Speaking of the corruption of Christmas...

[DMac]

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Nimrod is the Lord of Christmas. December 25th celebrates his birth. Nimrod, former king of Babylon, was one of the most evil (Satanist) men ever to walk the earth. The "XMAS" holiday is a return to the pagan roots of the evil culture that has swooped over the land.

[Plastic]

The bible condemns every one of our current holidays from xmas to easter, from new years to holloween. And goes so far as to call easter outright evil....

[Ponce]

"A flower by any other name?"..........to me Chrismas is Christmas and nothing else......Christmas and Cristo goes hand in hand and that's what the Zionist "Jews" are trying to separate......as far as I am concern they will not succeed.......even if we have to take Christmas underground.

By the way, I have no religion is only a matter of principal.

[Saul Mine]

Well, that's one I hadn't heard before, and I have been collecting anti-Christmas rhetoric since 1957.

Christmas doesn't even exist any more. It has been completely replaced by Lightmas. People can't afford Christmas decorations or gifts any more, but lights are quite cheap and very popular.

[DMac]

Well, that's one I hadn't heard before, and I have been collecting anti-Christmas rhetoric since 1957.

Christmas doesn't even exist any more. It has been completely replaced by Lightmas. People can't afford Christmas decorations or gifts any more, but lights are quite cheap and very popular.


I did some searching around the web to find a site that chronicles some of the inconsistencies of what we modern folk celebrate as Christmas. The December 25th birth of God was not a new thing back in the good ole days of year 0. The page I ended up finding that sums up the various gods all born on December 25th is here:

Merry Mithras! (http://culturalvision.net/html/merry_mithras.html)

What I find most interesting about Catholics (and other Christmas celebrating Christians) is that the bible itself gives a time frame for Jesus' birth - and it ain't in December! So why the continued celebration, including Midnight Mass at the Vatican?

It's a conspiracy.

[keehah]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnalia

Saturnalia became one of the most popular Roman festivals. It was marked by tomfoolery and reversal of social roles, in which slaves and masters ostensibly switched places.

Saturnalia was introduced around 217 BCE to raise citizen morale after a crushing military defeat at the hands of the Carthaginians. Originally celebrated for a day, on December 17, its popularity saw it grow until it became a week long extravaganza, ending on the 23rd. Efforts to shorten the celebration were unsuccessful. Augustus tried to reduce it to three days, and Caligula to five. These attempts caused uproar and massive revolts among the Roman citizens.

Saturnalia involved the conventional sacrifices, a couch (lectisternium) set out in front of the temple of Saturn and the untying of the ropes that bound the statue of Saturn during the rest of the year. A Saturnalicius princeps was elected master of ceremonies for the proceedings. Besides the public rites there were a series of holidays and customs celebrated privately. The celebrations included a school holiday, the making and giving of small presents (saturnalia et sigillaricia) and a special market (sigillaria). Gambling was allowed for all, even slaves.

Saturnalia was a time to eat, drink, and be merry. The toga was not worn, but rather the synthesis, i.e. colorful, informal "dinner clothes"; and the pileus (freedman's hat) was worn by everyone. Slaves were exempt from punishment, and treated their masters with (a pretense of) disrespect. The slaves celebrated a banquet: before, with, or served by the masters. Yet the reversal of the social order was mostly superficial; the banquet, for example, would often be prepared by the slaves, and they would prepare their masters' dinner as well. It was license within careful boundaries; it reversed the social order without subverting it.
http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/saturnalia/a/saturnalia.htm

Biblioteca Arcana and Nova Roma offer suggestions for turning December 17 into a celebration of Saturnalia.

Bringing trees indoors to decorate is a modern custom. Nova Roma suggests decorating outdoor trees with sun and star symbols, and using swathes of greenery over doorways, windows, and on people. But Nova Roma emphasizes that decorations are secondary to revelry, feasting, drinking, merry-making, pranks, and gift-giving of Saturnalia. If you can get your friends and neighbors in the spirit, wrangle a parade permit from your municipality so you can dance (like a Roman) in the street.

Biblioteca Arcana's suggestions are for celebrating the religious aspects of the Saturnalia and its two adjoining holidays, the Opalia for Saturn's wife, Ops, goddess of plenty, and the Consualia for Consus, "god of the storage bin." The site provides a complete ritual with an equipment list, information on preparation, location, timing, the banquet, and the conclusion.

[Joe King]

Well, that's one I hadn't heard before, and I have been collecting anti-Christmas rhetoric since 1957.

Christmas doesn't even exist any more. It has been completely replaced by Lightmas. People can't afford Christmas decorations or gifts any more, but lights are quite cheap and very popular.


I did some searching around the web to find a site that chronicles some of the inconsistencies of what we modern folk celebrate as Christmas. The December 25th birth of God was not a new thing back in the good ole days of year 0. The page I ended up finding that sums up the various gods all born on December 25th is here:

Merry Mithras! (http://culturalvision.net/html/merry_mithras.html)

What I find most interesting about Catholics (and other Christmas celebrating Christians) is that the bible itself gives a time frame for Jesus' birth - and it ain't in December! So why the continued celebration, including Midnight Mass at the Vatican?

It's a conspiracy.
It's simply a continuation of ancient customs, traditions and rituals wraped in a new veneer.

[Saul Mine]

I wonder why the sudden anti-Christmas sentiment? All the facts about Christmas have been known forever, the holiday is just over a century old, but the anti sentiment is not as old as the internet.

To be more specific:
* Christmas was celebrated quietly or not at all prior to Coca Cola's adoption of it for an advertising campaign in the late 19th century.
* Unrelated traditions were scouted out and used to generate images for advertising.
* Most modern songs and traditions date from one or another 1940s movie.
* Most songs and customs commemorate winter, not Christmas.
* The bible doesn't support any of it.
* Nobody cares, they just like the holiday.
* Several downturns in the country's prosperity have left people with no money to support the usual elaborate decorations, parties, and gift giving, but lights are quite cheap now and even more impressive than lights used to be, so the holiday has been converted to a light show.
* Significantly, the biggest shows solicit donations to defray the costs.
* The holiday has never been considered exclusively Christian. Members of other religions have participated or ignored it according to their preferences.

Bottom line: Whiners are whining about a custom that was fun while it lasted but nobody ever really claimed to own.

[oldmansmith]

Jeremiah 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

Jeremiah 10:3 For the customs of the people [are] vain: for [one] cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

Jeremiah 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

[7th trump]

Well, that's one I hadn't heard before, and I have been collecting anti-Christmas rhetoric since 1957.

Christmas doesn't even exist any more. It has been completely replaced by Lightmas. People can't afford Christmas decorations or gifts any more, but lights are quite cheap and very popular.


I did some searching around the web to find a site that chronicles some of the inconsistencies of what we modern folk celebrate as Christmas. The December 25th birth of God was not a new thing back in the good ole days of year 0. The page I ended up finding that sums up the various gods all born on December 25th is here:

Merry Mithras! (http://culturalvision.net/html/merry_mithras.html)

What I find most interesting about Catholics (and other Christmas celebrating Christians) is that the bible itself gives a time frame for Jesus' birth - and it ain't in December! So why the continued celebration, including Midnight Mass at the Vatican?

It's a conspiracy.

You are correct that December is not the month Christ was born........................its this month September!
Some have researched and figured the exact day is September 21 and December 25 being the day of conception as we know that Christ's cousin John the Baptist leaped in his mothers womb when his mother approached Mary after Mary was told she was with Child. John the Baptist as a fetis could feel the presents of Christ in Mary's womb and leaped.
As for the christmas tree. God has always refered to himself as a majestic evergreen that never sheds its leaves which symbolic of never changing or dying. Its green all year round.

[7th trump]

Jeremiah 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

Jeremiah 10:3 For the customs of the people [are] vain: for [one] cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

Jeremiah 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

This passage is not refering to the christmas tree at all Oldmansmith. The subject here is to not go the way of the heathen because they have customs of working in vain of building things that have no use to overcoming.
Look at these houses today....................they are built of wood and have the latest and greatest bling bling appliances and gadgets. People live for the day to own a house instead of learning the way to their salvation.
Not saying you cannot have a nice house, but Gods is saying that the vain customs of man with all its gold and silver is not going to give anyone salvation.

[Saul Mine]

As for the christmas tree. God has always refered to himself as a majestic evergreen that never sheds its leaves which symbolic of never changing or dying. Its green all year round.

Chapter and verse, please.

[Neuro]

Isn't it kind of tradition that the corporate slaves get drunk at the corporate Christmas party and insult their bosses? Sounds like Saturnalia, no? I'll be celebrating Saturnalia this year 17th to 23rd. I'll give that nasty Babylonian Satanist Nimrod a pass...

[mrnhtbr2232]

Christmas is to holiday as 4th Quarter is to Celebration.