North Port code net snags another

[wildcard]

It's an old article and they've since put in a cap on the fines, but this was nuts.

Woman fined for leaving an unplated vehicle in her driveway:

Full story at link: $27,000

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20100120/article/1201014

North Port code net snags another

Published: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 at 1:00 a.m.

NORTH PORT - The used car was a blessing, a gift from her church to help Diane Pearson, a single mother with three children and a long commute to work. And after receiving the 1998 Mercury from her church, Pearson found her drive to Sarasota a bit less stressful.

But Pearson lives in North Port, a city that has targeted citizens for violating rules regulating everything from how often you mow your grass to the cars in your driveway.

North Port took Pearson to court this month over fines of more than $27,000 for keeping her old car in the driveway without a license plate. If the city wins its case, Pearson could be facing bankruptcy.

"It's been a nightmare," said Pearson, 49, who works two jobs to stay afloat as she raises three teenagers.

Pearson is one of dozens of North Port residents caught in the city's crackdown on code violations. Officials promised to ease up last year, following complaints that the get-tough approach was too heavy-handed in a community slammed by the recession.

But North Port has been anything but soft on Pearson and others. It recently sought to foreclose on one homeowner for unpaid fines. And it has many more court cases scheduled besides Pearson's. Almost 30 new code cases -- those reaching $15,000 in fines -- had been forwarded to North Port's lawyers as of November.

More could follow as daily fines of up to $250 accrue against homeowners who fail to show up to hearings or responded to North Port's citations. There is no cap on the amount the city can fine; according to the city, one property owner owes $183,000 in fines for a house that went into foreclosure in 2007.

...continues at link above

[wildcard]

At the link there are a lot of related stories that are very interesting. People that were tying them up in civil court and fighting and how they finally pressured them to put a cap on the fines.

[Joe King]

While I feel bad for this lady and her situation, she's at least partly if not mostly to blame.

Does she have to have it spelled out to her? When I clicked on the link and saw the pic, the first thing I thought was, shoulda put the car in the garage, lady.

Then I read the article where she says that the city never told her putting the car in her garage would have solved the problem. Well duh! Hello!
Did she actually think they'd come look in her closed garage for untagged cars? ::)


She also could have probably just bought a car cover for it too and just left it in the driveway covered up
i.e. if they can't see it, how can they tell if it has a tag or not?

Sometimes people are their own worst enemies.

[wildcard]

And the government is waiting and watching.

[Book]

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There goes the neighborhood.

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[dysgenic]

You are blaming the person being extorted instead of the criminals doing the extorting. The woman had every legal right to leave her car where she damn well pleased.

dys




While I feel bad for this lady and her situation, she's at least partly if not mostly to blame.

Does she have to have it spelled out to her? When I clicked on the link and saw the pic, the first thing I thought was, shoulda put the car in the garage, lady.

Then I read the article where she says that the city never told her putting the car in her garage would have solved the problem. Well duh! Hello!
Did she actually think they'd come look in her closed garage for untagged cars? ::)


She also could have probably just bought a car cover for it too and just left it in the driveway covered up
i.e. if they can't see it, how can they tell if it has a tag or not?

Sometimes people are their own worst enemies.

[Book]

http://www.sonofthewaves.net/familyblog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/1440toilet_redneck.jpg

Sovereign Citizen yapping about his freedoms and rights...lol.

:D

[wildcard]

Book, you bored there's nobody to fight with?

[Ares]

Book, you bored there's nobody to fight with?


Yeah he probably is, because anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together would be able to tell you that "Sovereign Citizen" is an oxymoron.

Book - You CANNOT be both a sovereign and yet a citizen.

Sovereign means you are not a subject, citizen means you are a subject.

[wildcard]

Maybe he was elected HOA president. :P

[Ares]

Maybe he was elected HOA president. :P


Anyone that can go out and drop a duce on their front porch while talking on the phone deserves a vote... LOL

[Joe King]

You are blaming the person being extorted instead of the criminals doing the extorting. The woman had every legal right to leave her car where she damn well pleased.

dys




While I feel bad for this lady and her situation, she's at least partly if not mostly to blame.

Does she have to have it spelled out to her? When I clicked on the link and saw the pic, the first thing I thought was, shoulda put the car in the garage, lady.

Then I read the article where she says that the city never told her putting the car in her garage would have solved the problem. Well duh! Hello!
Did she actually think they'd come look in her closed garage for untagged cars? ::)


She also could have probably just bought a car cover for it too and just left it in the driveway covered up
i.e. if they can't see it, how can they tell if it has a tag or not?

Sometimes people are their own worst enemies.


I'm merely pointing out that she was her own worst enemy in this situation.

If there's an ordinance then either comply, or lobby gov to get it changed. She did neither.

And did she really need to be told by the city that parking the car in the garage would have fixed the problem before there was an actual problem?

The lady just wasn't too smart in her response to the City and now wants to deny any responsibility for the mess she finds herself in.

[wildcard]

The lady just wasn't too smart in her response to the City and now wants to deny any responsibility for the mess she finds herself in.

Isn't this the same bullshit the IRS uses against us? Ignorance is no excuse? How many books of code are there? How many pages?

What is the purpose of the government again?

[SHTF2010]

what goes around comes around


maybe in the future there'll be " NWO-lackey " fines

[Spectrism]

The game is to destroy contracts, private property, liberty, sovereignty, natural law.

[Joe King]

The lady just wasn't too smart in her response to the City and now wants to deny any responsibility for the mess she finds herself in.

Isn't this the same bullsh*t the IRS uses against us? Ignorance is no excuse? How many books of code are there? How many pages?

What is the purpose of the government again?


How hard is it to realize that putting the car in the garage would have caused the problem to go away? The ordinance doesn't state where you can park a broken down car, but rather where you can't park it. Like in a driveway visible from the street.
i.e. they're just trying to avoid the type of things that Book posted pictures of.

Even she realizes that now, and by her own comments would have willingly put it in the garage from the very beginning. {first warning letter}
If she had taken proper action at that time to remedy the situation there never would have been a fine.

Instead, she chose to ignore it and by doing so escalated the problem.

Most cities have ordinances against keeping broken down, inoperable, unregistered vehicles in the front driveway. It doesn't say you can't keep them in your garage though.
Just not in the driveway.


Look, I fully realize that there are folks out there truly getting the shaft from city hall, but this lady certainly is not one of them. Sorry.
The best they should do is to reduce the fine by the number of days that the car wasn't actually there. Other than that, she doesn't have a leg to stand on.

[Book]

...The lady just wasn't too smart in her response to the City and now wants to deny any responsibility for the mess she finds herself in.

...they're just trying to avoid the type of things that Book posted pictures of.



http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=SH&Date=20100120&Category=ARTICLE&ArtNo=1201014&Ref=AR

Single mother with three children. Their lawn is brown and their concrete is dirty but the daughters' eyeshadow looks perfect.

:D

[Spectrism]

...The lady just wasn't too smart in her response to the City and now wants to deny any responsibility for the mess she finds herself in.

...they're just trying to avoid the type of things that Book posted pictures of.



http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=SH&Date=20100120&Category=ARTICLE&ArtNo=1201014&Ref=AR

Single mother with three children. Their lawn is brown and their concrete is dirty but the daughters' eyeshadow looks perfect.

:D


You should see my driveway.... weeds growing up through cracks (they remind me of green shoots economy).

You seem to believe that people have no private property rights. The way I see it, if someone wants to let their grass die... or overgrow..... that is their business.

This neighborhood appearance thing is going to be going away faster than a train over a cliff. The people who are hurt the most will be hurt further. Insults on top of rape. This is not the land of liberty.

[Book]

The way I see it, if someone wants to let their grass die... or overgrow..... that is their business.



http://www.stereogum.com/img/whitetrashbritney_thumb.jpg

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http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/climbingbear/WhiteTrash.png

Like I said: There goes the neighborhood!

:D

[Joe King]

The dead lawn isn't the issue here.
Keeping broken down inoperable junkers in your front driveway, is.

[mightymanx]

It's simple you are either in favor of property rights or you are not.

[Joe King]

It's simple you are either in favor of property rights or you are not.


I am. But when you choose to live in a particular community you also choose to live by the established rules of that community.

This is akin to someone buying a house where there's an HOA and then complaining about it and saying it's not "fair" when they find that it applies to them, too.

[Book]

The dead lawn isn't the issue here. Keeping broken down inoperable junkers in your front driveway, is.



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http://homeandgardenchat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/beautiful-garden-green-house.jpg

You can tell a lot about a person by how they maintain their home. Guess who is the renter...lol.

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[wildcard]

I'm sure there are plenty of jews with manicured lawns. So book do you support them over white trash? Do you support the government over the people? :P

*I think you are worried about keeping your property values up! If you can't beat them, join them? Did you go bankster on us Book?

**its more of that rosy glasses brigade bullshit. Oh paint the lawn green with chemicals and hide your old car and THEN the world will be a better place. :oo-->

[dysgenic]

She isn't getting the shaft? That's LOL. Question-What authority does that state have to fine her for what she does on her own property? It's the STATE that doesn't have a leg to stand on. It irks me when those that claims that they support private property ownership simultaneously presume to control what people do with their property... and support enforcing their standards by force.

dys







The lady just wasn't too smart in her response to the City and now wants to deny any responsibility for the mess she finds herself in.

Isn't this the same bullsh*t the IRS uses against us? Ignorance is no excuse? How many books of code are there? How many pages?

What is the purpose of the government again?


How hard is it to realize that putting the car in the garage would have caused the problem to go away? The ordinance doesn't state where you can park a broken down car, but rather where you can't park it. Like in a driveway visible from the street.
i.e. they're just trying to avoid the type of things that Book posted pictures of.

Even she realizes that now, and by her own comments would have willingly put it in the garage from the very beginning. {first warning letter}
If she had taken proper action at that time to remedy the situation there never would have been a fine.

Instead, she chose to ignore it and by doing so escalated the problem.

Most cities have ordinances against keeping broken down, inoperable, unregistered vehicles in the front driveway. It doesn't say you can't keep them in your garage though.
Just not in the driveway.


Look, I fully realize that there are folks out there truly getting the shaft from city hall, but this lady certainly is not one of them. Sorry.
The best they should do is to reduce the fine by the number of days that the car wasn't actually there. Other than that, she doesn't have a leg to stand on.

[Joe King]

The only way she got the shaft was via her own ignorance.

The power to regulate broken down cars in driveways eminates from the people of the town {including her} through their duly appointed represenatives. {city council} They are voted into office, correct?


Do you live in a city or town? Do they also have similar laws? If so, what are you doing to have them overturned?

[wildcard]

Do you think $27,000.00 is a reasonable fine for having a car parked in your driveway?

[Joe King]

Do you think $27,000.00 is a reasonable fine for having a car parked in your driveway?
No. But do think it's ok to ignore letters from the City?

Which she obviously did. Because at $50 a day, that's a lot of ignoring on her part. {almost 18 months worth}

Would you have let it go that long so as to add up to $27,000? She got the original notice to move it in Dec 2006 and wasn't fined anything for three months. What was she doing during that time?

What she did was nothing, which after a certain amount of time passed resulted in daily fines.

You guys are tryin' to make it sound like the city swooped in on her without warning and levied a $27,000 fine right off the bat.

[wildcard]

I'm not saying the woman was a genius. I'm just saying, this whole episode shows how the government is out of control on all levels. If they have power over her driveway, why didn't they come and tow it?

*this was a moneymaking scam pure and simple.

[Book]

Do you think $27,000.00 is a reasonable fine for having a car parked in your driveway?


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http://www.kitfoster.com/images/2007-7-19_OldsmarNissanWeb-Large.jpg

She lowered her neighbor's property values by at least $27k.

:D

[wildcard]

Then why didn't they come over and offer to help her out? :P

A little Christian charity would have helped more than the hand of government.

[Book]

A little Christian charity would have helped more than the hand of government.



That's what started this mess in the first place:


NORTH PORT - The used car was a blessing, a gift from her church to help Diane Pearson, a single mother with three children and a long commute to work. And after receiving the 1998 Mercury from her church, Pearson found her drive to Sarasota a bit less stressful.

:D

[wildcard]

Haha, well you got me there. Those meddling Christians are to blame.

[Book]

So book do you support them over white trash?...Do you support the government over the people?...Did you go bankster on us Book?



Time to thin the goyim herd.

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[wildcard]

See what happens when you try to motivate your kids to exercise these days? Yeah, we're doomed.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-bb-gun-child-abuse-lake-20100913,0,6931811.story

Man accused of using BB gun to force teenager to exercise

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Robert Barker, 41, of Lake County was charged with child abuse after allegedly using a BB gun to force a teenager to perform sprints in the hot sun.

[SHTF2010]

Do you think $27,000.00 is a reasonable fine for having a car parked in your driveway?
No . But do think it's ok to ignore letters from the City?

Which she obviously did. Because at $50 a day, that's a lot of ignoring on her part. {almost 18 months worth}

Would you have let it go that long so as to add up to $27,000? She got the original notice to move it in Dec 2006 and wasn't fined anything for three months. What was she doing during that time?



could this be compared to the Canadian soverign thread
if one responds to this original notice from the city, the person legitimizes the city's position ?

[zap]

Man accused of using BB gun to force teenager to exercise.

What a retard.

[Spectrism]

Some of you have not seen the hard side of life yet. I feel for people who cannot afford to fix a roof, paint the siding, or get a new car. Something you high and mighty neatnicks should be thinking about is what happens to the millions of properties over the next 3 years when people cannot even buy food or basic utilities? Instead of worrying about who is not cutting their grass, the concern will be who is breaking into my house to kill me for my food?

And yet, you think it is fine for a government agency to fine enormous amounts- those people who can least afford the fines??? Now that's a fine example of not reading the fine print on this fine forum.

[mightymanx]

It all falls under the "ignorance of the law is no excuse", crapola even when there are billions of pages of those laws. Great plan; it allows the ability of selective enforcement so those in power can grant people favors. " it's ok this time Frank you helped me out on my campaign."

One more article of proof that we are well on our way to removeing all pretence of operating under rule of law. Just like people passing the mantra that we live in a Representative Democracy AKA mob rule vice a republic.


Like I have said before Atlas Shrugged, Brave New World, and 1984 were not intended to be "how to" manuals.

All is going according to plan.

[Joe King]

could this be compared to the Canadian soverign thread
if one responds to this original notice from the city, the person legitimizes the city's position ?


No, it can't be compared.
First because she's not claiming Sovereignty. Just ignorance.

Second, the guy in the video at Court actually responded.
i.e. he did not ignore them, but rather took action to try to correct them.

Keep in mind that she had to have ignored them for at least a year and a half to have the daily fines add up to $27,000
What exactly did she think was going to happen by waiting so long? That they'd just forget about it, or what?

The only thing that should be done is to have the fine reduced to reflect only the days that the car was actually there.
i.e. she needs to have witnesses to swear under oath that after such a date she was in compliance and then challenge the City on the amount in Court.

[Joe King]

It all falls under the "ignorance of the law is no excuse", crapola even when there are billions of pages of those laws. Great plan; it allows the ability of selective enforcement so those in power can grant people favors. " it's ok this time Frank you helped me out on my campaign."

One more article of proof that we are well on our way to removing all pretence of operating under rule of law. Just like people passing the mantra that we live in a Representative Democracy AKA mob rule vice a republic.


Like I have said before Atlas Shrugged, Brave New World, and 1984 were not intended to be "how to" manuals.

All is going according to plan.

I'll agree that there are too many laws, but only reason we have laws regulating things like not letting your yard be full of 2 foot weeds is because people haven't proved to be smart enough to keep their yards mowed on their own without the nanny-state having to remind them about it.

Also, I'd be willing to bet that the original letter most likely contained the pertinent text of the ordinance in question.
But if it didn't, most city ordinances are pretty easy to look up in order to see what they say. However that also takes effort. Something most people feel they shouldn't have to put forth when it comes to things "legal".


I find it ironic that the position taken by many in this thread supports the view of us being Sovereigns. So why is it that as soon as anyone posts a thread saying that, it's jumped all over and accused of being BS.
You can't have it both ways.
Either you're Sovereign or you're subject. Pick one and then act accordingly.

[dysgenic]

The electoral process does not confer our elected officials the authority to abrogate rights, and it certainly does not grant them carte blanche to extort from the people that they supposedly represent. It doesn't matter if the majority have the gall to assume a say in what other people do with what is theirs. That type of thinking is known as the tyranny of the majority... it's what you are arguing for. Why should this woman have to pay any fine at all? Please don't say 'that's the law', or 'rules are rules'. That ISN'T the law, because when it comes to issues in which the alleged victim failed to suffer a net tangible loss, the court lacks standing to rule on controversy.
BTW, if I wasn't cognizant of the true gangster nature of our government and I received letters from the town asking me to move something out of my own driveway, I'd ignore them, too. It's outrageous that anyone or any group would presume to tell me what to do with my own property; so outrageous in fact that I would regard such letters as a joke or a phishing expedition.
Do you presume to tell other people what they can and can't do with their private property?

dys




The only way she got the shaft was via her own ignorance.

The power to regulate broken down cars in driveways eminates from the people of the town {including her} through their duly appointed represenatives. {city council} They are voted into office, correct?


Do you live in a city or town? Do they also have similar laws? If so, what are you doing to have them overturned?

[mightymanx]

I don't believe in any of those HOA style crap rules. Nor do I live in a place where they have them and I would fight to prevent them from ever happining.

If it is your property it is yours, the concept of property taxes and HOA style rules pisses me off to no end. I am looking to move even further out to keep the HOA "property value" retards away. I despise that concept so much that I am looking to buy buffer land. :o

We are going to have to disagree The whole pretence of those laws makes me want to vomit so you will not get any support from me against her.

[Book]

Some of you have not seen the hard side of life yet.



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Yeah..."life is hard" is a good enough excuse to not mow our lawn or wash our car or launder our clothes or brush our teeth...lol.

:D

[mightymanx]

Well lookie here:

Discussions on property values brings out Neocons just like mentioning Islam.

[VX1]

I took in a dog that needed a home. I did the responsible thing, and brought him to the vet and paid for a major checkup, neutering, and a rabies shot. I eventually get a letter from the city to extort $35 from me for a yearly rabies “license”. A license to feed a dog that will never leave my property. Their letter is being ignored with extreme prejudice. This tax is wrong, and I won’t play along. Seems some pseudo-libertarians here would think it’s perfectly acceptable for me to lose my house one day for this small act of defiance.

[Book]

I don't believe in any of those HOA style crap rules.



http://diaryofasmartchick.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/spring-cleaning-tips.bmp

Yeah...if mom never made us clean our room the neighbors shouldn't either.

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[Joe King]

I don't believe in any of those HOA style crap rules. Nor do I live in a place where they have them and I would fight to prevent them from ever happining.

If it is your property it is yours, the concept of property taxes and HOA style rules pisses me off to no end. I am looking to move even further out to keep the HOA "property value" retards away. I despise that concept so much that I am looking to buy buffer land. :o

We are going to have to disagree The whole pretence of those laws makes me want to vomit so you will not get any support from me against her.
Actually I agree with what you're saying, but when you willingly choose to live in a particular place you could find yourself subject to certain things. Like an HOA for example. Don't want the HOA? Fine. Go buy a house somewhere else that doesn't have an HOA.

Same with city ordinances. If you don't like a particular towns laws, don't live there. Or if you do, work to get the law changed.
But whatever you do, don't ignore it.

[mightymanx]

I don't believe in any of those HOA style crap rules.



http://diaryofasmartchick.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/spring-cleaning-tips.bmp

Yeah...if mom never made us clean our room the neighbors shouldn't either.

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I am sorry you chose to go above and beyond in seeking slavery.

Enjoy your beige or other HOA approved color slave chains and your prefect badge. Don't forget to tell us how much your home "value" has risen in the last 5 years or so.

[Book]

http://www.whitetrashnation.net/dev/design/images/whitetrash-header.jpg

Y'all take care and enjoy your new neighborhood!

;D

[Joe King]

I took in a dog that needed a home. I did the responsible thing, and brought him to the vet and paid for a major checkup, neutering, and a rabies shot. I eventually get a letter from the city to extort $35 from me for a yearly rabies “license”. A license to feed a dog that will never leave my property. Their letter is being ignored with extreme prejudice. This tax is wrong, and I won’t play along. Seems some pseudo-libertarians here would think it’s perfectly acceptable for me to lose my house one day for this small act of defiance.
First, I do not advocate you losing your house over a $35 dog license.
Second, I don't agree with dog licensing either. But those are the rulez you are having to play with.


Can they see your dog from the street? If not you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

Just keep it inside and/or in the backyard.

But I would use a vet in another town because that's probably how they knew. The vet sent them a list of people from your town who've gotten shots for their dog{s} recently.

Also, make sure your dog doesn't bother the neighbors by barking late at night, or you might get someone complaining and thereby directing the citys attention to you.