Concerning All Those 'canards'� involving Jews and "divided loyalties"

[PatColo]

this video ought to put said canards to bed once & for all,


"Concerning All Those 'canards'� involving Jews and "divided loyalties" (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2010/09/19/concerning-all-those-canards-involving-jews-and-divided-loyalties/)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsWDcFiPo2s&feature=player_embedded


Gilad Atzmon comments (http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/we-offer-our-unconditional-jewish-loyalty-video.html):


and don't forget the 'Jewish army'...

I am totally convinced that Nazis could have learned a lot from these loyal Jews...

(film by Max Blumenthal)

[EE_]

http://www.grandmotherwhitecrow.com/images/Fire_Eye.jpg

[Plastic]

I'll wager 5 cents to a doughnut that when the SHTF over there those same people would be the first ones on the plane going back to their native nations, to hell with all of them.

[PatColo]

shameless promotion of another thread,

ex-CIA bin Laden Unit Chief on US/Izzy relationship (2 mins) (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/ex-cia-bin-laden-unit-chief-on-usizzy-relationship-%282-mins%29/)



Michael Scheuer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Scheuer) really puts this rabidly anti-Semitic caller in his place! :-X

2 mins,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lea683DqYI

[PatColo]

This article accompanies the vid in the OP, authors are the same who produced the vid:



Watch: As Israel Slides Toward Fascism, Citizens and Supporters Swear Their Loyalty (http://uruknet.com/?p=m69854&hd=&size=1&l=e)

By Max Blumenthal and Joseph Dana

September 17, 2010

Swearing a loyalty oath to Israel as an ethnic state is gaining legitimacy; a video produced by the authors shows the willingness of Israeli residents to pledge allegiance.

The Israeli Knesset is debating a bill proposed by David Rotem of the extreme right Yisrael Beiteinu party that would require all Israeli citizens to swear loyalty to Israel as a "Jewish and democratic state." This bill is targeted at increasing pressure on the 20 percent of Israelis who are Palestinian citizens, while forcing the ultra-Orthodox Jewish minority who reject the legitimacy of any state not based on Jewish biblical law to accept Zionism. If passed in its proposed form, citizens unwilling to take the loyalty oath would be at risk of losing citizenship.

Israeli leaders committed to a classic secular political Zionist platform have always fought at all costs to guard Israel's "Jewish character," even while they reveal their inability to properly define exactly what it is. The loyalty oath and the push for a two-state solution are the most profound examples of the insecurity that has roiled beneath the surface in Jewish Israeli society since the state's inception. Without a Jewish majority exhibiting clear legal and political dominance over the non-Jewish or non-Zionist minority, the Zionist movement becomes meaningless. So as the Palestinian-Israeli minority actively resists its dispossession and the ultra-Orthodox stubbornly reject the concept of a Jewish state, the Israeli establishment feels increasingly compelled to seek draconian measures to salvage its vision of Zionism.

Watch the video: Feeling the Loyalty to the Jewish State of Israel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsWDcFiPo2s&feature=player_embedded

The loyalty oath was one of the main platform issues for Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman's far-right Yisrael Beitenu party when it campaigned in 2009. "No citizenship without loyalty," was among Lieberman's most effective campaign slogans. (His other slogan was "Only Lieberman speaks Arabic.") It helped guide his party to an astonishing third place, with 15 of the 120 seats in Israeli Parliament. The draft bill currently debated in the Parliament would allow the Interior Ministry to strip even native Israelis of their nationality if they refused to swear allegiance to the Jewish state and "its symbols and values," and failed to profess their willingness to perform military service. Abraham Foxman, the national director of the Anti-Defamation League, has expressed support for Yisrael Beiteinu's loyalty crusade (http://jta.org/news/article/2009/02/10/1002906/controversial-lieberman-proposal-finds-support-among-american-jews).

After the proposed law failed its first reading (http://www.haaretz.com/news/ministers-reject-yisrael-beiteinu-s-loyalty-oath-bill-1.276996) in the Knesset due to opposition from a handful of liberal members of the ruling Likud party, Yisrael Beiteinu released the following statement: "Yisrael Beitenu will continue to act for Israel's basis as a Jewish, Zionist and democratic state and will fight against disloyalty and the negative exploitation of Israeli democracy." In July, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's cabinet has approved a similar bill requiring all new citizens to take an oath of loyalty to the Jewish state (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/07/20107199346452716.html). The measure would make attaining citizenship nearly impossible for Palestinians residing inside Israel.

The following month, we met the loyalty bill's author, David Rotem, at his home in the illegal West Bank settlement of Efrat. A self-described "very Zionistic" politician with a hulking frame and a pronounced limp resulting from a bout of polio, Rotem described in a gravely voice his vision of Israeli democracy. "Tyranny of the majority is the heart of democracy," he declared. "Call it what you want but democracy is the rule of the majority. And it's not a tyranny if the majority decides against the minorities."

Besides the loyalty oath bill, political factions ranging from far-right settler parties to opposition leader Tzipi Livni's centrist Kadima Party have proposed no less than 14 pieces of legislation this year that the Association for Civil Rights in Israel defines as anti-democratic (http://www.acri.org.il/eng/story.aspx?id=756). (Rotem is the author of six of the bills.) They include laws that would send citizens to jail for encouraging the rejection of Israel as a Jewish state, strip filmmakers of state funding if their work was deemed anti-Israel, and prosecute any Israeli who publishes material calling for a boycott of Israel. Other lesser-publicized bills have been introduced to block Palestinian residents of Israel from returning to confiscated land or reuniting with family members from the West Bank or Gaza.

While leftist Israelis chant, "Fascism will not pass!" at demonstrations in East Jerusalem, former Knesset member and commentator Yossi Sarid titled a recent column, "Fascism is already here." Citing the swath of anti-democratic bills being debated in the Knesset, the support Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his cabinet have offered for most of them, and the near total lack of opposition from the Israeli mainstream, Sarid remarked, "Israeli democracy is mainly for decoration, like a tree grown for its beauty, not to bear fruit. Few people actually use it or the rights it affords."

Of all the anti-democratic bills recently introduced in the Knesset, Rotem's loyalty law carries the most disturbing undertones, recalling some of the darkest periods in recent history. Well before the Nazi government initiated its campaign of genocide against Germany's Jewish minority, its political leadership introduced the "stab-in-the-back" legend, accusing Jews of disloyalty to the German army and of a general lack of patriotism. During the anticommunist furor of America's McCarthy era, teachers and lawmakers in several states were forced to sign loyalty oaths to prove they were not "subversive," prompting a crackdown on public servants, including a disproportionate number of Jews, who believed their constitutional rights were being violated.

In Israel, a right-wing student group called Im Tirtzu that has gained endorsements from Netanyahu and his education minister Gideon Saar has demanded a purge (http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2010/06/21/im-tirtzu-widens-assault-to-include-israeli-universities/%20) of all "post-Zionist and anti-Zionist" professors from the university system. To support Im Tirtzu's campaign, a popular Israeli singer named Amir Benayoun recorded a song hectoring (http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2010/04/19/israeli-pop-star-joins-im-tirtzu-accusing-peace-activists-of-knifing-israel-in-back/) Israeli leftists and Arabs for "knifing" Israel in the back. It features the lyrics:


After they failed to kill me from the outside you come and kill me from inside
I always charge forward with my back to you but you sharpen the knife

An Experiment In Fascism

With a fascist mood permeating Israeli government and society, we set out into the streets of central Jerusalem to engage young revelers on the issue of loyalty. Because Israel is debating legislation claiming it is the Jewish sovereign state and has the authority to speak in the name of the "Jewish people," we thought the opinions of supporters of Israel from the Jewish diaspora were an essential element in any discussion about the proposed loyalty bill. Given the already simmering controversy over "dual loyalty" in the United States, the topic needed to be explored thoroughly and unflinchingly. Did the Zionist loyalty oath represent a fulcrum point in the dual loyalty debate for diaspora Jews? Would diaspora Jews have any objection to taking an oath to defend the Jewish state? If so, did that put their allegiance to their country of residence in question?

Ultimately, we sought to determine the extent to which the Jewish public in Israel and abroad was ready to accept fascism in any form. To get a better sense of public opinion -- an incomplete snapshot, admittedly -- we asked interview subjects if they would swear before our camera an oath of loyalty to the Jewish state. Our oath was deliberately crafted with the most provocative language possible, based almost word-for-word on the Führereid, or the oath that Wehrmacht soldiers had to swear to Adolph Hitler from 1934 to 1945.

The Wehrmacht oath read as follows (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichswehreid):

I swear by God this holy oath, that I want to offer unconditional obedience to the Fuhrer of the German Empire and people, Adolf Hitler, the commander-in-chief of the Wehrmacht, and be prepared as a brave soldier to risk my life for this oath at any time.

And here is the oath of loyalty to the Jewish state that our interview subjects read on camera:

I swear by Hashem [the Jewish God] that I want to offer unconditional loyalty to the Jewish state of Israel, to its leaders and the commanders of its Jewish army. I am prepared as a loyal supporter of the Jewish state to risk my life for this oath at any time.

Were we suggesting that the Jewish state of Israel represented a new incarnation of Hitler's Third Reich? Of course not. We repudiate sweeping comparisons of Israel to Nazi Germany as shallow and ahistorical. Instead, we imagined our video project as a version of the "Third Wave" experiment (http://libcom.org/history/the-third-wave-1967-account-ron-jones) undertaken by history teacher Ron Jones at Cubberly High School in Southern California in 1967.

Seeking to demonstrate the susceptibility of average citizens to fascism, Jones ordered his students to accept a regimen of strict discipline and community including sig heil salutes, responding to questions while standing and in three words or less, and carrying membership cards at all times. "Strength through discipline," was the motto of the movement Jones claimed to be promoting. By the fourth day of the experiment, the students' enthusiasm for the project had spread to other classes throughout the school. Finally, Jones ordered his students to attend a rally where a presidential candidate from their Third Wave movement would announce his candidacy. When the students arrived, Jones revealed to them that they had been subjects in an experiment about the appeal of fascism, and that they had eagerly replicated the structure of Nazi German society.

Our own experiment exposed an equally disturbing trend among the young Israelis and Jewish supporters of Israel we spoke to. In some cases, our interview subjects eagerly requested to read the loyalty oath on camera without any prompting, and added their own personal touch to it -- usually they emphasized phrases like "Jewish state" and "Jewish army." These subjects were generally new immigrants who had left their families behind in order to join the army and start a brand new life in Israel. Jewish internationals (most were studying at Jerusalem-area yeshivas for the year) who took the oath defended it on the basis that Israel was a state for the Jews, and therefore did not have to comply with the regulations of normal Western democracies.

Only two interviewees refused to take the oath. Though they based their refusal on the possibility that Israel might commit grave human rights crimes in the distant future, they were admittedly unable to define the nature of the abuses that would turn them against the state.

If our interviews demonstrated anything, it is that anyone in any country can fall prey to the psychological lures of fascism. Jews are no exception.

Editor's Note: The author of the loyalty bill was misidentified in the video as Alex Miller. David Rotem is the author.

Max Blumenthal is the author of Republican Gomorrah (Basic/Nation Books, 2009). Contact him at maxblumenthal3000@yahoo.com.

[Ponce]

"They" themselves are doing what I want to happen..........once the people learn of the difference between the Semite Jews and the Khazar-European-Zionist then things will change because they no longer will be able to hide behind the Semite Jews.

[Awoke]

Thank you for all the work and effort you put into your posts, PatColo.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Didn't Hitler require Germans to swear loyalty to him, personally? Or was that just the Armed Forces?

I just wonder how long this global fascist curse will take to self-extinguish. Probably not before it does a whole lot of damage.


Hatha

[PatColo]

"That's Racist!"


Israeli cabinet approves loyalty oath for non-Jews (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israeli-cabinet-approves-loyalty-oath-for-nonjews-2103194.html)

Minister warns that divisive legislation will 'incite Arab minority'

By Donald Macintyre in Jerusalem

Monday, 11 October 2010


A divided Cabinet yesterday approved a highly controversial measure that, for the first time in Israel's 62-year history, requires new non-Jewish citizens to pledge loyalty to it as a "Jewish and democratic state".

more:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israeli-cabinet-approves-loyalty-oath-for-nonjews-2103194.html

[FunnyMoney]

...pledge loyalty to it as a "Jewish and democratic state".




...pledge loyalty to it as a "a religion and a state".


The only thing in history which has brought more hardship and suffering to mankind other than centralized religion, is the centralized state.

Here we have "two birds with one stone". While he certainly didn't think of it exactly this way, I think Joseph Stalin would be very proud.

[General of Darkness]

Oy Vey

http://www.hollow-hill.com/sabina/images/israel-no-crit-allowed.jpg

[PatColo]

...pledge loyalty to it as a "a religion and a state".



this question is subject to endless obfuscation. New from BroTube,

"Israel’s Master Plan" (http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=560)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPLKA7tRx8s&feature=player_embedded

[7th trump]

...pledge loyalty to it as a "a religion and a state".



this question is subject to endless obfuscation. New from BroTube,

"Israel’s Master Plan" (http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=560)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPLKA7tRx8s&feature=player_embedded

I wouldnt get all worked up over this guy.
This master plan gets a mortal wound that satan brings back to life the minute he is kicked to earth.
He says "anti christ" but satan is kicked to earth to play act as Christ.
To take the number of the beast also employs taking an oath.
Anyway this guy is playing you.

[Plastic]

7th, since satan counterfeits everything it also stands to reason that he will show up "just in time" to destroy his "antichrist". It will prob be at that time he will do the oath thing/mark of the beast, which in itsself could be anything from an oath, to an actual physical mark, a note, anything. But Christ does warn that even the very elect can be deceived and he would'nt have said that if it was'nt possible.

I expect to see "satan" appear, then "christ" to appear to destroy him, then when people bow down to him the real Christ arrives only to find himself attacked by satan's forces plus the forces which banded together to fight satan's because they won't know it's Christ and will consider him to be a greater threat.

This battle (Armageddon) will not take place at Meggido as has been implied on tv numerous times, but in the valley of Jehosaphat a.k.a. the valley of decision which is just east of Jerusalem. I do however expect to see satan's fight to take place at Meggido since that has been beaten into everyones head for decades.

[bellevuebully]

7th, since satan counterfeits everything it also stands to reason that he will show up "just in time" to destroy his "antichrist". It will prob be at that time he will do the oath thing/mark of the beast, which in itsself could be anything from an oath, to an actual physical mark, a note, anything. But Christ does warn that even the very elect can be deceived and he would'nt have said that if it was'nt possible.

I expect to see "satan" appear, then "christ" to appear to destroy him, then when people bow down to him the real Christ arrives only to find himself attacked by satan's forces plus the forces which banded together to fight satan's because they won't know it's Christ and will consider him to be a greater threat.

This battle (Armageddon) will not take place at Meggido as has been implied on tv numerous times, but in the valley of Jehosaphat a.k.a. the valley of decision which is just east of Jerusalem. I do however expect to see satan's fight to take place at Meggido since that has been beaten into everyones head for decades.



I believe the grand deception, the great falling away, will prove to be a simple task. The reason I say this is because most people in our churches today (the supposed beneficiaries of this whole culmination), can't even figure out that they are getting sheared daily. The mainstream church supports the government, the wars, the corperations, the monetary system, and, uh, Israel. For all intents, the visible, institutional church is an integral part of the beast system. They are the sheepiest sheep of all, for the most part. To put it bluntly...they have no interest in the truth. Put another way, they have their footings for life in the world, as opposed to the spirit.....althought they would protest that sentiment mightly. But the evidence clearly does not support that protest.

As far as those last days are concerned, any concerned person only needs to know, when the end comes, there will be no decision involved on our part if we endure till the end. If a decision is involved, you are being led to 'inner rooms' and 'desert places'. When He comes for the elect....you will be TAKEN...at that point, no questioning will be involved or required....the worlds fate will have been sealed, so to speak.

[7th trump]

7th, since satan counterfeits everything it also stands to reason that he will show up "just in time" to destroy his "antichrist". It will prob be at that time he will do the oath thing/mark of the beast, which in itsself could be anything from an oath, to an actual physical mark, a note, anything. But Christ does warn that even the very elect can be deceived and he would'nt have said that if it was'nt possible.

I expect to see "satan" appear, then "christ" to appear to destroy him, then when people bow down to him the real Christ arrives only to find himself attacked by satan's forces plus the forces which banded together to fight satan's because they won't know it's Christ and will consider him to be a greater threat.

This battle (Armageddon) will not take place at Meggido as has been implied on tv numerous times, but in the valley of Jehosaphat a.k.a. the valley of decision which is just east of Jerusalem. I do however expect to see satan's fight to take place at Meggido since that has been beaten into everyones head for decades.



I believe the grand deception, the great falling away, will prove to be a simple task. The reason I say this is because most people in our churches today (the supposed beneficiaries of this whole culmination), can't even figure out that they are getting sheared daily. The mainstream church supports the government, the wars, the corperations, the monetary system, and, uh, Israel. For all intents, the visible, institutional church is an integral part of the beast system. They are the sheepiest sheep of all, for the most part. To put it bluntly...they have no interest in the truth. Put another way, they have their footings for life in the world, as opposed to the spirit.....althought they would protest that sentiment mightly. But the evidence clearly does not support that protest.

As far as those last days are concerned, any concerned person only needs to know, when the end comes, there will be no decision involved on our part if we endure till the end. If a decision is involved, you are being led to 'inner rooms' and 'desert places'. When He comes for the elect....you will be TAKEN...at that point, no questioning will be involved or required....the worlds fate will have been sealed, so to speak.

satan does his best work at the pulpit. Just look how satan influenced a mentaly retarded woman from the 1880's to come up with the "rapture" doctrine.

As its written the world is going to whore after satan. Now ponder on that for a minute.

[keehah]

politico.eu: We should monitor all Russians living in the West, Czech leader says (https://www.politico.eu/article/petr-pavel-russia-czech-republic-surveillance/)

JUNE 15, 2023
Czech President Petr Pavel says Russian citizens living abroad should be put under “strict surveillance” by intelligence services in their host countries.

“All Russians living in Western countries should be monitored much more than in the past because they are citizens of a nation that leads an aggressive war,” Pavel said in an interview with Radio Free Europe released Thursday.

“I can be sorry for these people, but at the same time when we look back, when the Second World War started, all the Japanese population living in the United States were under a strict monitoring regime as well,” said the Czech president. “That’s simply a cost of war.”

Asked what he implied by “monitoring,” Pavel said he meant “being under the scrutiny of the security services.”

...The pro-Western Czech president, who has been a vocal supporter of Ukraine amid Russia’s invasion, used to be a NATO general — a highly unusual background for a European leader.

rferl.org: 'Cost Of War': Czech President Says Russians In West Should Be 'Monitored' (https://www.rferl.org/a/czech-president-ukraine-support-nato-summit/32460184.html)

June 15, 2023
Pavel noted that in World War II, Japanese descendants living in the United States were under "a strict monitoring regime as well."

After RFE/RL reached out to Pavel's office for a clarification of what the "strict monitoring regime" would look like, a spokeswoman said a significant majority in Russia support President Vladimir Putin, the aggression against Ukraine, and even attacks on civilian targets.

"Given those circumstances, it would be an utter failure of our own security services and a threat to the security of our own citizens if these [security] services did not pay heightened attention to the Russian community living in our country," Pavel spokeswoman Marketa Rehakova said in an e-mailed response. She added that this refers not to each individual but "those presenting risk factors."

The reference to Japanese citizens in the United States during World War II "was made in the context that restrictive measures toward citizens of hostile countries is not something new and has been applied in the past even though in a harsher way."

The president did not say that it should be followed now and in no way did he mean "internment or any type of persecution," she said.

Internment camps, which were surrounded by barbed wire and guarded by U.S. soldiers, were established during World War II by President Franklin D. Roosevelt for people of Japanese descent. About 120,000 people -- the majority of whom were American citizens -- were affected by the move, which the U.S. government has since apologized for and paid reparations of more than $1.6 billion...

He said he has heard two scenarios about how NATO will proceed on the question of Ukrainian membership. One is to use guarantees like those provided to Finland between the initial move to accession and its ratification in April.

Another would be akin to the security guarantees that NATO offers Israel, he said, predicting that the end result probably will depend on how much countries will be willing to commit...

Asked to assess the first days of Ukraine's counteroffensive, Pavel said he would call it "shaping operations," as he believes the "true counteroffensive" has not yet begun...

Asked about concerns that China would play an outsized role in the reconstruction of Ukraine, he said he suspects China will be more active during that phase than it was in trying to use its influence on Russia to prevent the war.

"We will have to keep an eye on such an effort because it is clear that China will not do it from humanitarian reasons, but simply to get influence and control."

[keehah]

AP: United States imposes travel restrictions on Hungarian citizens over verification concerns (https://apnews.com/article/us-hungary-visa-free-travel-restrictions-8d3d2394ca48fefd815f9a95845a58dd)

August 1, 2023
The United States imposed new travel restrictions on citizens of Hungary on Tuesday over concerns that the identities of nearly 1 million foreigners granted Hungarian passports over nine years weren't sufficiently verified, according to the U.S. Embassy and a government official...

The validity period of travel for Hungarian passport holders under the Electronic System for Travel Authorization was reduced from two years to one year, and each traveler will be limited to a single entry into the United States. They are the only such restrictions among the 40 participating states in the Visa Waiver Program...

A senior U.S. government official said the change followed years of failed efforts by the U.S. to work with Hungary’s government to resolve the security concerns. The official spoke anonymously...

Critics said the program allowed non-taxpaying ethnic Hungarians residing in other countries to vote in Hungarian elections, giving Orban’s ruling Fidesz party an electoral edge...

Hungary’s government responded to the restrictions Tuesday in a statement from the Interior Ministry.

The statement said the United States had demanded the personal data of ethnic Hungarians abroad with dual citizenship, and that Hungary’s government was unwilling to provide that information in order to protect those citizens’ security.

“This is why President Joe Biden’s administration is now taking revenge on Hungarians,” the statement said.
sputnikglobe.com: Budapest Calls US's Request for Data on 900,000 Hungarians ‘Unprecedented’ (https://sputnikglobe.com/20230806/budapest-calls-uss-request-for-data-on-900000-hungarians-unprecedented-1112424910.html)

Yesterday
The United States’ demand to hand over the data of 900,000 Hungarian citizens living abroad is unprecedented and unrealistic, Hungarian Deputy Interior Minister Bence Retvari said on Sunday, adding that Budapest would not share the information to avoid putting its citizens in danger.

The main reason why Hungary has not agreed to hand over the data is security concerns, he added.

"Such a request for someone to hand over the data of several hundred thousand of its citizens is unprecedented, countries do not do this. Every country protects and safeguards the data of its citizens with legal guarantees, Hungary does the same. Nowhere in the world do they hand over data of this amount, it is an unrealistic request, other countries do not do it either," Retvari told Hungary's Kossuth Radio...

"You can see that in many cases, belonging to a different political camp and different world views — from the gender issue to migration and more recently wars — seem to outweigh the fact that the two countries are close allies," Retvari said.

"Hungary’s government responded... the United States had demanded the personal data of ethnic Hungarians abroad with dual citizenship"

But western FVEY Spy-Stasi thugs claim this is not how the modern western Stasi works, that they instead steal personal data of each other's citizens. So why did the US just not collect this information themselves per what the claim are their standard protocols instead of demanding the Hungarian state hand over the data of its citizens?