The Left Right Paradigm is Over: Its You vs. Corporations

[PatColo]

The Left Right Paradigm is Over: Its You vs. Corporations (http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/09/you-vs-corporations)

By Barry Ritholtz - September 27th, 2010, 9:30AM

Every generation or so, a major secular shift takes place that shakes up the existing paradigm. It happens in industry, finance, literature, sports, manufacturing, technology, entertainment, travel, communication, etc.

I would like to discuss the paradigm shift that is occurring in politics.

For a long time, American politics has been defined by a Left/Right dynamic. It was Liberals versus Conservatives on a variety of issues. Pro-Life versus Pro-Choice, Tax Cuts vs. More Spending, Pro-War vs Peaceniks, Environmental Protections vs. Economic Growth, Pro-Union vs. Union-Free, Gay Marriage vs. Family Values, School Choice vs. Public Schools, Regulation vs. Free Markets.

The new dynamic, however, has moved past the old Left Right paradigm. We now live in an era defined by increasing Corporate influence and authority over the individual. These two “interest groups” – I can barely suppress snorting derisively over that phrase – have been on a headlong collision course for decades, which came to a head with the financial collapse and bailouts. Where there is massive concentrations of wealth and influence, there will be abuse of power. The Individual has been supplanted in the political process nearly entirely by corporate money, legislative influence, campaign contributions, even free speech rights.

This may not be a brilliant insight, but it is surely an overlooked one. It is now an Individual vs. Corporate debate – and the Humans are losing.

Consider: MORE (http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/09/you-vs-corporations) (including 172 reader comments at this writing)

[keehah]

AKA Empathy vs. Psychopathy.

(corporations are psychopathic structures and exceptions tend fall to those that are)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

Researcher Robert Hare, whose Hare Psychopathy Checklist is widely used, describes psychopaths as "intraspecies predators". Also R.I. Simon uses the word predator to describe psychopaths. Elsewhere Hare and others write that psychopaths "use charisma, manipulation, intimidation, sexual intercourse and violence" to control others and to satisfy their own needs. Hare states that: "Lacking in conscience and empathy, they take what they want and do as they please, violating social norms and expectations without guilt or remorse". He previously stated that: "What is missing, in other words, are the very qualities that allow a human being to live in social harmony".

[Hatha Sunahara]

I've abandoned the left-right paradigm for politics for many years now. I simply turned it 90 degrees. For me now, it is the top-bottom paradigm in a pyramid structure. This paradigm does not recognize 'dialog', nor does it respect reason or logic. It assumes that the people on top get to tell the people in the bottom what to do. When things go wrong, all the responsibility is thrown back to the people on the bottom. When things go right, the people on top take all the profits and all the credit. There is no such thing as 'fairness' in this paradigm. It is a dog eat dog world. The only people comfortable with it are slaves and sociopaths. This may be what you call 'you vs the corporations, Pat Colo, but I see it in much starker terms. It's the rich versus everybody else. It's what I call 'dollar democracy' where one $ = one vote. And if you owe money, your creditors get to cast your votes. This suits lot of people on the bottom just fine. They only need to do what they were trained for in the public schools--conform and obey, and work. They never have to think for themselves, and most like that just fine. The problem we are having now is that the people on top don't recognize any limits for greed. Because after all, greed is good. Greed is redemption.

Hatha

[PatColo]

This may be what you call 'you vs the corporations, Pat Colo, but I see it in much starker terms. It's the rich versus everybody else.


it is the rich v everyone else, bear in mind corporate entities were invented to "LIMIT LIABILITY" aka protect the personal wealth of the "risk taking corporate capitalist" from negative outcomes of their corporate entity's activities.

[illumin19]

I was just talking about this sort of left/right paradigm.......and how I was glad and almost joyful when I heard that Obama got elected......BEAR WITH ME A MIN.


I was glad because maybe......just maybe.....the sheeple would finally see/understand that it doesn't matter this whole "democrat/republican" this party that party and all the promises in the world to do such and such.........all the incumbents can do squat and the real policies won't change just because of a president in the white house changed....especially since it's not even your votes that decide who's elected (president) anyway! It has always been those with the bank/money.

Rant over.....

[palani]

The Left Right Paradigm is Over: Its You vs. Corporations

Not exactly accurate. The paradigm is whether YOU are a corporation or not. If you receive mail from the government with your name in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS like this then they are addressing this communication to a corporation that THEY created.

If your social security card or state issued ID has your name IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS then you are acknowledging you are that corporation.

If any of these documents list your last name first, first name then middle initial or name then you are being addressed as a nom de guerre or your WAR NAME. This is how dead bodies being shipped back from war are listed.

[chad]

for fucks sake, capital letters? really? really?

give me a fucking break already.

[Herbicidal]

Yes, Chad

Capital letters denote a corporation.... it's not a joke. The government's of Canada and the US and probably many other nations (Australia, New Zealand) have created artificial persons or corporations and they trick the general public into believing that the name on the piece of paper is yours. You never spelled your name in school in all capital letters. No where in the english language is all capital letter names allowed. The only time it is allowed is when it is referring to another language, in this case it is a legal language. Legal language's have there own definitions and there own style.

If you look at many government agencies you will see that they are spelled out in all capital letters as well as most towns, cities etc.

[palani]

for f*cks sake, capital letters? really? really?

give me a f*cking break already.

Is this the CORPORATION talking?

[7th trump]

No, the all capital letter stuff is just crap.
You as a "US citizen" are a citizen of the "United States" which is a corporation, not you.
Theres a difference between "The United States of America" and "United States".
The "of America" is the states united forming a union.

If you want to really see whats going on in a laymans way go here.
State-citizen.org
Look around at the court cites and read what Mr. McDonald has to say about the 14th amendment. Hes about 95% correct!

Anyway this all cap name thing is bogus and just a bunch of disinformation spread by amature patriots who want to beleive in what they want to hear.

[palani]

Anyway this all cap name thing is bogus and just a bunch of disinformation spread by amature patriots who want to beleive in what they want to hear.

Not exactly bogus but don't expect any tally in the WIN column as a result of bringing up this material. Any legal scholar knows it so why would you bring it up as an argument?

You see what makes it not bogus is whether you BELIEVE it. IDEM SONANS (sounds the same) is an established legal principle.

[7th trump]

Anyway this all cap name thing is bogus and just a bunch of disinformation spread by amature patriots who want to beleive in what they want to hear.

Not exactly bogus but don't expect any tally in the WIN column as a result of bringing up this material. Any legal scholar knows it so why would you bring it up as an argument?

You see what makes it not bogus is whether you BELIEVE it. IDEM SONANS (sounds the same) is an established legal principle.

Its pretty simple to figure out if you understand what a "US citizen" is from a "state-citizen".
Heck even the Senate knows what the differences are.............................its all in the rights each can access.
Does the "Bill of Rights" IDEM SONANS as "Civil Rights".
Does an act of Congress IDEM SONANS as a ratification of the US Constitution?
Figure those out and you are on your way to not sounding like a big winded amature (IDEM SONANS) who wants to beleive what you want to hear.
Sorry I couldnt resist to respond to people who act as though they know something by using big words. Just camo to hide you know not what you are talking about.
I look at big fancy dancy words to neck tie's.................real easy to hang them with.

[palani]

Anyway this all cap name thing is bogus and just a bunch of disinformation spread by amature patriots who want to beleive in what they want to hear.

Not exactly bogus but don't expect any tally in the WIN column as a result of bringing up this material. Any legal scholar knows it so why would you bring it up as an argument?

You see what makes it not bogus is whether you BELIEVE it. IDEM SONANS (sounds the same) is an established legal principle.

Its pretty simple to figure out if you understand what a "US citizen" is from a "state-citizen".
Heck even the Senate knows what the differences are.............................its all in the rights each can access.
Does the "Bill of Rights" IDEM SONANS as "Civil Rights".
Does an act of Congress IDEM SONANS as a ratification of the US Constitution?
Figure those out and you are on your way to not sounding like a big winded amature (IDEM SONANS) who wants to beleive what you want to hear.
Sorry I couldnt resist to respond to people who act as though they know something by using big words.
I look at big fancy dancy words to neck tie's.................real easy to hang them with.


You haven't hung anyone but yourself so far. There are many layers to the deception and you haven't even scratched the surface. You will never be able to peel back all the layers if you believe just one guru. Each guru has a little piece of the puzzle. None has all of them yet.

[7th trump]

Anyway this all cap name thing is bogus and just a bunch of disinformation spread by amature patriots who want to beleive in what they want to hear.

Not exactly bogus but don't expect any tally in the WIN column as a result of bringing up this material. Any legal scholar knows it so why would you bring it up as an argument?

You see what makes it not bogus is whether you BELIEVE it. IDEM SONANS (sounds the same) is an established legal principle.

Its pretty simple to figure out if you understand what a "US citizen" is from a "state-citizen".
Heck even the Senate knows what the differences are.............................its all in the rights each can access.
Does the "Bill of Rights" IDEM SONANS as "Civil Rights".
Does an act of Congress IDEM SONANS as a ratification of the US Constitution?
Figure those out and you are on your way to not sounding like a big winded amature (IDEM SONANS) who wants to beleive what you want to hear.
Sorry I couldnt resist to respond to people who act as though they know something by using big words.
I look at big fancy dancy words to neck tie's.................real easy to hang them with.


You haven't hung anyone but yourself so far. There are many layers to the deception and you haven't even scratched the surface. You will never be able to peel back all the layers if you believe just one guru. Each guru has a little piece of the puzzle. None has all of them yet.

Yea I didnt think you knew anything.
There is no conspiracy except to not tell you what jurisdiction or what privileges you fall within when you apply for a ssn. But then again ignorance of the law is no excuse so you tell me.

Hey if you know it all then please tell us where the start of being taxed on your labor is?
I mean show us the statute in Title 26.
I know the exact statute, do you?
I can even reverse engineer the code and lead you right down how and why all these so called guru's failed. I studied them all and they all have one thing in common. They want all the benefits entitled to them (oops I gave let the cat out of the bag) without ever paying for them and now they sit in jail for trying to rip off the government when all they had to do is stop consenting, but no they know it all.........like you!

[palani]

Yea I didnt think you knew anything.
Who makes the claim that I know anything?


There is no conspiracy except to not tell you what jurisdiction or what privileges you fall within when you apply for a ssn. As your sentence lacks structure I will reserve a response until I find one.


But then again ignorance of the law is no excuse so you tell me. I doubt if I ever TOLD you that. What I was likely to tell you was the ENTIRE definition from common law which goes

Ignorance of law, consists in the want of knowledge of those laws which it is our duty to understand, and which every man is presumed to know.

As you can see the specification for ignorance of law includes both a DUTY and a PRESUMPTION. Later we can discuss the other aspects of ignorance.


Hey if you know it all then please tell us where the start of being taxed on your labor is?
I mean show us the statute in Title 26.
I know the exact statute, do you?I can even reverse engineer the code and lead you right down how and why all these so called guru's failed. As you have prefaced your request with a conditional that is false your request leads nowhere.


I studied them all and they all have one thing in common. They want all the benefits entitled to them (oops I gave let the cat out of the bag) without ever paying for them and now they sit in jail for trying to rip off the government when all they had to do is stop consenting, but no they know it all.........like you! Good to know you are so well studied. As every trespass is accompanied by a remedy would you care to divulge yours?

[Stop Making Cents]

Agree 100%.

The scary thing is that corporations are faceless, unaccountable entities that can get away with murder.

[palani]

Here is a corporation ... Congressman Rahm Emanuel

http://www.manta.com/c/mm53s5b/congressman-rahm-emanuel


Congressman Rahm Emanuel also does business as Congressman Rod R Blagojevich, United States House Of Representatives .

Here is a DIFFERENT corporation .... Emanuel Rahm Congressman

http://www.manta.com/c/mmc7283/emanuel-rahm-congressman

Should you meet Mr Emanuel in a hallway and say "Hi" which corporation do you suppose is going to give you a high FIVE? When Mr. Blagojevich goes to jail do you suppose Mr Emanuel is going to sit in the same cell? Note this second CORPORATION has no ties to Mr Blagojevich.

If this keeps on they can play bridge and need only two chairs.

[Horn]

This suits lot of people on the bottom just fine. They only need to do what they were trained for in the public schools--conform and obey, and work. They never have to think for themselves, and most like that just fine. The problem we are having now is that the people on top don't recognize any limits for greed. Because after all, greed is good. Greed is redemption.

Hatha


A symbiosis between intellect & greed used to exist in corporate capitalism, sharks used to feed off of each other as far as intellectual property/patent infringements, and even in advertising really is a no brainer now a days. Higher level corporate & global trade laws have poisoned, or thinned those feeding grounds, made them impenetrable to those outside. Intellectually creative individuals were needed to feed that machine, and IMO the power inherit to those individuals would quell the "big bad greed".

Sharks that can't feed on each other, have no where else to feed but on the chums at the bottom. Its only a matter of time before starvation sets in.

[Hatha Sunahara]

I was just talking about this sort of left/right paradigm.......and how I was glad and almost joyful when I heard that Obama got elected......BEAR WITH ME A MIN.


I was glad because maybe......just maybe.....the sheeple would finally see/understand that it doesn't matter this whole "democrat/republican" this party that party and all the promises in the world to do such and such.........all the incumbents can do squat and the real policies won't change just because of a president in the white house changed....especially since it's not even your votes that decide who's elected (president) anyway! It has always been those with the bank/money.

Rant over.....


The USA is run by a secret government. That ruling entity transmits its desired policies through the Council for Foreign Relations, and through the secret societies that the elected members and their political appointees belong to. Do you remember what Obama said when he was asked if he belonged to the CFR? He denied that it had any significance, and he said he could only remember going to one meeting. Do you know where the crazy ideas come from, like giving the government the power to shut down the internet, and to infiltrate forums like this to root out domestic terrorists? Do you know where the drug war came from? Or the war on terror? Do you know the truth about 911? The secret government does. But you'll never be able to prove that any secret government exists--only that the people who run the known government belong to secret societies, and the trail will stop there. This is how TPTB control the government. The corporations control it through their lobbyists. Foreign powers control it through campaign contributions.

They control the issuance of money, so why should they care who makes the laws? They have corrupted those people with money. The same people own the mass media. They lull us to sleep, then do whatever they want, and pretend that the people have elected them and they have the support of the people. And most of us believe that BS. They ignore the will of the people. That is why we are in Afghanistan and Iraq and will never leave. It's not the US that is there. It is the secret government that is in Iraq and Afghanistan, using the resources of the USA, pretending it is in our national interest, pretending that there are real terrorists around who don't work for them.

Hatha

Hatha

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

No, the all capital letter stuff is just crap.
You as a "US citizen" are a citizen of the "United States" which is a corporation, not you.
Theres a difference between "The United States of America" and "United States".
The "of America" is the states united forming a union.

If you want to really see whats going on in a laymans way go here.
State-citizen.org
Look around at the court cites and read what Mr. McDonald has to say about the 14th amendment. Hes about 95% correct!

Anyway this all cap name thing is bogus and just a bunch of disinformation spread by amature patriots who want to beleive in what they want to hear.


As soon as you receive a SSN you assume representation of a fictitious entity. That is your strawman. This has been well documented and one would assume it was common knowledge around these parts. I guess I was wrong.

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-6526777574574871930&hl=en#

[7th trump]

Yea I didnt think you knew anything.
Who makes the claim that I know anything?


There is no conspiracy except to not tell you what jurisdiction or what privileges you fall within when you apply for a ssn. As your sentence lacks structure I will reserve a response until I find one.


But then again ignorance of the law is no excuse so you tell me. I doubt if I ever TOLD you that. What I was likely to tell you was the ENTIRE definition from common law which goes

Ignorance of law, consists in the want of knowledge of those laws which it is our duty to understand, and which every man is presumed to know.

As you can see the specification for ignorance of law includes both a DUTY and a PRESUMPTION. Later we can discuss the other aspects of ignorance.


Hey if you know it all then please tell us where the start of being taxed on your labor is?
I mean show us the statute in Title 26.
I know the exact statute, do you?I can even reverse engineer the code and lead you right down how and why all these so called guru's failed. As you have prefaced your request with a conditional that is false your request leads nowhere.


I studied them all and they all have one thing in common. They want all the benefits entitled to them (oops I gave let the cat out of the bag) without ever paying for them and now they sit in jail for trying to rip off the government when all they had to do is stop consenting, but no they know it all.........like you! Good to know you are so well studied. As every trespass is accompanied by a remedy would you care to divulge yours?

Wow just wow!
Theres a lot of ignorance and jousting in your post.
Hey, did you know that the Common law form which you think you know is too "harsh" for the civil law form.
When you volunteer your signiture on either a ssn card or signing the SS-5 form to apply for a ssn you are telling the government, by consent, that you want to be treated as a 14th amendment federal citizen of the corporate "United States" (in the American Roman Civil Law form). By volunteering so, you politically remove yourself from being the People (in the Common Law) of the United States of America to being a subject of theb federal government.
You painfully obviously never heard of the Buck Act have you?
If you have heard of it or even read it you would quickly realize that the US Constitution has restricted the federal government from reaching into the union states except for federal lands such as dock yards, railroads and millitary post and since 1868 the federal government had for the first time a subject that doesnt dwell, live on dock yards, railraods and millitary posts. The Buck Act was needed to bypass the restrictions of the Constitutions so the feds could control their new subjects.
You see, the "The State of Iowa" is politically different that the union state "Iowa". The "The State of Iowa" is the Buck Act overlay having the same boundries as the union state "Iowa".
Heres a little from State-citizen.org that I mentioned in a previous post.


You must live on land in one of the states in the Union of several states, not in any "Federal State" or "Federal area", nor can you be involved in any activity that would make you subject to "federal laws". You cannot have a valid Social Security Number, a "resident" driver's license, a motor vehicle registered in your name, a "federal" bank account, a Federal Register Account Number relating to Individual persons [SSN], (see Executive Order Number 9397, November 1943), or any other known "contract implied in fact" that would place you within any "Federal area" and thus within the territorial jurisdiction of the municipal laws of Congress. Remember, all acts of Congress are territorial in nature and only apply within the territorial jurisdiction of Congress. (See American Banana Co. v. United Fruit Co., 213 U.S. 347, 356-357 (1909); U.S. v. Spelar, 338 U.S. 217, 222, 94 L.Ed. 3, 70 S.Ct. 10 (1949); New York Central R.R. Co. v. Chisholm, 268 U.S. 29, 31-32, 69 L.Ed. 828, 45 S.Ct. 402 (1925).)

There has been created a fictional Federal "State within a state". See Howard v. Sinking Fund of Louisville, 344 U.S. 624, 73 S.Ct. 465, 476, 97 L.Ed. 617 (1953); Schwartz v. O'Hara TP. School Dist., 100 A. 2d. 621, 625, 375 Pa. 440. (Compare also 31 C.F.R. Parts 51.2 and 52.2, which also identify a fictional State within a state.) This fictional "State" is identified by the use of two-letter abbreviations like "CA", "AZ" and "TX", as distinguished from the authorized abbreviations like "Calif.", "Ariz." and "Tex.", etc. This fictional State also uses ZIP codes which are within the municipal, exclusive legislative jurisdiction of Congress.

[7th trump]

No, the all capital letter stuff is just crap.
You as a "US citizen" are a citizen of the "United States" which is a corporation, not you.
Theres a difference between "The United States of America" and "United States".
The "of America" is the states united forming a union.

If you want to really see whats going on in a laymans way go here.
State-citizen.org
Look around at the court cites and read what Mr. McDonald has to say about the 14th amendment. Hes about 95% correct!

Anyway this all cap name thing is bogus and just a bunch of disinformation spread by amature patriots who want to beleive in what they want to hear.


As soon as you receive a SSN you assume representation of a fictitious entity. That is your strawman. This has been well documented and one would assume it was common knowledge around these parts. I guess I was wrong.

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-6526777574574871930&hl=en#

Please by all means show me the law, statute anything that a strawman exists because as Palani tried to point out and failed miserably I might add.
Palani is trying to tell me and this board that "Emanuel" is the same thing as "Ron Blago" in all cap letters. I dont know about you or anybody else but "Emanuel" and "Rob" dont even share the same letters to say they are the same.
Anybody can name any corporation they decide to create anything they damn well choose to name it, but with the nonsense Palani is trying to pull is out there in patri-o-tard land.
Palani didnt prove any point at all by using ol-Blago being Emauel..............................Emanuel is not Blago in all caps....................so just what was Palani trying to prove besides his painfull embarrasement of demonstrating his stupidity of beleiving what he wants to hear.

[palani]

Wow just wow!
Is this a query?

Theres a lot of ignorance and jousting in your post.
Thank you for pointing this out. Could you be more specific?

Hey, did you know that the Common law form which you think you know is too "harsh" for the civil law form. The choice is between common law and equity rather than common law and civil law. Common law is derived from patriarchy while equity is rather effeminate.


When you volunteer your signiture on either a ssn card or signing the SS-5 form to apply for a ssn you are telling the government, by consent, that you want to be treated as a 14th amendment federal citizen of the corporate "United States" (in the American Roman Civil Law form). As you appear to be statute driven you will no doubt have little difficulty defending your position by pointing out which statute you are referring to here. Kindly do so.


By volunteering so, you politically remove yourself from being the People (in the Common Law) of the United States of America to being a subject of theb federal government. So I take it you do not subscribe to the concept of dual citizenship? Yet the 14th amendment clearly states that you are a citizen of your state as well as the federal government at the same time. Could you show where this amendment has been amended?


You painfully obviously never heard of the Buck Act have you? Does this have to do with the number of deer you can bag on opening day? If you are however referring to the extension of federal zones into the several states you might be aware that the territories so created were done so with no PEOPLE in them. As they have no PEOPLE then maybe they are all CORPORATIONS?


If you have heard of it or even read it you would quickly realize that the US Constitution has restricted the federal government from reaching into the union states except for federal lands such as dock yards, railroads and millitary post and since 1868 the federal government had for the first time a subject that doesnt dwell, live on dock yards, railraods and millitary posts. Things that don't "dwell live" are not capable of representation. If they could be then a lawyer might represent a twig or a stone (although some People do believe that lawyers represent twigs and stones).


The Buck Act was needed to bypass the restrictions of the Constitutions so the feds could control their new subjects. Where do acts of no authority derive their power to regulate?


You see, the "The State of Iowa" is politically different that the union state "Iowa". The "The State of Iowa" is the Buck Act overlay having the same boundries as the union state "Iowa". Hard to tell the players without a scorecard isn't it?




Heres a little from State-citizen.org that I mentioned in a previous post.

You must live on land in one of the states in the Union of several states, not in any "Federal State" or "Federal area", nor can you be involved in any activity that would make you subject to "federal laws". You cannot have a valid Social Security Number, a "resident" driver's license, a motor vehicle registered in your name, a "federal" bank account, a Federal Register Account Number relating to Individual persons [SSN], (see Executive Order Number 9397, November 1943), or any other known "contract implied in fact" that would place you within any "Federal area" and thus within the territorial jurisdiction of the municipal laws of Congress. Remember, all acts of Congress are territorial in nature and only apply within the territorial jurisdiction of Congress. (See American Banana Co. v. United Fruit Co., 213 U.S. 347, 356-357 (1909); U.S. v. Spelar, 338 U.S. 217, 222, 94 L.Ed. 3, 70 S.Ct. 10 (1949); New York Central R.R. Co. v. Chisholm, 268 U.S. 29, 31-32, 69 L.Ed. 828, 45 S.Ct. 402 (1925).)

There has been created a fictional Federal "State within a state". See Howard v. Sinking Fund of Louisville, 344 U.S. 624, 73 S.Ct. 465, 476, 97 L.Ed. 617 (1953); Schwartz v. O'Hara TP. School Dist., 100 A. 2d. 621, 625, 375 Pa. 440. (Compare also 31 C.F.R. Parts 51.2 and 52.2, which also identify a fictional State within a state.) This fictional "State" is identified by the use of two-letter abbreviations like "CA", "AZ" and "TX", as distinguished from the authorized abbreviations like "Calif.", "Ariz." and "Tex.", etc. This fictional State also uses ZIP codes which are within the municipal, exclusive legislative jurisdiction of Congress.
A good rule is NOT to abbreviate the name of any sovereign entity. The practice shows that you are using a familiar form rather than being at arms length.

Not saying you do not have the basics down but I believe you need to chill out a little. The State is sovereign because You are sovereign. If you are sovereign then precisely why do you have a complaint? On the other hand if you are NOT sovereign then that is because your behavior is does not meet specifications. The question might be "whose specifications are you required to meet" and the concept becomes slightly circular because the answer is "my own specifications".

Try to avoid case law and statutes in the future. All these cites mean is that you are looking to some other entity to define YOUR law. Not to say that others law cannot be adapted to your own needs but at some time you are going to have to base your actions upon what YOU believe.

[palani]

Please by all means show me the law, statute anything that a strawman exists because as Palani tried to point out and failed miserably I might add. Palani points out nothing exists unless it is REAL. Why would I suggest that something that is a legal fiction exists?

YOU have brought up the concept of a PERSON with reference to SS benefits. A PERSON is one of three things: 1) a word 2) an action or 3) representation. If you can figure out how to find Hobbes Leviathan you can check chapter 16 to see where these concepts originate from.

The PERSON is what has rights or liabilities. NOT the Man. The PERSON is the strawman. NOT the Man.

Palani is trying to tell me and this board that "Emanuel" is the same thing as "Ron Blago" in all cap letters. Rather Manta came up with the concept. I am merely the messenger.


I dont know about you or anybody else but "Emanuel" and "Rob" dont even share the same letters to say they are the same.
Do you have a clue as to what "dba" means?


Anybody can name any corporation they decide to create anything they damn well choose to name it, but with the nonsense Palani is trying to pull is out there in patri-o-tard land.
This is a discussion board. If you would like to discuss then fine. My opinion is that the first one to call 'tard is one himself.


Palani didnt prove any point at all by using ol-Blago being Emauel And has not DUTY to prove anything. DO YOU KNOW WHAT DISCUSSION IS?


.............................Emanuel is not Blago in all caps Tell Manta


...................so just what was Palani trying to prove besides his painfull embarrasement of demonstrating his stupidity of beleiving what he wants to hear.
I believe you are out of touch with reality if you are HEARING things on this board. Talking to yourself is the sign of an idiot.

[7th trump]

Please by all means show me the law, statute anything that a strawman exists because as Palani tried to point out and failed miserably I might add. Palani points out nothing exists unless it is REAL. Why would I suggest that something that is a legal fiction exists?

YOU have brought up the concept of a PERSON with reference to SS benefits. A PERSON is one of three things: 1) a word 2) an action or 3) representation. If you can figure out how to find Hobbes Leviathan you can check chapter 16 to see where these concepts originate from.

The PERSON is what has rights or liabilities. NOT the Man. The PERSON is the strawman. NOT the Man.

Palani is trying to tell me and this board that "Emanuel" is the same thing as "Ron Blago" in all cap letters. Rather Manta came up with the concept. I am merely the messenger.


I dont know about you or anybody else but "Emanuel" and "Rob" dont even share the same letters to say they are the same.
Do you have a clue as to what "dba" means?


Anybody can name any corporation they decide to create anything they damn well choose to name it, but with the nonsense Palani is trying to pull is out there in patri-o-tard land.
This is a discussion board. If you would like to discuss then fine. My opinion is that the first one to call 'tard is one himself.


Palani didnt prove any point at all by using ol-Blago being Emauel And has not DUTY to prove anything. DO YOU KNOW WHAT DISCUSSION IS?


.............................Emanuel is not Blago in all caps Tell Manta


...................so just what was Palani trying to prove besides his painfull embarrasement of demonstrating his stupidity of beleiving what he wants to hear.
I believe you are out of touch with reality if you are HEARING things on this board. Talking to yourself is the sign of an idiot.

Still cant prove strawmans exist can you?
And probably never will!
All we will ever hear from you is crap with no evidence of any kind.
A "US citizen" is not a strawman just as the People of the United States of Amerca are not "US citizens", politically and legally.

[palani]

Still cant prove strawmans exist can you?
And probably never will!
All we will ever hear from you is crap with no evidence of any kind.
A "US citizen" is not a strawman just as the People of the United States of Amerca are not "US citizens", politically and legally.


I do believe you are mentally challenged. I am sorry if this is the case. If you can detect no trespass then you certainly have no remedy. On the other hand if you have detected a trespass then you already know what the remedy is.

Believe what you will. It is of no concern to me.

[Silver Shield]

The sovereign citizen and tax protester movement are scams.

Even if they are 100% correct ( they are not.)

It assume the evil fucking bastards are going to just say "yes you are right" and give up their control paradigm because you sited some law.

Your legal arguments stop as soon as they fine you, imprison you, or kill you.

The best way is to opt out of their system by being Totally Free. This is a concept that I explore in my Academy.

Politically Free to see the true nature of our political system.
Intellectually Free to see if your thoughts serve to free you or simply to make you serve.
Physically Free to live life healthy and pain and disease free.
Financially Free to have no debt an to be able to take advantage of paradigm shifts.
Emotionally Free to not be involved in toxic relationships.
Spiritually Free to be what you were meant to be and have a greater purpose.

Leaderless resistance to counter centralized hierarchical control.
Non violent non compliance to counter big brother and the military industrial complex.

Finally to have a group of wide awake patriots to take action when the time is right.

[7th trump]

The sovereign citizen and tax protester movement are scams.

Even if they are 100% correct ( they are not.)

It assume the evil f*cking bastards are going to just say "yes you are right" and give up their control paradigm because you sited some law.

Your legal arguments stop as soon as they fine you, imprison you, or kill you.

The best way is to opt out of their system by being Totally Free. This is a concept that I explore in my Academy.

Politically Free to see the true nature of our political system.
Intellectually Free to see if your thoughts serve to free you or simply to make you serve.
Physically Free to live life healthy and pain and disease free.
Financially Free to have no debt an to be able to take advantage of paradigm shifts.
Emotionally Free to not be involved in toxic relationships.
Spiritually Free to be what you were meant to be and have a greater purpose.

Leaderless resistance to counter centralized hierarchical control.
Non violent non compliance to counter big brother and the military industrial complex.

Finally to have a group of wide awake patriots to take action when the time is right.

You never read the law regarding "wages" have you?
Ever heard of a W3 transmittal and what information is on the transmittal?

And what you dont realize is that the government cannot make your choice to consent to their systam or not.
Your just smoking patri-o-tard hash.

[7th trump]

Still cant prove strawmans exist can you?
And probably never will!
All we will ever hear from you is crap with no evidence of any kind.
A "US citizen" is not a strawman just as the People of the United States of Amerca are not "US citizens", politically and legally.


I do believe you are mentally challenged. I am sorry if this is the case. If you can detect no trespass then you certainly have no remedy. On the other hand if you have detected a trespass then you already know what the remedy is.

Believe what you will. It is of no concern to me.

You honestly dont know do you?
You've never taken the time to read for yourself have you?

[palani]

You honestly dont know do you?
I know you are a corporation. Honestly.


You've never taken the time to read for yourself have you? Cryptic sentences are best left undeciphered.

[Silver Shield]

The sovereign citizen and tax protester movement are scams.

Even if they are 100% correct ( they are not.)

It assume the evil f*cking bastards are going to just say "yes you are right" and give up their control paradigm because you sited some law.

Your legal arguments stop as soon as they fine you, imprison you, or kill you.

The best way is to opt out of their system by being Totally Free. This is a concept that I explore in my Academy.

Politically Free to see the true nature of our political system.
Intellectually Free to see if your thoughts serve to free you or simply to make you serve.
Physically Free to live life healthy and pain and disease free.
Financially Free to have no debt an to be able to take advantage of paradigm shifts.
Emotionally Free to not be involved in toxic relationships.
Spiritually Free to be what you were meant to be and have a greater purpose.

Leaderless resistance to counter centralized hierarchical control.
Non violent non compliance to counter big brother and the military industrial complex.

Finally to have a group of wide awake patriots to take action when the time is right.

You never read the law regarding "wages" have you?
Ever heard of a W3 transmittal and what information is on the transmittal?

And what you dont realize is that the government cannot make your choice to consent to their systam or not.
Your just smoking patri-o-tard hash.
Thanks for showing your true colors with your Patri-o-tard comment.

[7th trump]

The sovereign citizen and tax protester movement are scams.

Even if they are 100% correct ( they are not.)

It assume the evil f*cking bastards are going to just say "yes you are right" and give up their control paradigm because you sited some law.

Your legal arguments stop as soon as they fine you, imprison you, or kill you.

The best way is to opt out of their system by being Totally Free. This is a concept that I explore in my Academy.

Politically Free to see the true nature of our political system.
Intellectually Free to see if your thoughts serve to free you or simply to make you serve.
Physically Free to live life healthy and pain and disease free.
Financially Free to have no debt an to be able to take advantage of paradigm shifts.
Emotionally Free to not be involved in toxic relationships.
Spiritually Free to be what you were meant to be and have a greater purpose.

Leaderless resistance to counter centralized hierarchical control.
Non violent non compliance to counter big brother and the military industrial complex.

Finally to have a group of wide awake patriots to take action when the time is right.

You never read the law regarding "wages" have you?
Ever heard of a W3 transmittal and what information is on the transmittal?

And what you dont realize is that the government cannot make your choice to consent to their systam or not.
Your just smoking patri-o-tard hash.
Thanks for showing your true colors with your Patri-o-tard comment.


Well let me explain myself.
I've been following and even participated in a few patriot ideals, mainly taxes, for over 15 years and when a few of these so called guru's started to fail, along with their attitude to ban those who asked questions and started think outside of the guru's box, we were ousted from participation and labeled government schills.
After about three bannings I started to question everything, both sides of the coin, and soon came to realize its not the government per say thats blowing smoke. I found that the guru's were the quilty party of blowing patriot smoke out of ignorance. Yea sure our government does things out of context but thats expected and the reason there is a Constitution, but for the patriot community to just blow off the real patriots who want real answers and label them government schills to continue the guru's personal beleif and interpretive system is worse than the tyrants themsleves.
Most in the patriot community can not understand we in America have different law forms in operation having different jurisdictions. They dont want to hear this because it shoots holes all through their beleif system which reduces their revenue intake.
Lets not beat around the bush, most Americans have never even took the time to look at the Constitution itself. Civics is not taught in todays schools and these same ones think they are masters at liberty. I'll bet you yourself dont even know what "civics" is.

So beleive me when I say Palani is blowing smoke up this forums ass. Palani with infinite unchecked wisdom has yet to show any proof what so ever a strawman in all caps exists. Theres absolutely no evidence in any court case that supports a strawman while all day long I can cite the nuts and bolts of court cases, laws, statutes supporting that a "US citizen" is not one of the People of the United States of America. And yet palani prefers to call me an idiot. Problem with Palani as in most patriots is that palani is too damn lazy to research the subject himself and too damn gullible and would rather beleive the patri-o-tard guru's.
The government doesnt hand out liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Liberty and happiness rests with the individual American who is smart enough to do his OWN due dilligence.
You will never hear of any guru or even the government tell you that. All the patriot community wants to do is attack a government thats following a Constitution they know nothing about.
All Palani wants to do is play big worded verbal jousting semantics to save his embarrased ass as his demonstration of going on the defense provides.

[JohnQPublic]

This may be what you call 'you vs the corporations, Pat Colo, but I see it in much starker terms. It's the rich versus everybody else.


it is the rich v everyone else, bear in mind corporate entities were invented to "LIMIT LIABILITY" aka protect the personal wealth of the "risk taking corporate capitalist" from negative outcomes of their corporate entity's activities.


In theory, those corporations are granted the limited liability by our government, and in theory to allow the benefits that can come from limiting liability to accrue to society. Corporations exist with our permission (i.e., they are chartered); though they have been carving out a lot of law to support their right to exist.

[palani]

Well let me explain myself....
After which a diatribe occurs which explains nothing.


So beleive me when I say Palani is blowing smoke up this forums ass.
After hearing voices (probably his own) he is now seeing SMOKE and somehow believe a forum has an ASS?


Palani with infinite unchecked wisdom has yet to show any proof what so ever a strawman in all caps exists.
Thank you for recognizing my WISDOM but where in the WORLD did you ever get the idea that a STRAWMAN exists? Corporations don't even EXIST!!! Yet you are here disproving my words because you believe YOU exist as a corporation.


Theres absolutely no evidence in any court case that supports a strawman while all day long I can cite the nuts and bolts of court cases, laws, statutes supporting that a "US citizen" is not one of the People of the United States of America. How do you jump from the concept of a corporate "strawman" (aka a corporate IDENTITY) to the status of U.S. citizen established by the 14th amendment? I will state that the U.S. (as any body politic) is corporate in nature and a MEMBER of this corporation is recognized as a "U.S. citizen". I will also state that things join with similar things so as the U.S. is a corporation then so are its members.


And yet palani prefers to call me an idiot.
I suppose if idiots are synonymous with being mentally challenged then this inference could be drawn. I did not actually call you an idiot though. I merely identified a characteristic trait that runs through your diatribe.


Problem with Palani as in most patriots is that palani is too damn lazy to research the subject himself and too damn gullible and would rather beleive the patri-o-tard guru's.
Where did you ever get the notion I am included in the set classified "patriot"?


The government doesnt hand out liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Does the government even possess a "hand"?


Liberty and happiness rests with the individual American who is smart enough to do his OWN due dilligence. Don't you believe one this smart should be able to spell "diligence" properly?


You will never hear of any guru or even the government tell you that. The government has no mouth to be able to speak words. I have never met a guru. What do they look like? Is there a guru forum I should subscribe to in order to learn more of them?


All the patriot community wants to do is attack a government thats following a Constitution they know nothing about. I don't know anyone in this community. If you have knowledge of an attack on the government don't you think you ought to notify them? I fully support my government. I hope you do as well.


All Palani wants to do is play big worded verbal jousting semantics to save his embarrased ass as his demonstration of going on the defense provides. I am embarrassed that you do not know how to spell embarrassed and seem to have an "ass" fixation.

[palani]

In theory, those corporations are granted the limited liability by our government, and in theory to allow the benefits that can come from limiting liability to accrue to society. Corporations exist with our permission (i.e., they are chartered); though they have been carving out a lot of law to support their right to exist.

Corporations are the prerogative of the executive branch. All corporations are minions of the crown (as it were).

[7th trump]

Well let me explain myself....
After which a diatribe occurs which explains nothing.


So beleive me when I say Palani is blowing smoke up this forums ass.
After hearing voices (probably his own) he is now seeing SMOKE and somehow believe a forum has an ASS?


Palani with infinite unchecked wisdom has yet to show any proof what so ever a strawman in all caps exists.
Thank you for recognizing my WISDOM but where in the WORLD did you ever get the idea that a STRAWMAN exists? Corporations don't even EXIST!!! Yet you are here disproving my words because you believe YOU exist as a corporation.


Theres absolutely no evidence in any court case that supports a strawman while all day long I can cite the nuts and bolts of court cases, laws, statutes supporting that a "US citizen" is not one of the People of the United States of America. How do you jump from the concept of a corporate "strawman" (aka a corporate IDENTITY) to the status of U.S. citizen established by the 14th amendment? I will state that the U.S. (as any body politic) is corporate in nature and a MEMBER of this corporation is recognized as a "U.S. citizen". I will also state that things join with similar things so as the U.S. is a corporation then so are its members.


And yet palani prefers to call me an idiot.
I suppose if idiots are synonymous with being mentally challenged then this inference could be drawn. I did not actually call you an idiot though. I merely identified a characteristic trait that runs through your diatribe.


Problem with Palani as in most patriots is that palani is too damn lazy to research the subject himself and too damn gullible and would rather beleive the patri-o-tard guru's.
Where did you ever get the notion I am included in the set classified "patriot"?


The government doesnt hand out liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Does the government even possess a "hand"?


Liberty and happiness rests with the individual American who is smart enough to do his OWN due dilligence. Don't you believe one this smart should be able to spell "diligence" properly?


You will never hear of any guru or even the government tell you that. The government has no mouth to be able to speak words. I have never met a guru. What do they look like? Is there a guru forum I should subscribe to in order to learn more of them?


All the patriot community wants to do is attack a government thats following a Constitution they know nothing about. I don't know anyone in this community. If you have knowledge of an attack on the government don't you think you ought to notify them? I fully support my government. I hope you do as well.


All Palani wants to do is play big worded verbal jousting semantics to save his embarrased ass as his demonstration of going on the defense provides. I am embarrassed that you do not know how to spell embarrassed and seem to have an "ass" fixation.

Perfect example of palani showing everyone he cannot prove the all cap name is a strawman/corporation.
Lots of mumbo jumbo jousting.

[7th trump]

In theory, those corporations are granted the limited liability by our government, and in theory to allow the benefits that can come from limiting liability to accrue to society. Corporations exist with our permission (i.e., they are chartered); though they have been carving out a lot of law to support their right to exist.

Corporations are the prerogative of the executive branch. All corporations are minions of the crown (as it were).

As usual you bring forth no material evidence to support your dillusional patri-o-tard theory.
Care to prove corporations are minions of the crown or are we suppose to just agree that you are a someone of integrity (aka: take my word for it)?
Cause I'd like to know. I mean the company I work for is a corporation and they didnt file paperwork with any crown.
The Declaration of Independence and the Revolutionary War took care of the crown.
Ever read history or do you like to perceive history the way you want to see it?

[7th trump]

How do you jump from the concept of a corporate "strawman" (aka a corporate IDENTITY) to the status of U.S. citizen established by the 14th amendment? I will state that the U.S. (as any body politic) is corporate in nature and a MEMBER of this corporation is recognized as a "U.S. citizen". I will also state that things join with similar things so as the U.S. is a corporation then so are its members.
Theres your problem beside injecting patri-0-tard idealology, the members are not a corporation.

[palani]

Perfect example of palani showing everyone he cannot prove the all cap name is a strawman/corporation.
Lots of mumbo jumbo jousting.

Perfect example of a NON-RESPONSE.

[palani]

As usual you bring forth no material evidence to support your dillusional patri-o-tard theory.
You have referred to this theory several times. I challenge you to prove that such a theory exists.



Care to prove corporations are minions of the crown or are we suppose to just agree that you are a someone of integrity (aka: take my word for it)?
I suppose I could do this although in the U.S. and the several states there is no crown per se. There is however an EXECUTIVE BRANCH which role is filled by the governors of each state and the president (if he can be found) at the federal level.

Here is my source: Blackstone Commentaries Book 1 Chapter Seven concerning the Kings prerogative


the king has alfo the prerogative of conferring privileges upon private perfons. Such as granting place or precedence to any of his fubjects, as fhall feem good to his royal wifdoml: or fuch as converting aliens, or perfons born out of the king's dominions, into denizens; whereby fome very confiderable privileges of natural-born fubjects are conferred upon them. Such alfo is the prerogative of erecting corporations; whereby a number of private perfons are united and knit together, and enjoy many liberties, powers, and immunities in their politic capacity, which they were utterly incapable of in their natural.

Now if you care for more information on corporations you might find it in chapter 18 of the same book where the entire chapter is devoted to the topic.



Cause I'd like to know. I mean the company I work for is a corporation and they didnt file paperwork with any crown. But they filled out paper with the secretary of state didn't they?




The Declaration of Independence and the Revolutionary War took care of the crown. But neither document eliminated the Executive Branch of government and the common law of England was imported as the law of the land.



Ever read history or do you like to perceive history the way you want to see it?
History gets to be written by the VICTOR of any argument. What really happens is rarely discussed as HISTORY.

Now as far as I can tell you are living in your own little dream world so please do not let me interrupt your sleep. This board is for DISCUSSION. A am sorry to find that you are mentally ill. I hope sincerely you get better soon.

[palani]

Theres your problem beside injecting patri-0-tard idealology, the members are not a corporation.
Then you would yoke an ox with a mule? Dissimilar things are never to be joined.

As I am sure you will require a cite for this last concept I must refer you to two sources: the bible and roman maxims of law


Deuteronomy 22:10 (New International Version)
10 Do not plow with an ox and a donkey yoked together.


Paria copulantur paribus. Things unite with similar things.

Now I find I must terminate this discussion even as entertaining as it has been. As you identify yourself as an idiot I would hate to be found to be in argument with you lest I be confounded for one as well.

[7th trump]

As usual you bring forth no material evidence to support your dillusional patri-o-tard theory.
You have referred to this theory several times. I challenge you to prove that such a theory exists.



Care to prove corporations are minions of the crown or are we suppose to just agree that you are a someone of integrity (aka: take my word for it)?
I suppose I could do this although in the U.S. and the several states there is no crown per se. There is however an EXECUTIVE BRANCH which role is filled by the governors of each state and the president (if he can be found) at the federal level.

Here is my source: Blackstone Commentaries Book 1 Chapter Seven concerning the Kings prerogative


the king has alfo the prerogative of conferring privileges upon private perfons. Such as granting place or precedence to any of his fubjects, as fhall feem good to his royal wifdoml: or fuch as converting aliens, or perfons born out of the king's dominions, into denizens; whereby fome very confiderable privileges of natural-born fubjects are conferred upon them. Such alfo is the prerogative of erecting corporations; whereby a number of private perfons are united and knit together, and enjoy many liberties, powers, and immunities in their politic capacity, which they were utterly incapable of in their natural.

Now if you care for more information on corporations you might find it in chapter 18 of the same book where the entire chapter is devoted to the topic.



Cause I'd like to know. I mean the company I work for is a corporation and they didnt file paperwork with any crown. But they filled out paper with the secretary of state didn't they?




The Declaration of Independence and the Revolutionary War took care of the crown. But neither document eliminated the Executive Branch of government and the common law of England was imported as the law of the land.



Ever read history or do you like to perceive history the way you want to see it?
History gets to be written by the VICTOR of any argument. What really happens is rarely discussed as HISTORY.

Now as far as I can tell you are living in your own little dream world so please do not let me interrupt your sleep. This board is for DISCUSSION. A am sorry to find that you are mentally ill. I hope sincerely you get better soon.

Now why in the world would you even consider the law of England to apply to America?
America, if you havent noticed, is not a kingship like England by any means.
See you later Palani. Next time come to the table not so ignorant of the subject at hand.
Cant beleive I wasted my time with someone who thinks the law of England applies to America.
And what history book did you read that thinks you can apply the laws of England to America......................................hahah ahaha!
Sheeeeeesh the ignorance of some people.
Keep drinking the patri-o-tard kool-ade palani.
Unfreaken beleivable!

[FunnyMoney]

The USA is run by a secret government. That ruling entity transmits its desired policies through the Council for Foreign Relations, and through the secret societies that the elected members and their political appointees belong to. Do you remember what Obama said when he was asked if he belonged to the CFR? He denied that it had any significance, and he said he could only remember going to one meeting. Do you know where the crazy ideas come from, like giving the government the power to shut down the internet, and to infiltrate forums like this to root out domestic terrorists? Do you know where the drug war came from? Or the war on terror? Do you know the truth about 911? The secret government does. But you'll never be able to prove that any secret government exists--only that the people who run the known government belong to secret societies, and the trail will stop there. This is how TPTB control the government. The corporations control it through their lobbyists. Foreign powers control it through campaign contributions.

They control the issuance of money, so why should they care who makes the laws? They have corrupted those people with money. The same people own the mass media. They lull us to sleep, then do whatever they want, and pretend that the people have elected them and they have the support of the people. And most of us believe that BS. They ignore the will of the people. That is why we are in Afghanistan and Iraq and will never leave. It's not the US that is there. It is the secret government that is in Iraq and Afghanistan, using the resources of the USA, pretending it is in our national interest, pretending that there are real terrorists around who don't work for them.

Hatha


JFK spoke to the nation about the evil's of the secret societies, it was the last time he was allowed to mention that.

[Twisted Titan]

The USA is run by a secret government. That ruling entity transmits its desired policies through the Council for Foreign Relations, and through the secret societies that the elected members and their political appointees belong to. Do you remember what Obama said when he was asked if he belonged to the CFR? He denied that it had any significance, and he said he could only remember going to one meeting. Do you know where the crazy ideas come from, like giving the government the power to shut down the internet, and to infiltrate forums like this to root out domestic terrorists? Do you know where the drug war came from? Or the war on terror? Do you know the truth about 911? The secret government does. But you'll never be able to prove that any secret government exists--only that the people who run the known government belong to secret societies, and the trail will stop there. This is how TPTB control the government. The corporations control it through their lobbyists. Foreign powers control it through campaign contributions.

They control the issuance of money, so why should they care who makes the laws? They have corrupted those people with money. The same people own the mass media. They lull us to sleep, then do whatever they want, and pretend that the people have elected them and they have the support of the people. And most of us believe that BS. They ignore the will of the people. That is why we are in Afghanistan and Iraq and will never leave. It's not the US that is there. It is the secret government that is in Iraq and Afghanistan, using the resources of the USA, pretending it is in our national interest, pretending that there are real terrorists around who don't work for them.

Hatha


JFK spoke to the nation about the evil's of the secret societies, it was the last time he was allowed to mention that.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces