt pay, then they left. This is why I am having this guy move out to begin with...I decided to rent to a family instead of renting rooms out.

The 2nd room is rented to a real man who is leaving soon.

Then the 1st room is to this loser.

I pay all the utilities...I can probably turn off the phone which is for local calls only but I do believe its against the law to turn off the water and electricity.

[wildcard]

It's not against the law to not pay a bill however.

*people leave when there's no water. No electricity, no problem. No water? Time to go.

[willie pete]

The situation in this place is that I was renting out 3 rooms, the 3rd room was bad luck and I always had renters in it that didnt pay, then they left. This is why I am having this guy move out to begin with...I decided to rent to a family instead of renting rooms out.

The 2nd room is rented to a real man who is leaving soon.

Then the 1st room is to this loser.

I pay all the utilities...I can probably turn off the phone which is for local calls only but I do believe its against the law to turn off the water and electricity.




He WAS paying rent Correct? How far behind, IF at all, is he in his rent? ...and there's NO written contract of any kind correct? Is the residence in CA? IF So, I know Great Law firm that could help you, they NEVER Loose; Geltman, Koppelberger, Mambonisteinâ„¢, and Sheklegrubber PA

[k-os]

I sympathize with you and your situation, Kali. The only bad renter I ever had was a 'friend'. It's amazing how much someone will try to take advantage of another person under the banner of 'friendship'.

My 'friend' stopped paying rent, sold my lawnmower and other tools to a pawn shop, and left the pawn shop receipt for me to find.

Absolutely no business with friends or family. <-- Words to live by.

[Spectrism]

Why not small claims court? They are quick.

Tell him the score and reason with him. Let him know the bind you are in and that his actions are threatening your way of life that you work hard to maintain. And, as much as you hate to involve the court system, you can bring him to small claims court.

Now here is where you may have a problem. Do you have a payment record from him at all?

Can you prove he owes you anything? In writing- of course.

Another option is for you to move into the house (at least temporarily). Being an owner-occupied building allows you to remove unwanted people much easier. Check local laws.

It sounds like you took a chance instead of doing some careful screening. Now you pay for that.

[crazychicken]

I sympathize with you and your situation, Kali. The only bad renter I ever had was a 'friend'. It's amazing how much someone will try to take advantage of another person under the banner of 'friendship'.

My 'friend' stopped paying rent, sold my lawnmower and other tools to a pawn shop, and left the pawn shop receipt for me to find.

Absolutely no business with friends or family. <-- Words to live by.


Something siilar happened to me, but on a much grander scale.

NEVER RENT TO A FRIEND OR FAMILY. AND THOSE THAT YOU DO RENT TO KEEP THEM AT ARMS LENGTH. LONG ARMS LENGTH.

CC

[Kali]

It's not against the law to not pay a bill however.

*people leave when there's no water. No electricity, no problem. No water? Time to go.


Not him...he wouldn't leave...we're talking about a drug using criminal.

When he got out of prison and claimed to be a new man and I stepped in to help...now he has returned to his vomit.

He cant be reasoned with. He is going to try to ride this as long as he can...

[Kali]

Tell him the score and reason with him. Let him know the bind you are in and that his actions are threatening your way of life that you work hard to maintain. And, as much as you hate to involve the court system, you can bring him to small claims court.

Now here is where you may have a problem. Do you have a payment record from him at all?

Can you prove he owes you anything? In writing- of course.

Another option is for you to move into the house (at least temporarily). Being an owner-occupied building allows you to remove unwanted people much easier. Check local laws.

It sounds like you took a chance instead of doing some careful screening. Now you pay for that.


You are missing the point that he cant be reasoned with.

If I move in there will be blood.

He has paid rent (always late) up til 2 months ago...now he has switched to free rent and choosing not to leave (until the sheriff kicks him out he said).

[wildcard]

It's not against the law to not pay a bill however.

*people leave when there's no water. No electricity, no problem. No water? Time to go.


Not him...we wouldn't leave...we're talking about a drug using criminal.

When he got out of prison and claimed to be a new man I stepped in to help...now he has returned to his vomit.

He cant be reasoned with. He is going to try to ride this as long as he can...




Well, then go there and state "you have to leave or I have to turn you in, don't make me be an asshole"

*crazy man on drugs making threats (possibly with a gun if you want him wacked)

[Kali]

I still get a chuckle from when he told me "I have rights".

The sad thing is that he does...more rights than I do.

[crazychicken]

THIS IS ONE HELL OF AN IDEA!

No reason at all that it won't work.

CC




Meh, anonymously phone the cops and tell them there's a white guy in there that is acting like a terrist. He'll disappear.

[Spectrism]

Tell him the score and reason with him. Let him know the bind you are in and that his actions are threatening your way of life that you work hard to maintain. And, as much as you hate to involve the court system, you can bring him to small claims court.

Now here is where you may have a problem. Do you have a payment record from him at all?

Can you prove he owes you anything? In writing- of course.

Another option is for you to move into the house (at least temporarily). Being an owner-occupied building allows you to remove unwanted people much easier. Check local laws.

It sounds like you took a chance instead of doing some careful screening. Now you pay for that.


You are missing the point that he cant be reasoned with.

If I move in there will be blood.

He has paid rent (always late) up til 2 months ago...now he has switched to free rent and choosing not to leave (until the sheriff kicks him out he said).


Hmmm...cannot reason. Makes threats.

Get a restraining order on him. File for eviction or unlawful habitation immediately.

You have a mad dog that will bite to kill. You cannot turn off power or water as you will have the housing people on your back. He can also do major damage to the structure... watch the movie Pacific Heights. If you don't belong to one- find out when the local landlord/ property owner club meets. They will give you ideas.

[Spectrism]

I thought of another thing to gain power if a lack of a lease or written agreement will sink your efforts.

If you do not have a lease, you may want to offer him an improved deal to make it easier on him. If the rent is $200, tell him he can have it for $150. In the lease, enter some key clauses.... failure to pay on time calls for immediate eviction..... lease is only good for 3 months and then the tenant must be vacated...... allow yourself as landlord weekly inspections of the property with short notice.....

Local laws and practices must be considered in all this.

[wildcard]

Is the place fully insured? Accidents happen.

[cedarchopper]

*crazy man Ex-con on drugs making threats (possibly with a gun if you want him wacked)

[ximmy]

30 percent unsolved murders per year.. hardly anyone would would miss an ex con with current criminal inclinations...

your chances of getting away with it could easily increase to 90 percent

no guarantee expressed or implied
your results may vary

[Neuro]

Is the place fully insured? Accidents happen.

Hehehe yeah you lose control of the bulldozer while doing landscaping work. Or that big tree next to the house accidentally falls into the house when you cut it down, a freak wind gust as it falls...

[wildcard]

Is the place fully insured? Accidents happen.

Hehehe yeah you lose control of the bulldozer while doing landscaping work. Or that big tree next to the house accidentally falls into the house when you cut it down, a freak wind gust as it falls...


Or fires happen and pita tenants get charged with arson.

[Neuro]

Is the place fully insured? Accidents happen.

Hehehe yeah you lose control of the bulldozer while doing landscaping work. Or that big tree next to the house accidentally falls into the house when you cut it down, a freak wind gust as it falls...


Or fires happen and pita tenants get charged with arson.
He is probably a bed smoker...

[Uncle Salty]

Man up. Don't be a wimp. Kick his butt out of there. Show him who's the boss. Destroy him! Drink a bottle of Jack and get the job done!! ;D

[Uncle Salty]

Drop a bag of weed in his trunk and make a call to the cops saying it looks like a drug dealer lives in the building. ;D

[BrewTech]

It's not against the law to not pay a bill however.

*people leave when there's no water. No electricity, no problem. No water? Time to go.


The only problem with that is that it is illegal to shut off utilities to a tenant in an attempt to evict them, at least in California. That assumes, however, that there is a legal rental agreement... if not, I don't know how it works.

The only reason I know this is because it happened to me. The lady got pissed off because I kept demanding a signed rental agreement (renting from the friend of a friend), and she kept balking. She shut off utilities (in August, when it was 105F during the day), and I hadn't yet gotten a generator. We said fuk it, and left, but I knew I didn't really have any recourse since we had moved in without a contract. Just as well, as I really like the place we moved into, and have been here for over two years now.

I guess if there is no contract, shut off the power - he'll get out.

[Kali]

Yeah, it's definitely illegal to turn off the utilities here (CA).

I'm going to talk with a lawyer and see whats up.

[Liquid]

Yeah, it's definitely illegal to turn off the utilities here (CA).

I'm going to talk with a lawyer and see whats up.




I'd also document it with your local PD. Based upon what you've given us, you may be able to arrest him. One, threats to your person, physical violence. Second, using drugs on your property. You'd have to be able to prove that, however if they investigated it and found drugs, etc. That's enough for an arrest. Also, mention fear...you fear for your safety while doing maintenance on your property, etc.

Documenting it with PD does two things. They may investigate it, arrest the guy for drugs, etc. Or, it's documented. You reported it, and what happens after that...there's a shoulder of blame on the PD for 'not doing anything'.

That means it gives you some protection because you did your lawful duty and reported these crimes.

Messy, but can cover your ass.

[Kali]

Good idea Liquid.

I cooled down and decided I don't want to do any time so handling it through a eviction service.

I think I will call and make a report of him making threats...just so its on file.

I want to have some stuff against him to help out in getting him back to where he belongs...prison.

[Awoke]

Good call, Kali.
You don't need to get yourself tied up in a pissing match with a violent drug user, even if you think you could "take him".

Go through the proper channels and get this guy out of your life. Don't try to help him again in teh future either. He has shown you his true colors.

[Kali]

An update..

The guy Im evicting was arrested 3 days after being served the eviction notice for a crime he committed.

He had let some others move in though.

So now the people that are there are not even the person Im evicting.

I figured I could press some charges but nope. Law is on their side.

Still have to go through the eviction process and get the sheriff to come kick them all out.

I drove by there today and saw the garage open and it was graffitied up. Pitbull in the backyard too.

A bunch of youngsters partying.

They surely know how the system works...as its on their side.

There is 5 more biz days to go before the sheriff kicks them out but you know what, I cant wait.

Its midnight and things are going to get ugly.

I will do some time if I have to.

I'll update this when I can.

Time to have a party of my own like the good old days.

[Kali]

BTW, I will try to youtube it all if I can get the video footage.

[Horn]

BTW, I will try to youtube it all if I can get the video footage.


:ROFL:

I'm sorry, but I was seriously concerned there was going to be bloodshed at some point from the first post.

[The Great Ag]

An update..

The guy Im evicting was arrested 3 days after being served the eviction notice for a crime he committed.

He had let some others move in though.

So now the people that are there are not even the person Im evicting.

I figured I could press some charges but nope. Law is on their side.

Still have to go through the eviction process and get the sheriff to come kick them all out.

I drove by there today and saw the garage open and it was graffitied up. Pitbull in the backyard too.

A bunch of youngsters partying.

They surely know how the system works...as its on their side.

There is 5 more biz days to go before the sheriff kicks them out but you know what, I cant wait.

Its midnight and things are going to get ugly.

I will do some time if I have to.

I'll update this when I can.

Time to have a party of my own like the good old days.

Hey, Kali:
Sorry I am just now reading your thread for the first time. I have extensive experience, 11 years, dealing with Landlord/Tenant code. My experience is limited to Delaware but there will be many similarities.

I want to make sure I understand the situation.
1. Ex-prison buddy is renting with a verbal agreement only.
2. Ex-prison buddy is behind in rent.
3. Ex-prison buddy is legally given an eviction notice.
4. Ex-prison buddy is arrested.
5. Ex-prison buddy allowed total strangers to move into your property.

My questions for clarification:
1. Is the ex-prison buddy still in jail?
2. Do you know the squatters at all?
3. Is it your policy to allow pets?

Based upon my 5 precepts and my knowledge of Delaware law, this is what I would do. First, continue the eviction process. This is proper and legal. Based upon his recent arrest, you may be able to speed up the process. In Delaware, it is legal to terminate an agreement because of a felony and the courts, upon request, MAY hold an emergency case action if you can prove the tenant could be doing damage to the property. Check w/Cali law first regarding this. Second, as it pertains to the squatters, call the cops stating there are trespassers in your house. Explain the situation with the ex-prison buddy and how he allowed total strangers to move in. Explain they have a pitbull, you do not know them, they are causing damage and you are concerned for your safety. If this happened in Delaware, they would have NO legal right to the house and could be tossed out immediately. I suspect the same is true for Cali.

Basically, the squatters have NO contract with you, verbal or written. No contract exists, therefore they are trespassers and can be removed by the cops.

Don't be surprised if the interior is totally destroyed. Squatters usually do this. Here is where you F-your buddy. He allowed strangers into the property. Therefore he is RESPONSIBLE for their actions. Any damages caused you can go after your buddy for the damages. Okay he is a bum, and probably does not have any money. OR maybe he does and he is just not paying you. Once you have a judgement against him, there are many LEGAL ways to extract money from people.

Hope this helps,

The Great Ag

[Spectrism]

Good advice from The Great Ag. These trespassers are not guests but squatters doing damage to the property. They have no rights to occupy the property.

[sunshine05]

AG's post is great. It does make sense that you could get them out of there since you have NO agreement with them. Total strangers can not just move into your property. I am SO sorry you have had to deal with all of this. Reminds me to never rent to anyone. I hate when people take advantage of someone's kindness like this....it happens way too often. I hope you get them out of there soon.

[k-os]

My neighbor is trying to rent out the "mother in law" side of my house, which is a small apartment sized area, to help subsidize my trip around the USA. I am starting to feel grateful that we haven't found a renter. :-\

Best of luck to you, Kali. I hope you don't take the law into your own hands. Not because I don't want justice for you and your situation, but because I think it may do you more harm than good at this point.

[silversurfer]

for the life of me I can't understand how Randy Quaid and wife can be arrested but you have trouble with peons

[/img] http://media.washtimes.com/media/image/2010/09/21/People_Randy_Quaid.sff_s640x404.jpg?bee5f82593861b 74a7e6c43ed32526fc57256044

Randy Quaid, wife released after squatter arrests
This booking photo provided by the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office shows Evi Quaid. Police arrested Evi Quaid and her husband actor Randy Quaid Saturday Sept. 18, 2010 on charges of felony residential burglary and entering a non-commercial building without consent, a misdemeanor. Police also charged Evi Quaid with resisting arrest. (AP Photo/Santa Barbara County Sheriff)

By ASSOCIATED PRESS

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Associated Press

2:41 p.m., Monday, September 20, 2010

SANTA BARBARA, CALIF. (AP) - Authorities say actor Randy Quaid and his wife have been released on bail after their weekend squatting arrests for moving into a home they reportedly sold years ago in California.

Santa Barbara County sheriff's spokesman Drew Sugars says the Quaids were arrested Saturday after an alarm went off at the Montecito home and the couple was found living in a guest house.

The 59-year-old actor known for roles in "National Lampoon's Vacation" movies and his wife, Evegena, were booked for investigation of felony residential burglary and misdemeanor entering a building without consent.

The Quaids were released on $50,000 bail early Sunday.

The couple's lawyer would not comment.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/sep/20/randy-quaid-wife-released-after-squatter-arrests/

[willie pete]

^^^weren't they just in the news for skipping out on a hotel room bill or something?

[Kali]

I took a buddy over there last night and there was a full blown party going on in the backyard.

Beer and pot.

I told them I was a neighbor and wanted to hang out (to see exactly what was going on).

We ended up drinking with them and my buddy got laid by some 19 yr old chick (hes about 35).

I shit you not.

I never told them I was the owner. They have 5 days left as sheriff posted notice today.

The house was in good shape inside...the garage was wall to wall graffiti.

They will probably thrash the place before the last day is up. I have several of their names should I choose to kick their asses later.

Good times.

[Kali]

Hey, Kali:
Sorry I am just now reading your thread for the first time. I have extensive experience, 11 years, dealing with Landlord/Tenant code. My experience is limited to Delaware but there will be many similarities.

I want to make sure I understand the situation.
1. Ex-prison buddy is renting with a verbal agreement only.
2. Ex-prison buddy is behind in rent.
3. Ex-prison buddy is legally given an eviction notice.
4. Ex-prison buddy is arrested.
5. Ex-prison buddy allowed total strangers to move into your property.

My questions for clarification:
1. Is the ex-prison buddy still in jail?
2. Do you know the squatters at all?
3. Is it your policy to allow pets?

Based upon my 5 precepts and my knowledge of Delaware law, this is what I would do. First, continue the eviction process. This is proper and legal. Based upon his recent arrest, you may be able to speed up the process. In Delaware, it is legal to terminate an agreement because of a felony and the courts, upon request, MAY hold an emergency case action if you can prove the tenant could be doing damage to the property. Check w/Cali law first regarding this. Second, as it pertains to the squatters, call the cops stating there are trespassers in your house. Explain the situation with the ex-prison buddy and how he allowed total strangers to move in. Explain they have a pitbull, you do not know them, they are causing damage and you are concerned for your safety. If this happened in Delaware, they would have NO legal right to the house and could be tossed out immediately. I suspect the same is true for Cali.

Basically, the squatters have NO contract with you, verbal or written. No contract exists, therefore they are trespassers and can be removed by the cops.

Don't be surprised if the interior is totally destroyed. Squatters usually do this. Here is where you F-your buddy. He allowed strangers into the property. Therefore he is RESPONSIBLE for their actions. Any damages caused you can go after your buddy for the damages. Okay he is a bum, and probably does not have any money. OR maybe he does and he is just not paying you. Once you have a judgement against him, there are many LEGAL ways to extract money from people.

Hope this helps,

The Great Ag


Your understanding is right.

He is still in jail. He'll be going back to prison most likely.

I know now why he is so tough...he hangs with a young crowd and only with people he knows he can beat up.

I didnt know the squatters til now...and no, I cannot kick them out...they have to be evicted...well, if I want to do it legally.

[etc]

WWJD ?

Ass kicking is not the answer here


A friend of mine had dead beat renters that wouldn't leave,
He decided to renovate.... He took out all the windows in the house.(to be upgraded later)
They left....He upgraded the windows and sold the place.


I heard that same strategy, there was this one lady landlord who would give dead-beats 30 days to pay up and after that would remove the sink, the door, all the essentials.

[etc]

The guy Im evicting was arrested 3 days after being served the eviction notice for a crime he committed.
He had let some others move in though.
So now the people that are there are not even the person Im evicting.




It's a paradox: Anytime you really help out someone, they treat you like dirt. Had happened to me every time. They treat you with contempt and hatred or good old back-stabbing. The more you help them (in a non-token way) the more they hate you. Weird...

[milehi]

I took a buddy over there last night and there was a full blown party going on in the backyard.

Beer and pot.

I told them I was a neighbor and wanted to hang out (to see exactly what was going on).

We ended up drinking with them and my buddy got laid by some 19 yr old chick (hes about 35).

I sh*t you not.

I never told them I was the owner. They have 5 days left as sheriff posted notice today.

The house was in good shape inside...the garage was wall to wall graffiti.

They will probably thrash the place before the last day is up. I have several of their names should I choose to kick their asses later.

Good times.


Nice infiltration and penetration ;D

[chad]

get your buddy to the std clinic asap...

[Light]

If the squatters had sex with your buddy and got you high then by California law you now owe them.

You should let them stay. They sound like fun people.

[Dogman]

get your buddy to the std clinic asap...


Think most will not show up on a test right after the act. The bugs need time to incubate.

[Kali]

You should let them stay. They sound like fun people.


I am letting them stay...for another 5 days.

The real party starts after I see how they leave the place.

[Awoke]

This is evolving into a pretty exciting and very interesting saga.

I wish you had have had a small spy camera with an electroic recorder on you, to get some video footage. I would have watched it for sure!!

[Cebu_4_2]

This is evolving into a pretty exciting and very interesting saga.

I wish you had have had a small spy camera with an electroic recorder on you, to get some video footage. I would have watched it for sure!!



+1 on the video, I have been patiently waiting til the 5 days are over... isn't that tomorrow or Thursday?

Edit: Just looked, it is Thursday.

[Kali]

It was today.

I met the sheriffs over there and everyone was gone.

The guy I rented to got out of jail the night before...interesting timing.

They took all the furniture I had there but nothing I can do as its a civil matter...so the cops told me.

They didnt thrash the place much...I'll probably spend around $3,000 getting it move in ready again.

I was expecting worse.

So, heres the latest...the guy I rented to is hanging at the neighbors house who is in a foreclosure.

I saw him peek out the window when the sheriffs were there today...I remembered he said he was friends with this neighbor so I was watching closely.

Got the locks changed and locked the windows that they had left unlocked so they can easily climb in later without breaking and entering.

Also, turned off all lights...well, the 3 that were on...they took out all the incandescent light bulbs...either stocking up like myself or using them to smoke meth/crack out of...Im pretty sure its the latter.

Anyways, I drove by and saw a light on inside an hour ago...looks like someone is in there.

It was about 9pm...going to wait til around midnight and drive by again as they wont be expecting me then.

Then time to call the cops and see if we can catch them.

I drank some red bull and I'll be up all night waiting for these punks to surface...now I have the law on my side (sore of) so going to see if I can get em busted.

Fun stuff.

[Kali]

I could install some video cameras and leave the house empty for awhile and see how many I can catch.

That would be fun but they'd probably find them and steal em.

Would need night vision on them too as they probably sit there and tweak in the dark.

Anyone got any ideas on some cameras? I dont know squat about the latest technology.

A small cam that has memory would be needed, no wires.

[Liquid]

Anyways, I drove by and saw a light on inside an hour ago...looks like someone is in there.

It was about 9pm...going to wait til around midnight and drive by again as they wont be expecting me then.

Then time to call the cops and see if we can catch them.



Kali, not recommending anything, but at this point you are in a good spot. Anyone on the property is either trespassing or breaking and entering.

Your best bet is to call the cops on it.

Camera's I think would be fairly worthless. You could show up with a shotgun and arrest anyone there though, on the spot. I would never recommend that, but you could.

Now, you've got the law on your side, and rightly so.

I would never recommend anything of the sort, but if you are calm and feel you can control the situation, make an arrest on the spot yourself.

[Kali]

If I saw them in person and inside my house, at this point, I would not be able to be calm.

If I had a shotgun and had to use it I'd be scared shitless as the law is too shady. If I went there looking for them with a gun I'd probably be sent to prison. My house or not.

If I lived in the home it could be a different story and even that's not bulletproof.

Thanks for the input though.

[Awoke]

http://www.spyshops.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?search=action&category=HDVR&keywords=all

[Kali]

Well, the update is that someone did break into the place that night...bent up the back slider door to pop open the handle.

They didn't do anything and weren't there when I showed up. maybe they had some dope hidden somewhere.

No more action since then.

I also got a letter in the mailbox to one of the girls staying there from the boyfriend who recently went to jail (not the guy renting from me).

Now I have several of their names.

Part of it read "Hey Babe, I miss you, hope you are being good!" and "I miss hanging with you, Gina, and Marti at Rob's house (my rental)"...and also "Please take care of my truck".

So now I have some names including two full names.

I decided to write the guy back acting like a friend of his girlfriend and told him that she wants you to leave her alone as she has a new man...and we sold your truck.

I also added.."Oh yeah, she says you suck in the sack you loser".

Having some fun with it.

[ShortJohnSilver]

Well, the update is that someone did break into the place that night...bent up the back slider door to pop open the handle.

They didn't do anything and weren't there when I showed up. maybe they had some dope hidden somewhere.

No more action since then.

I also got a letter in the mailbox to one of the girls staying there from the boyfriend who recently went to jail (not the guy renting from me).

Now I have several of their names.

Part of it read "Hey Babe, I miss you, hope you are being good!" and "I miss hanging with you, Gina, and Marti at Rob's house (my rental)"...and also "Please take care of my truck".

So now I have some names including two full names.

I decided to write the guy back acting like a friend of his girlfriend and told him that she wants you to leave her alone as she has a new man...and we sold your truck.

I also added.."Oh yeah, she says you suck in the sack you loser".

Having some fun with it.




If the mail was delivered to a mailbox you can get into trouble for interfering with the mail, though the likelihood of getting into trouble even if caught is low.

[Kali]

how long will you prolong it?


However long it takes to stay out of jail.

Not everyone can be a badass such as yourself.

[Grand Master Melon]

WTF is all this nonsense?

[Kali]

Looks like we have a troll that needs a boot.

[Awoke]

What's up with all those Silversurfer quotes?

Not making sense.

Also, I would urge you to reconsider writing the guy back. That is going to make it personal if he finds out it was you. RIght now, you only have one douchebag to worry about. Why add another to the list?

[Kali]

You could be right Awoke, but I'm going to have fun with it anyway.

I'm taking a decent sized financial loss from all this...so need to at least get a bit of entertainment out of it.