View Full Version : The Drug War: Time To Wake Up?
DMac
14th September 2010, 08:16 AM
Great piece by Denninger today:
The Drug War: Time To Wake Up? (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=166589)
snip
Repeal the laws and legalize the drugs, let the people do what the hell they want with their own bodies, and the money flow into the criminal gangs disappears.
So do the gangs, the guns, the kidnappings, and the murders.
But so do the prisons, the DEA agents, the cops, the judges, and the courtrooms here in the US, and that makes people sad. After all, if they weren't arresting all these people for consensual adult activity and locking them up (thereby destroying their economic futures!) they'd have to go get real jobs and actually produce something of value in the economy instead of destroying productive labor!
We've made murder a business, and there are over a million Americans who directly profit from this insane "war."
Glass
14th September 2010, 10:42 PM
Govt is the command and control of the drug industry. No way they are going to open it up to competition.
Hatha Sunahara
15th September 2010, 10:44 AM
The Drug War is one of the issues that made me understand that the government is NOT 'of the people, by the people, nor for the people'. It made me realize that what we call the government is just the machinery. The brains and control of it is done by a secret organization that has its own agenda and is accountable to no one.
There is no point in talking about the Drug War. It is a symptom of a larger malaise--the decoupling of government functions from common sense and decency. It was a trial run for the War on Terror. A dress rehearsal for stripping citizens of their rights and their property.
It would do more good to talk about who really runs the government than why drugs are still illegal.
Hatha
Celtic Rogue
15th September 2010, 12:04 PM
WAR ON DRUGS = WAR ON THE PEOPLE
Its for the children!!!! LOL! Yeah right... bars all over the place... beer and wine sold in grocery stores and Drug ads dominating the commercial air waves.
I fully agree that if you legalize drugs... You take the money out of the crooks hands and hopefully the drugs will become a tax revenue and provide treatment for the people who wake up and see the light.
The light being that abuse of drugs is problematic and harmfull to your well being. Yes alcohol is a drug too! However I believe that the responsible use of drugs can be beneficial in many ways.
Life... Liberty... and the pursuit of ones Happiness!
Joe King
15th September 2010, 12:49 PM
WAR ON DRUGS = WAR ON THE PEOPLE
Its for the children!!!! LOL! Yeah right... bars all over the place... beer and wine sold in grocery stores and Drug ads dominating the commercial air waves.
I fully agree that if you legalize drugs... You take the money out of the crooks hands and hopefully the drugs will become a tax revenue and provide treatment for the people who wake up and see the light.
The light being that abuse of drugs is problematic and harmfull to your well being. Yes alcohol is a drug too! However I believe that the responsible use of drugs can be beneficial in many ways.
Life... Liberty... and the pursuit of ones Happiness!
Why should it become a tax revenue?
The only reason the prices are so high is due to the govs own war on them.
But now when times are tough, they see those artificially high prices they themselves created as being a cash cow for them?
Not to mention the fact that the gov has been happy to ruin lives over this issue for decades based upon the supposed evil of drugs, but now they want their cut?
I say BS to that, as they don't deserve it.
They need to just repeal all the laws that have been created about it, and then go do something else.
k-os
15th September 2010, 03:27 PM
What I keep finding are excuses not to fix systems that do not work.
If we stopped the War on Drugs, DEA Agents, judges, cops, etc. would lose their jobs.
If we made the IRS tax code simple, many IRS Agents and accountants would be out of work.
If we made hemp legal it would put cotton/nylon/whatever out of business.
What many people may not realize . . . If we brought all military home, they would be out of work, or put someone else out of work upon their return.
I am really sick of these lame excuses for not fixing a broken system. When has it ever been easy to fix something? So we kick the can down the road.
Repeal the laws and legalize the drugs, let the people do what the hell they want with their own bodies, and the money flow into the criminal gangs disappears.
So do the gangs, the guns, the kidnappings, and the murders.
But so do the prisons, the DEA agents, the cops, the judges, and the courtrooms here in the US, and that makes people sad. After all, if they weren't arresting all these people for consensual adult activity and locking them up (thereby destroying their economic futures!) they'd have to go get real jobs and actually produce something of value in the economy instead of destroying productive labor!
We've made murder a business, and there are over a million Americans who directly profit from this insane "war."
osoab
15th September 2010, 04:04 PM
What I keep finding are excuses not to fix systems that do not work.
Repeal the laws and legalize the drugs, let the people do what the hell they want with their own bodies, and the money flow into the criminal gangs disappears.
So do the gangs, the guns, the kidnappings, and the murders.
But so do the prisons, the DEA agents, the cops, the judges, and the courtrooms here in the US, and that makes people sad. After all, if they weren't arresting all these people for consensual adult activity and locking them up (thereby destroying their economic futures!) they'd have to go get real jobs and actually produce something of value in the economy instead of destroying productive labor!
We've made murder a business, and there are over a million Americans who directly profit from this insane "war."
I thought Karl was giving a fix. He was pointing out the usual excuses for justification. Maybe I took your post wrong.
The comments in his ticker added much more to the debate. Especially the power of control that is exerted over the populace.
At least Karl doesn't feel the dame way about drugs an he does GOLD.
k-os
15th September 2010, 04:48 PM
What I keep finding are excuses not to fix systems that do not work.
Repeal the laws and legalize the drugs, let the people do what the hell they want with their own bodies, and the money flow into the criminal gangs disappears.
So do the gangs, the guns, the kidnappings, and the murders.
But so do the prisons, the DEA agents, the cops, the judges, and the courtrooms here in the US, and that makes people sad. After all, if they weren't arresting all these people for consensual adult activity and locking them up (thereby destroying their economic futures!) they'd have to go get real jobs and actually produce something of value in the economy instead of destroying productive labor!
We've made murder a business, and there are over a million Americans who directly profit from this insane "war."
I thought Karl was giving a fix. He was pointing out the usual excuses for justification. Maybe I took your post wrong.
The comments in his ticker added much more to the debate. Especially the power of control that is exerted over the populace.
At least Karl doesn't feel the dame way about drugs an he does GOLD.
He was, and I was just venting. ;D
MAGNES
15th September 2010, 08:41 PM
Portugal legalizes drugs. Crime/Usage falls.
BBC
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=12541&title=portugal-legalizes-drugs--crime-usage-falls
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/dyinginafghanistan.php
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/050608_opium_marines_800.JPG
the riot act
16th September 2010, 07:27 AM
A good book on the subject of drugs and government is The Underground Empire: Where Crime and Governments Embrace (http://www.amazon.com/Underground-Empire-Where-Governments-Embrace/dp/0440192064/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1284646839&sr=8-1) by John Mills.
It is twenty five years old so a lot of the younger generation have no knowledge of it. It lays out in great detail the involvement of government in the drug trade.
Dogman
16th September 2010, 07:34 AM
What I keep finding are excuses not to fix systems that do not work.
If we stopped the War on Drugs, DEA Agents, judges, cops, etc. would lose their jobs.
If we made the IRS tax code simple, many IRS Agents and accountants would be out of work.
If we made hemp legal it would put cotton/nylon/whatever out of business.
What many people may not realize . . . If we brought all military home, they would be out of work, or put someone else out of work upon their return.
I am really sick of these lame excuses for not fixing a broken system. When has it ever been easy to fix something? So we kick the can down the road.
Repeal the laws and legalize the drugs, let the people do what the hell they want with their own bodies, and the money flow into the criminal gangs disappears.
So do the gangs, the guns, the kidnappings, and the murders.
But so do the prisons, the DEA agents, the cops, the judges, and the courtrooms here in the US, and that makes people sad. After all, if they weren't arresting all these people for consensual adult activity and locking them up (thereby destroying their economic futures!) they'd have to go get real jobs and actually produce something of value in the economy instead of destroying productive labor!
We've made murder a business, and there are over a million Americans who directly profit from this insane "war."
There is more truth in what you say here than you know k-os also add the equipment supplier's
plus kickbacks with the drug control bunch.(can not prove that last part on kickbacks but they have to be their)
Drug control is big business and it gives power to a bunch of people that do not want to lose that power.
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