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Ponce
16th September 2010, 05:30 PM
Say Goodbye to Sunspots?

by Phil Berardelli on 14 September 2010, 2:41 PM | Permanent Link | 15 Comments


Weaklings. Without penumbrae, which can be seen in the yellow image, today's sunspots are weakening magnetically.
Credit: William Livingston/NSOScientists studying sunspots for the past 2 decades have concluded that the magnetic field that triggers their formation has been steadily declining. If the current trend continues, by 2016 the sun's face may become spotless and remain that way for decades—a phenomenon that in the 17th century coincided with a prolonged period of cooling on Earth.

Sunspots appear when upwellings of the sun's magnetic field trap ionized plasma—or electrically charged, superheated gas—on the surface. Normally, the gas would release its heat and sink back below the surface, but the magnetic field inhibits this process. From Earth, the relatively cool surface gas looks like a dark blemish on the sun.

Astronomers have been observing and counting sunspots since Galileo began the practice in the early 17th century. From those studies, scientists have long known that the sun goes through an 11-year cycle, in which the number of sunspots spikes during a period called the solar maximum and drops—sometimes to zero—during a time of inactivity called the solar minimum.

The last solar minimum should have ended last year, but something peculiar has been happening. Although solar minimums normally last about 16 months, the current one has stretched over 26 months—the longest in a century. One reason, according to a paper submitted to the International Astronomical Union Symposium No. 273, an online colloquium, is that the magnetic field strength of sunspots appears to be waning.

Since 1990, solar astronomers Matthew Penn and William Livingston of the National Solar Observatory in Tucson, Arizona, have been studying the magnetic strength of sunspots using a measurement called Zeeman splitting. Named after the Dutch physicist who discovered it, the splitting is the distance that appears between a pair of lines in a spectrograph of the light given off by iron atoms in the sun’s atmosphere. The wider the splitting, the greater the intensity of the magnetic field that created it. After examining the Zeeman splitting of 1500 sunspots, Penn and Livingston conclude that the average magnetic field strength of sunspots has declined from about 2700 gauss—the average strength of Earth's field is less than 1 gauss—to about 2000 gauss. The reasons for the decrease are not clearly understood, but if the trend continues, sunspot field strength will drop to 1500 gauss by as early as 2016. Because 1500 gauss is the minimum required to produce sunspots, Livingston says, at that level they would no longer be possible.

The phenomenon has happened before. Sunspots disappeared almost entirely between 1645 and 1715 during a period called the Maunder Minimum, which coincided with decades of lower-than-normal temperatures in Europe nicknamed the Little Ice Age. But Livingston cautions that the zero-sunspot prediction could be premature. "It may not happen," he says. "Only the passage of time will tell whether the solar cycle will pick up." Still, he adds, there's no doubt that sunspots "are not very healthy right now." Instead of the robust spots surrounded by halolike zones called penumbrae, as seen during the last solar maximum (photo), most of the current crop looks "rather peaked," with few or no penumbrae.

"It is a very interesting sequence of observations," says solar physicist Scott McIntosh of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado. The researchers "have carefully analyzed their data and the trend appears to be real," he says.

Solar physicist David Hathaway of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama, agrees but with a caveat. "It's an important paper," he says. But the sunspot magnetic field calculations don't take into account a lot of small sunspots that appeared during the last solar maximum. Those sunspots have weaker magnetic fields, which, if not included, could make the average sunspot magnetic field strength seem higher than it really was.

http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/09/say-goodbye-to-sunspots.html

keehah
19th January 2011, 12:18 AM
Its like a limbo dance. Every time the sun lowers expert's expectations, it lowers them again.

This graph shows in red the lowered expectations from 09 or so. I remember when this finally replaced the old 2012 peak thinking (the normal 11 years after the last 2001 peak).
Yet now this is not even close to what is transpiring.

http://modernsurvivalblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/solar-cycle-sunspot-number-progression-4-jan-2011.jpg

http://modernsurvivalblog.com/solar-cycle/erratic-sunspots-smash-noaa-predictions/


Solar Cycle Predictions

http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/predict.shtml

The solar cycle 24 predicted sunspot maximum has been reduced again predicted peak down to 59 Max. (1/3/11)

This will be at the level of the Maunder Minimum of 1675-1715. This period of low sunspot activity had intense cold.

Previous NASA predictions below:

2011 Jan 3: Predicted peak 59

2010 October: Predicted peak 60-70

2009 May 29: predicted peak: 80-90 range

2009 Jan 5: predicted peak: 100-110 range

2008 Mar 28: predicted peak: 130-140 range

Neuro
19th January 2011, 02:21 AM
It may not even reach 50 if the solar cycle peak during 2012. Brrrr!

vacuum
19th January 2011, 06:57 AM
Something is happening to both the Earth and Sun's magnetic fields.

Horn
30th June 2011, 05:43 PM
Something is happening to both the Earth and Sun's magnetic fields.



http://www.leif.org/research/Livingston-Penn-Distribution.png

Horn
23rd July 2013, 01:06 AM
DECREASING SUNSPOT MAGNETIC FIELDS EXPLAIN UNIQUE 10.7 cm RADIO FLUX



Infrared spectral observations of sunspots from 1998 to 2011 have shown that on average sunspots changed, the
magnetic fields weakened, and the temperatures rose. The data also show that sunspots or dark pores can only form
at the solar surface if the magnetic field strength exceeds about 1500 G. Sunspots appear at the solar surface with a
variety of field strengths, and during the period from 1998 to 2002 a histogram of the sunspot magnetic fields shows
a normal distribution with a mean of 2436 26 G and a width of 323 20 G. During this observing period the
mean of the magnetic field distribution decreased by 46 6 G per year, and we assume that as the 1500 G threshold
was approached, magnetic fields appeared at the solar surface which could not form dark sunspots or pores. With
this assumption we propose a quantity called the sunspot formation fraction and give an analytical form derived
from the magnetic field distribution.We show that this fraction can quantitatively explain the changing relationship
between sunspot number and solar radio flux measured at 10.7 cm wavelengths.

http://www.leif.org/research/apjl2012-Liv-Penn-Svalg.pdf

Hypertiger
23rd July 2013, 08:07 AM
Space and time is an illusion.

All the power you all demand comes from the Universe and locally your demands are so great that all and everything around you and that you can see is deflating in power.

Even the Sun is showing signs of turning against you all.

Or you do not think your thoughts do anything to the Universe?

Your thoughts manipulate the Universe.

JohnQPublic
23rd July 2013, 08:33 AM
Space and time is an illusion.

All the power you all demand comes from the Universe and locally your demands are so great that all and everything around you and that you can see is deflating in power.

Even the Sun is showing signs of turning against you all.

Or you do not think your thoughts do anything to the Universe?

Your thoughts manipulate the Universe.

Are we all monads now?

sirgonzo420
23rd July 2013, 08:40 AM
Are we all monads now?

Monotheism only has room for one.

There is only one True Will in the Universe.

Rubberchicken
23rd July 2013, 08:43 AM
Time doesn't exist, clocks exist. Time is just an agreed upon construct. We have taken distance (one revolution of the earth and one orbit of the sun), divided it up into segments then given those segments labels. While it has it's uses, we have been programmed to live our lives by this construct as if it were real. We have confused our shared construct with something that is tangible and thus have become its slave.
Shattered cherished delusion on the grandest scale...

JohnQPublic
23rd July 2013, 08:51 AM
...

There is only one True Will in the Universe.

Would that be Brahma in your view?

sirgonzo420
23rd July 2013, 09:28 AM
Would that be Brahma in your view?

That which made you ask is the same which makes me to answer.

As an ancient chinaman might say:


Tao k'o tao fei ch'ang tao.

Tao called Tao is not Tao.


God/Tao/Brahma are mere names for the unspeakable, ineffable Truth - the Ground of All Being. That which men have come to call "God" is the only "real" there is. All else is illusion and window dressing. There is only one Ultimate Reality. There is only one captain.

Language (at least since Babel...) has brought so much confusion and misunderstanding to matters metaphysic! Even Master Jesus (the veritable WORD himself!) struggled to communicate in the words of man, which is why he veiled his message in parable and allegory - and if he cannot adequately make himself understood without loss of meaning, then surely I cannot!


"seek ye first the kingdom..."

"behold, the kingdom of God is within you"

Jewboo
23rd July 2013, 09:30 AM
Time doesn't exist, clocks exist. Time is just an agreed upon construct.




http://imgs.mi9.com/uploads/movie-tv/1450/frozen-death_1024x768_20601.jpg




Cold doesn't exist, thermometers exist. Cold is just an agreed upon construct.


:rolleyes: you tell 'em rubberchicken

Horn
23rd July 2013, 09:32 AM
Even the Sun is showing signs of turning against you all.

Or you do not think your thoughts do anything to the Universe?

Your thoughts manipulate the Universe.

I like to think it is a shared experience, ie: the universe is in equal part manipulating us.

If this relation did not exist, then collective human consciousness should also be considered illusory.

Either way not something to be overly concerned about, as its an inside job.

Horn
23rd July 2013, 09:42 AM
DECREASING SUNSPOT MAGNETIC FIELDS EXPLAIN UNIQUE 10.7 cm RADIO FLUX



http://www.leif.org/research/apjl2012-Liv-Penn-Svalg.pdf

The main jist of the inquiry of this paper is the the Maunder minimum is a cycle of the Sun that is predictable.

Or more or less, a fate that appears assigned by the top to all of us below.

A collective fate also being the illusion here, as it cannot be predicted.

Horn
23rd July 2013, 09:48 AM
http://imgs.mi9.com/uploads/movie-tv/1450/frozen-death_1024x768_20601.jpg
Cold doesn't exist, thermometers exist. Cold is just an agreed upon construct.


:rolleyes: you tell 'em rubberchicken

Reason why time flys so fast for you, always having fun.

It must crawl for HT. :)

Horn
23rd July 2013, 09:50 AM
There is only one True Will in the Universe.

Link please.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tgtnk3w5tA


Your admirers on the street
Gotta hoot and stamp their feet
In the heat from your physique
As you twinkle by in moccasin sneakers

And I thought my heart would break
When you doubled up at the stake
With your fingers all a-shake
You could never tell a winner from a snake

Well I argued with the judge,
But that bastard wouldn't budge
Cos' they caught me licking fudge
And they never told me once you were a minor

Easy money

With your figure and your face
Strutting out at every race
Throw a glass around the place
Show the colour of your crimson suspenders

We would take the money home
Sit around the family throne
My old dog could chew his bone
For two weeks we could appease the Almighty

Easy money

Your admirers on the street
Gotta hoot and stamp their feet
In the heat from your physique
As you twinkle by in moccasin sneakers

Got no truck with the la-di-da
Keep my bread in an old fruit jar
Drive you out in a motor-car
Getting fat on your lucky star

Rubberchicken
23rd July 2013, 10:12 AM
"Cold doesn't exist, thermometers exist. Cold is just an agreed upon construct. :rolleyes: you tell 'em "


Spoken like an HOURLY wage slave=hairless monkey

Horn
23rd July 2013, 10:44 AM
Spoken like an HOURLY wage slave=hairless monkey

This sentence needs the word just or just a in it somewhere,

depending on where or at "what time" in the sentence it was at, would make all the difference on how it is taken or felt by the recipient.

Twisted Titan
23rd July 2013, 12:42 PM
There isnt a dam thing any of us can do except grin and bear it.


Actually i look forward to not having to pay taxes.

Libertarian_Guard
23rd July 2013, 01:42 PM
Time doesn't exist, clocks exist. Time is just an agreed upon construct. We have taken distance (one revolution of the earth and one orbit of the sun), divided it up into segments then given those segments labels. While it has it's uses, we have been programmed to live our lives by this construct as if it were real. We have confused our shared construct with something that is tangible and thus have become its slave.
Shattered cherished delusion on the grandest scale...


Well you could say so......

But since we live in the here and now, you'll have to admit, our sleep & work habits revolve around how mankind and all other life have adapted to this schedule. Step too far outside of this long established schedule and you'll hasten your own demise.

Early to bed, early to rise.........

Horn
23rd July 2013, 02:12 PM
Step too far outside of this long established schedule and you'll hasten your own demise.

Early to bed, early to rise.........

You really are a powdered toast boy.

General of Darkness
23rd July 2013, 03:10 PM
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