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Celtic Rogue
20th September 2010, 05:57 AM
In an article posted on yahoo the author says to... Do as your told... ask no questions... LOL What a bunch of crap!!! Here is the part that sticks in my craw...
First rule: don't argue.

"I get this all the time," said Karen Rittorno, a nine-year veteran with the Chicago Police Department. "'What are you stopping me for? I didn't do nothing.' If they try to take charge of the traffic stop, they're not going to get out of it without a ticket," she said. "We ask the questions, not them."

Accept that the police have caught you doing something that's against the law, such as speeding or gliding through a stop sign.

"All we do is react to what people do when you pull them over," said Dennis Fanning, a homicide detective and veteran officer with the Los Angeles Police Department. "We don't instigate the stuff, but we will react to you. The situation will escalate or de-escalate depending on how that person reacts."

To argue with cops is akin to calling them idiots. Don't do that. "That's implying that I pulled you over for no reason and that bothers me," Koep said.

So now its wrong to ask any questions when the jack boot thug is pulling you over... just submit or be sent to jail, tazed or beaten!

http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/110666/what-not-to-say-when-pulled-over-by-a-cop

What Not to Say When Pulled Over by a Cop
by Jennifer Waters
Sunday, September 19, 2010

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EmailPrint.In what he calls an "educational video" that's widely circulated on YouTube, comedian Chris Rock offers advice on what to do when you get pulled over for a traffic violation.

"Obey the law" he says. "Stop immediately" and "stay in your car with your hands on the wheel." Finally, "if your woman is mad at you, leave her at home. There's nothing she'd like to see more than you getting your [you-know-what] kicked."

It's a dead-on spoof of a hard truth: Respect authority. If you don't, you increase the odds of a pricey ticket.


"Everything in that video is absolutely true," said Sgt. Matthew Koep of the South Plainfield, N.J., Police Department. "It's funny, but it's accurate."

Citizens who are generally law-abiding are likely to come into contact with the police only under two circumstances: If you're a crime victim or you get pulled over for a traffic violation.

Police officers are not out to make your life miserable, but to make sure you're following the rules of the road and not endangering yourself or those around you.

With a few exceptions, and an egregious traffic violation is top among them, cops aren't mandated to write tickets. Most would rather send you on your way with a friendly warning -- that can save you time and money.

But handle the situation with an aggressive or arrogant attitude and you can expect to squeeze an expensive court date into your busy schedule.

Play Nice

First rule: don't argue.

"I get this all the time," said Karen Rittorno, a nine-year veteran with the Chicago Police Department. "'What are you stopping me for? I didn't do nothing.' If they try to take charge of the traffic stop, they're not going to get out of it without a ticket," she said. "We ask the questions, not them."

Accept that the police have caught you doing something that's against the law, such as speeding or gliding through a stop sign.

"All we do is react to what people do when you pull them over," said Dennis Fanning, a homicide detective and veteran officer with the Los Angeles Police Department. "We don't instigate the stuff, but we will react to you. The situation will escalate or de-escalate depending on how that person reacts."

To argue with cops is akin to calling them idiots. Don't do that. "That's implying that I pulled you over for no reason and that bothers me," Koep said.

Keep It Honest

Don't lie, either. Cops are trained to note the human characteristics of lying, including twitching and looking to the left, and they know the right questions to ask to suss out the truth.

Fanning estimates that nine out of 10 people lie to him. "It's an attack on our intelligence," he said.

Moreover, the truth can set you free. Koep recalled an incident when he pulled a young guy over for speeding.

"He looks straight at me and says, 'You know, officer, I wasn't even paying attention. I just had the best date of my life. I just met my future bride. I'm just on cloud nine right now.'

"The guy was completely serious," Koep said. "How are you going to write that guy up after that? Who makes that kind of stuff up?"

Of course, don't use pejoratives when addressing the police, unless you're eager for a ticket. But other words may backfire, too. Rittorno works in a crime-ridden section of Chicago where the majority of people she pulls over for traffic violations don't have licenses or insurance, she said.

"So I get a lot of, 'I'm sorry, baby. I didn't mean it, sweetheart,'" she said. "I hate being called 'baby' or 'sweetheart.' I'm 'officer' to you.''

The police don't like being talked over, either. "Be polite," said Chicago Officer Mike Thomas. "You have your rights as a citizen, too, but it doesn't do you any good to talk while he's talking."

Cops know that people are nervous when they get pulled over, and they expect a certain amount of jumpiness when they approach a car. Rittorno even admitted she's intimidated in the same situation. "I'm the police and I get scared if I get pulled over," she said.

But did you know they're on edge, too? You know who they are, but they don't know whether you're a good guy or a bad guy. "The only thing on his mind when he approaches you is safety," Thomas said. "You know you don't have a gun in your lap, but the officer doesn't know it."

Rittorno, for one, said she assumes everyone has a gun. "I'm always on 10," she said, referring to her high level of vigilance. "I take it down depending on their demeanor or what I see."

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Stay Calm

When those headlights go on, it's best to pull the car to the right, stay in the car, turn the interior lights on if it's dark and put your hands on the steering wheel.

Don't make any quick movements, and don't turn to grab your purse or put your hands in your pocket or under your seat to retrieve your license -- until the officer instructs you to. Then, do it slowly.

Don't move to open the glove box either, until directed. And do that slowly, too. Let the police shine a light inside the box before you reach in. Many criminals hide guns in glove boxes.

"What's going to cause the situation to get worse is for the fear factor to rise in that officer," Koep said. "The officer is more likely to cut you a break as long as you can reduce that fear. …If you're friendly with me, not arguing or denying what happened, that lowers the fear factor and will make me a lot more cooperative with you."

Don't boast about who you know, either. That can infuriate cops. They consider it a veiled threat to their livelihoods. Fortunately, most municipalities have laws in place to insure that an officer is not fired or reprimanded for ticketing, say, the mayor's daughter.

Finally, never try to buy off a cop. "In those instances where they've offered me a bribe," Fanning said. "I loved making those arrests."

Jennifer Waters is a MarketWatch reporter, based in Chicago.

palani
20th September 2010, 06:06 AM
You might ask them for a business card as all they want to do is engage you in commerce.

Rather than place yourself at risk just be nice and sign the ticket. You have 72 hours to abate the nuisance.

Silver Shield
20th September 2010, 06:08 AM
Good info.
Don't treat every tool of the state as if the were David Rockefeller.
They are most likely victims of the same paradigm you live in.

If you are arrested the game changes dramatically.

Nobody talks, everyone walks.

If a cop asks you anything including" would you like a glass of water" you answer I would like to see my lawyer.

sirgonzo420
20th September 2010, 06:48 AM
You might ask them for a business card as all they want to do is engage you in commerce.

Rather than place yourself at risk just be nice and sign the ticket. You have 72 hours to abate the nuisance.


Don't hold out - tell 'em how!

po boy
20th September 2010, 07:35 AM
Whatever you do don't say your sorry...LOL
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C_zEuk6fvU&feature=player_embedded

palani
20th September 2010, 07:37 AM
If a cop asks you anything including" would you like a glass of water" you answer I would like to see my lawyer.

The lawyer will damage you more than the cop would.

palani
20th September 2010, 07:40 AM
Don't hold out - tell 'em how!

Boilerplate.

http://usa-the-republic.com/abatements/Abate_0.pdf

http://www.suijurisclub.net/travel/7423-korgroths-abatement.html

Time is essential. After 72 hours of silence you agree to everything. After this time period you don't argue with any hope of winning. Just pay up as you agreed to.

General of Darkness
20th September 2010, 08:34 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

Awoke
20th September 2010, 09:01 AM
Fuck cops.

I hate cops as much as Wildcard and Phoenix hate blacks.

http://www.policebrutality.info/ <-- lot's of example there...

mrnhtbr2232
20th September 2010, 09:34 AM
One of the biggest markers that tells me America is finished is what has happened to the police. It was only 30 years ago when cops were still operating under the auspices of public service, not public safety. With technology and the adulteration of security as a marketplace it's no wonder they have become the enemy. Single-bid contracts from the Feds have put armor, semi auto rifles, and advanced tactical toys into the hands of every hayseed and meathead out there. The esprit de corps of departments far and wide now is all about "we all go home at the end of the day" - this chilling reality means if going home includes putting a bullet through you, your family, your dog, or your friends, well hey, that's Ok because internal affairs will always have your back. I can admit that at one time in my life I actually respected law enforcement as the good guys. Those days are long gone. Now the only good cops are the ones you never have to make contact with.

crazychicken
20th September 2010, 10:23 AM
When I was in high school and getting ready to get on with it--My father gave me advice that I passed on to my daughter.

"Every police officer is named SIR. Older or younger than you, man or woman. All of their names are SIR. The minute you forget that you are looking for trouble. The place to argue is in court. The place to get damaged is on the street."

Sage advice as far as I am concerned.

CC

TheNocturnalEgyptian
20th September 2010, 10:42 AM
I'm never rude to cops, but I'm genuinely surprised when they wonder why my generation hates them.

k-os
20th September 2010, 01:21 PM
When I was in high school and getting ready to get on with it--My father gave me advice that I passed on to my daughter.

"Every police officer is named SIR. Older or younger than you, man or woman. All of their names are SIR. The minute you forget that you are looking for trouble. The place to argue is in court. The place to get damaged is on the street."

Sage advice as far as I am concerned.

CC


I don't know . . . I think if you called one of those butchy women "sir", you'd be asking for some new bracelets, somehow.

Dogman
20th September 2010, 01:29 PM
When I was in high school and getting ready to get on with it--My father gave me advice that I passed on to my daughter.

"Every police officer is named SIR. Older or younger than you, man or woman. All of their names are SIR. The minute you forget that you are looking for trouble. The place to argue is in court. The place to get damaged is on the street."

Sage advice as far as I am concerned.

CC


I don't know . . . I think if you called one of those butchy women "sir", you'd be asking for some new bracelets, somehow.


Sorry K-os !

I tried but could not resist ..

Officer would you care for a brownie ?

:imskerd:

Liquid
20th September 2010, 02:16 PM
Whether you like it or not, if you argue, disagree, or even make excuses during a traffic stop. You are actually asking the cop for a ticket.

A ticket is not an admission of guilt, it's asking the cop to go to the courtroom and argue over the stop. The cop would be happy to oblige you, since it's overtime, and our taxes all pay for it. ;)

A traffic stop, is not the time to argue. A cop will not do it, because the longer he is on the stop, the more of a safety issue the stop becomes. Trafffics stops are the most dangerous encounters for cops. Too many cops have been killed by the distraction of an argument, while a passenger is reaching for a gun.

If you argue or disagree, here's the ticket. The cop is thinking, "Sure, I'd be happy to discuss this with you, but now is not the time. Let's do this in traffic court, where neither one of us has guns, it's safe, and not on the street."

The goal of the officer, is to get your driver's license, reg/insurance, etc...and get back to his car in the shortest amount of time. To run it through the system. The quicker that goes, the less chance of getting a ticket. In fact, you may even get an apology from a cop. Tell them as they hand you back your info back..."I stop you because of the taillight, get it fixed. However the real reason was because your car matches a robbery that just took place. Sorry for the inconvenience."

If you get pulled over by a highway patrol, or state trooper, you are going to get a ticket however. That's just what they do, fund the state with our bad driving. ;)

General of Darkness
20th September 2010, 02:17 PM
When I was in high school and getting ready to get on with it--My father gave me advice that I passed on to my daughter.

"Every police officer is named SIR. Older or younger than you, man or woman. All of their names are SIR. The minute you forget that you are looking for trouble. The place to argue is in court. The place to get damaged is on the street."

Sage advice as far as I am concerned.

CC


I don't know . . . I think if you called one of those butchy women "sir", you'd be asking for some new bracelets, somehow.


Sorry K-os !

I tried but could not resist ..

Officer would you care for a brownie and some porn ?

:imskerd:



FIXED

Dogman
20th September 2010, 02:30 PM
When I was in high school and getting ready to get on with it--My father gave me advice that I passed on to my daughter.

"Every police officer is named SIR. Older or younger than you, man or woman. All of their names are SIR. The minute you forget that you are looking for trouble. The place to argue is in court. The place to get damaged is on the street."

Sage advice as far as I am concerned.

CC


I don't know . . . I think if you called one of those butchy women "sir", you'd be asking for some new bracelets, somehow.


Sorry K-os !

I tried but could not resist ..

Officer would you care for a brownie and some porn ?

:imskerd:



FIXED


General

I see you are not taking any prisoners today!


:ROFL:

Joe King
20th September 2010, 05:23 PM
Whether you like it or not, if you argue, disagree, or even make excuses during a traffic stop. You are actually asking the cop for a ticket.
I had an interesting encounter with a police officer recently where I disagreed and didn't get a ticket after having been repeatedly threatened with one.

He told me to not do something. I refused his request and started quoting State law. He then kept rudely interrupting me, asking if I wanted a ticket and I just kept quoting law back to him. lol
He finally just drove away, and I continued on my way to Taco Bell. The whole encounter was surreal.

What it came down to was that he knew I wasn't actually doing anything illegal and that he had simply been trying to throw his authority around and happened to pick someone who knew the law in question better than he did.

IMHO, the police count on you being ignorant of the law and of your Rights and use that ignorance to their advantage.



If you get pulled over by a highway patrol, or state trooper, you are going to get a ticket however. That's just what they do, fund the state with our bad driving. ;)

The nicest police officer I've ever had to deal with was a State Trooper. He was also the only police officer I've ever dealt with that actually gave me a written warning. It really surprised me, because he could have easily written me a ticket.

That guy truly was "officer friendly" if there ever was such a thing. Very professional, too.


These were just two of my experiences with officers. Your milage may vary.

Liquid
20th September 2010, 05:39 PM
What it came down to was that he knew I wasn't actually doing anything illegal and that he had simply been trying to throw his authority around and happened to pick someone who knew the law in question better than he did. written me a ticket.


He pulled you over because you violated a vehicle code. He could have written you a ticket for that. State law, arguments, etc..are beside the point.

You were pulled over for a reason. Detained, for some reason. Did he give you this reason?

This situation is very unique Joe. Most cops would have told you why they pulled you over. My guess was this was a rookie cop you had, and you flustered him. Well done, I suppose. I hope that cop is still alive.

Joe King
20th September 2010, 06:49 PM
What it came down to was that he knew I wasn't actually doing anything illegal and that he had simply been trying to throw his authority around and happened to pick someone who knew the law in question better than he did. written me a ticket.


He pulled you over because you violated a vehicle code. He could have written you a ticket for that. State law, arguments, etc..are beside the point.

You were pulled over for a reason. Detained, for some reason. Did he give you this reason?

This situation is very unique Joe. Most cops would have told you why they pulled you over. My guess was this was a rookie cop you had, and you flustered him. Well done, I suppose. I hope that cop is still alive.

He did tell me why, but his reason isn't actually illegal and he knew it, but had been simply trying to use his authority under color of law.

Police do that sometimes.
A good example that we've all seen is when they tell people that it's illegal to video tape in a public place.
That's what is called acting under color of law.
They're using their authority in a manner that is not 100% consistent with the law while relying on your ignorance of the law in order to get away with it.

I'm not saying that all police officers do that all the time, but it is a way that they can, in most cases, get people to do what they want them to do.
Because if you don't really know what the deal is, who the heck are you to talk back?

It just so happened that I knew for an absolute fact that I was on solid ground and I had no intention of backing down. Had I not been sure, I'd have caved.

Keep in mind that I'm not "anti-cop" like some people are. I just have a problem with them when they act outside of their actual authority.

Liquid
20th September 2010, 06:55 PM
Joe, color of law doesn't apply to traffic stops. There MUST be a violation of the vehicle code to justify the stop.

Joe King
20th September 2010, 07:07 PM
Joe, color of law doesn't apply to traffic stops. There MUST be a violation of the vehicle code to justify the stop.
Exactly my point. He was not justified and he knew it. Which is why is ended up just driving away.

Fortyone
20th September 2010, 07:13 PM
I bet your DHS badge helped too ;D

Joe King
20th September 2010, 07:27 PM
I bet your DHS badge helped too ;D
He had no idea who he was talking to, as it never got that far.

Dogman
20th September 2010, 07:31 PM
In this area it the cops stop you ,even if walking they will run you thru the data bases. They are id'ng every chance they get. Even everyone in a house if they can find reason to come to your door.

Sucks

Fortyone
20th September 2010, 07:31 PM
I bet your DHS badge helped too ;D
He had no idea who he was talking to, as it never got that far.



Joe, it was a JOKE,I know I dont make many of them but it was.

willie pete
20th September 2010, 07:38 PM
Joe, There MUST be a violation of the vehicle code to justify the stop.


:lol :lol :lol

Dogman
20th September 2010, 07:41 PM
Joe, There MUST be a violation of the vehicle code to justify the stop.


:lol :lol :lol


Its more what they think they can get away with. You would be amazed what they dream up.
You may not drive straight enough to suite them. and then they got you, to check you out.

Joe King
20th September 2010, 07:43 PM
I bet your DHS badge helped too ;D
He had no idea who he was talking to, as it never got that far.



Joe, it was a JOKE,I know I dont make many of them but it was.
Yea, I know you were joking. lol

Joe King
20th September 2010, 07:49 PM
Joe, There MUST be a violation of the vehicle code to justify the stop.


:lol :lol :lol


Its more what they think they can get away with. You would be amazed what they dream up.
You may not drive straight enough to suite them. and then they got you, to check you out.
The only reason they would do that is due to being so used to dealing with people who for the most part are ignorant of the law and their own Rights as well.

After so long of dealing with that, it'd be easy to just start assuming that everyone is a zombie and to bark orders accordingly.

palani
20th September 2010, 08:01 PM
After so long of dealing with that, it'd be easy to just start assuming that everyone is a zombie and to bark orders accordingly.

Due process requires THEM to give you NOTICE which endows you with a new RIGHT you did not previously have: you now have an unlimited right to INQUIRE. Proceed to start asking questions like a 2 year old and don't stop. The first direct statement you make terminates your right to INQUIRE, your due process is then complete and you proceed to HEARING where you will be convicted.

Another good one is to try to retain the ORIGINAL of the ticket. They only want you to have a copy.

willie pete
20th September 2010, 08:11 PM
Oh I know, by law, cops need to have a reason to stop you, and that reason can't even be "random" (says the SCOTUS in Delaware v Prous.... http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=440&invol=648) but in reality cops either "can" or "do" a lot, just like in Maryland I beleive, cops say you can't videotape or take pictures of cops performing their duties, seems they're siting wiretap laws as an umbrella protecting them(the cops) people are arrested that do, and sure you may win in court, but you were arrested so you're IN the system, so on that next traffic stop, when the cop runs your ID, you may be a little late for dinner :D