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Twisted Titan
16th September 2010, 10:34 AM
Greenspam: “Fiat money has no place to go but gold”

Greenspan’s Warning on Gold


http://www.nysun.com/editorials/gree...on-gold/87080/

Alan Greenspan spoke at the Council on Foreign Relations earlier today, and what was his advice? That central bankers should be doing what these columns, among others, have been rattling on about, namely that they should be paying attention to gold. “Fiat money has no place to go but gold,” the former Fed chairman said at the Council, according to economist David Malpass, who quotes Mr. Greenspan in one of Mr. Malpass’ emails on the political economy. Mr. Malpass writes that the former chairman of the Federal Reserve’s board of governors was responding to a question in respect of why gold was hitting new highs.

Mr. Greenspan replied that he’d thought a lot about gold prices over the years and decided the supply and demand explanations treating gold like other commodities “simply don’t pan out,” as Mr. Malpass characterized Mr. Greenspan. “He’d concluded that gold is simply different,” Mr. Malpass wrote. At one point Mr. Greenspan spoke of how, during World War II, the Allies going into North Africa found gold was insisted on in the payment of bribes.* Said the former Fed chairman: “If all currencies are moving up or down together, the question is: relative to what? Gold is the canary in the coal mine. It signals problems with respect to currency markets. Central banks should pay attention to it.”

To which, forgive us, one can only say, “Now he tells us.” The fact is that if Mr. Greenspan governed the Fed with an eye on gold, it wasn’t a particularly steady eye. He might argue that when he left the chairmanship of the Fed, in January 2006, he left a dollar worth a 400th of an ounce of gold, slightly more valuable than the 461st of an ounce of gold that it was worth when he came in nearly 20 years before. But in the first five years of the 21st century, when he was in the last quarter of his years as chairman, the value of the dollar started its long collapse, plunging from the 282nd of an ounce of gold that it was worth on January 4, 2000. In the years since, it has cratered to record lows once imagined only by such sages as Ron Paul.

Mr. Greenspan’s remarks at the council were not the first time he gave us a glimpse of his views on gold. He discusses gold on several pages of his memoir, “The Age of Turulence,” reminding that he once told a Congressional committee that “monetary policy should make even a fiat money economy behave ‘as though anchored by gold.’” He wrote that he had “always harbored a nostalgia for the gold standard’s inherent price stability.” But he confesses that he’s “long since acquiesced in the fact that the gold standard does not readily accommodate the widely accepted current view of the appropriate functions of government — in particular the need for government to provide a social safety net.”

The American people, he asserted in his book, have for the most part “tolerated the inflation bias as an acceptable cost of the modern welfare state.” And he claimed, “There is no support for the gold standard today, and I see no likelihood of its return.” We’ll hazard a guess that the statement makes him a man more of the past than of the future. But at least some politicians are hearkening to his advice about the price of gold. They’re people like Congressman Ron Paul and his son, Rand, who may yet be a senator, and Governor Palin, who was one of the first to warn about the gold price, and Congressman Paul Ryan, who asked Mr. Greenspan’s successor, Ben Bernanke about gold.

And, by the way, a few journalists, like Glenn Beck, who are students of history and just can’t believe their eyes that the dollar has plunged to the level it has with so few people raising an alarm. We are in a period when gold is more than a canary — to cite Mr. Greenspan’s bird of choice — it’s a full-throated rooster, cock-a-doodling at the top of its lungs. It was nice to see Mr. Greenspan mark the point at the Council. Would that he’d taken more of his own advice. And nice to see Mr. Malpass mark the Greenspan comments so prominently in his letter to his economic clients. He is more for a gold price rule in monetary policy than a gold standard, but we hope he makes another run for high office at the first chance, and presses the principle for all its worth. It’s what we need in the national debate, and none too soon.

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* Not just in World War II did the special role of gold come into focus. Covering the fall of free Saigon for the Wall Street Journal in April 1975, your editor witnessed a bank run in which panicked Vietnamese citizens, in the streets outside the financial institutions, bought, when they could, gold that had been pressed into sheets the size and approximate thickness of cigarette paper.

http://www.nysun.com/editorials/gree...on-gold/87080/

Libertarian_Guard
16th September 2010, 10:54 AM
Both of links you've provided are dead.

Ash_Williams
16th September 2010, 11:01 AM
http://www.nysun.com/editorials/greenspans-warning-on-gold/87080/

Somehow when he pasted it the .... went in there instead of the proper url.

Ponce
16th September 2010, 11:11 AM
Usually when someone provides me with a link in regards to the Zionist "Jews" or to Obama I am redirected to an XXXXXXXXXXX rated site........coincidence?

By the way, this morning I read that the guy who owned "xxx.israel" on twitter sold the site to the state of Israel and they placed the site dormant.........for now.

Libertarian_Guard
16th September 2010, 11:18 AM
http://www.nysun.com/editorials/greenspans-warning-on-gold/87080/

Somehow when he pasted it the .... went in there instead of the proper url.


Ash

Thank you!

Libertarian_Guard
16th September 2010, 11:21 AM
By the way, this morning I read that the guy who owned "xxx.israel" on twitter sold the site to the state of Israel and they placed the site dormant.........for now.


Thars gold in them thar hills!

Libertarian_Guard
16th September 2010, 11:42 AM
Depressed Alan Greenspan Scares Suits at Council on Foreign Relations

As side note, although this conference was for "The Council on Foreign Relations" it was hosted by Mort (U.S. Jews and World Report) Zuckerman.


Alan Greenspan was smiling during his Q&A at the Council on Foreign Relations this morning, but his mood was definitely grim. Speaking to an audience of assorted muckety-mucks, including Steven Rattner, Peter Peterson, and host Mort Zuckerman, the former Federal Reserve chairman noted that the economy was foundering under "a heavy weight of uncertainty" that government stimulus has failed thus far to soothe, and advocated tax hikes as a means of "lifting this pall." "I think that we have got a fiscal situation in which if we don't curtail it quickly, we're going to have very grave problems ahead," he said. "I just can't visualize how we're going to get to next February with the budget we have. We have essentially put on the books a level of commitment which I don't think we physically can bear."

"That was scary as shit," one guest was overheard saying, as the crowd filed solemnly to post-pessimism-porn breakfasts at the Regency. The good news is that Alan Greenspan is only right 70 percent of the time.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/09/alan_greenspan_scares_suits_at.html

Plastic
16th September 2010, 11:53 AM
Raising taxes is political suicide and they know it, I think what he is saying is that we need some serious inflation to raise stealth taxes.

Twisted Titan
16th September 2010, 12:19 PM
"I just can't visualize how we're going to get to next February with the budget we have. We have essentially put on the books a level of commitment which I don't think we physically can bear."

OH, I CAN CERTAINLEY VISULAIZE IT

Plastic
16th September 2010, 01:03 PM
Yeps, what was called Jew confetti is coming to a city near us and probably soon at that......

On the bright side, cheap heating.

Libertarian_Guard
16th September 2010, 01:17 PM
The former head of the Federal Reserve said fiscal stimulus efforts have fallen far short of expectations, and the government now needs to get out of the way and allow businesses and markets to power the recovery.

“We have to find a way to simmer down the extent of activism that is going on” with government stimulus spending “and allow the economy to heal” itself, former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan told a gathering held at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York on Wednesday.

At this point, “we’d probably be better off doing less than more” because “you’d be far better off to allow the normal market forces to operate here,” Greenspan said. That’s largely because stimulus spending is not proving as effective as many had hoped. “To the extent the evidence suggests very large deficits concurrently crowd out capital investment, there is a debit to the stimulus program that is somewhere between a third and a half of what the gross stimulus is,” he said.


http://hotair.com/archives/2010/09/15/greenspan-stimulus-package-worked-far-less-than-expected/

Joe King
16th September 2010, 01:33 PM
"I just can't visualize how we're going to get to next February with the budget we have. We have essentially put on the books a level of commitment which I don't think we physically can bear."

OH, I CAN CERTAINLEY VISULAIZE IT


When living on credit there will eventually come a time when yesterdays promises to pay exceed tomorrows ability to made those promises good.

Which is where we are today.

Silver Shield
16th September 2010, 02:23 PM
John Williams is going to change his prediction of hyper inflation to next week when he hears this...

DMac
16th September 2010, 02:28 PM
Bix Weir thinks we have an unlikely ally in Greenspan:

Greenspan's Golden Secret! (http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/101.cfm)

Gaillo
16th September 2010, 02:42 PM
...as Mr. Malpass characterized Mr. Greenspan. “He’d concluded that gold is simply different,”...

Gee... ya think? :oo-->

Cebu_4_2
16th September 2010, 04:23 PM
Bix Weir thinks we have an unlikely ally in Greenspan:

Greenspan's Golden Secret! (http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/101.cfm)


Holy crap! Thanks DMac!

FunnyMoney
16th September 2010, 08:46 PM
Bix Weir thinks we have an unlikely ally in Greenspan:

Greenspan's Golden Secret! (http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/101.cfm)


Sorry DMac, most of your posts are spot on target but this one is false hope. Or maybe you are just posting it as simply informational excerpts from the crash of civilization, or (if I know you as well as I think I do) more likely you are showing us the message and waiting for us to see how stupid it would be to believe it.

But if you read the entire article you will find is it filled with all sorts of mistaken ideas.

From the conclusion:


CONCLUSION

I don't think I can leave you with a conclusion. This will be an amazing transition and the radical changes that are about to be sprung upon us will change the world forever. Hopefully it will be peaceful and fill us full of hope for the future. Ultimately, I believe this "creative destruction" will be for the better.

Personally, I would like to thank Chairman Greenspan. It took a truly brilliant and courageous man to take down the bankers that stole my country, and I believe he has succeeded.


A transition to a gold standard will leave the same people in charge that are in charge today. Freedom is not so easily attained. You don't just stop protecting freedom for generations and then expect freedom and liberty to come back because some banker claims it will. And this is a global world now, most of which has never even known true freedom and liberty. If someone tells you that they can fix things for you, just let them take control - you better run.

DMac
16th September 2010, 08:51 PM
I am not ready to accept all the conclusions Weir comes to but find the article to be a relevant and provocative question to pursue.

"Canary in the coal mine."

po14015
16th September 2010, 09:07 PM
The video is on the CFR site. Gold question at 35:35.

Two other things said were:
"Fiat currency is a zero sum game."
and
his biggest worry is the shadow inventory in housing.

mamboni
16th September 2010, 09:10 PM
Bix Weir thinks we have an unlikely ally in Greenspan:

Greenspan's Golden Secret! (http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/101.cfm)


Holy crap! Thanks DMac!


That story is what, 3 years old. Old Bix can sure weave a tall tale. I suspect he's a big fan of ganga!

ShortJohnSilver
16th September 2010, 09:14 PM
Bix Weir thinks we have an unlikely ally in Greenspan:

Greenspan's Golden Secret! (http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/101.cfm)


Holy crap! Thanks DMac!


That story is what, 3 years old. Old Bix can sure weave a tall tale. I suspect he's a big fan of ganga!


Probably too much Corexit in the bong water ...

Saul Mine
17th September 2010, 07:01 AM
Who in h*ll cares what Greenspan advises? That's like getting marital counseling from the guy who rapes your daughter every week.