"Nazis" and National Socialists

[Phoenix]

"Nazis" vs. National Socialists (1996)

What is a "Nazi?"

That's a good question. There's a lot of wisdom in the maxim, "What is a 'Nazi?' It's someone who is winning an argument with a 'liberal'."

Essentially, the term has no definitive meaning. It's a plastic cliche of no factual substance, applied to an opponent to divert discussion and debate into the emotional, impulsive arena, out of the realm of rational, meaningful dialogue.

"Nazi" is a pejorative invented by the opposition of the German National Socialists. It was never used by Hitler or any other National
Socialist statesman. It is no more legitimate and accurate to use "Nazi" to describe a National Socialist, than it is to use "Christ killer" to
accurately describe a Jew, or to use "rag head" to accurately describe an East Indian.

The illiberal "liberals" vocally decry dehumanization and objectification of human beings, but it is they who most often fail to practice
what they preach.

The illiberal "liberals" prefer to deal with caricatures, rather than people, for caricatures are easier to confront. Caricatures don't need to be debated.

The illiberal "liberals" refrain from substantive discussion with those they objectify mainly for two reasons: fear and sloth. They fear that
cherished leftist concepts and myths will be debunked via genuine debate. Since most "liberals" lack self-discipline (an earthly extension of their philosophy), sustained substantive debate is a pursuit they'd rather not engage in, regardless of the stakes -- it's just too much work. Dishonest, distorted caricatures generated by Hollywood serve to shield the illiberal "liberal" from the need to construct an intelligent argument based on factual data.

The illiberal "liberal" would like to pretend that "Nazis" deserve special abuse. We all know they're BAD, and we don't need to consider their arguments or their humanity....

But never mind the fact that the illiberal "liberal" reviles the use of the term "Commie" applied to a Marxist -- even though communists, and not "Nazis," are responsible for the greatest mass murders of history. Don't mind the fact the illiberal "liberal" would never even think of using the racial epithet "vicious niqqers" to describe Black Africans who perform clitorectomy on little girls and enslave their neighbors even today. Never mind that the illiberal "liberal" is incensed when the term "Jap" is used to describe the originators of the Bataan Death March.

When I am asked, "are you a Nazi?," I will continue to say "no," and it will be an earnest reply.

However, if I am asked, "are you a National Socialist?," the answer must be, because I believe in the body of philosophy which endeavors to apply all the immutable laws of the natural Order to human affairs and promotes a truly progressive social order: "yes."

If asked, "are you a racist?," the answer must be, because I recognize the unique qualities, shortcomings, and needs of each human race, and incorporate these realities into my world-view: "yes."

If asked, "do you admire Adolf Hitler?," the answer must be, because I acknowledge the triumphs and struggles of the most notable figure of the 20th Century, the greatest German statesman, who, in the Rousseauian tradition, represented the Will of his People, and directed the miraculous transformation of a broken society into the most progressive and advanced Nation of its time: "yes!"

[Fortyone]

National Socialists in the US will never have any credibility as long as they imitate 1940s Germans in public. That is a cold hard fact.Most of the groups fly Swastika flags and 90% of the rhetoric is racial. People dont want to hear this.People want to hear "This is how you fix the economy" or "This is why we are in this situation,and what can be done about it" People dont want to hear blame.NS spokesmen should be articulate, well dressed speakers , not in some old replica SA uniform .Trust must be cultivated and proven, and no matter what you or I say to the contrary,US citizens do not trust anything that resembles WWII Germany.Many White separatists that are Slavic or Celtic do not trust the Swastika wavers either,as they fear that a German dominated party alienates them. Any US NS party needs to drop the old school look and rhetoric and come up with something fresh, that promotes economic and social reforms,not just blame everything.The public image of a NS party should be unique,and American,not foreign. that being said, I also am a National Socialist .

[Fortyone]

To enter the political system, NS members should do these things.

1. enter as an Independent candidate

2.focus on economics, funnel the anger towards the banking institutions,dont bring up "jews" ,most people dont know anything about them.People know about banks ,and will find about Jews when they look into the banks on their own.

3.do not mention Hitler, but use his ideas.

4,do not allow skinhead types to be involved, only well groomed,and dressed people should be allowed to be spokesmen

5. start small at a local level, like county, in a rural state, like Kansas.PROVE your economic planning will work .

these would be first steps,but would lay a path to further political acceptance.

[Joe King]

To enter the political system, NS members should do these things.

1. enter as an Independent candidate

2.focus on economics, funnel the anger towards the banking institutions,dont bring up "jews" ,most people dont know anything about them.People know about banks ,and will find about Jews when they look into the banks on their own.

3.do not mention Hitler, but use his ideas.

4,do not allow skinhead types to be involved, only well groomed,and dressed people should be allowed to be spokesmen

5. start small at a local level, like county, in a rural state, like Kansas.PROVE your economic planning will work .

these would be first steps,but would lay a path to further political acceptance.
Isn't #3 kinda being dishonest?
Isn't that how the zionists you complain about do their thing too? Via subterfuge?

[philo beddoe]

To enter the political system, NS members should do these things.

1. enter as an Independent candidate

2.focus on economics, funnel the anger towards the banking institutions,dont bring up "jews" ,most people dont know anything about them.People know about banks ,and will find about Jews when they look into the banks on their own.

3.do not mention Hitler, but use his ideas.

4,do not allow skinhead types to be involved, only well groomed,and dressed people should be allowed to be spokesmen

5. start small at a local level, like county, in a rural state, like Kansas.PROVE your economic planning will work .

these would be first steps,but would lay a path to further political acceptance.
Isn't #3 kinda being dishonest?
Isn't that how the zionists you complain about do their thing too? Via subterfuge?
Aren't you kinda dishonest, pretending you are a good ol boy, when you work for the SPLC?

[Book]

4,do not allow skinhead types to be involved, only well groomed,and dressed people should be allowed to be spokesmen



http://www.dispatch.com/wwwexportcontent/sites/dispatch/images/jul/waywor13_TMD3.jpg_07-06-07_B3_KV75EK4.jpg

http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/mormon-missionaries.jpg

http://www.tampabay.com/multimedia/archive/00031/b4s_churches072308a_31577c.jpg

Yeah...become Mormon and sell Mitt Romney.

:oo-->

[Joe King]

To enter the political system, NS members should do these things.

1. enter as an Independent candidate

2.focus on economics, funnel the anger towards the banking institutions,dont bring up "jews" ,most people dont know anything about them.People know about banks ,and will find about Jews when they look into the banks on their own.

3.do not mention Hitler, but use his ideas.

4,do not allow skinhead types to be involved, only well groomed,and dressed people should be allowed to be spokesmen

5. start small at a local level, like county, in a rural state, like Kansas.PROVE your economic planning will work .

these would be first steps,but would lay a path to further political acceptance.
Isn't #3 kinda being dishonest?
Isn't that how the zionists you complain about do their thing too? Via subterfuge?
Aren't you kinda dishonest, pretending you are a good ol boy, when you work for the SPLC?


Your constant and lame accusations towards anyone who disagrees with you is a bit pathetic and doesn't help your "cause" very much. lol

[horseshoe3]

Why do Mormons have a fetish for short sleeves and a tie? Don't they know anything about proper attire? If you are going to wear a tie, you MUST ALSO wear long sleeves. I'm just a dumb farmer from the middle of nowhere and even I know that. I could see if the occasional Mormon dressed that way - he might not know any better. But they all do it. It's like a uniform or something.

[zap]

Why do Mormons have a fetish for short sleeves and a tie? Don't they know anything about proper attire? If you are going to wear a tie, you MUST ALSO wear long sleeves. I'm just a dumb farmer from the middle of nowhere and even I know that. I could see if the occasional Mormon dressed that way - he might not know any better. But they all do it. It's like a uniform or something.



Or they could put a jacket/or sport coat on and get rid of the backpacks, ;D

[Joe King]

Why do Mormons have a fetish for short sleeves and a tie? Don't they know anything about proper attire? If you are going to wear a tie, you MUST ALSO wear long sleeves. I'm just a dumb farmer from the middle of nowhere and even I know that. I could see if the occasional Mormon dressed that way - he might not know any better. But they all do it. It's like a uniform or something.



Or they could put a jacket/or sport coat on and get rid of the backpacks, ;D
They don't all wear short sleeves, and a sport coat wouldn't be real good for riding a bike in.
At least they've got the right attitude when it comes to getting around via transportation that starves the Beast.

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[Phoenix]

National Socialists in the US will never have any credibility as long as they imitate 1940s Germans in public. That is a cold hard fact.


Anyone who wears an SA uniform or parades around in public with a Swastika flag is a Hollywood Nazi, and would be a prime candidate for incarceration in Dachau had they lived in the Third Reich.

[Fortyone]

To enter the political system, NS members should do these things.

1. enter as an Independent candidate

2.focus on economics, funnel the anger towards the banking institutions,dont bring up "jews" ,most people dont know anything about them.People know about banks ,and will find about Jews when they look into the banks on their own.

3.do not mention Hitler, but use his ideas.

4,do not allow skinhead types to be involved, only well groomed,and dressed people should be allowed to be spokesmen

5. start small at a local level, like county, in a rural state, like Kansas.PROVE your economic planning will work .

these would be first steps,but would lay a path to further political acceptance.
Isn't #3 kinda being dishonest?
Isn't that how the zionists you complain about do their thing too? Via subterfuge?
Aren't you kinda dishonest, pretending you are a good ol boy, when you work for the SPLC?


Your constant and lame accusations towards anyone who disagrees with you is a bit pathetic and doesn't help your "cause" very much. lol



Well Joe, ill answer, Just to let you know , I may make some early posts,but i leave for work and cant respond until later, so Im not dodging you so you know. Anyway back to the Subject. Its not being dishonest at all, Im saying dont spout off with the Hitler worship,BIG turn off to most people,, then they wont listen, Im not saying to lie like a Jew or Muslim at all. Dont hide the fact you are a National Socialist or Fascist, that is being dishonest. Most people now recognize that some sort of Communist takeover is in progress, They will listen to your points concerning economic reform based on NS.Im going to post a new thread later tonight with points concerning this,so I dont derail Phoenix's thread here.

[goldmonkey]

Any recommended resources where I can learn more about NS?

The only places I've found:

towards the bottom @ JR books (http://www.jrbooksonline.com/Voice%20of%20Destruction.htm)

scriptorium (http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archivesindex.html)

[Fortyone]

Any recommended resources where I can learn more about NS?

The only places I've found:

towards the bottom @ JR books (http://www.jrbooksonline.com/Voice%20of%20Destruction.htm)

scriptorium (http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archivesindex.html)


I think Ill begin here anyway, And If there is enough interest, ill form a thread. (Sorry Fred)
Firstly,Forget everything youve learned about Hitler's Germany, It no longer applies and here is why. Germany,up to that point had always had a Singular head of Govt. a Kaiser and with a brief period inter war, the Weimar Republic, which was a failure. So The Germans were used to strong leadership.The Military was also pivotal in the German culture. Germans also had freedom to do business,have a family ,live where they liked,choose their line of work, and a reasonable freedom of speech.Any US National Socialist party,does NOT need a Stormtrooper unit,nor any uniforms, they need,as Ive mentioned, clean cut,articulate,well dressed,confident speakers. These speakers need to speak about Economics,family and country.
National Socialists are concerned with the people their country, Not one 5000 miles away.Hence the name "National".They need to offer real solutions to problems in the Economy, Banking institutions, foreign aid,and affirmative action.This will get them into local office. This must be done before any national candidates can be run,Nationl Socialism is the working of citizens and government for the common good,without barriers of class,and party lines, a unifier.Unlike communism, It only concerns itself with the Nation.No stock market, No labor Unions disrupting commerce.I will continue and lay out a plan for success if there is much interest.

[iOWNme]

I'll step in and say it....

NATIONAL SOCIALISM SUCKS!!!!!


There are ONLY 2 forms of Government man can live under:

-Competitive Capitalistic Republic
-Monopolistic Capitalistic Oligarchy

There arent any others. ALL forms of Government, including the Communist, are Capitalistic. The only difference is who owns/controls the capital. (Means of production)

National Socialism is a Monopolistic (Government Monopoly of Industry) Capitalistic (means of production) Oligarchy (Ruled by few). Setting aside all the Jew bashing, all the Nationalism etc, we are still left with a Government who monopolizes ALL industries, puts the individual means of production in the hands of the collective, and dispenses its 'Law' from the minds of a few select men via royalty, wealth, family ties, or military control.

A Competitive (NO Government intervention in ANY market) Capitalistic (means of production) Republic (Rule of Law) is the ONLY form of Government that protects PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS. (Your Labor and earnings are PROPERTY owned by the individual.) A Republic can only exist where competitive capitalism is the economic choice.

Yet, the Communist ALWAYS use Socialism as their preferred means of overtaking a Civilized Nation. They use the crude means of Communism to overthrow 3rd world countries via riots, rebellion, anarchy, etc. But dont let them fool you, for both arms are MARXIST.

Not to mention a Central Bank. Satans idea of Banking in a Socialistic society.

Phoenix - Commence to Crapitalism bashing now..... :)

[palani]

Phoenix - Commence to Crapitalism bashing now..... :)


Alas and alack, poor Yorick appears to have fallen on his sword, by virtue of excess enthusiasm.

[Fortyone]

I'll step in and say it....

NATIONAL SOCIALISM SUCKS!!!!!


There are ONLY 2 forms of Government man can live under:

-Competitive Capitalistic Republic
-Monopolistic Capitalistic Oligarchy

There arent any others. ALL forms of Government, including the Communist, are Capitalistic. The only difference is who owns/controls the capital. (Means of production)

National Socialism is a Monopolistic (Government Monopoly of Industry) Capitalistic (means of production) Oligarchy (Ruled by few). Setting aside all the Jew bashing, all the Nationalism etc, we are still left with a Government who monopolizes ALL industries, puts the individual means of production in the hands of the collective, and dispenses its 'Law' from the minds of a few select men via royalty, wealth, family ties, or military control.

A Competitive (NO Government intervention in ANY market) Capitalistic (means of production) Republic (Rule of Law) is the ONLY form of Government that protects PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS. (Your Labor and earnings are PROPERTY owned by the individual.) A Republic can only exist where competitive capitalism is the economic choice.

Yet, the Communist ALWAYS use Socialism as their preferred means of overtaking a Civilized Nation. They use the crude means of Communism to overthrow 3rd world countries via riots, rebellion, anarchy, etc. But dont let them fool you, for both arms are MARXIST.

Not to mention a Central Bank. Satans idea of Banking in a Socialistic society.

Phoenix - Commence to Crapitalism bashing now..... :)


Oh yes a productionless group of thieves trading stocks back and forth controling the wealth of the people is so much better...... :oo-->

[General of Darkness]

I'm definitely NOT a racist, but I am a WHITE NATIONALIST. I work as much as I can for the benefit of white people, because no one else is.

[Gaillo]

I'm definitely NOT a racist, but I am a WHITE NATIONALIST. I work as much as I can for the benefit of white people, because no one else is.


I'm more of a "When individual rights are protected, ALL rights are protected" type, and as such I completely detest all forms of "socialism", "communism", etc. However, I'm curious... can one be nationalist (white or otherwise) and still believe in the protection of individual rights? I'd like an honest, straightforward answer - as my question is NOT patronizing or designed to elicit a certain response that I expect to hear. While it's true I do think I MIGHT already know the answer, I am also open to the VERY REAL possibility that I have not thought this one through as completely as I probably should have.

[goldmonkey]

I'm definitely NOT a racist, but I am a WHITE NATIONALIST. I work as much as I can for the benefit of white people, because no one else is.


I'm more of a "When individual rights are protected, ALL rights are protected" type, and as such I completely detest all forms of "socialism", "communism", etc. However, I'm curious... can one be nationalist (white or otherwise) and still believe in the protection of individual rights? I'd like an honest, straightforward answer - as my question is NOT patronizing or designed to elicit a certain response that I expect to hear. While it's true I do think I MIGHT already know the answer, I am also open to the VERY REAL possibility that I have not thought this one through as completely as I probably should have.


Gaillo, IMO, in a homogeneous WHITE society yes, individual rights are protected. However, things have changed. In the west, we are now heterogeneous and we've been invaded by groups that are accustomed to, as hoarder so accurately termed (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/how-to-censor-an-uncensored-forum/msg110043/#msg110043) "employment of cohesion" (i.e., a single race working together). So, essentially, IMO, we need an outer core that defends and maintains our homogeneity, then, and only then, can we continue to practice our evolved individualism. Continuing to practice/pursue individualism is suicidal in a heterogeneous environment. The groups "executing cohesion" will totally dominate us. That's what we're experiencing today and whites have failed to adapt.

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Jump down towards the bottom and read:
'Individualism & the Decline in Ethnic Consciousness Among Europeans' (http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/West-TOQ.htm)

"... one of the theses of my books on Judaism is that individualism is a poor strategy compared to cohesive group strategies ..."


Whether Western individualistic societies are able to defend the legitimate interests of the European-derived peoples remains questionable. The present tendencies lead one to predict that unless individualism is abandoned the end result will be a substantial diminution of the genetic, political, and cultural influence of European peoples. It would be an unprecedented unilateral abdication of such power and certainly an evolutionist would expect no such abdication without at least a phase of resistance by a significant segment of the population—presumably the more ethnocentric among us. Ironically perhaps, this reaction would emulate aspects of Judaism by adopting group-serving, collectivist ideologies and social organizations. Whether the decline of the European peoples continues unabated or is arrested, it will constitute a profound impact of Judaism as a group evolutionary strategy on the development of Western societies.

[iOWNme]

I'll step in and say it....

NATIONAL SOCIALISM SUCKS!!!!!


There are ONLY 2 forms of Government man can live under:

-Competitive Capitalistic Republic
-Monopolistic Capitalistic Oligarchy

There arent any others. ALL forms of Government, including the Communist, are Capitalistic. The only difference is who owns/controls the capital. (Means of production)

National Socialism is a Monopolistic (Government Monopoly of Industry) Capitalistic (means of production) Oligarchy (Ruled by few). Setting aside all the Jew bashing, all the Nationalism etc, we are still left with a Government who monopolizes ALL industries, puts the individual means of production in the hands of the collective, and dispenses its 'Law' from the minds of a few select men via royalty, wealth, family ties, or military control.

A Competitive (NO Government intervention in ANY market) Capitalistic (means of production) Republic (Rule of Law) is the ONLY form of Government that protects PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS. (Your Labor and earnings are PROPERTY owned by the individual.) A Republic can only exist where competitive capitalism is the economic choice.

Yet, the Communist ALWAYS use Socialism as their preferred means of overtaking a Civilized Nation. They use the crude means of Communism to overthrow 3rd world countries via riots, rebellion, anarchy, etc. But dont let them fool you, for both arms are MARXIST.

Not to mention a Central Bank. Satans idea of Banking in a Socialistic society.

Phoenix - Commence to Crapitalism bashing now..... :)


Oh yes a productionless group of thieves trading stocks back and forth controling the wealth of the people is so much better...... :oo-->


Thats not Capitalism, thats called Government Monopoly = Socialism.

For you to even mention the stock market shows you dont understand what Capitalism is. A bunch of Government licensed and regulated Corporations on the Government licensed and regulated stock exchange, playing craps with other peoples money, can only occur where competitive Capitalism is absent. It is a giant Government created monopoly, and can only exist where a Republic is absent.

In true competitive Capitalism the Government is RESTRICTED from even entering the market place. Their only job is to protect the private property of the individual, not participate is the expropriation of it.

THAT is competitive Capitalism.

ANYONE who opposes this, is likely someone who cannot produce with their own talents, and wants to be taken care of from cradle to grave by the collective STATE.

[General of Darkness]

FYI - Socialist economies only work in a homogeneous society. END OF STORY.

[Joe King]

FYI - Socialist economies only work in a homogeneous society. END OF STORY.
We don't want a socialist society. What we want is one like Sui Juris is describing in post #20

[General of Darkness]

FYI - Socialist economies only work in a homogeneous society. END OF STORY.
We don't want a socialist society. What we want is one like Sui Juris is describing in post #20


Not to be a dick, but WTF is this WE business? I've had family that lived, aw fuck it. I'm right your wrong, suck it. ;D

[Joe King]

FYI - Socialist economies only work in a homogeneous society. END OF STORY.
We don't want a socialist society. What we want is one like Sui Juris is describing in post #20


Not to be a dick, but WTF is this WE business? I've had family that lived, aw f*ck it. I'm right your wrong, suck it. ;D
Could you explain what's wrong with wanting a gov that doesn't meddle in private markets and whose sole existence is to protect the private property of the individual?

What exactly is wrong with that?
Are you saying limited gov that actually serves the people as opposed to telling them what to do is a bad thing?

If so, how so?

[General of Darkness]

FYI - Socialist economies only work in a homogeneous society. END OF STORY.
We don't want a socialist society. What we want is one like Sui Juris is describing in post #20


Not to be a dick, but WTF is this WE business? I've had family that lived, aw f*ck it. I'm right your wrong, suck it. ;D
Could you explain what's wrong with wanting a gov that doesn't meddle in private markets and whose sole existence is to protect the private property of the individual?

What exactly is wrong with that?
Are you saying limited gov that actually serves the people as opposed to telling them what to do is a bad thing?

If so, how so?


Joe I'm all about it. But YOU show me one government that's done that? We'll talk more.

[Fortyone]

I'll step in and say it....

NATIONAL SOCIALISM SUCKS!!!!!


There are ONLY 2 forms of Government man can live under:

-Competitive Capitalistic Republic
-Monopolistic Capitalistic Oligarchy

There arent any others. ALL forms of Government, including the Communist, are Capitalistic. The only difference is who owns/controls the capital. (Means of production)

National Socialism is a Monopolistic (Government Monopoly of Industry) Capitalistic (means of production) Oligarchy (Ruled by few). Setting aside all the Jew bashing, all the Nationalism etc, we are still left with a Government who monopolizes ALL industries, puts the individual means of production in the hands of the collective, and dispenses its 'Law' from the minds of a few select men via royalty, wealth, family ties, or military control.

A Competitive (NO Government intervention in ANY market) Capitalistic (means of production) Republic (Rule of Law) is the ONLY form of Government that protects PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS. (Your Labor and earnings are PROPERTY owned by the individual.) A Republic can only exist where competitive capitalism is the economic choice.

Yet, the Communist ALWAYS use Socialism as their preferred means of overtaking a Civilized Nation. They use the crude means of Communism to overthrow 3rd world countries via riots, rebellion, anarchy, etc. But dont let them fool you, for both arms are MARXIST.

Not to mention a Central Bank. Satans idea of Banking in a Socialistic society.

Phoenix - Commence to Crapitalism bashing now..... :)


Oh yes a productionless group of thieves trading stocks back and forth controling the wealth of the people is so much better...... :oo-->


Thats not Capitalism, thats called Government Monopoly = Socialism.

For you to even mention the stock market shows you dont understand what Capitalism is. A bunch of Government licensed and regulated Corporations on the Government licensed and regulated stock exchange, playing craps with other peoples money, can only occur where competitive Capitalism is absent. It is a giant Government created monopoly, and can only exist where a Republic is absent.

In true competitive Capitalism the Government is RESTRICTED from even entering the market place. Their only job is to protect the private property of the individual, not participate is the expropriation of it.

THAT is competitive Capitalism.

ANYONE who opposes this, is likely someone who cannot produce with their own talents, and wants to be taken care of from cradle to grave by the collective STATE.






Lets talk about how it works in reality. Its like Occamsrazor's old arguements how Stalinism wasnt really Communism. Are you going to tell me that Wall street isnt referred to as the center of capitalism?

[iOWNme]

I'll step in and say it....

NATIONAL SOCIALISM SUCKS!!!!!


There are ONLY 2 forms of Government man can live under:

-Competitive Capitalistic Republic
-Monopolistic Capitalistic Oligarchy

There arent any others. ALL forms of Government, including the Communist, are Capitalistic. The only difference is who owns/controls the capital. (Means of production)

National Socialism is a Monopolistic (Government Monopoly of Industry) Capitalistic (means of production) Oligarchy (Ruled by few). Setting aside all the Jew bashing, all the Nationalism etc, we are still left with a Government who monopolizes ALL industries, puts the individual means of production in the hands of the collective, and dispenses its 'Law' from the minds of a few select men via royalty, wealth, family ties, or military control.

A Competitive (NO Government intervention in ANY market) Capitalistic (means of production) Republic (Rule of Law) is the ONLY form of Government that protects PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS. (Your Labor and earnings are PROPERTY owned by the individual.) A Republic can only exist where competitive capitalism is the economic choice.

Yet, the Communist ALWAYS use Socialism as their preferred means of overtaking a Civilized Nation. They use the crude means of Communism to overthrow 3rd world countries via riots, rebellion, anarchy, etc. But dont let them fool you, for both arms are MARXIST.

Not to mention a Central Bank. Satans idea of Banking in a Socialistic society.

Phoenix - Commence to Crapitalism bashing now..... :)


Oh yes a productionless group of thieves trading stocks back and forth controling the wealth of the people is so much better...... :oo-->


Thats not Capitalism, thats called Government Monopoly = Socialism.

For you to even mention the stock market shows you dont understand what Capitalism is. A bunch of Government licensed and regulated Corporations on the Government licensed and regulated stock exchange, playing craps with other peoples money, can only occur where competitive Capitalism is absent. It is a giant Government created monopoly, and can only exist where a Republic is absent.

In true competitive Capitalism the Government is RESTRICTED from even entering the market place. Their only job is to protect the private property of the individual, not participate is the expropriation of it.

THAT is competitive Capitalism.

ANYONE who opposes this, is likely someone who cannot produce with their own talents, and wants to be taken care of from cradle to grave by the collective STATE.






Lets talk about how it works in reality. Its like Occamsrazor's old arguements how Stalinism wasnt really Communism. Are you going to tell me that Wall street isnt referred to as the center of capitalism?


Its all lies.

I agree, of course Stalin was a Commie. The only difference was either ownership or control of the 'Capital'.

And yes, it is 'referred' to that. But that doesnt make it correct. As a matter of fact, it probably means it is a falsehood if anything, which it most certainly is.

I could say that i hate Christianity because of all the child molestation, all of the Pagan symbols and ideas, the selling out to 501c3 and the overall devaluing of Morals and Religious values. But that would have NOTHING to do with true Christianity.

Why do we chose to see the deceptions when they fit our agenda's, but cannot see them when they are counter to our ideas?

[DMac]

Why do we chose to see the deceptions when they fit our agenda's, but cannot see them when they are counter to our ideas?



Because people (in general) no longer study philosophy.

[Fortyone]

I'll step in and say it....

NATIONAL SOCIALISM SUCKS!!!!!


There are ONLY 2 forms of Government man can live under:

-Competitive Capitalistic Republic
-Monopolistic Capitalistic Oligarchy

There arent any others. ALL forms of Government, including the Communist, are Capitalistic. The only difference is who owns/controls the capital. (Means of production)

National Socialism is a Monopolistic (Government Monopoly of Industry) Capitalistic (means of production) Oligarchy (Ruled by few). Setting aside all the Jew bashing, all the Nationalism etc, we are still left with a Government who monopolizes ALL industries, puts the individual means of production in the hands of the collective, and dispenses its 'Law' from the minds of a few select men via royalty, wealth, family ties, or military control.

A Competitive (NO Government intervention in ANY market) Capitalistic (means of production) Republic (Rule of Law) is the ONLY form of Government that protects PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS. (Your Labor and earnings are PROPERTY owned by the individual.) A Republic can only exist where competitive capitalism is the economic choice.

Yet, the Communist ALWAYS use Socialism as their preferred means of overtaking a Civilized Nation. They use the crude means of Communism to overthrow 3rd world countries via riots, rebellion, anarchy, etc. But dont let them fool you, for both arms are MARXIST.

Not to mention a Central Bank. Satans idea of Banking in a Socialistic society.

Phoenix - Commence to Crapitalism bashing now..... :)


Oh yes a productionless group of thieves trading stocks back and forth controling the wealth of the people is so much better...... :oo-->


Thats not Capitalism, thats called Government Monopoly = Socialism.

For you to even mention the stock market shows you dont understand what Capitalism is. A bunch of Government licensed and regulated Corporations on the Government licensed and regulated stock exchange, playing craps with other peoples money, can only occur where competitive Capitalism is absent. It is a giant Government created monopoly, and can only exist where a Republic is absent.

In true competitive Capitalism the Government is RESTRICTED from even entering the market place. Their only job is to protect the private property of the individual, not participate is the expropriation of it.

THAT is competitive Capitalism.

ANYONE who opposes this, is likely someone who cannot produce with their own talents, and wants to be taken care of from cradle to grave by the collective STATE.






Lets talk about how it works in reality. Its like Occamsrazor's old arguements how Stalinism wasnt really Communism. Are you going to tell me that Wall street isnt referred to as the center of capitalism?


Its all lies.

I agree, of course Stalin was a Commie. The only difference was either ownership or control of the 'Capital'.

And yes, it is 'referred' to that. But that doesnt make it correct. As a matter of fact, it probably means it is a falsehood if anything, which it most certainly is.

I could say that i hate Christianity because of all the child molestation, all of the Pagan symbols and ideas, the selling out to 501c3 and the overall devaluing of Morals and Religious values. But that would have NOTHING to do with true Christianity.

Why do we chose to see the deceptions when they fit our agenda's, but cannot see them when they are counter to our ideas?




I wont debate religion in this thread, but lets say we disagree on idols in Christianity for now,we can discuss that on another thread? Back to the main subject,If the Wall street whorehouse and the central banks were dissolved, capital would be returned to the people that earned it ,no?The Governments one responsibility is to PROTECT the people,they need to start with this. Im not saying you shouldnt be able to own shares,.just make those shares accurate, not a handful of thieves trading it back and forth sucking money away from the little guys. How can anyone defend their actions? Let me make one more thing clear, I believe National Socialism could work within the Constitution of the US,I DO NOT fall into the category of Germanophiles.A NS United States would be totally different and could be a very healthy nation,economically and socially.Hitler's NS experiment failed because of the war,and paled in comparison to the US economy.

[Stop Making Cents]

I've always believed the notion that Nazis are pure evil because I guess I"m raised here in America where that's just the way they are portrayed. I have my doubts though. I have a family member that was caputred by the Nazis when his plane was shot down, and he says they treated him quite well. Not exactly the way that 'pure evil' would treat a captured enemy.

Hitler killed many, but Stalin, Mao, and other dictators killed many more. These other dictators aren't portrayed as pure evil like Hitler is. Stalin engaged in genocide against the Ukrainians, yet his crimes are never compared to the Holocaust.

I'm not saying I support Hitler in the least but I have a much more open mind about him than I used to.

Fortyone is right though, NS will never succeed if they are associated with Hitler and Nazis - there isn't even a question here in America that Hitler was the antiChrist.

[Fortyone]

I've always believed the notion that Nazis are pure evil because I guess I"m raised here in America where that's just the way they are portrayed. I have my doubts though. I have a family member that was caputred by the Nazis when his plane was shot down, and he says they treated him quite well. Not exactly the way that 'pure evil' would treat a captured enemy.

Hitler killed many, but Stalin, Mao, and other dictators killed many more. These other dictators aren't portrayed as pure evil like Hitler is. Stalin engaged in genocide against the Ukrainians, yet his crimes are never compared to the Holocaust.

I'm not saying I support Hitler in the least but I have a much more open mind about him than I used to.

Fortyone is right though, NS will never succeed if they are associated with Hitler and Nazis - there isn't even a question here in America that Hitler was the antiChrist.



It doesnt matter, Germany and the US fought a real shooting war where a bunch of troops on both sides died,no matter the politics, the soldiers were enemies and some didnt come home. To push uniformed SS "replicas" is pure controlled opposition from my point of view.Speakers that hold a rally surrounded by Swastikas and spew nothing but hate and no solutions should be avoided, they are controlled.Like i mentioned before,Do not hide the fact you are NS, be proud of it like any other belief. Point out its successes and fix its faults.A NS nation doesnt have to be expansionist,or a Police State. One last thing about Swastikas. That was the symbol of the GERMAN NS party, Any American NS party should use the Stars and Stripes,America is a totally different cut than Germany and should build its NS party upon that.

[iOWNme]

I'll step in and say it....

NATIONAL SOCIALISM SUCKS!!!!!


There are ONLY 2 forms of Government man can live under:

-Competitive Capitalistic Republic
-Monopolistic Capitalistic Oligarchy

There arent any others. ALL forms of Government, including the Communist, are Capitalistic. The only difference is who owns/controls the capital. (Means of production)

National Socialism is a Monopolistic (Government Monopoly of Industry) Capitalistic (means of production) Oligarchy (Ruled by few). Setting aside all the Jew bashing, all the Nationalism etc, we are still left with a Government who monopolizes ALL industries, puts the individual means of production in the hands of the collective, and dispenses its 'Law' from the minds of a few select men via royalty, wealth, family ties, or military control.

A Competitive (NO Government intervention in ANY market) Capitalistic (means of production) Republic (Rule of Law) is the ONLY form of Government that protects PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS. (Your Labor and earnings are PROPERTY owned by the individual.) A Republic can only exist where competitive capitalism is the economic choice.

Yet, the Communist ALWAYS use Socialism as their preferred means of overtaking a Civilized Nation. They use the crude means of Communism to overthrow 3rd world countries via riots, rebellion, anarchy, etc. But dont let them fool you, for both arms are MARXIST.

Not to mention a Central Bank. Satans idea of Banking in a Socialistic society.

Phoenix - Commence to Crapitalism bashing now..... :)


Oh yes a productionless group of thieves trading stocks back and forth controling the wealth of the people is so much better...... :oo-->


Thats not Capitalism, thats called Government Monopoly = Socialism.

For you to even mention the stock market shows you dont understand what Capitalism is. A bunch of Government licensed and regulated Corporations on the Government licensed and regulated stock exchange, playing craps with other peoples money, can only occur where competitive Capitalism is absent. It is a giant Government created monopoly, and can only exist where a Republic is absent.

In true competitive Capitalism the Government is RESTRICTED from even entering the market place. Their only job is to protect the private property of the individual, not participate is the expropriation of it.

THAT is competitive Capitalism.

ANYONE who opposes this, is likely someone who cannot produce with their own talents, and wants to be taken care of from cradle to grave by the collective STATE.






Lets talk about how it works in reality. Its like Occamsrazor's old arguements how Stalinism wasnt really Communism. Are you going to tell me that Wall street isnt referred to as the center of capitalism?


Its all lies.

I agree, of course Stalin was a Commie. The only difference was either ownership or control of the 'Capital'.

And yes, it is 'referred' to that. But that doesnt make it correct. As a matter of fact, it probably means it is a falsehood if anything, which it most certainly is.

I could say that i hate Christianity because of all the child molestation, all of the Pagan symbols and ideas, the selling out to 501c3 and the overall devaluing of Morals and Religious values. But that would have NOTHING to do with true Christianity.

Why do we chose to see the deceptions when they fit our agenda's, but cannot see them when they are counter to our ideas?




I wont debate religion in this thread, but lets say we disagree on idols in Christianity for now,we can discuss that on another thread? Back to the main subject,If the Wall street whorehouse and the central banks were dissolved, capital would be returned to the people that earned it ,no?The Governments one responsibility is to PROTECT the people,they need to start with this. Im not saying you shouldnt be able to own shares,.just make those shares accurate, not a handful of thieves trading it back and forth sucking money away from the little guys. How can anyone defend their actions? Let me make one more thing clear, I believe National Socialism could work within the Constitution of the US,I DO NOT fall into the category of Germanophiles.A NS United States would be totally different and could be a very healthy nation,economically and socially.Hitler's NS experiment failed because of the war,and paled in comparison to the US economy.


Fair enough, and good reply....

But let me interject about Socialism. Socialism is a mere doorway to Communism. It cannot EVER be sustained. It must either go one way (Communism) or the other (Democracy). It cannot be sustained for an indefinite time line, and here is why:

The non-producing class of Government leeches will always grow. The Politicians must always raise taxes to keep the feeders at bay. That means every time the new round of elections comes, taxes must be raised. Every time taxes are raised, there is a certain percentage of workers who were barely struggling to survive, and they fall under. They are now forced to be on the Government take. So the amount of people paying taxes always gets smaller, and the amount of leeches always gets bigger. This means that no matter what, the Government WILL collapse, and chaos and anarchy will ensue. It is pure mathematics. The number of people voting to steal from the others ALWAYS grows bigger, and the number of people who are willing to work ALWAYS grows smaller. History has shown this many times over in many different Socialist societies.

[Fortyone]

I'll step in and say it....

NATIONAL SOCIALISM SUCKS!!!!!


There are ONLY 2 forms of Government man can live under:

-Competitive Capitalistic Republic
-Monopolistic Capitalistic Oligarchy

There arent any others. ALL forms of Government, including the Communist, are Capitalistic. The only difference is who owns/controls the capital. (Means of production)

National Socialism is a Monopolistic (Government Monopoly of Industry) Capitalistic (means of production) Oligarchy (Ruled by few). Setting aside all the Jew bashing, all the Nationalism etc, we are still left with a Government who monopolizes ALL industries, puts the individual means of production in the hands of the collective, and dispenses its 'Law' from the minds of a few select men via royalty, wealth, family ties, or military control.

A Competitive (NO Government intervention in ANY market) Capitalistic (means of production) Republic (Rule of Law) is the ONLY form of Government that protects PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS. (Your Labor and earnings are PROPERTY owned by the individual.) A Republic can only exist where competitive capitalism is the economic choice.

Yet, the Communist ALWAYS use Socialism as their preferred means of overtaking a Civilized Nation. They use the crude means of Communism to overthrow 3rd world countries via riots, rebellion, anarchy, etc. But dont let them fool you, for both arms are MARXIST.

Not to mention a Central Bank. Satans idea of Banking in a Socialistic society.

Phoenix - Commence to Crapitalism bashing now..... :)


Oh yes a productionless group of thieves trading stocks back and forth controling the wealth of the people is so much better...... :oo-->


Thats not Capitalism, thats called Government Monopoly = Socialism.

For you to even mention the stock market shows you dont understand what Capitalism is. A bunch of Government licensed and regulated Corporations on the Government licensed and regulated stock exchange, playing craps with other peoples money, can only occur where competitive Capitalism is absent. It is a giant Government created monopoly, and can only exist where a Republic is absent.

In true competitive Capitalism the Government is RESTRICTED from even entering the market place. Their only job is to protect the private property of the individual, not participate is the expropriation of it.

THAT is competitive Capitalism.

ANYONE who opposes this, is likely someone who cannot produce with their own talents, and wants to be taken care of from cradle to grave by the collective STATE.






Lets talk about how it works in reality. Its like Occamsrazor's old arguements how Stalinism wasnt really Communism. Are you going to tell me that Wall street isnt referred to as the center of capitalism?


Its all lies.

I agree, of course Stalin was a Commie. The only difference was either ownership or control of the 'Capital'.

And yes, it is 'referred' to that. But that doesnt make it correct. As a matter of fact, it probably means it is a falsehood if anything, which it most certainly is.

I could say that i hate Christianity because of all the child molestation, all of the Pagan symbols and ideas, the selling out to 501c3 and the overall devaluing of Morals and Religious values. But that would have NOTHING to do with true Christianity.

Why do we chose to see the deceptions when they fit our agenda's, but cannot see them when they are counter to our ideas?




I wont debate religion in this thread, but lets say we disagree on idols in Christianity for now,we can discuss that on another thread? Back to the main subject,If the Wall street whorehouse and the central banks were dissolved, capital would be returned to the people that earned it ,no?The Governments one responsibility is to PROTECT the people,they need to start with this. Im not saying you shouldnt be able to own shares,.just make those shares accurate, not a handful of thieves trading it back and forth sucking money away from the little guys. How can anyone defend their actions? Let me make one more thing clear, I believe National Socialism could work within the Constitution of the US,I DO NOT fall into the category of Germanophiles.A NS United States would be totally different and could be a very healthy nation,economically and socially.Hitler's NS experiment failed because of the war,and paled in comparison to the US economy.


Fair enough, and good reply....

But let me interject about Socialism. Socialism is a mere doorway to Communism. It cannot EVER be sustained. It must either go one way (Communism) or the other (Democracy). It cannot be sustained for an indefinite time line, and here is why:

The non-producing class of Government leeches will always grow. The Politicians must always raise taxes to keep the feeders at bay. That means every time the new round of elections comes, taxes must be raised. Every time taxes are raised, there is a certain percentage of workers who were barely struggling to survive, and they fall under. They are now forced to be on the Government take. So the amount of people paying taxes always gets smaller, and the amount of leeches always gets bigger. This means that no matter what, the Government WILL collapse, and chaos and anarchy will ensue. It is pure mathematics. The number of people voting to steal from the others ALWAYS grows bigger, and the number of people who are willing to work ALWAYS grows smaller. History has shown this many times over in many different Socialist societies.




The country is damaged beyond repair in its current state. NS is the only viable conclusion for it.It can also be the gateway for a new republic.The US needs to restore its roots, but the "diversity" crowd and the Zionists will prevent that.Hard choices have to be made.Production must be restored to the US. Corporations simply make very little today, They purchase generic clone items from Asia, rebadge them and sell them here for a huge profit, all the while the NYSE trades their shares with Workers 401k capital.Under NS this would cease. The Govt.would force Corporations to produce, or go out of business,As these non taxed imports would be heavily taxed.Also, foreign aid would be ELIMINATED as the goal of NS is its own people,not outsiders. Israel, Palestine, and others would no longer recieve any financial or military aid whatsoever.Like minded nations would be alotted a true fair trade status,where as the tariffs would be matching.Americans could still choose their products based on personal preference, but not just because its cheap. Conglomerate retailers such as WalMart would fail under these regulations, but smaller mom and pop business would replace them,and the consumer would benefit. Nations like Russia,and Japan should be cultivated as freinds, as their goals are similar, but nations like those in the Eu should be left to their own accord. here are a few other points where NS could benefit and should be done.

1. Withdraw from NATO, The alliance serves the US in no capacity

2. Withdraw from the UN as a security council member. Same as above, but should remain a member for negotiation purposes.

3.Keep the military in high regard and strength. Obvious reasons, and instill National pride

4. Dealing with aggressive foreign powers. use the full force of the military to destroy ,with no reparations, the enemies ability to fight, with no occupation.

5. Withdraw all US troops from foreign soil, except embassy guards.

6.Dealing with false flags. same as #4

7.Diversity. I can cover an outline for this later

8. Abolition of the Federal Reserve

9.Enforce border control, with FORCE

10. Totally revamp the Treasury dept. and the others as well