Social programming or human nature?

[dysgenic]

A couple of weeks ago I went to an engagement party and I haven't been able to stop thinking about it since. There were probably 40-50 people, most of whom didn't know each other very well. Outside of age (30-40 range mostly), it was an eclectic group of people in just about every respect: income disparities from rich to poor, varying levels of intelligence from smart to stupid, different opinions, backgrounds, ways of dressing, etc...
So you have all of these wildly different people that are strangers to one another, and once the alcohol gets flowing people are interacting, getting to know each other, and having a blast to such a degree that the night is reaching legendary status.

Of course, I was mostly just people watching because I love to see the way that people relate to one another in these types of situations. The thing that astounded me was that with all the differences between these people that I've already alluded to, the only one that really seemed to matter in this situation was physical attractiveness. I was and still am amazed at how differently the attractive people were treated as compared to the ugly. The difference was really striking.
Attractive person tells a boring, long winded anecdote or bad joke- everyone pays 1000% attention and then laughs hysterically. Ugly person tells a surprisingly witty anecdote or joke, people listen with one ear and then chuckle in a cursory way. Attractive person gives a ridiculous opinion, "I can see where you are coming from" or nodding heads. Ugly person gives reasonable opinion, opinion is simply completely ignored.
As the night got older and more people got drunk, more people started to make inappropriate comments and jokes, and to horror I noticed that the reaction was laughing and even admiration for the 'good looking' people, but disgust for the ugly.
Now many will say that it is a gender thing, but I think that this phenomenon applies acros gender lines uniformly.
Thoughts?

[Phoenix]

Good looks are something one cannot buy, yet many try because good looks are more effective than money for so many things. Men value good looks more than women, since more women, by far, marry for money, than vice-versa. Few men there be who will get a hard on for a rich ugly bitch, but plenty of women will whore themselves out if the price is right.

The Jewsmedia, however, has aimed to manipulate social preference for natural good looks to Kosher "good looks." The old saying, "tall, dark, and handsome" once meant a White man with brown hair. Now it's applied to non-Whites, often with blatantly simian features, or camel-faced Jews.

[mamboni]

The Jewsmedia, however, has aimed to manipulate social preference for natural good looks to Kosher "good looks." The old saying, "tall, dark, and handsome" once meant a White man with brown hair. Now it's applied to non-Whites, often with blatantly simian features, or camel-faced Jews.

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

You've got a gift for words. Camel-faced? :ROFL:

[Liquid]

Good looks are something one cannot buy, yet many try because good looks are more effective than money for so many things. Men value good looks more than women, since more women, by far, marry for money, than vice-versa. Few men there be who will get a hard on for a rich ugly bitch, but plenty of women will whore themselves out if the price is right.

The Jewsmedia, however, has aimed to manipulate social preference for natural good looks to Kosher "good looks." The old saying, "tall, dark, and handsome" once meant a White man with brown hair. Now it's applied to non-Whites, often with blatantly simian features, or camel-faced Jews.


I agree with Phoenix, except for the camel-faced jew simian BS comment.

However, confidence is key here too...it's not just about good looks. You can tell people, when they are at their best. Their personal best, it's not about competing with others, it's about believing in ourselves. It really comes down to that, and that alone. It doesn't matter what others think about us, but what we think about ourselves.

[Phoenix]

I agree with Phoenix, except for the camel-faced jew simian BS comment.


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[mamboni]

I agree with Phoenix, except for the camel-faced jew simian BS comment.


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Touche! Point goes to Phoenix. ;D ;D ;D

[FunnyMoney]

... admiration for the 'good looking' people, but disgust for the ugly...

Thoughts?



You spent all that time and did all that analysis and still, despite it all, you trapped yourself inside the box (or the matrix, if you want to call it that instead).

Sure, what you say is true, but there is something much more important. I bet of all those people there, very few, even possibly only you may have been the only one who did not fall into the 80% spectator rule...

Forgot already?....

http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/righteous-and-honorable-____________/

[dysgenic]

"Confidence comes from demonstrated ability."
Bill Parcells

Maybe the quote isn't a true fit for what I'm going to try and convey. The point is that the manner in which other people respond to a particular person can reasonably be assumed by the person to be a barometer of talent or ability or competence or whatever. So in practice, how is an unattractive person going to have confidence when their experience tells them otherwise? On the other hand, an attractive persons experience would naturally lead them to develop this confidence even if it isn't consistent with their true abilities.

More thoughts on the subject:
When I was younger, I dated some drop dead gorgeous women. A couple of them were totally nuts... and worse than that they were very bad people. Yet when I introduced these women to family in friends, the family and friends immediately liked them. Over time as their true character got exposed, these same FF would be extremely resistant to believing anything negative about these women.
Then as I got older I started to date average looking women, cute women, women that were not model material. And these same FF would be extremely suspicous of them for no good reason. It's pretty wild how much people are subconciously influenced by looks.

dys








Good looks are something one cannot buy, yet many try because good looks are more effective than money for so many things. Men value good looks more than women, since more women, by far, marry for money, than vice-versa. Few men there be who will get a hard on for a rich ugly bitch, but plenty of women will whore themselves out if the price is right.

The Jewsmedia, however, has aimed to manipulate social preference for natural good looks to Kosher "good looks." The old saying, "tall, dark, and handsome" once meant a White man with brown hair. Now it's applied to non-Whites, often with blatantly simian features, or camel-faced Jews.


I agree with Phoenix, except for the camel-faced jew simian BS comment.

However, confidence is key here too...it's not just about good looks. You can tell people, when they are at their best. Their personal best, it's not about competing with others, it's about believing in ourselves. It really comes down to that, and that alone. It doesn't matter what others think about us, but what we think about ourselves.

[Liquid]

Touche! Point goes to Phoenix. ;D ;D ;D


You disappoint me with this comment.

[FunnyMoney]

You disappoint me with this comment.



The spectators do not live up to any standard. A failure in one single aspect will prevent one from reaching the goal, regardless of how correct they may be in everything else. The ability to speak the truth is the ability to do so despite the majority's vote on the matter. Do not rely on anyone and you will never be disappointed in them.

[FunnyMoney]

It really does not matter what people look like in the end. Death and taxes determine everybody's reality. Men like beauty and society holds up what is declared good looking just as it holds up great athletes, great actors, politicians and wealth. People become trapped inside society norms and help hold it all up. It is not bad unless you make it so. You can cheer on your favorite tennis player or rock star, you can marry for looks and all the rest. The real question remains: do you understand the root cause of what you do and why you do it or are you just going through the motions like everybody else, all the other spectators?

[Phoenix]

Touche! Point goes to Phoenix. ;D ;D ;D


You disappoint me with this comment.


You deny the reality before your eyes.

Samuel Newhouse is one UGLY son of a bitch. His countenance reflects his soul.

[Phoenix]

Maybe the quote isn't a true fit for what I'm going to try and convey. The point is that the manner in which other people respond to a particular person can reasonably be assumed by the person to be a barometer of talent or ability or competence or whatever. So in practice, how is an unattractive person going to have confidence when their experience tells them otherwise? On the other hand, an attractive persons experience would naturally lead them to develop this confidence even if it isn't consistent with their true abilities.


Stated simply: modern society values style over substance. This is why plastic surgery and even make-up are so highly valued, not even just natural beauty.

It's not a crime to be ugly, when one is beautiful inside.

However, outward beauty is a virtue. It's a cultural tradition from time immemorial, in the Bible and every artifact of Western civilization. Beauty outwardly correlated with beauty inwardly has always been the epitome of goodness in our cultural tradition.

As for the confidence of the "unattractive," they must counteract with sheer Willpower. The will to overcome. Adapt, adjust, or advance to a new frontier where one's valuable traits are taken seriously, regardless of "sex appeal" or whatever.

The stupid ascribe inner value to those who have outer value without ascertaining what is truly inside.

[Book]

Thoughts?



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Who didn't know this by the age of eight?

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[SHTF2010]

However, confidence is key here too...it's not just about good looks. You can tell people, when they are at their best. Their personal best, it's not about competing with others, it's about believing in ourselves. It really comes down to that, and that alone. It doesn't matter what others think about us, but what we think about ourselves .


+1

it's situations like this where people learn how to stand on their own 2 feet and not " go with the flow "


i'm a people watcher too
i hate being IN a crowd, i'd rather be on the perimeter watching others interact

[mamboni]

Touche! Point goes to Phoenix. ;D ;D ;D


You disappoint me with this comment.


The guy looks like a camel, no?

[hoarder]

Good looks are something one cannot buy, yet many try because good looks are more effective than money for so many things. Men value good looks more than women, since more women, by far, marry for money, than vice-versa. Few men there be who will get a hard on for a rich ugly bitch, but plenty of women will whore themselves out if the price is right.Because for hundreds of generations in western culture, women married for money and men married for looks, people of higher intellect were more likely to be good-looking and vice-versa, at least 75% of the time. It was a passive form of eugenics. But this is not the case of Khazars, who had exercised a more deliberate and systemic form of eugenics.

In response to the OP's party, 'wittyness" has very little to do with intellect. Some of the funniest people are dumb as a rock. Humor is always at someone's expense and those who are unable to support thier point of view with logic often do so with sarcasm and wit.

[hoarder]

Real confidence usually has basis, but fake confidence is powerful, especially when used in marketing or on women. It's a tool for survival and success. Black men figured this out long ago. They show confidence whether they have it or not, in their voice, their walk and their body language, never admitting their weaknesses. Women love it. White men are fooled by it too. Most White men only have real confidence if any at all, and can't grasp that others with less to be confident about fake it with ease.

[Book]

Humor is always at someone's expense and those who are unable to support their point of view with logic often do so with sarcasm and wit.



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[FunnyMoney]

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The stupid ascribe inner value to those who have outer value without ascertaining what is truly inside.


Stupid is just another word for spectator. They do not exercise their will power, or they do so for evil more than good. If the words of most religions are correct, then they likely will lose the other gift they were given because of this mistake.

But what makes me really wonder, Phoenix, is how come you can write these words but are still unable to apply them to your own thinking. Could it be that your own will power is not strong enough to resist the spin and speel spit forth by others? Or do you truly believe you can truly ascertain what is truly inside someone by who their parents were?

[Liquid]

The guy looks like a camel, no?


Yeah, he kind of does. :) My apologies for that comment, it was uncalled for. I should lighten up a little. ;)

[Liquid]

Real confidence usually has basis, but fake confidence is powerful, especially when used in marketing or on women. It's a tool for survival and success. Black men figured this out long ago. They show confidence whether they have it or not, in their voice, their walk and their body language, never admitting their weaknesses. Women love it. White men are fooled by it too. Most White men only have real confidence if any at all, and can't grasp that others with less to be confident about fake it with ease.


Excellent points, hoarder. Fake confidence can impress people, and I think it's a natural instinct for men to want to impress women, to some extent, at least for procreation and survival of the species. Black men have figured it out, more so than whites I think. That is apparent in the inner cities, where there's a lot of peacocking, and bling culture. To act tougher than the next guy may be a survival tool.

Real confidence comes from within, and achieving goals we set for ourselves. I am not the type to impress people, but the older I get and the more life experience I get, the more confident I get.

[mamboni]

The guy looks like a camel, no?


Yeah, he kind of does. :) My apologies for that comment, it was uncalled for. I should lighten up a little. ;)


No problem bro! I love all you guys and I have a very thick skin ;D ;D ;D.

On a more general note, I sense a bunch of youngish white males here with more than their fair share of angst over current events and our anti-white culture. I do feel your collective pain. But I stopped getting angry over it a while ago. I'm focused on preparing for the "day after" and the comuppance to follow. When this corrupt, decadent bloated multiculturalist system built on lies and unhealthy fantasies collapses, the people who really built this society and know how to make and do useful things will reassert their leadership. And the "liberated" women will find out that white men are far more than small-balled sperm-providers and are not to be trifled with.

[mamboni]

Humor is always at someone's expense and those who are unable to support their point of view with logic often do so with sarcasm and wit.



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I think your avatar may be the most powerful weight-loss device ever - every time I see it I get nauseous. :o :o :o

[Twisted Titan]

Good looks are something one cannot buy, yet many try because good looks are more effective than money for so many things. Men value good looks more than women, since more women, by far, marry for money, than vice-versa. Few men there be who will get a hard on for a rich ugly bitch, but plenty of women will whore themselves out if the price is right.

[StackerKen]

.. ."He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him."

Guess who?

[mamboni]

.. ."He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him."

Guess who?


Aqualung?

[StackerKen]

.. ."He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him."

Guess who?


Aqualung?


Nope.... that would be

"Snot running down his nose
greasy fingers smearing shabby clothes"

[hoarder]

That is apparent in the inner cities, where there's a lot of peacocking, and bling culture. To act tougher than the next guy may be a survival tool.
"Peacocking" LMAO! Never heard that one. I always called it strutting, as anyone who has watched wild gobblers can appreciate. Confidence sells, whether it's real or not doesn't always matter.
Same goes for overt enjoyment of one's activities. The latter fools women as well as boss men. Two men who are equal performers, one whistles while he works and the other scowls...results are the same. You know which one gets all the credit.

[StackerKen]

Thanks Hoarder........Makes sense....... I will try to remember that one

[Liquid]

"Peacocking" LMAO! Never heard that one. I always called it strutting, as anyone who has watched wild gobblers can appreciate. Confidence sells, whether it's real or not doesn't always matter.
Same goes for overt enjoyment of one's activities. The latter fools women as well as boss men. Two men who are equal performers, one whistles while he works and the other scowls...results are the same. You know which one gets all the credit.


Strutting, peacocking all the same thing. I think the correct term is 'postering'. It's the alpha male pack mentality. The alpha gets his choice of women, attention, power, etc. Anyway, I think it's great actually, because I like to fly under the radar. I do not like attention, and nobody messes with me because they have nothing to gain from it. Two peacocks pecking trying to out-alpha each other, I say let them. Keeps the attention off of me. ;)

The less attention we draw upon ourselves, the better.

[Libertarian_Guard]

Same goes for overt enjoyment of one's activities. The latter fools women as well as boss men. Two men who are equal performers, one whistles while he works and the other scowls...results are the same. You know which one gets all the credit.


Very interesting, and it makes perfect sense, I must have seen it happen 100 times or more, yet I never consciously caught on to this.

Since we're talking psychology, I'll mention a ploy that works. If you must work with a pain in the ass that always stands in your way and has a bias against you, don't avoid the fool, as his problem with you will only get worse. Have him do small favors from time to time. Catch a ride with him, ask him to help you lift something, move some boxes around or whatever. It doesn't matter, as long as the requests are simple, and he would have a hard time saying no.

I guarantee he will justify having gone out of his way for you by slightly elevating you in his pea brain, and that will be enough to help make your working relationship a lot more tolerable.

[philo beddoe]

"Peacocking" LMAO! Never heard that one. I always called it strutting, as anyone who has watched wild gobblers can appreciate. Confidence sells, whether it's real or not doesn't always matter.
Same goes for overt enjoyment of one's activities. The latter fools women as well as boss men. Two men who are equal performers, one whistles while he works and the other scowls...results are the same. You know which one gets all the credit.


Strutting, peacocking all the same thing. I think the correct term is 'postering'. It's the alpha male pack mentality. The alpha gets his choice of women, attention, power, etc. Anyway, I think it's great actually, because I like to fly under the radar. I do not like attention, and nobody messes with me because they have nothing to gain from it. Two peacocks pecking trying to out-alpha each other, I say let them. Keeps the attention off of me. ;)

The less attention we draw upon ourselves, the better.


For all the policemen who have not learned to spell, It is posturing.

[Liquid]

For all the policemen who have not learned to spell, It is posturing.


I believe you are 'posturing' right now.

[Libertarian_Guard]

For all the policemen who have not learned to spell, It is posturing.
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I still haven’t learned to spell, and I’m not even a police man.

[philo beddoe]

Maybe the quote isn't a true fit for what I'm going to try and convey. The point is that the manner in which other people respond to a particular person can reasonably be assumed by the person to be a barometer of talent or ability or competence or whatever. So in practice, how is an unattractive person going to have confidence when their experience tells them otherwise? On the other hand, an attractive persons experience would naturally lead them to develop this confidence even if it isn't consistent with their true abilities.


Stated simply: modern society values style over substance. This is why plastic surgery and even make-up are so highly valued, not even just natural beauty.

It's not a crime to be ugly, when one is beautiful inside.

However, outward beauty is a virtue. It's a cultural tradition from time immemorial, in the Bible and every artifact of Western civilization. Beauty outwardly correlated with beauty inwardly has always been the epitome of goodness in our cultural tradition.

As for the confidence of the "unattractive," they must counteract with sheer Willpower. The will to overcome. Adapt, adjust, or advance to a new frontier where one's valuable traits are taken seriously, regardless of "sex appeal" or whatever.

The stupid ascribe inner value to those who have outer value without ascertaining what is truly inside.
Brian Boru was an Irish king from the middle ages. He is said to ave over 1000000 descendants. Who you choose to procreate with is important. Outward beauty is a sign of good health.

[Neuro]

Genghis Khan is believed to have around 0.5 % of worlds population as descendants...

I don't know whether he was particularly beautiful, but he sure was powerful, and picked the most beautiful women for himself. His sons and grandsons did the same...

Read about the mongol hordes here...
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/02/0214_030214_genghis.html