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Awoke
29th September 2010, 10:12 AM
This was in the National Post, of all places:


George Jonas: Armed citizens should look to their own security

http://nationalpostcomment.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/pistol-defence.jpg

Did Canada’s firearm-phobic urban elites score an own goal? Did they open up a political opportunity for Stephen Harper? Many commentators seem to think so.

I’m not as sanguine as some, but if, by their narrow rescue of the registry, Ottawa’s gunless wonders did elevate a wasteful program of loony liberalism into an election issue, it may open up an opportunity to re-examine the debate about gun control.

The police carry guns for a reason: They’re great tools for law enforcement. Letting firearms become the monopoly of lawbreakers, far from enhancing public safety, is detrimental to it. Canada has gone out of its way to make criminals as invincible, and victims as vulnerable, as possible. This wasn’t the aim of gun control, of course, only the result.

Canada isn’t alone. Two years ago, terrorists in Mumbai, India, claimed some 500 casualties, dead and injured. Among the many questions raised by the outrage, there was a purely practical one: Why was the attack so successful? How could so few terrorists claim so many victims?

One obvious answer, as I wrote at the time, was firepower. Guns were illegal in the hands of both the terrorists and the victims. The victims obeyed the laws, the terrorists didn’t. A Mumbai-type atrocity couldn’t have happened in Dodge City — or in Edwardian Europe, for that matter, where gentlemen routinely carried handguns for protection — but it could happen again at next month’s XIX Commonwealth Games in New Delhi, India.

Some regard carrying guns uncivilized. Would you call an era of legal guns in the hands of Edwardian gentlemen less civilized — or less safe — than our own era of illegal guns in the hands of terrorists and drug dealers? I wouldn’t. The civilized place was turn-of-the century London, where citizens carried guns and the police didn’t.

Society needs crime control, not gun control. Violent crime in America declined in the past 20-plus years after a majority of states enacted “right to carry” legislation. There may have been several reasons, but the “right to carry” was clearly one.
There are Second Amendment absolutists in America, and libertarians elsewhere, who regard a person’s birthright to own/carry a firearm beyond the state’s power to regulate. I’m not among them. Communities set standards for many things, from the possession of exotic animals to the operation of ham radios; why not lethal weapons? But our aim should be to enhance, not diminish, the defensive capacity of the good guys, and increase rather than decrease the number of auxiliary crime-fighters who are available to be deputized when the bad guys start climbing over the fence.

The relationship between citizens and the law is magnificently simple. Citizens are the law. Not the bureaucracy, not the police, not the pundits: Citizens. It’s all right for people to take the law into their own hands because in a free society the law is, in fact, in their hands. It is the people who delegate the power of law enforcement to the police, not the other way around.

The police may think they license citizens to carry arms, but they don’t. It’s citizens who license the police. They license them to carry arms, to enforce the law, to investigate crime, to serve and protect. All power flows from the public to the authorities, not the other way around.

In free societies, that is. There are societies where power flow is reversed. They’re called police states.
Canada isn’t a police state and we don’t want it to become one — not even our gun-shy urban elites, most of them. The police chiefs with their disarming rhetoric aren’t looking for a police state, either; it’s just that “the policeman’s lot is not a happy one,” as Gilbert and Sullivan pointed out, and being the only ones armed would make their lot happier.

Maybe so, except an arms monopoly only serves and protects the police, not the public. While we support our cops, making police work congenial isn’t Canada’s national purpose. Our entitlement to carry arms, unlike our American cousins’, stems from no particular provision of a constitutional amendment, but intrinsically from our fundamental traditions of freedom, subject to whatever conditions we choose to impose on ourselves.

If the gun registry becomes an election issue, it may serve as a reminder that guns aren’t only for hunting ducks, but also to help people safeguard themselves. It’s as proper for citizens to defend their homes in peacetime against domestic robbers as to defend their homelands in war against foreign invaders. People who defend their families act as honourably as those who provide for their families. They must do so within the law, needless to say, providing or defending, in war or in peace, but as long as they do, one type of action is simply an extension of the other.

If someone could persuade criminals and lunatics to obey gun control, it would be a splendid idea. As long as only law-abiding citizens obey it, it amounts to countering stray cats by neutering vets: Showy, but not very useful.





Plus some very supportive comments below the article. Nice to see a piece like this for once!

http://www.nationalpost.com/Armed+citizens+should+look+their+security/3579856/story.html

horseshoe3
29th September 2010, 10:16 AM
...victims as vulnerable, as possible. This wasn’t the aim of gun control, of course, only the result.


I'm not so sure about that.

Awoke
29th September 2010, 10:27 AM
Remember the Montreal Massacre?

That wouldn't have happened if those students were armed citizens.

I know I would feel better if my wife carried her Glock with her in public.





Remember this little girl?

http://this.org/files/2010/01/jane_creba.jpg

DEAD.

http://media.thestar.topscms.com/images/e8/cf/d7600f30490bbefdd43319ff94f0.jpeg

JAIL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing_Day_shooting

horseshoe3
29th September 2010, 11:44 AM
I meant that I'm not so sure that victim disarmament is NOT the goal of gun control.

Awoke
29th September 2010, 12:18 PM
Ahh, I understand. (And agree)

Twisted Titan
29th September 2010, 02:38 PM
The police may think they license citizens to carry arms, but they don’t. It’s citizens who license the police. They license them to carry arms, to enforce the law, to investigate crime, to serve and protect. All power flows from the public to the authorities, not the other way around.


In a perfect world......which we dont have

Best to stay busy arming yourself.

T

Awoke
30th September 2010, 03:16 PM
Here is a nice piece of text from http://www.rkba.ca/ (The Right to Keep and Bear Arms in Canada)




Rights and Law

Canadians do have the Right to Bear Arms (http://www.rkba.ca/legal_basis_for_rkba.html).

Many Canadians believe (and our government would certainly have us believe) that there is no Right of the citizen to keep arms for their own use and defense, like the US Second Amendment, in Canadian law. To those citizens, I would suggest a bit of reading up on our own history and legal framework. Our right to bear arms is not mentioned in recent documents such as the Constitution or Charter because it's already stated elsewhere in Canadian law.

Our right to keep and bear arms in our own or the country's defense comes from exactly the same place as the American one -- English Common Law, the English Bill of Rights 1689, the writings of Sir William Blackstone in his Commentaries on English Law, and others. All these laws (and indeed the full body of English Law), became part of Canadian law on our Confederation in 1867 with the affirmation of the British North America (BNA) Act.

We have this Right, though our government is attempting to suppress it and deny citizen's their age-old right to self-defense with the egregious and unconstitutional (not to mention horrendously expensive) Firearms Act and other proposals.

It leads one to wonder why the government so wants an unarmed and defenceless populace. See The Legal basis for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in Canada.



More at the link above, which goes into the BNA act and more! Glad I found this sight!

Awoke
30th September 2010, 03:25 PM
Here are a couple nice clips from RKBA as well:



"Using cross-sectional time-series data for U.S. counties from 1977 to 1992, we find that allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons deters violent crimes and it appears to produce no increase in accidental deaths." The Chicago Study (http://www.rkba.ca/the_chicago_study.html)




This next quote, I would like to dedicate to my friend Twisted Avatar and his old signature of "Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide":




In 1997 the San Diego Police Officers Association polled its members about gun control, and what they believed would be most effective in reducing violent crime. The results were published on 05 May 1997 in their official newsletter, "The Informant." See the San Diego Police Survey (http://www.rkba.ca/san_diego_police_survey.html)

"Contemporary scholars have little explored the preconditions of genocide. Still less have they asked whether a society's weapons policy might be one of the institutional arrangements that contributes to the probability of its government engaging in some of the more extreme varieties of outrage. Though it is a long step between being disarmed and being murdered -- one does not usually lead to the other -- it is nevertheless an arresting reality that not one of the principal genocides of the twentieth century, and there have been dozens, has been inflicted on a population that was armed." -- Daniel D. Polsby, Washington University Law Quarterly, Volume 73, Number 3, Fall 1997.
See The Relationship Between Gun Control And Genocides (http://www.rkba.ca/gun_control_and_genocide.html)

Twisted Titan
30th September 2010, 04:01 PM
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