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Silver Rocket Bitches!
24th September 2010, 06:27 PM
if there was any doubt as to the police state we are currently immersed in...

The homes of five Twin Cities activists, including three prominent leaders of the Twin Cities antiwar movement, were raided Friday by the FBI in what an agency spokesman described as an "investigation into activities concerning the material support of terrorism." The office of an antiwar organization also was reportedly raided.

An FBI spokesman Steve Warfield confirmed that warrants were issued on six Minneapolis addresses this morning.

Among the homes raided were the apartments of Jessica Sundin, who was a principal leader of the mass antiwar march of 10,000 on the opening day of the Republican National Convention two years ago, and Mick Kelly, who was prominent in that protest and among those who announced plans to march on the Democratic National Convention in Minneapolis, if the city is selected to host it in 2012. Neither has been arrested.

more: http://www.startribune.com/local/103716104.html?elr=KArksUUUycaEacyU

Dogman
24th September 2010, 06:41 PM
They did the same during Vietnam, Infiltrated or tried to every anti war group then.
The who routine,

Nothing new here move along..


8)

EE_
24th September 2010, 06:42 PM
Ah, the all encompassing term "terrorism"
They are raiding non-violent people while Mexican drug wars rage on the border. The terrorist from Mexico that are known to be killing thousands, including leo's and government officials, are just common criminals.

hoarder
24th September 2010, 07:55 PM
They did the same during Vietnam, Infiltrated or tried to every anti war group then.
I didn't know that. I always found it interesting that during the Vietnam War the fashion police made it fashionable to display "PEACE" signs, yet they never made it fashionable during any Mid-East conflicts.

Dogman
24th September 2010, 08:06 PM
I didn't know that. I always found it interesting that during the Vietnam War the fashion police made it fashionable to display "PEACE" signs, yet they never made it fashionable during any Mid-East conflicts.


Yes you make a good point. Think one of the differences is with Vietnam the draft was in place and kids were dieing over there for a reason that a bunch of people could not see. And on hind sight we should never have gotten in it.

With the gulf wars because of 9/11 the people were angry and wanted to strike back. I saw no problem with going into Afghanistan, But I saw a big problem with Iraq , but to most people they bought into bushes hard on for Hussein. So there was support for that conflict. All in my mind all bush was wanting was to finish what his father did not. His father had more sense.
Vietnam I was spit on and called names coming home. And even if it is wrong that our troops are over in the mid-east now, and even for the wrong reasons . at least the people now show compassion and support for the troops . Unlike my war.

I hope this helps some.

madfranks
25th September 2010, 09:33 AM
Antiwar Protesters = Enemy Belligerents

Enemy Belligerent, Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010 (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s3081/show)

Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010 - Requires an individual who is suspected of engaging in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners through an act of terrorism and who may be an unprivileged enemy belligerent to be placed in military custody for purposes of initial interrogation and determination of status... Allows the detention of an unprivileged enemy belligerent without criminal charges or trial for the duration of hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners in which the individual has engaged or which the individual has purposely and materially supported.

Bigjon
26th September 2010, 09:38 AM
I didn't know that. I always found it interesting that during the Vietnam War the fashion police made it fashionable to display "PEACE" signs, yet they never made it fashionable during any Mid-East conflicts.


Yes you make a good point. Think one of the differences is with Vietnam the draft was in place and kids were dieing over there for a reason that a bunch of people could not see. And on hind sight we should never have gotten in it.

With the gulf wars because of 9/11 the people were angry and wanted to strike back. I saw no problem with going into Afghanistan, But I saw a big problem with Iraq , but to most people they bought into bushes hard on for Hussein. So there was support for that conflict. All in my mind all bush was wanting was to finish what his father did not. His father had more sense.
Vietnam I was spit on and called names coming home. And even if it is wrong that our troops are over in the mid-east now, and even for the wrong reasons . at least the people now show compassion and support for the troops . Unlike my war.

I hope this helps some.




That is the "official" story.

The "news" media leads the people around by the nose telling us we were angry and most buy the line and can't abide not being in line with "everyone" else.

gunDriller
26th September 2010, 10:04 AM
That is the "official" story.

The "news" media leads the people around by the nose telling us we were angry and most buy the line and can't abide not being in line with "everyone" else.


i'm afraid that is the response of many Americans to anti-war protests.

i went to protest at the 2001 Academy Awards, to protest the sElection of pResident Bush. also an antiwar protest in SF in 2005 and some other antiwar vigils in Sonoma County.

i have told my family etc. about this and the response is generally one of disapproval. like, "what you doing that crazy sh*t for ?"

as far as the FBI treatment of the protesters, my sense of the general public's response is, "that's what you get for going to protests".

i think most members of the general public see people protesting and think, "i would never do that. they got what they deserve."

Fortyone
26th September 2010, 10:18 AM
"Protesting" is a sign that you think the system still works.Therefore dont bitch when they bust your heads. The system is designed this way, they piss you off, you protest, they beat your ass.I dont want to be cynical but thats the truth.I dont find protesters that get martyred as heros either.You know whats going to happen, why bother?,let it implode and start over.

Bigjon
26th September 2010, 10:54 AM
Most people don't have a mind.

I find most people wait and see what the opinion makers tell them and that becomes their position. If the opinion makers say torture is good the people say torture is a necessity.

I have some good church going neighbors who think that they think, but are just echo's of their hero's. They are completely lacking morals of their own.

Heimdhal
26th September 2010, 01:11 PM
Most people don't have a mind.

I find most people wait and see what the opinion makers tell them and that becomes their position. If the opinion makers say torture is good the people say torture is a necessity.

I have some good church going neighbors who think that they think, but are just echo's of their hero's. They are completely lacking morals of their own.




"most people are other people. Their thoughts some one elses opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation"

-Wilde