Toilet Paper Sabotage

[Sparky]

I was adding a 6-pack of toilet paper (otherwise know as "Ponce fiat") to the closet tonight, and observed that the new pack was noticeably shorter than the other packs. Sure enough, Scott's had decreased the width from 4.5" to 4.1". Dang! I did a quick search, and found that Charmin and Quilted Northern had also decreased their width from the standard 4.5". This is an outrage!

Turns out there's a site called The Consumerist (byline: Shoppers bite back) that tracks the reduction in product sizes. They mockingly call it the "Grocery Shrink Ray". I found the disclosure/discussion on TP size here, dated 8/24/10:

http://consumerist.com/2010/08/grocery-shrink-ray-zaps-scott-toilet-paper.html

They compute that the reduced width results in 8.3% less total area for the same price. This is yet another "end around" to hide inflation and reduced standard of living. Are we going to take this smaller toilet paper sitting down? ;)

[Olmstein]

I'm going to buy a bidet and cut out the middleman.

[Ponce]

All my 1,876 rolls are nothing but first class ;D.........soon you will se the same thing happening to can goods and or what's inside........instead of having six Vienna Sousage inside it will have only five

[Serpo]

All my 1,876 rolls are nothing but first class ;D.........soon you will se the same thing happening to can goods and or what's inside........instead of having six Vienna Sousage inside it will have only five


When you end up with only one baked bean in a can of bean we will be f#%ked

[1970 silver art]

This is the first time that I heard of that but I am not too surprised at that. Getting less of a given product and paying the same price for it. At worst, getting less of a given product and paying more for it.

[1970 silver art]

All my 1,876 rolls are nothing but first class ;D.........soon you will se the same thing happening to can goods and or what's inside........instead of having six Vienna Sousage inside it will have only five


I suspect that manufacturers of certain food products have been doing this for while. I have heard of that happening with, for example, boxed food products from certain brand names. Honestly, I have not been paying much attention but I guess I have better start paying attention to that. Unless you are specifically looking for the decrease in volume size on the box, the decrease in the volume of a boxed food product, such as dry pasta, can be hard to notice if the volume decrease is small in most cases. I guess it just depends on the product and the initial size of the boxed food product.

[Shorty Harris]

I noticed the TP Shrinkage about 6 mos ago, I think I even posted a blurb about it of at old GIM. The other 3 types of products that have been seriously downsized are ice cream and boxed cereals, & Coffee. Hell, try and find a 5 lb can of coffee anymore, for that matter, try to even find a 3lb can. Most have gone down to a 34.5 oz can.

One of the dead give aways of downsizing is to look at the shape of the product, if the packaging is tapered...particularly noticeable in ice cream. In many bottled products such as juice, shampoo, applesauce, whatever..packaged it either plastic or glass, Look at the shape, look at the bottom, is it still flat, or is it concave?

Another thing they do is that they package the products in metric size, not only does that confuse the consumer but it also allows for the smaller quantity due to the closest metric equivalent being smaller.

So, lower quality ingredients, more packaging, less product..They got us by the short hairs boys N girls...or so they think

[sunnyandseventy]

I noticed this at my ex girlfriends in Canada last year. Thought it was just metric toilet paper.
Guess I'll just show them and start using paper towels!

[gunDriller]

I was adding a 6-pack of toilet paper (otherwise know as "Ponce fiat") to the closet tonight, and observed that the new pack was noticeably shorter than the other packs. Sure enough, Scott's had decreased the width from 4.5" to 4.1". Dang! I did a quick search, and found that Charmin and Quilted Northern had also decreased their width from the standard 4.5". This is an outrage!

especially if, when you're using it, you get brown stuff on your hands. :o

[mamboni]

Buttler says the ATP ratio is at an all-time historic highs, at a time when above-ground inventories are completely depleted. This could be a big opportunity.

[Neuro]

Buttler says the ATP ratio is at an all-time historic highs, at a time when above-ground inventories are completely depleted. This could be a big opportunity.
Anyone know of a method to make FRN's softer and fluffier? I refuse to go to Ponce and pay a Silver round for a roll!

[cedarchopper]

Buttler...ATP ratio? Hmmm, that wouldn't be Ass To Paper ratio, would it? :o

[still afloat]

Yep , realy sucks here cause the holder I have has the spring loaded piece on each side that goes in to hold the TP and not the full width tube . Guess what the rolls are now too short to stay in the holder .
So now I have to take the brackets off the base , redrill the holes and move them in to the correct size and then bitch when the next brand on sale at a price you can't pass up is back to the full size.
Funny the paper gets smaller as the American a$$ gets bigger.

[Dogman]

Yep , really sucks here cause the holder I have has the spring loaded piece on each side that goes in to hold the TP and not the full width tube . Guess what the rolls are now too short to stay in the holder .
So now I have to take the brackets off the base , re drill the holes and move them in to the correct size and then bitch when the next brand on sale at a price you can't pass up is back to the full size.
Funny the paper gets smaller as the American a$$ gets bigger.



The t/p and other company's are starting to use the model the government has been using for years.

;D

[Neuro]

It could be due to consumer demand, with swelling butt-cheaks some may have problems squeezing in the wide TP to the core... Expect TP to get thinner until it is like dental floss...

[Serpo]

One thing they have done is make the card board round in the middle larger so the roll still looks basically the same size but has a bigger hollow in the middle.

[Dogman]

One thing they have done is make the card board round in the middle larger so the roll still looks basically the same size but has a bigger hollow in the middle.




Another trick they use and most buy into it is the "softness" trick, when they make the rolls , they roll them loose, instead of tight, the loose ones have less paper on them. If you squeeze the roll even the core gives. >:(

Only buy firm rolls here. ;D

Ponce is your stash loose rolls or tight? More value in the tight ones.. :lol

[joe_momma]

Umm Ponce -

What is the ratio of TP to Silver - A quick guess puts it around 30,000 sheets to 1 oz Ag -

Will we have to change the board to Gold-Silver-TP US Forum?

;D

[mamboni]

Buttler...ATP ratio? Hmmm, that wouldn't be Ass To Paper ratio, would it? :o


You are correct Sir!! ATP = Ass [width] to Toilet Paper [width] ratio. It is at an all time historic high. We expect the trend to continue and foresee a day when a roll of plush wide toilet paper will purchase a fine gentleman's suit, and a belt and shoes!

[Playswithfire]

The first thing I thought of when I saw the title of this thread was this picture I took.
I call it the rug surfing and speed toilet paper unrolling cat olympics. :ROFL:

[bellevuebully]

Downsizing the product is the first trick. The second is upping the size if the money to trick the sheep into thinking they're getting A LOT of money. ;D

[Playswithfire]

Interesting though. I buy Charmin Ultra Strong and it says right on the packaging, "NEW, roll fit guarantee".

[Serpo]

Well folks ,it looks obvious after summing all this up is that they can tamper with the roll,they can tamper with the dough but they cant tamper with the gold and silver .An ounce is an ounce.

They have tried to tamper with gold and silver by turning it into paper of course.

[mamboni]

From the position paper 'ATP Bulletin:'

Investors should consider converting a portion of their silver and gold holdings into TP in order to take advantage of this massive movement. Our model has excreted the following graphic to illustrate that this investment may be the mother load (pun intended)!

[Dogman]

From the position paper 'ATP Bulletin:'

Investors should consider converting a portion of their silver and gold holdings into TP in order to take advantage of this massive movement. Our model has excreted the following graphic to illustrate that this investment may be the mother load (pun intended)!





PONCE !!


TORPEDO'S IN THE WATER!!


:ROFL:

[the white rabbit]

Hey Spark I thought you might need some Bum wipe. You must be crapping yourself watching gold blast past 1300. You still short ? Guess you did not read my thread ? Rabbit knows time !!!! http://gold-silver.us/forum/gold-silver-precious-metals/to-all-who-sold-in-may/msg99332/#msg99332

[Serpo]

From the position paper 'ATP Bulletin:'

Investors should consider converting a portion of their silver and gold holdings into TP in order to take advantage of this massive movement. Our model has excreted the following graphic to illustrate that this investment may be the mother load (pun intended)!




I see they are making the chairs smaller also

[Sparky]

Hey Spark I thought you might need some Bum wipe. You must be crapping yourself watching gold blast past 1300. You still short ? Guess you did not read my thread ? Rabbit knows time !!!! http://gold-silver.us/forum/gold-silver-precious-metals/to-all-who-sold-in-may/msg99332/#msg99332


Whenever I get too "bummed out" (to keep in the spirit of this thread), I clink around a handful of silver rounds, or fondle a GAE. Shorting gold ETFs is fleeting (ha, also in the spirit of this TP thread!), but the physical stack remains the same!

[Hatha Sunahara]

If FRNs were softer, they might become a good cheaper substitute. I recently bought a Costco pack of 36 rolls for $18.99. That's 53 cents a roll. I'm working on calculating the breakeven point where I would be indifferent between wiping with TP or with FRNs. That might be at about $100 a roll, or $3600 for a Costco package. We might get there if gold goes to $50,000 an ounce. In the meantime, while we're waiting, I would suggest that the TP manufacturers put images of the FRN on their product. Just to get us used to it. That way they can cut the width of a roll to 2.5 inches, which would make it exactly the width of the FRN. But that implies that the Federal Reserve would be more useful as a TP manufacturer than what they currently do.


Hatha

[bellevuebully]

You'll know we're in the very last stages when hookers start offering smaller, tighter packages. ;D

[1970 silver art]

Certain OJ companies have reduced their product to 59 oz. from 64. The list goes on and on.



Yep. I usually do not but cartons of oj, however, that last carton of Tropicana OJ that I bought was 59 oz instead of 64 oz. I paid the same price for less oj. That sucks. I usually buy the 128-oz size jug of Tropicana OJ but they did not reduce the size of the 128-oz OJ jug.................yet. I am sure it is just a matter of time before they do.

[chad]

Certain OJ companies have reduced their product to 59 oz. from 64. The list goes on and on.



Yep. I usually do not but cartons of oj, however, that last carton of Tropicana OJ that I bought was 59 oz instead of 64 oz. I paid the same price for less oj. That sucks. I usually buy the 128-oz size jug of Tropicana OJ but they did not reduce the size of the 128-oz OJ jug.................yet. I am sure it is just a matter of time before they do.



as soon as they run out of 128 ounce cartons you are screwed. ;D

[1970 silver art]

Certain OJ companies have reduced their product to 59 oz. from 64. The list goes on and on.



Yep. I usually do not but cartons of oj, however, that last carton of Tropicana OJ that I bought was 59 oz instead of 64 oz. I paid the same price for less oj. That sucks. I usually buy the 128-oz size jug of Tropicana OJ but they did not reduce the size of the 128-oz OJ jug.................yet. I am sure it is just a matter of time before they do.



as soon as they run out of 128 ounce cartons you are screwed. ;D


That would indeed be very sad for me when the day comes that there are no 128-oz cartons of oj left for me to buy and drink. That would be an epic bummer for me.

[lapis]

The other 3 types of products that have been seriously downsized are ice cream and boxed cereals, & Coffee.

And meat, especially bacon! They add so much water that a pound of cooked bacon is a fraction of the size it was in the package. This is one of my pet peeves, grrrrr.

I've had this empty yogurt container I've been using for years to store various hair products. It used to hold 2 lbs.

[MNeagle]

Re: Bacon. Buy the pre-cooked kind. I wasn't a believer until it was pointed out to me to compare the per piece price, instead of per pound. Huge difference.

Less than a minute in the microwave, no muss, no fuss. Absolutely love it. Costco carries Hormel & it's fantastic.

[lapis]

Re: Bacon. Buy the pre-cooked kind. I wasn't a believer until it was pointed out to me to compare the per piece price, instead of per pound. Huge difference.

Less than a minute in the microwave, no muss, no fuss. Absolutely love it. Costco carries Hormel & it's fantastic.


Really? I'll have to check it out. I absolutely looove bacon.

But water is also added to ham, sausage, and fresh chickens. Be sure to check the label.

[SeekYeFirst]

If FRNs were softer, they might become a good cheaper substitute. I recently bought a Costco pack of 36 rolls for $18.99. That's 53 cents a roll. I'm working on calculating the breakeven point where I would be indifferent between wiping with TP or with FRNs. That might be at about $100 a roll, or $3600 for a Costco package. We might get there if gold goes to $50,000 an ounce. In the meantime, while we're waiting, I would suggest that the TP manufacturers put images of the FRN on their product. Just to get us used to it. That way they can cut the width of a roll to 2.5 inches, which would make it exactly the width of the FRN. But that implies that the Federal Reserve would be more useful as a TP manufacturer than what they currently do.


Hatha

FIgure out how much it costs in water and soap to wash a bill. Reusable TP.

[mick silver]

when everyone in this country start using there hand to clean there ass then we can put there assses out of business

[Ponce]

Now you know why I so proud of my tp ;D, my tp is my standard in order to judge everythig else and when I so the new price and size I knew that I had a winner.........

That fat lady on the chair? she would be a two silver rounds at one sitting ;D

[mamboni]

Now you know why I so proud of my tp ;D, my tp is my standard in order to judge everythig else and when I so the new price and size I knew that I had a winner.........

That fat lady on the chair? she would be a two silver rounds at one sitting ;D


Yes Ponce, your toilet paper has made quite the impression. But, size isn't everything.

[Ponce]

Hey Doc? thank for the use of "your" pump but even that no longer would work with me :oo-->