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wildcard
10th September 2010, 11:15 PM
Better get this one before it's gone. :P

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1310725/Why-I-believe-king-Nazi-hunters-Simon-Wiesenthal-fraud.html

Why I believe the king of the Nazi hunters, Simon Wiesenthal, was a fraud

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Revered: But did the Nazi hunter build his reputation on fantasy?

By Guy Walters
Last updated at 2:43 PM on 10th September 2010

For millions around the world, Simon Wiesenthal is seen as a hero.

Often credited with bringing to justice some 1,100 war criminals, the Nazi hunter and Holocaust survivor is regarded almost as a saint, a man who did more than any government to lock up the perpetrators of some of the worst crimes the world has witnessed.

Nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, the recipient of a knighthood and more than 50 other honours, Wiesenthal is particularly remembered for his role in tracking down the notorious architect of the Holocaust, Adolf Eichmann.

After he died at the age of 96 in September 2005, the eulogies poured in from around the world.

Wiesenthal was lauded as the ‘permanent representative of the victims’, a man who had not only sought justice, but prided himself on never forgetting his six million ‘clients’, as he called those who died in the Holocaust.

Those who read his memoirs could only marvel at his wartime heroism and incredible escapes from death at the hands of the Nazis.

It seemed as if Wiesenthal’s mission was almost divinely given, the gods sparing his life for some higher purpose.

The accounts of his hunts for fugitives were no less sensational, as Wiesenthal told how he engaged in a battle of wits against the sinister postwar Nazi networks and their sympathisers.

It was the ultimate feelgood story of revenge, and the world lapped it up.

TV programmes and movies were made, and soon Wiesenthal became a household name, a symbol for the triumph of hope over evil.

Those who thrilled at his life story can now do so once more, thanks to a new biography written by the Israeli historian Tom Segev.

The figure who emerges in the book is far more complex than one might expect.

Dr Segev shows that so much of Wiesenthal’s account of his life was the product of exaggeration and self-mythologising.

Appearing on Radio 4’s Today programme this week, the author said Wiesenthal was ‘a storyteller, a man who lived between reality and fantasy’.

He excused Wiesenthal’s inclination to fabricate stories about his past,saying it was his way of making it easier to deal with the real atrocities he had experienced in the concentration camps.

I’m sorry, but this compassionate approach simply does not wash with me. For the truth is that the great Nazi hunter is far, far worse than Dr Segev makes out.

In my view, Simon Wiesenthal was a liar and a fraud. In fact, I’d go so far as to say he was one of the biggest conmen of the 20th century.

I spent four years working on a history of Nazi-hunting that was published last year, and the material I gathered on Wiesenthal was enough to make me scream out loud.

When I started my book, I too believed that the great man was just that — great.

But when I looked at all his memoirs, biographies and original archive material, I realised that, like so many others, the image I had built up of Simon Wiesenthal was hopelessly incorrect.

There were too many distortions and inconsistencies, too many outright lies — none of which could be explained away by sympathetic psycho-babble offered by the likes of Dr Segev.

The fact is that Wiesenthal lied about nearly everything in his life.

Let us, for example, start at the beginning and look at his educational record.

If you visit the website of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, you’ll learn that he ‘applied for admission to the Polytechnic Institute in Lvov’, but was turned down ‘because of quota restrictions on Jewish students’.

The website then claims that he went to the Technical University of Prague, ‘from which he received his degree in architectural engineering in 1932’.

Other biographies — published during Wiesenthal’s lifetime — state that he did in fact go to Lvov, in either 1934 or 1935, and gained a diploma as an architectural engineer in 1939.

All of these accounts are rubbish.

The Lvov State Archives have no record of Simon Wiesenthal having studied at Lvov Technical University.

The archives have records for other students from that period, but not for Wiesenthal — and there were no quota restrictions on Jewish students at that time.

Neither did he graduate from Prague. Although he matriculated on February 21, 1929, Wiesenthal never completed his degree. He passed his first state examination on February 15, 1932, and then he left that same year.

Despite a lack of academic credentials, he would fraudulently use his supposed engineering diploma on his letter paper for the rest of his life.

During the war, Wiesenthal claimed to have spent years in and out of a succession of concentration camps.

Although he certainly spent time in camps such as Mauthausen, he also said he had been in Auschwitz — a claim for which there is no record.

Then there is his supposed career as a brave partisan. In two of his memoirs, he claims to have joined a group of partisans after escaping from a camp in October 1943.

According to an interview he gave the American army in 1948, he claimed he was immediately made a lieutenant ‘on the basis of my intellect’.

He was soon promoted to major, and he was instrumental in ‘building bunkers and fortification lines’.

‘We had fabulous bunker constructions,’ he said.

‘My rank was not so much as a strategic expert as a technical expert.’

One only needs a basic grasp of World War II military history to know that Wiesenthal’s claims are highly dubious.

Partisan groups do not build ‘ fabulous bunker constructions’, they instead rely on mobility to outwit the enemy.

As a Jew, it is also highly unlikely that he would have been made an officer in such a group, which was usually anti-semitic.

Wiesenthal would also give another account of his experience in the partisans, in which he joined a more ad hoc and smaller band — hardly one to build bunkers and fortifications or have a formalised promotion structure.

Since there exist at least four wildly differing accounts of Wiesenthal’s activities between October 1943 and the middle of 1944, serious questions about what he actually did should surely be raised.

Some of those who doubted his version of events — such as the lateformer Austrian Chancellor Bruno Kreisky — went so far as to accuse Wiesenthal repeatedly in the 1970s and the 1980s of being a collaborator with the Gestapo.

Kreisky’s claims were supported by unsubstantiated evidence provided by the Polish and Soviet governments, and when Wiesenthal took Kreisky to court, it was Wiesenthal who won.

Two affidavits made by former members of the German army also asserted that the Nazi hunter was a collaborator, but such claims must be treated with extreme caution.

Smearing Wiesenthal is a popular pastime for anti-Semites, Holocaust deniers, so-called ‘Revisionists’ and other such cranks.

But the multiplicity of conflicting accounts demands that questions about the authenticity of his story must be raised by those who, like me, have no agenda.

However, I have no compunction in stating that the biggest lie he spun was over his involvement in the hunt and eventual capture of Adolf Eichmann, a supposed coup with which he will always be associated — and quite unjustifiably.

According to the myth, Simon Wiesenthal star ted hunting Eichmann almost as soon as the war was over.

By the early 1950s, he had all but given up, until he had a supposedly chance meeting with an Austrian nobleman called Baron Mast in the late autumn of 1953.

Baron Mast showed Wiesenthal a letter he had received in May that year from a former army comrade now living in Argentina, in which the writer had come across the ‘pig Eichmann’, who was living in Buenos Aires and working nearby.

In his first published memoirs, I Hunted Eichmann, Wiesenthal recalls how he was terribly excited by the news, but realised that he was out of his depth.

A few months later, on March 30, 1954, Wiesenthal finally sent a dossier on Eichmann to the World Jewish Congress and the Israeli consul in Vienna, in which he shared the contents of the Baron’s letter and revealed that the criminal was working at the construction site of a power station 65 miles from Buenos Aires.

Unfortunately, Wiesenthal’s intelligence was useless. Not only was he unable to supply Eichmann’s alias — Riccardo Klement — but at the time of the Baron’s letter, Eichmann was in fact working more than 800 miles from Buenos Aires, and by March 1954 he was living in the Argentine capital trying to establish his own business.

However, there was worse to come.

In 1959, when the hunt for Eichmann was heating up, the Israeli intelligence service, Mossad, asked Wiesenthal if he had any more information on the criminal.

On September 23, he wrote to the Israelis and told them that he suspected Eichmann was in ‘northern Germany’ and that he ‘does visit Austria from time to time’.

Once again, he was supplying useless information.

From other sources, the Israelis had established that the fugitive was in fact in Buenos Aires, and the Wiesenthal lead was another dead end.

After Eichmann was kidnapped the following year by Mossad agents, Wiesenthal at least had the grace to deny that he ‘personally had something to do with Eichmann’s arrest’, and that he had deposited all his files in Jerusalem.

However, with the Israelis remaining tight-lipped about his involvement,he decided to fill the information vacuum and started placing himself right at the heart of the hunt.

He would write that although he said he had sent all his files to Israel, he had actually always kept the Eichmann file. This was completely untrue.

Perhaps Wiesenthal’s most shocking lie concerning the Eichmann affair was to claim that he told the Israelis in his letter of September 1959 that the Nazi was actually in Argentina.

As we have seen, he told them that Eichmann was likely to be in Germany — a minor difference of several thousand miles.

Curiously, Dr Segev has seen both the September 1959 letter and the later claim, yet he chooses to ignore the differences in his book.

The plain facts are that Wiesenthal lied about his degree, his wartime experiences and his ‘hunt’ for Adolf Eichmann.

Any man who utters so many untruths does not deserve to be revered. Although some excuse Wiesenthal’s ‘story-telling’, there are simply too many other lies to take him seriously.

Furthermore, by stating that Wiesenthal ‘lived between reality and fantasy’ to deal with his wartime experiences is an insult to all those Holocaust survivors who merely told the truth.

• Guy Walters is the author of Hunting Evil (Bantam)

Phoenix
11th September 2010, 01:13 AM
"Nazi hunters" are merely enforcing Jewish copyright. Hitler stole the Master Race concept from the Jews, and they take their intellectual property very seriously.

wildcard
11th September 2010, 10:33 AM
I propose the nazi hunters had to chase down the only men on the planet that knew the truth and could expose them.

goldmonkey
11th September 2010, 11:00 AM
Nazi-hunter Simon Wiesenthal's Mossad past (http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news/37549/nazi-hunter-simon-wiesenthals-mossad-past)

Revelations that Simon Wiesenthal once worked for Mossad suggest that Israel did more to catch war criminals than was previously believed, according to one of the late Nazi-hunter’s associates.

In a book released this week, Israeli historian Tom Segev claimed that in the 1960s Mr Wiesenthal gave the intelligence agency details of Nazis working on Egypt's rocket programme .

Mr Segev also alleged that in 1948 Mr Wiesenthal was involved in Mossad’s efforts to capture Adolf Eichmann.

Dr Efraim Zuroff, director of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre in Israel and author of the book Operation Last Chance, said the claims had come as a real shock.

He told the JC: “I have no reason to doubt it, but I thought I knew just about everything there was to know about him.

He added: “It doesn’t in any way change our perception of him or our understanding of his mission.

“But it does show that Israel made much more of effort to find and prosecute Nazi war criminals than we were aware of.”

Mr Wiesenthal, a Holocaust survivor who died in 2005, dedicated his life to pursuing Nazis and gathering evidence for the war crimes trials.

wildcard
11th September 2010, 11:09 AM
America's Idol - a Crook!

Power, Perjury and Murder
in Szymon Wizenthal's Footsteps

http://radioislam.org/historia/honsik/honsik.htm





Where is Elie's Tattoo?

http://www.eliewieseltattoo.com/

General of Darkness
11th September 2010, 11:12 AM
Just when you thought it was safe to go outside with your yarmuka. :ROFL:

Neuro
11th September 2010, 02:26 PM
:conf:

Smearing Wiesenthal is a popular pastime for anti-Semites, Holocaust deniers, so-called ‘Revisionists’ and other such cranks.
Hmmm.... Good article apart from this... Probably the writer is afraid to be prosecuted or stamped as an 'anti-semite', needs to put in he doesn't doubt anything else in the holocaust mythology, apart from it's greatest hero...

wildcard
11th September 2010, 02:36 PM
Of course it's only 90% truth. He threw in the usual 10% baloney to propagate the holohoax.

*they can simply pin all the inaccuracies on the weasel.

Neuro
11th September 2010, 03:06 PM
Of course it's only 90% truth. He threw in the usual 10% baloney to propagate the holohoax.

*they can simply pin all the inaccuracies on the weasel.
Yes that may very well be the objective!

Hatha Sunahara
11th September 2010, 06:05 PM
He wasn't really a Nazi Hunter. He was a storyteller. And some of his stories were about hunting Nazis. He's a modern day Baron von Munchousen. And the whole world fell for it. Wiesenthal is a model of what can be created from a tissue of lies and a population of sheep. Nobody looks into the lies. But he was good at it--storytelling that is. A 'Mythologist'. His myths seem to have outlived him--but not by much. He's still a great man for being able to fool so many people for so long--sorta like fooling all of the people all of the time.

I think instead of the Nobel prize, we should have a Greatest Liars award. I have a long list of people who would undoubtedly deserve this prize. Such an award would remind people to be less gullible.

Hatha

ShortJohnSilver
12th September 2010, 08:05 AM
He wasn't really a Nazi Hunter. He was a storyteller. And some of his stories were about hunting Nazis. He's a modern day Baron von Munchousen. And the whole world fell for it. Wiesenthal is a model of what can be created from a tissue of lies and a population of sheep. Nobody looks into the lies. But he was good at it--storytelling that is. A 'Mythologist'. His myths seem to have outlived him--but not by much. He's still a great man for being able to fool so many people for so long--sorta like fooling all of the people all of the time.




Jewish history is a phantasmic tale that is there to make the Jews happy and the Goyim behave themselves.

Gilad Atzmon, possibly a righteous anti-Zionist Jew: http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/truth-history-and-integrity-by-gilad-atzmon.html

Neuro
12th September 2010, 08:59 AM
I think instead of the Nobel prize, we should have a Greatest Liars award. I have a long list of people who would undoubtedly deserve this prize. Such an award would remind people to be less gullible.

Hatha

Actually that prize does exist, but it is called Nobel's Peace Prize...

Kissinger, Gorbachev, Arafat, Peres, Rabin, Gore, Carter, Obama, Wiesel, Begin, King ... Impressive liars all of them...

Hatha Sunahara
12th September 2010, 09:18 AM
I think instead of the Nobel prize, we should have a Greatest Liars award. I have a long list of people who would undoubtedly deserve this prize. Such an award would remind people to be less gullible.

Hatha

Actually that prize does exist, but it is called Nobel's Peace Prize...

Kissinger, Gorbachev, Arafat, Peres, Rabin, Gore, Carter, Obama, Wiesel, Begin, King ... Impressive liars all of them...


As long as it's called the Nobel Peace Prize, it doesn't call attention to the lying characters of its recipients. That prize tries to honor them. The closest thing to what I'm suggesting is the Darwin Awards, which honors fatal stupidity. Those recipients are all posthumous ones. I'm suggesting an award where the recipients get to live on in infamy. I would suggest calling such an award 'The Baron von Munchousen Prize', and it should be awarded annually. Not money, but just free publicity to reduce the egos a few notches and to generate lots of public ridicule for the recipients.

Hatha

Twisted Titan
12th September 2010, 09:31 AM
I heard the Diary of Anne Frank was a huge fiction and gross inconsistenices in it


I also heard something about Eistien never really discovering E=Mc2


any info on the above???

T

Gneisenau
12th September 2010, 12:25 PM
I heard the Diary of Anne Frank was a huge fiction and gross inconsistenices in it


I also heard something about Eistien never really discovering E=Mc2


any info on the above???

T


Hi Titan,

you will find information on Anne Frank here:

http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1802&hilit
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5051

Neuro
12th September 2010, 04:00 PM
I think instead of the Nobel prize, we should have a Greatest Liars award. I have a long list of people who would undoubtedly deserve this prize. Such an award would remind people to be less gullible.

Hatha

Actually that prize does exist, but it is called Nobel's Peace Prize...

Kissinger, Gorbachev, Arafat, Peres, Rabin, Gore, Carter, Obama, Wiesel, Begin, King ... Impressive liars all of them...


As long as it's called the Nobel Peace Prize, it doesn't call attention to the lying characters of its recipients. That prize tries to honor them. The closest thing to what I'm suggesting is the Darwin Awards, which honors fatal stupidity. Those recipients are all posthumous ones. I'm suggesting an award where the recipients get to live on in infamy. I would suggest calling such an award 'The Baron von Munchousen Prize', and it should be awarded annually. Not money, but just free publicity to reduce the egos a few notches and to generate lots of public ridicule for the recipients.

Hatha

I like your idea Hatha!

goldmonkey
12th September 2010, 05:05 PM
I also heard something about Einstein never really discovering E=Mc2

T


Not sure if it goes into E=Mc2:
http://www.jewishracism.com/SaintEinstein.htm

Twisted Titan
13th September 2010, 06:22 AM
I heard the Diary of Anne Frank was a huge fiction and gross inconsistenices in it


I also heard something about Eistien never really discovering E=Mc2


any info on the above???

T


Hi Titan,

you will find information on Anne Frank here:

http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1802&hilit
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5051





Boy is that a pricelles gem


It should be noted that Anne Frank died in Belsen of disease, she was not murdered. No one questions that she was deported.

for more see:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v15/v15n3p31_Weber.html
http://www.vho.org/i/s/H/Do.html

keehah
1st September 2011, 11:57 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Wiesenthal_Center

The Simon Wiesenthal Center (often abbreviated SWC), with headquarters in Los Angeles, California, was established in 1977 and named for Simon Wiesenthal, the Nazi hunter. According to its mission statement, it is "an international Jewish human rights organization dedicated to repairing the world one step at a time. The Center’s multifaceted mission generates changes through the Snider Social Action Institute and education by confronting antisemitism, hate and terrorism, promoting human rights and dignity, standing with Israel, defending the safety of Jews worldwide, and teaching the lessons of the Holocaust for future generations."

The Center is accredited as a non-governmental organization (NGO) at the United Nations, the UNESCO, and the Council of Europe.

The organization aims to foster tolerance and understanding through community involvement, educational outreach and social action. The Center closely interacts on an ongoing basis with a variety of public and private agencies, meeting with elected officials, the United States and foreign governments, diplomats and heads of state. Other issues that the Center deals with include: the prosecution of Nazi war criminals, fighting against ODESSA networks; Holocaust and tolerance education; Middle East Affairs; and extremist groups, neo-Nazism, and hate on the Internet.

An earlier article by Guy Waters (Juy 19, 2009): http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/book_extracts/article6718913.ece

http://whatreallyhappened.com/node/130679

There has been ample evidence all along that Simon Wiesenthal's published works are fictional. Here is just one example. In his "Memoirs"...

... Simon Wiesenthal included a drawing he claimed to have made of three Jewish prisoners being executed by the Nazis.

The image was iconic, and Simon Wiesenthal used it to great effect in his constant fundraising. But the drawing was not of something Simon Wiesenthal actually witnessed, but copied from page 50 of the June 11, 1945 issue of LIFE Magazine!

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wiesenthalfakes/SMALL_page50.jpg

Moreover, the men shot in the LIFE magazine that Simon Wiesenthal copied were not Jews, but captured German spies being executed.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wiesenthalfakes/life.jpg
The LIFE originals

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wiesenthalfakes/forgedinhurry8fi2.jpg
Wiesenthal's copy.