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Phoenix
9th September 2010, 06:12 PM
http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/09/08/669723/lists-of-pain-pillpatients-sought.html

Sheriffs want lists of patients using painkillers

BY LYNN BONNER - staff writer

Sheriffs in North Carolina want access to state computer records identifying anyone with prescriptions for powerful painkillers and other controlled substances.

The state sheriff's association pushed the idea Tuesday, saying the move would help them make drug arrests and curb a growing problem of prescription drug abuse. But patient advocates say opening up people's medicine cabinets to law enforcement would deal a devastating blow to privacy rights.

Allowing sheriffs' offices and other law enforcement officials to use the state's computerized list would vastly widen the circle of people with access to information on prescriptions written for millions of people. As it stands now, doctors and pharmacists are the main users.
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Nearly 30 percent of state residents received at least one prescription for a controlled substance, anything from Ambien to OxyContin, in the first six months of this year, according to the state Department of Health and Human Services. Nearly 2.5 million people filled prescriptions in that time for more than 375 million doses. The database has about 53.5 million prescriptions in it.

Sheriffs made their pitch Tuesday to a legislative health care committee looking for ways to confront prescription drug abuse. Local sheriffs said that more people in their counties die of accidental overdoses than from homicides.

For years, sheriffs have been trying to convince legislators that the state's prescription records should be open to them.

"We can better go after those who are abusing the system," said Lee County Sheriff Tracy L. Carter.

Others say opening up patients' medicine cabinets to law enforcement is a terrible idea.

"I am very concerned about the potential privacy issues for people with pain," said Candy Pitcher of Cary, who volunteers for the nonprofit American Pain Foundation. "I don't feel that I should have to sign away my privacy rights just because I take an opioid under doctor's care." Pitcher is receiving treatment for a broken back.

The ACLU opposed a bill in 2007 that would have opened the list to law enforcement officials, said ACLU lobbyist Sarah Preston. The organization would likely object to the new proposal.

"What really did concern us is the privacy aspect," she said. Opening the record to more users could deter someone from getting necessary medicine because of the fear that others would find out, she said, "particularly in small towns where everybody knows everybody."

The state started collecting the information in 2007 to help doctors identify patients who go from doctor to doctor looking for prescription drugs they may not need, and to keep pharmacists from supplying patients with too many pills. But only about 20 percent of the state's doctors have registered to use the information, and only 10 percent of the pharmacies are registered.

Many chain pharmacies aren't connected to the Internet, said Andy Ellen, a lobbyist for the N.C. Retail Merchants Association. Pharmacy computers work on closed systems so they won't be vulnerable to viruses that could slow or crash their networks. Pharmacies are trying to figure out a way around that obstacle to the controlled-substance prescriptions list, he said.

Bettie Blanchard, a woman from Dare County whose adult son is recovering from addiction to prescription drugs, said doctors should be required to consult the list when prescribing controlled substances.

She also wants doctors to get more education on prescribing narcotics. Doctors should be required to tell patients that the medicine they are being prescribed can be addictive, she said.

William Bronson, who works in a drug control unit at DHHS, presented what could be a compromise to the sheriffs' request - allowing local drug investigators to request information related to ongoing investigations, but not let them go in to the computer records themselves.

Eddie Caldwell, lobbyist for the N.C. Sheriff's Association, said the level of access to the data is up for discussion.

"There's a middle ground where the sheriffs and their personnel working on these drug abuse cases get the information they need in a way that protects the privacy of that information," he said. "No one wants every officer in the state to be able to log on and look it up."

lynn.bonner@newsobserver.com or 919-829-4821

Glass
9th September 2010, 08:34 PM
There's a case for people who are ripping of a benefit scheme by prescription shopping, however if you don't want to get caught and the prescribed drug is not a scheduled drug (i.e. need Govt health dept authority to prescribe it) then all you do is pay for it outright and don't claim the benefit.

As for the whole privacy thing well I think I covered that above. What I would like to see is a list of those drugs that cause impairment being tested for in road side stops. If someone can be tested for drunkeness or use of a drug like pot then they should also be tested for any other thing they have taken that could cause impairment. Many drugs carry warnings not to drive or operate machinery, however lots of people ignore this.

I think someone posted some stats on prescribed drug use in the US which suggests nearly 1 in every 2 people are on some kind of drug. So on the road nearly 1 in every 2 cars is being driven by someone under the influence of something. Now not all drugs cause impariment but a fair few do. SOmeone causing injury by doing something that they should have known could give rise to causing an injury are in trouble because they fail the Duty of Care doctrine. I think it is fair enough to ask some one who has caused you to be in an accident whether they are taking any kind of medication and what it is.

mrnhtbr2232
9th September 2010, 08:50 PM
Lists. I'm sick of lists. Every government and law enforcement wonk wants a "list" - we only have liberties in this country until we encounter officials. After that they pick apart our profiles to find anything they can. If they don't find anything, then they invent it. Either way, there is no such thing as freedom of movement anymore unless you never make contact with the predators out there that want to control us like picking wings off flies. And metabolites stay in people's bodies after drugs wear off - are we going to arrest someone clear of mind and posing no danger because they had a handful of Vicodin last night? Ridiculous. This is nothing more than another trial balloon to erode what's left of staying outside the system. I disagree with anyone that says it's about public safety. Horseshit.

Phoenix
10th September 2010, 12:27 AM
There's a case for people who are ripping of a benefit scheme by prescription shopping, however if you don't want to get caught and the prescribed drug is not a scheduled drug (i.e. need Govt health dept authority to prescribe it) then all you do is pay for it outright and don't claim the benefit.


You CAN'T "rip off a benefit scheme" by doctor shopping.




I think someone posted some stats on prescribed drug use in the US which suggests nearly 1 in every 2 people are on some kind of drug. So on the road nearly 1 in every 2 cars is being driven by someone under the influence of something. Now not all drugs cause impariment but a fair few do. SOmeone causing injury by doing something that they should have known could give rise to causing an injury are in trouble because they fail the Duty of Care doctrine. I think it is fair enough to ask some one who has caused you to be in an accident whether they are taking any kind of medication and what it is.


ALCOHOL is the number one drug problem in America and the entire Western world. Yet, because it's a multi-billion dollar industry, run largely by Jews, draconian measures to control it are not taken. I'm far more worried about some drunken SOB wrecking into me than someone taking Vicodin.

Phoenix
10th September 2010, 12:28 AM
Lists. I'm sick of lists. Every government and law enforcement wonk wants a "list" - we only have liberties in this country until we encounter officials. After that they pick apart our profiles to find anything they can. If they don't find anything, then they invent it. Either way, there is no such thing as freedom of movement anymore unless you never make contact with the predators out there that want to control us like picking wings off flies. And metabolites stay in people's bodies after drugs wear off - are we going to arrest someone clear of mind and posing no danger because they had a handful of Vicodin last night? Ridiculous. This is nothing more than another trial balloon to erode what's left of staying outside the system. I disagree with anyone that says it's about public safety. Horsesh*t.


It's all about CONTROL.

My wife has migraines, and it's a real pain in the ass to try to get her relief when her regular meds don't keep them under control.

Neuro
10th September 2010, 04:24 AM
It's all about CONTROL.

My wife has migraines, and it's a real pain in the ass to try to get her relief when her regular meds don't keep them under control.

Most probably your wife has a big misalignment in the upper neck. Creating nerve irritation to the nerves following the blood vessels going to the brain, causing vaso-constriction. Migraines usually attacks when the sufferer relaxes (they are usually more stressed than other people). As the bloodpressure goes down, certain parts of the brain gets hypoxia (lack of oxygen). That's when you get the prodroma of the migraine (which could be some type of sensory hallucination, or sensitivity to light sounds, or tiredness. The brain can self-regulate the blood flow to itself, by over riding the normal regulation via the nerves from the upper neck, but it can only do this clumsilly. When the brain is hypoxic, it opens up the blood-vessels of the brain maximally, that is when you get the throbbing, pulsating headache from hell.

Your wife should go and see a good chiropractor. It should take about 4-8 sessions to get a significant improvement in symptoms (less frequency, severity of symptoms, and duration of headaches, together with reduced need for medication). It will probably take 12-20 session in all within 2-6 months for complete correction, and maximal improvement.

If your wife has been going to a chiropractor without seeing any improvement, most likely the chiropractor isn't any good.

Joe King
10th September 2010, 08:24 AM
Yea, that.
The part Neuro mentioned about the stress made me think of when she got PO'd about that comment on here awhile back.
She mentioned at the time that her migraine went away after that.
Sounds like increased O2 flow after having gotten her heart rate up a bit.

The Chiropractor advice is good, too. For anyone.

willie pete
10th September 2010, 08:54 AM
So the sheriffs want a list of people taking pain meds so they can decide who needs them or not? :D that's called practicing medicine... :D

dysgenic
10th September 2010, 11:47 AM
Sorry, but I have to give this post a major thumbs down. Why are you in favor for the unlawful act of punishing people for what they might do? Umm..precrime is bad.

dys



There's a case for people who are ripping of a benefit scheme by prescription shopping, however if you don't want to get caught and the prescribed drug is not a scheduled drug (i.e. need Govt health dept authority to prescribe it) then all you do is pay for it outright and don't claim the benefit.

As for the whole privacy thing well I think I covered that above. What I would like to see is a list of those drugs that cause impairment being tested for in road side stops. If someone can be tested for drunkeness or use of a drug like pot then they should also be tested for any other thing they have taken that could cause impairment. Many drugs carry warnings not to drive or operate machinery, however lots of people ignore this.

I think someone posted some stats on prescribed drug use in the US which suggests nearly 1 in every 2 people are on some kind of drug. So on the road nearly 1 in every 2 cars is being driven by someone under the influence of something. Now not all drugs cause impariment but a fair few do. SOmeone causing injury by doing something that they should have known could give rise to causing an injury are in trouble because they fail the Duty of Care doctrine. I think it is fair enough to ask some one who has caused you to be in an accident whether they are taking any kind of medication and what it is.

Phoenix
10th September 2010, 02:23 PM
Your wife should go and see a good chiropractor. It should take about 4-8 sessions to get a significant improvement in symptoms (less frequency, severity of symptoms, and duration of headaches, together with reduced need for medication). It will probably take 12-20 session in all within 2-6 months for complete correction, and maximal improvement.

If your wife has been going to a chiropractor without seeing any improvement, most likely the chiropractor isn't any good.


Thanks for the comments!

We've tried the chiropractor angle, and despite the great expense, relief was marginal and fleeting. This is several different, all highly regarded, chiropractors.

She has a genetic predisposition for them, and, she has serious injuries to her neck and back from an assault during work, as well as car crashes (only one her fault). Our son has the same tendencies for migraine.

As many may remember, she had brain surgery in 2006. The neurosurgeons involved indicate the problem is largely biochemical, and not just orthopedic. After years of study, I can't disagree.

The exercise angle is a balancing act. The back & neck pain, as well as currently knee pain (she's using a cane), inhibit extensive exercise. "No pain, no gain" is not a "plan" when she's crying profusely (she's not a wimp by any means).

Neuro
10th September 2010, 02:59 PM
Your wife should go and see a good chiropractor. It should take about 4-8 sessions to get a significant improvement in symptoms (less frequency, severity of symptoms, and duration of headaches, together with reduced need for medication). It will probably take 12-20 session in all within 2-6 months for complete correction, and maximal improvement.

If your wife has been going to a chiropractor without seeing any improvement, most likely the chiropractor isn't any good.


Thanks for the comments!

We've tried the chiropractor angle, and despite the great expense, relief was marginal and fleeting. This is several different, all highly regarded, chiropractors.

She has a genetic predisposition for them, and, she has serious injuries to her neck and back from an assault during work, as well as car crashes (only one her fault). Our son has the same tendencies for migraine.

As many may remember, she had brain surgery in 2006. The neurosurgeons involved indicate the problem is largely biochemical, and not just orthopedic. After years of study, I can't disagree.

The exercise angle is a balancing act. The back & neck pain, as well as currently knee pain (she's using a cane), inhibit extensive exercise. "No pain, no gain" is not a "plan" when she's crying profusely (she's not a wimp by any means).

I am sorry that she didn't get any lasting improvement from the chiropractors she has visited... In some cases I have seen the problem may have an emotional component/memory, that may need to be corrected together with the bio-mechanical problem. The emotional component which is associated with the mechanical mis-alignment basically brings it back to misalignment, whenever you think about it. It has to do with how the brain is hard wired, very few chiropractors though works on this, though they may be very technically skilled in correcting the misalignment. I know of an old chiropractor in northern California (my mentor), who may be able to help your wife.

Please PM me if you want his contact details...

Gaillo
10th September 2010, 03:30 PM
This guy was quoted as saying: "They want WHAT?!!!??" ;D