Druids

[zap]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39472198/ns/world_news-europe/?GT1=43001


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Share Print Font: +-LONDON — Druidry has been officially recognized as a religion in Britain under charity law.

The Charity Commission has granted the Druid Network charitable status, giving it tax breaks and equal status to mainstream religions like Christianity.

The commission said Saturday that druidry has a coherent and serious set of beliefs and that it offers a beneficial ethical framework. It also says that the Druid Network's work in promoting druidry as a religion is in the public interest.

Druidry is an ancient pagan tradition that dates back thousands of years in Britain. Druids worship deities characterized as natural forces, such as thunder and sun, and spirits they believe arise from places such as mountains and rivers.

[Dogman]

They also occupied a large chunk of western Europe and some say they were the high priests of the Celtic peoples religion. And stopped the romans from taking all of england/Scotland the line was drawn at where Hayden's wall still stands in Scotland to this day.


The Celtic druids.

http://ezinearticles.com/?History-of-the-Celtic-Druids&id=1477679


Hayden's wall.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadrian%27s_Wall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadrian%27s_Wall)


A good book about the wall.


http://www.williamdietrich.com/hadrianswall.htm (http://www.williamdietrich.com/hadrianswall.htm)

[Korbin Dallas]

Now we'll have to deal with Druish Princesses :o

[zap]

They also occupied a large chunk of western Europe and some say they were the high priests of the Celtic peoples religion. And stopped the romans from taking all of england/Scotland the line was drawn at where Hayden's wall still stands in Scotland to this day.


The Celtic druids.

http://ezinearticles.com/?History-of-the-Celtic-Druids&id=1477679


Hayden's wall.

http://www.williamdietrich.com/hadrianswall.htm (http://www.williamdietrich.com/hadrianswall.htm)


Yes, I haven't read the book , I saw it on........ TV :D They've had a few shows on the history channel about the Celtic Druids and Haydens wall.

[Dogman]

They also occupied a large chunk of western Europe and some say they were the high priests of the Celtic peoples religion. And stopped the romans from taking all of england/Scotland the line was drawn at where Hayden's wall still stands in Scotland to this day.


The Celtic druids.

http://ezinearticles.com/?History-of-the-Celtic-Druids&id=1477679


Hayden's wall.

http://www.williamdietrich.com/hadrianswall.htm (http://www.williamdietrich.com/hadrianswall.htm)


Yes, I haven't read the book , I saw it on........ TV :D They've had a few shows on the history channel about the Celtic Druids and Haydens wall.




The romans could not handle them.

[zap]

:D

[ShortJohnSilver]

My understanding was that 99% of Druid knowledge, learning, religion was lost.

Anyone calling themselves a Druid today is in the same position as someone calling themselves a descendant of people from Atlantis.

[Fortyone]

My understanding was that 99% of Druid knowledge, learning, religion was lost.

Anyone calling themselves a Druid today is in the same position as someone calling themselves a descendant of people from Atlantis.


You are correct. The Celtic peoples,which dominated Western Europe until the Roman period,was mostly a Druid society. The Gauls,which made up most of the Celtic population, was early victim of Caesar. The Celts of Britain(Britons) collapsed before the armies of Rome,and were assimilated.The peoples of present day Scotland,are a mixture of Celt and Pict were exempt from Roman expansion.Hadrian's wall was constructed,as the Romans deemed Scotland worthless,and a good place to contain the rebellious Celts and Picts.Germanic invaders attacked these people long before the Romans themselves,as they were very disorganized. Scotland,Wales,and,Ireland,were fully Christianized by later English invasions.Modern Druids are a group of Pagans using barely remembered traditions.They are more of a Wiccan group than anything.Druids arent a race,Its a belief.

[zap]

I think I would rather have a bunch of Druids running around Europe then a bunch of Muslim's in burka's.

[sirgonzo420]

I think I would rather have a bunch of Druids running around Europe then a bunch of Muslim's in burka's.


Historically, the Druids have more of a place there...

[bellevuebully]

My understanding was that 99% of Druid knowledge, learning, religion was lost.

Anyone calling themselves a Druid today is in the same position as someone calling themselves a descendant of people from Atlantis.


Modern Druids are a group of Pagans using barely remembered traditions.They are more of a Wiccan group than anything.Druids arent a race,Its a belief.


Pretty sad state of affairs when people feel the need to reach back to an ancient, little known, occultic belief system which is largely based on conjecture to satisfy their emptiness. It says a lot about the human condition, imo.

[keehah]

Pretty sad state of affairs when people feel the need to reach back to an ancient, little known, occultic belief system which is largely based on conjecture to satisfy their emptiness. It says a lot about the human condition, imo.

That indigenous humanity has some hope to recover from the Abrahamic enslavement and desertification of the world?

Worshipping natural forces instead of elite bloodlines, mafias, and psychopathic lies regarding natural forces.

Though I'm not impressed that the MSM still focuses on the masonry. ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJudKuZ9sh8

[messianicdruid]

Evidence suggests there were many Christian missions sent to evangelize Britain beginning in the first century. Such jurisdictions as the Hebraic (Jerusalem), Ephesine, East Syrian, Alexandrian and Roman Churches can all be argued as present at some period with historically founded conviction. To facilitate the conversion of the Celts, further evidence suggests that the Druidic schools were often converted to Christianity as a whole since their theology of God was not totally dissimilar to the Israelites and later, Christianity:
"This was the Druidic trinity, the three aspects of which were known as Beli, Taran, Esu or Yesu. When Christianity preached Jesus as God, it preached the most familiar name of its own deity to Druidism: and in the ancient British tongue 'Jesus' has never assumed its Greek, Latin, or Hebrew form, but remains the pure Druidic 'Yesu.' It is singular thus that the ancient Briton has never changed the name of the God he and his forefathers worshipped, nor has ever worshipped but one God."
It is believed by many historians that the Druids did communicate with their counterparts in other cultures including those in the middle East and the Orient. This suggests that the Hebrew Scriptures were well known to them as were other religious writings.

"For enquire, I pray thee, of the former age, and prepare thyself to the search of their fathers: For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth are a shadow" (Job 8:8-9).

The further back we journey into the historical and religious mists of the ancient world, the more amazed we should be at how these antiquitous records authenticate the annals found in the Hebrew Scriptures.

Early Druid writings tell of God in Hebrew thought-forms. The universe is infinite, being the body of the being who out of himself [a Judahite thought-form identical to the belief of 1st century Hebrews in Judaea] evolved or created it, and now pervades and rules it, as the mind of man does his body. The essence of this being is pure, mental light, and therefore he is called Du-w, Duw (the one without any darkness). His real name is an ineffable mystery, and so also is his nature. [Sound familiar?]. To the human mind, though not in himself he necessarily represents a triple aspect in relation to the past, present and future [God’s triunity]; the creator as to the past, the saviour or conserver as to the present, the renovator or re-creator as to the future. "There are Three Primeval Unities, and more than one of each cannot exist; One God: One Truth: and One Point of Liberty where all opposites preponderate. Three things proceed from the Three Primeval Unities: All of life, All that is Good, and All Power" (Matthew Arnold).

The Druids also believed, according to scholar Max Mueller -- one-time professor of Sanskrit at Oxford -- that nature was merely God "in disguise." As we progress in resurrecting the first century thought-form we are uncovering a massive wealth of evidence that substantiates the biblical revelation! The Druid doctrine concerning man’s spiritual life is framed in the Druidic Triads:

"In every person there is a soul,
In every soul there is intelligence:
In every intelligence there is thought,
In every thought there is either good or evil:
In every evil there is death;
In every good there is life,
In every life there is God."

[Glass]

As far as I can tell druidism is occultic making it pretty much a branch of satanism. It's a timely reminder of where things are going.

[keehah]

Satanism is the evil twin in Christian split minds and infected people.

Don't blame Druids for Christian satanism. Although this is near impossible since satanism is by definition Christian projection and mind control tool. Those who self identify as satanists may very well include 'evil' people. A hegelian dialectic sheep mind opposition to Christian culture or psychopaths using it to get more Christian wool.

'Evil' IMO is excess entropy creation and shepherding for personal gain. I see this in near any large organization with vertical structure and bureaucracy. It will appear more visibly in the druids if the religion starts demanding enough tithe from its flock.

[Glass]

Western governments are now dominated by satanists. The public approval of their own church is demonstration of that. Don't call christians satanist. They are the last ones standing while being attacked from all sides.

[keehah]

I am not calling them satanists. I am saying they are responsible for satanism.

[bellevuebully]

I am not calling them satanists. I am saying they are responsible for satanism.


Thats like saying the chinese are responsible for budhism. Buddha is responsible for budhism.

[keehah]

Buddha is responsible for budhism.
http://mor.phe.us/writings/YINYANG.JPG
http://www.frenblog.com/illusion/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jesus-satan.jpg


http://peswiki.com/images/4/49/3_dipoles.jpg
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/4895466/2/istockphoto_4895466-democratic-and-republican-symbols.jpg

[silver solution]

Evidence suggests there were many Christian missions sent to evangelize Britain beginning in the first century. Such jurisdictions as the Hebraic (Jerusalem), Ephesine, East Syrian, Alexandrian and Roman Churches can all be argued as present at some period with historically founded conviction. To facilitate the conversion of the Celts, further evidence suggests that the Druidic schools were often converted to Christianity as a whole since their theology of God was not totally dissimilar to the Israelites and later, Christianity:
"This was the Druidic trinity, the three aspects of which were known as Beli, Taran, Esu or Yesu. When Christianity preached Jesus as God, it preached the most familiar name of its own deity to Druidism: and in the ancient British tongue 'Jesus' has never assumed its Greek, Latin, or Hebrew form, but remains the pure Druidic 'Yesu.' It is singular thus that the ancient Briton has never changed the name of the God he and his forefathers worshipped, nor has ever worshipped but one God."
It is believed by many historians that the Druids did communicate with their counterparts in other cultures including those in the middle East and the Orient. This suggests that the Hebrew Scriptures were well known to them as were other religious writings.

"For enquire, I pray thee, of the former age, and prepare thyself to the search of their fathers: For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth are a shadow" (Job 8:8-9).

The further back we journey into the historical and religious mists of the ancient world, the more amazed we should be at how these antiquitous records authenticate the annals found in the Hebrew Scriptures.

Early Druid writings tell of God in Hebrew thought-forms. The universe is infinite, being the body of the being who out of himself [a Judahite thought-form identical to the belief of 1st century Hebrews in Judaea] evolved or created it, and now pervades and rules it, as the mind of man does his body. The essence of this being is pure, mental light, and therefore he is called Du-w, Duw (the one without any darkness). His real name is an ineffable mystery, and so also is his nature. [Sound familiar?]. To the human mind, though not in himself he necessarily represents a triple aspect in relation to the past, present and future [God’s triunity]; the creator as to the past, the saviour or conserver as to the present, the renovator or re-creator as to the future. "There are Three Primeval Unities, and more than one of each cannot exist; One God: One Truth: and One Point of Liberty where all opposites preponderate. Three things proceed from the Three Primeval Unities: All of life, All that is Good, and All Power" (Matthew Arnold).

The Druids also believed, according to scholar Max Mueller -- one-time professor of Sanskrit at Oxford -- that nature was merely God "in disguise." As we progress in resurrecting the first century thought-form we are uncovering a massive wealth of evidence that substantiates the biblical revelation! The Druid doctrine concerning man’s spiritual life is framed in the Druidic Triads:

"In every person there is a soul,
In every soul there is intelligence:
In every intelligence there is thought,
In every thought there is either good or evil:
In every evil there is death;
In every good there is life,
In every life there is God."

The Druids were Hebrew Priests.

"The word Celt is the Anglicised form of the Greek word Keltoi, which means "the people who are different.*" In Scripture, all nations, except the Twelve Tribes of Israel, are referred to as Gentiles (Foreigners), so the only people who are different are Israel. The word Celt is therefore another word for Israelite. The Celts are part of the Ten "lost" Tribes of Israel; as are the Tuatha de Danaan and Milesians. The Irish people are a mixture of Celts; Danaans; Milesians; Judah/Zarahites (of the "Red Hand" - Genesis 38:28-30§); (Dan-ish) Vikings and Norsemen and are all racially cousins." JAH


* Deuteronomy 14:2 For thou [art] an holy people unto the "I AM" thy God, and the "I AM" hath chosen thee to be a peculiar* people unto Himself, above all the nations that [are] upon the earth.
* Special - Different (Oxford dictionary).


"Also the word British is not English; it is Hebrew.
Brit (Berit) means Covenant in Hebrew and Welsh
Ish means man or people of, in Hebrew and English
Therefore British means The People of The Covenant,
in other words, the People Israel of The Covenant." JAH

[bellevuebully]

Buddha is responsible for budhism.
http://mor.phe.us/writings/YINYANG.JPG
http://www.frenblog.com/illusion/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jesus-satan.jpg


http://peswiki.com/images/4/49/3_dipoles.jpg
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/4895466/2/istockphoto_4895466-democratic-and-republican-symbols.jpg



How about a comprehensive response?? I'm not good at reading minds.

[keehah]

Thats like saying the chinese are responsible for budhism. Buddha is responsible for buddhism.
I'll leave race out of this.

Thats saying Buddha (practitioners) manage yin and yang. As Christians account the ways of Jesus and Satan.

Yin = Jesus
Yang = Satan
(or the other way around)

Aether = Amused observer (i.e. Book, perhaps Druids. Although Book is not a Druid (that I know of)).
This duality is also used by elites as controlling Hegelian Dialectics.

[bellevuebully]

I'm sorry Keehah :-[.....I think we have a language barrier or something. I can't make any sense of your response. My apologies.......it is pretty late, maybe that is the problem.

[bellevuebully]

Keehah, I'm pretty tenatious, so I'll take one more shot at this.

If you are saying that yin/yang for some is the same as Jesus/Satan for others, I would disagree.

Yin/yang are not exclusive from each other, in that they both exist simultaneously within the same 'thing'.

There is no indication in biblical text that Satan has ever coexisted with God within the same form.

[bellevuebully]

Winston Churchill joining a druid order.....Gotta love how our world leaders are drawn to anything luciferian.

[Glass]

Winston Churchill joining a druid order.....Gotta love how our world leaders are drawn to anything luciferian.


And you'll notice there is one or two Freemasons in that pic as well.

[keehah]

Yin/yang are not exclusive from each other, in that they both exist simultaneously within the same 'thing'.

There is no indication in biblical text that Satan has ever coexisted with God within the same form.

I'm talking Jesus and Satan not 'God and Satan'.

IMO Jesus and Satan are the Christian deities, the pair are the god.
But I understand that the ancient controller's text says 'God' is the twin brother of Satan.
But this makes no sense, because then the real creator, the true god, should be the parents of 'God' and Satan.


Regarding the 'same form' strawman.

Is postive the same form as negative?
Is up the same form as down?
Is yin the same form as yang?
Is good the same form as evil?

No.

[bellevuebully]

Yin/yang are not exclusive from each other, in that they both exist simultaneously within the same 'thing'.

There is no indication in biblical text that Satan has ever coexisted with God within the same form.

I'm talking Jesus and Satan not 'God and Satan'.

IMO Jesus and Satan are the Christian deities, the pair are the god.
But I understand that the ancient controller's text says 'God' is the twin brother of Satan.
But this makes no sense, because then the real creator, the true god, should be the parents of 'God' and Satan.


Regarding the 'same form' strawman.

Is postive the same form as negative?
Is up the same form as down?
Is yin the same form as yang?
Is good the same form as evil?

No.



Keehah.....I was tempted to respond. If you want to carry on, stop babbling. Please correct me if I have misunderstood you in an offensive way. Are you unable to respond in a manner within the bell curve demonstrated on this forum. I would assume if you can understand the context of the threads you are reading, you could respond in a similar manner. Maybe you are from a far off place. Pretty much, on this sight we're all english, or at least can dialogue quite sufficiently in that manner. We don't really, as a norm, speak in Taoist or Buddhist riddles to convey our thoughts. I can respect if you are of a completely different mindset and choose to convey yourself as such, but if you are being sly, don't waste my time. At this point, if you started making sense Keehah, I wouldn't listen to you anyway. Call me closed minded. I'd call it wise.

[Fortyone]

Evidence suggests there were many Christian missions sent to evangelize Britain beginning in the first century. Such jurisdictions as the Hebraic (Jerusalem), Ephesine, East Syrian, Alexandrian and Roman Churches can all be argued as present at some period with historically founded conviction. To facilitate the conversion of the Celts, further evidence suggests that the Druidic schools were often converted to Christianity as a whole since their theology of God was not totally dissimilar to the Israelites and later, Christianity:
"This was the Druidic trinity, the three aspects of which were known as Beli, Taran, Esu or Yesu. When Christianity preached Jesus as God, it preached the most familiar name of its own deity to Druidism: and in the ancient British tongue 'Jesus' has never assumed its Greek, Latin, or Hebrew form, but remains the pure Druidic 'Yesu.' It is singular thus that the ancient Briton has never changed the name of the God he and his forefathers worshipped, nor has ever worshipped but one God."
It is believed by many historians that the Druids did communicate with their counterparts in other cultures including those in the middle East and the Orient. This suggests that the Hebrew Scriptures were well known to them as were other religious writings.

"For enquire, I pray thee, of the former age, and prepare thyself to the search of their fathers: For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth are a shadow" (Job 8:8-9).

The further back we journey into the historical and religious mists of the ancient world, the more amazed we should be at how these antiquitous records authenticate the annals found in the Hebrew Scriptures.

Early Druid writings tell of God in Hebrew thought-forms. The universe is infinite, being the body of the being who out of himself [a Judahite thought-form identical to the belief of 1st century Hebrews in Judaea] evolved or created it, and now pervades and rules it, as the mind of man does his body. The essence of this being is pure, mental light, and therefore he is called Du-w, Duw (the one without any darkness). His real name is an ineffable mystery, and so also is his nature. [Sound familiar?]. To the human mind, though not in himself he necessarily represents a triple aspect in relation to the past, present and future [God’s triunity]; the creator as to the past, the saviour or conserver as to the present, the renovator or re-creator as to the future. "There are Three Primeval Unities, and more than one of each cannot exist; One God: One Truth: and One Point of Liberty where all opposites preponderate. Three things proceed from the Three Primeval Unities: All of life, All that is Good, and All Power" (Matthew Arnold).

The Druids also believed, according to scholar Max Mueller -- one-time professor of Sanskrit at Oxford -- that nature was merely God "in disguise." As we progress in resurrecting the first century thought-form we are uncovering a massive wealth of evidence that substantiates the biblical revelation! The Druid doctrine concerning man’s spiritual life is framed in the Druidic Triads:

"In every person there is a soul,
In every soul there is intelligence:
In every intelligence there is thought,
In every thought there is either good or evil:
In every evil there is death;
In every good there is life,
In every life there is God."

The Druids were Hebrew Priests.

"The word Celt is the Anglicised form of the Greek word Keltoi, which means "the people who are different.*" In Scripture, all nations, except the Twelve Tribes of Israel, are referred to as Gentiles (Foreigners), so the only people who are different are Israel. The word Celt is therefore another word for Israelite. The Celts are part of the Ten "lost" Tribes of Israel; as are the Tuatha de Danaan and Milesians. The Irish people are a mixture of Celts; Danaans; Milesians; Judah/Zarahites (of the "Red Hand" - Genesis 38:28-30§); (Dan-ish) Vikings and Norsemen and are all racially cousins." JAH


* Deuteronomy 14:2 For thou [art] an holy people unto the "I AM" thy God, and the "I AM" hath chosen thee to be a peculiar* people unto Himself, above all the nations that [are] upon the earth.
* Special - Different (Oxford dictionary).


"Also the word British is not English; it is Hebrew.
Brit (Berit) means Covenant in Hebrew and Welsh
Ish means man or people of, in Hebrew and English
Therefore British means The People of The Covenant,
in other words, the People Israel of The Covenant." JAH



I strongly disagree with your entomology of these words, you can read any old Briton or Celtic texts and see the languages are totally unrelated to Hebrew. Britain is derived from "Pri-tain" which means "Disfigured person" probably from the massive amounts of tatoos the ancients had on their bodies. also Hebrew priests did not worship in this manner.Druids are not Hebrew.

[zap]

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/d/druids_the_a_brief_cultural_history.html

The group of people known as the Druids, their practices, beliefs, and lives are shrouded in a great deal of mystery and misconception. Many people are fascinated by Druidism, and the tales of clandestine powerful wizards-quietly working their magic under the velvet cloak of night. Thus the truth is often overlooked, and not well understood. But who were they? Where did they come from? To truly understand them, it is imperative to examine what linguistic studies have taught us about their origins.



The Druids established themselves as a spiritual class of healers, teachers, and rulers. They were a group that observed and worshipped the patterns and elements of nature around them, viewing these patterns as reflections of themselves and Man's world. Ritual practices and beliefs were constructed that sought to bring Man into a closer harmony with nature, and build a relationship that assisted Him in living daily life, with everything from herbalism and holistic medicine, to rites that celebrated birth, death, and marital unions.

[illumin19]

Too bad there's no concrete book or solid evidence of the Druids beliefs/practices. Without that we're all searching for a switch in the dark.....
It's all conjecture once again.....but what the heck let's make it up as we go, isn't that life? ;D

Or is there some concrete evidence? anyone.....

[zap]

I am surprised I agree with you, Lets make it all up, who wrote which book when?

[Fortyone]

Too bad there's no concrete book or solid evidence of the Druids beliefs/practices. Without that we're all searching for a switch in the dark.....
It's all conjecture once again.....but what the heck let's make it up as we go, isn't that life? ;D

Or is there some concrete evidence? anyone.....


unfortunately,you are correct.The Romans suppressed the religion heavily and most of what we DO know comes from them. human sacrifice was mentioned,by both Roman and Greek scholars. A 'Wickerman" effigy was used to burn the sacrificed alive to the primary gods, and they also reportedly drowned victims to lesser gods. A Druid is actually a priest, not a believer in the Celtic religions. There is no evidence to show that Druids were other than men. Ive found the writings of Julius Caesar( Commentarii de Bello Gallico,and De Bello Hispaniensi) to have the most insight. Several educated Germanic writers of the time also remark similar,It is noted that the Germanic tribes east of the Rhine,found the Celtic culture repugnant and cruel.
The belief system included a reincarnation belief similar to the Talmudic "Guff" where souls never die,but are held,waiting for a suitable body to reside.and a belief that everything was alive and had some sort of soul,not unlike many North American natives.
Most importantly,It must be remembered that a "Druid" in antiquity was not a religion, a Druid was a priest to the Celtic religions,a person. Tacticus,mentions the only real documented event of Sorcery,where when his Legions landed at an Island off the coast of Wales, Druids(priests) led the Celtic forces and attempted to cast a spell upon Roman troops,invariably,the tactic failed and Suetonius Paulinus' forces annihilated their forces.This event has been disputed my modern scholars, but recently discovered writings confirming it from Diodorus Siculus, a philosopher wrote this description in his 'Bibliotheca historicae',and seems to lend credence to Tacticus' account.

[messianicdruid]

Evidence suggests there were many Christian missions sent to evangelize Britain beginning in the first century. Such jurisdictions as the Hebraic (Jerusalem), Ephesine, East Syrian, Alexandrian and Roman Churches can all be argued as present at some period with historically founded conviction. To facilitate the conversion of the Celts, further evidence suggests that the Druidic schools were often converted to Christianity as a whole since their theology of God was not totally dissimilar to the Israelites and later, Christianity:
"This was the Druidic trinity, the three aspects of which were known as Beli, Taran, Esu or Yesu. When Christianity preached Jesus as God, it preached the most familiar name of its own deity to Druidism: and in the ancient British tongue 'Jesus' has never assumed its Greek, Latin, or Hebrew form, but remains the pure Druidic 'Yesu.' It is singular thus that the ancient Briton has never changed the name of the God he and his forefathers worshipped, nor has ever worshipped but one God."
It is believed by many historians that the Druids did communicate with their counterparts in other cultures including those in the middle East and the Orient. This suggests that the Hebrew Scriptures were well known to them as were other religious writings.

"For enquire, I pray thee, of the former age, and prepare thyself to the search of their fathers: For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth are a shadow" (Job 8:8-9).

The further back we journey into the historical and religious mists of the ancient world, the more amazed we should be at how these antiquitous records authenticate the annals found in the Hebrew Scriptures.

Early Druid writings tell of God in Hebrew thought-forms. The universe is infinite, being the body of the being who out of himself [a Judahite thought-form identical to the belief of 1st century Hebrews in Judaea] evolved or created it, and now pervades and rules it, as the mind of man does his body. The essence of this being is pure, mental light, and therefore he is called Du-w, Duw (the one without any darkness). His real name is an ineffable mystery, and so also is his nature. [Sound familiar?]. To the human mind, though not in himself he necessarily represents a triple aspect in relation to the past, present and future [God’s triunity]; the creator as to the past, the saviour or conserver as to the present, the renovator or re-creator as to the future. "There are Three Primeval Unities, and more than one of each cannot exist; One God: One Truth: and One Point of Liberty where all opposites preponderate. Three things proceed from the Three Primeval Unities: All of life, All that is Good, and All Power" (Matthew Arnold).

The Druids also believed, according to scholar Max Mueller -- one-time professor of Sanskrit at Oxford -- that nature was merely God "in disguise." As we progress in resurrecting the first century thought-form we are uncovering a massive wealth of evidence that substantiates the biblical revelation! The Druid doctrine concerning man’s spiritual life is framed in the Druidic Triads:

"In every person there is a soul,
In every soul there is intelligence:
In every intelligence there is thought,
In every thought there is either good or evil:
In every evil there is death;
In every good there is life,
In every life there is God."

The Druids were Hebrew Priests.

"The word Celt is the Anglicised form of the Greek word Keltoi, which means "the people who are different.*" In Scripture, all nations, except the Twelve Tribes of Israel, are referred to as Gentiles (Foreigners), so the only people who are different are Israel. The word Celt is therefore another word for Israelite. The Celts are part of the Ten "lost" Tribes of Israel; as are the Tuatha de Danaan and Milesians. The Irish people are a mixture of Celts; Danaans; Milesians; Judah/Zarahites (of the "Red Hand" - Genesis 38:28-30§); (Dan-ish) Vikings and Norsemen and are all racially cousins." JAH


* Deuteronomy 14:2 For thou [art] an holy people unto the "I AM" thy God, and the "I AM" hath chosen thee to be a peculiar* people unto Himself, above all the nations that [are] upon the earth.
* Special - Different (Oxford dictionary).


"Also the word British is not English; it is Hebrew.
Brit (Berit) means Covenant in Hebrew and Welsh
Ish means man or people of, in Hebrew and English
Therefore British means The People of The Covenant,
in other words, the People Israel of The Covenant." JAH



I strongly disagree with your entomology of these words, you can read any old Briton or Celtic texts and see the languages are totally unrelated to Hebrew. Britain is derived from "Pri-tain" which means "Disfigured person" probably from the massive amounts of tatoos the ancients had on their bodies. also Hebrew priests did not worship in this manner. Druids are not Hebrew.


I'm not the only witness:

. Alfred the Great, in the 9th century, created the basis of what is our common law, which is the foundation of jurisprudence in Aryan civilization. The 33rd Law of Alfred reads: “Vex thou not comers from afar and strangers, for remember, ye were once strangers in Egypt.” (See Exodus 22:21)

· The Scottish Declaration of Independence of April 6, 1320 states regarding the ancestors of its creators: “ . . . and coming thence one-thousand two-hundred years after the outgoing of the people of Israel, they by many victories . . .”

· Alexander Cruden, author of the well-known Cruden’s Complete Concordance, addressed his preface to King George III, saying, “. . . May the great God be the guide of your life, and direct and prosper you, that it may be said by present and future ages, that King George III hath been sent an Hezekiah to our British Israel . . .

· Sir Walter Scott, in his novel Woodstock, has Oliver Cromwell use these words in Chapter 30: “How as my soul liveth, and as He liveth who hath made me ruler in Israel . . .”

· William Tyndale, the great English religious reformer, who translated the Bible into English, announced in 1530 his discovery of the likeness between the Hebrew and English languages, which made English the most suitable of any language into which to translate the Bible.

· In 1590 the French Magistrate Counsellor LeMoyer wrote a large volume entitled The Lost Ten Tribes Found, stating that they formed the then English peoples. (Petite Parisien)

· Sir Francis Drake (1540-1596), while on the ship “Bonaventure,” wrote John Fox and besought the prayers of Fox that “. . . God may be glorified, His church, our Queen and Country preserved, the enemies of truth vanquished, that we might have continual peace in Israel. Our enemies are many but our Protector commandeth the whole earth. . .”

· Isaac Watts, composer of over 500 hymns, revealed his knowledge of true Israel is his poem entitled “Israel’s Poem.”

· Queen Elizabeth I was known as the “Light of Israel.”

· Vincenzio Galilei, father of the famous astronomer, writing in 1581 about the origin of the harp in Ireland, mentions the native Irish tradition that they had descended from the royal Prophet David.

· In 1502, Columbus wrote of his voyages to King Ferdinand of Spain, “. . . Fully accomplished were the words of Isaiah . . .” (See Isaiah 49:1-12)

· The famed English author, John Lily, in his Euphes and his England, gives evidence of his knowledge and agreement with the Israelitish origins of the people of the British Isles.

· King James VI of Scotland (James I of England) claimed that the Lord had made him king over Israel, and upon the gold coin of his day, called the “Jacobus,” he had inscribed in Latin the prophecy of Ezekiel 37:22– “I will make of them one nation.”

· In the time of Cromwell (circa 1647) a political reform movement called the “Levellers” sought reforms which threatened the dictator’s power. Both Everard and Winstanley, prominent Levellers, are mentioned in connection with the belief in the Israelitish origin of the Saxon, Cletic and kindred peoples.

· In 1671, a pamphlet issued in Nether Dutch stated that the English-speaking people were Israel.

· John Dryden (1681), in one of his poems, referred to England by the name Israel fourteen times.

· In 1723 Dr. Abbadie published, in Amsterdam, Le Triomphe de al Providence et de la Religion, expressing the view that the Northern European Tribes, from which the English derive, are the Ten “Lost Tribes” of Israel: “. . . Unless the Ten Trbes of Israel are flown into the air, or sunk into the earth, they must be those ten Gothic tribes that entered Europe in the 5th century, overthrew the Roman Empire and founded the ten nations of modern Europe. . .”

· In the early 1800's Thomas Jefferson, recalling the death of George Washington, stated: “I felt on his death with my countrymen, that verily a great man hath fallen this day in Israel.”

· Dr. Moses Margouliouth, a 19th century Jewish scholar, in his History of the Jews, said, “. . . It may not be out of place to state that the Isles afar off mentioned in the 31st chapter of Jeremiah were supposed by the ancients to be Brittania, Scotia and Hibernia (Ireland).”

· “Hibernia” (Ireland) translates to “Land of the Hebrews.” Likewise, “Iberia” (Spain) translates to “Land of the Hebrews.”

· Former New York City Mayor Ed Koch, during the 1987 St. Patrick’s Day parade, told a UPI reporter, “. . . The ten lost tribes of Israel, we believe, ended up in Ireland.”

· Sir Oliver J. Lodge, noted English scientist (1851-1940), stated: “We, too, are a chosen people. It were blasphemy to deny our birthright and responsibility. Our destiny in the world is no small one. We are peopling great tracts of the earth and carrying thither our language and customs. The migrating of that primitive tribe from Ur of the Chaldees, under the leadership of that splendid old chief, Abram, into the land of promise, was an event fraught with stupendous results for the human race.”

· The famed Baptist evangelist Charles H. Spurgeon, who died in 1892, showed in Volume 2, page 154 of his book The Treasury of the Old Testament that England and America were Israel.

· The U.S. Supreme Court case #6914, known as the “Huntress” case of November 5, 1840, in reference to the neglect of the (U.S.) Constitution for seven years said: “. . . We may well ask, with some feelings of surprise, where, during these seven years, were slumbering the watchmen of our American Israel?” (12 Fed. Case page 993)

· From the declaration of principles given in the United Israel Bulletin of April, 1951, (a non-Christian, Jewish publication): “We believe that the Ten Tribes of Israel exist within the Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Scandinavian, American people, and that they in fact constitute them and that they are Hebrews. . .”

· Regarding contemporary Jews, the 1980 Jewish Almanac states on page 3: “Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call a contemporary Jew an ‘Israelite’ or a ‘Hebrew’.”

http://www.originofnations.org/books,%20papers/quotes%20etc/misc_quotes.htm

[messianicdruid]

"Hebrew priests did not worship in this manner. Druids are not Hebrew."

I am not defending what the "druids" are now. God divorced the Israelites and cast them out because they worshipped in "groves" and followed other gods {rulemakers}. Worshipping trees {creation} rather than the Creator is idolatry {paganism}.

Pay attention to the discovery attributed to Tyndale {above}. He had more familiarity with Hebrew than probably any other Englishman of his time.

I haven't read all of this:

http://www.israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/S-95.htm

but the first page has some stuff about the similarities between english/welsh/hebrew.

[keehah]

At this point, if you started making sense Keehah, I wouldn't listen to you anyway. Call me closed minded. I'd call it wise.

You asked me to put the symbols and interpretation in words and I did just for you.
I apologize profusely.

Edit to add:

britannica.com Zoroaster Ahura-Mazda-and-the-Beneficent-Immortals (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/658060/Zoroaster/8137/Ahura-Mazda-and-the-Beneficent-Immortals)

Monotheism and dualism.

The conspicuous monotheism of Zoroaster’s teaching is apparently disturbed by a pronounced dualism: the Wise Lord has an opponent, Ahriman, who embodies the principle of evil, and whose followers, having freely chosen him, also are evil. This ethical dualism is rooted in the Zoroastrian cosmology. He taught that in the beginning there was a meeting of the two spirits, who were free to choose—in the words of the Gāthās—“life or not life.” This original choice gave birth to a good and an evil principle. Corresponding to the former is a Kingdom of Justice and Truth; to the latter, the Kingdom of the Lie (Druj), populated by the daevas, the evil spirits (originally prominent old Indo-Iranian gods). Monotheism, however, prevails over the cosmogonic and ethical dualism because Ahura Mazdā is father of both spirits, who were divided into the two opposed principles only through their choice and decision.

The Wise Lord, together with the amesha spentas, will at last vanquish the spirit of evil: this message, implying the end of the cosmic and ethical dualism, seems to constitute Zoroaster’s main religious reform. His monotheistic solution resolves the old strict dualism. The dualist principle, however, reappears in an acute form in a later period, after Zoroaster.

http://www.sullivan-county.com/z/dualism.htm

This cosmic dualism has misled many otherwise well- educated Western thinkers to regard Zoroastrianism as a religion that has two gods - a "Good God" and a "Bad God." This is the cliche that has literally "bedeviled" Western ideas about Zoroastrianism. But this notion of Two Gods has never been part of Zoroastrian belief. Zoroastrians have always believed that there is only one God, Ahura Mazda (or Ohrmazd). Angra Mainyu, or Ahriman, may appear to be powerful and even to have divine characteristics, but he has never been divine. From Zarathushtra's teaching onwards, the Evil Spirit is considered a subordinate entity in rebellion against the One God and His Truth. His reign is temporary, and he is not eternal.

[bellevuebully]

At this point, if you started making sense Keehah, I wouldn't listen to you anyway. Call me closed minded. I'd call it wise.

You asked me to put the symbols and interpretation in words and I did just for you.
I apologize profusely.



I accept your apology. But I maintain, after reviewing that post many times, I can't make heads or tails of it. Feel free to try to clarify the post.

[Fortyone]

Evidence suggests there were many Christian missions sent to evangelize Britain beginning in the first century. Such jurisdictions as the Hebraic (Jerusalem), Ephesine, East Syrian, Alexandrian and Roman Churches can all be argued as present at some period with historically founded conviction. To facilitate the conversion of the Celts, further evidence suggests that the Druidic schools were often converted to Christianity as a whole since their theology of God was not totally dissimilar to the Israelites and later, Christianity:
"This was the Druidic trinity, the three aspects of which were known as Beli, Taran, Esu or Yesu. When Christianity preached Jesus as God, it preached the most familiar name of its own deity to Druidism: and in the ancient British tongue 'Jesus' has never assumed its Greek, Latin, or Hebrew form, but remains the pure Druidic 'Yesu.' It is singular thus that the ancient Briton has never changed the name of the God he and his forefathers worshipped, nor has ever worshipped but one God."
It is believed by many historians that the Druids did communicate with their counterparts in other cultures including those in the middle East and the Orient. This suggests that the Hebrew Scriptures were well known to them as were other religious writings.

"For enquire, I pray thee, of the former age, and prepare thyself to the search of their fathers: For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth are a shadow" (Job 8:8-9).

The further back we journey into the historical and religious mists of the ancient world, the more amazed we should be at how these antiquitous records authenticate the annals found in the Hebrew Scriptures.

Early Druid writings tell of God in Hebrew thought-forms. The universe is infinite, being the body of the being who out of himself [a Judahite thought-form identical to the belief of 1st century Hebrews in Judaea] evolved or created it, and now pervades and rules it, as the mind of man does his body. The essence of this being is pure, mental light, and therefore he is called Du-w, Duw (the one without any darkness). His real name is an ineffable mystery, and so also is his nature. [Sound familiar?]. To the human mind, though not in himself he necessarily represents a triple aspect in relation to the past, present and future [God’s triunity]; the creator as to the past, the saviour or conserver as to the present, the renovator or re-creator as to the future. "There are Three Primeval Unities, and more than one of each cannot exist; One God: One Truth: and One Point of Liberty where all opposites preponderate. Three things proceed from the Three Primeval Unities: All of life, All that is Good, and All Power" (Matthew Arnold).

The Druids also believed, according to scholar Max Mueller -- one-time professor of Sanskrit at Oxford -- that nature was merely God "in disguise." As we progress in resurrecting the first century thought-form we are uncovering a massive wealth of evidence that substantiates the biblical revelation! The Druid doctrine concerning man’s spiritual life is framed in the Druidic Triads:

"In every person there is a soul,
In every soul there is intelligence:
In every intelligence there is thought,
In every thought there is either good or evil:
In every evil there is death;
In every good there is life,
In every life there is God."

The Druids were Hebrew Priests.

"The word Celt is the Anglicised form of the Greek word Keltoi, which means "the people who are different.*" In Scripture, all nations, except the Twelve Tribes of Israel, are referred to as Gentiles (Foreigners), so the only people who are different are Israel. The word Celt is therefore another word for Israelite. The Celts are part of the Ten "lost" Tribes of Israel; as are the Tuatha de Danaan and Milesians. The Irish people are a mixture of Celts; Danaans; Milesians; Judah/Zarahites (of the "Red Hand" - Genesis 38:28-30§); (Dan-ish) Vikings and Norsemen and are all racially cousins." JAH


* Deuteronomy 14:2 For thou [art] an holy people unto the "I AM" thy God, and the "I AM" hath chosen thee to be a peculiar* people unto Himself, above all the nations that [are] upon the earth.
* Special - Different (Oxford dictionary).


"Also the word British is not English; it is Hebrew.
Brit (Berit) means Covenant in Hebrew and Welsh
Ish means man or people of, in Hebrew and English
Therefore British means The People of The Covenant,
in other words, the People Israel of The Covenant." JAH



I strongly disagree with your entomology of these words, you can read any old Briton or Celtic texts and see the languages are totally unrelated to Hebrew. Britain is derived from "Pri-tain" which means "Disfigured person" probably from the massive amounts of tatoos the ancients had on their bodies. also Hebrew priests did not worship in this manner. Druids are not Hebrew.


I'm not the only witness:

. Alfred the Great, in the 9th century, created the basis of what is our common law, which is the foundation of jurisprudence in Aryan civilization. The 33rd Law of Alfred reads: “Vex thou not comers from afar and strangers, for remember, ye were once strangers in Egypt.” (See Exodus 22:21)

· The Scottish Declaration of Independence of April 6, 1320 states regarding the ancestors of its creators: “ . . . and coming thence one-thousand two-hundred years after the outgoing of the people of Israel, they by many victories . . .”

· Alexander Cruden, author of the well-known Cruden’s Complete Concordance, addressed his preface to King George III, saying, “. . . May the great God be the guide of your life, and direct and prosper you, that it may be said by present and future ages, that King George III hath been sent an Hezekiah to our British Israel . . .

· Sir Walter Scott, in his novel Woodstock, has Oliver Cromwell use these words in Chapter 30: “How as my soul liveth, and as He liveth who hath made me ruler in Israel . . .”

· William Tyndale, the great English religious reformer, who translated the Bible into English, announced in 1530 his discovery of the likeness between the Hebrew and English languages, which made English the most suitable of any language into which to translate the Bible.

· In 1590 the French Magistrate Counsellor LeMoyer wrote a large volume entitled The Lost Ten Tribes Found, stating that they formed the then English peoples. (Petite Parisien)

· Sir Francis Drake (1540-1596), while on the ship “Bonaventure,” wrote John Fox and besought the prayers of Fox that “. . . God may be glorified, His church, our Queen and Country preserved, the enemies of truth vanquished, that we might have continual peace in Israel. Our enemies are many but our Protector commandeth the whole earth. . .”

· Isaac Watts, composer of over 500 hymns, revealed his knowledge of true Israel is his poem entitled “Israel’s Poem.”

· Queen Elizabeth I was known as the “Light of Israel.”

· Vincenzio Galilei, father of the famous astronomer, writing in 1581 about the origin of the harp in Ireland, mentions the native Irish tradition that they had descended from the royal Prophet David.

· In 1502, Columbus wrote of his voyages to King Ferdinand of Spain, “. . . Fully accomplished were the words of Isaiah . . .” (See Isaiah 49:1-12)

· The famed English author, John Lily, in his Euphes and his England, gives evidence of his knowledge and agreement with the Israelitish origins of the people of the British Isles.

· King James VI of Scotland (James I of England) claimed that the Lord had made him king over Israel, and upon the gold coin of his day, called the “Jacobus,” he had inscribed in Latin the prophecy of Ezekiel 37:22– “I will make of them one nation.”

· In the time of Cromwell (circa 1647) a political reform movement called the “Levellers” sought reforms which threatened the dictator’s power. Both Everard and Winstanley, prominent Levellers, are mentioned in connection with the belief in the Israelitish origin of the Saxon, Cletic and kindred peoples.

· In 1671, a pamphlet issued in Nether Dutch stated that the English-speaking people were Israel.

· John Dryden (1681), in one of his poems, referred to England by the name Israel fourteen times.

· In 1723 Dr. Abbadie published, in Amsterdam, Le Triomphe de al Providence et de la Religion, expressing the view that the Northern European Tribes, from which the English derive, are the Ten “Lost Tribes” of Israel: “. . . Unless the Ten Trbes of Israel are flown into the air, or sunk into the earth, they must be those ten Gothic tribes that entered Europe in the 5th century, overthrew the Roman Empire and founded the ten nations of modern Europe. . .”

· In the early 1800's Thomas Jefferson, recalling the death of George Washington, stated: “I felt on his death with my countrymen, that verily a great man hath fallen this day in Israel.”

· Dr. Moses Margouliouth, a 19th century Jewish scholar, in his History of the Jews, said, “. . . It may not be out of place to state that the Isles afar off mentioned in the 31st chapter of Jeremiah were supposed by the ancients to be Brittania, Scotia and Hibernia (Ireland).”

· “Hibernia” (Ireland) translates to “Land of the Hebrews.” Likewise, “Iberia” (Spain) translates to “Land of the Hebrews.”

· Former New York City Mayor Ed Koch, during the 1987 St. Patrick’s Day parade, told a UPI reporter, “. . . The ten lost tribes of Israel, we believe, ended up in Ireland.”

· Sir Oliver J. Lodge, noted English scientist (1851-1940), stated: “We, too, are a chosen people. It were blasphemy to deny our birthright and responsibility. Our destiny in the world is no small one. We are peopling great tracts of the earth and carrying thither our language and customs. The migrating of that primitive tribe from Ur of the Chaldees, under the leadership of that splendid old chief, Abram, into the land of promise, was an event fraught with stupendous results for the human race.”

· The famed Baptist evangelist Charles H. Spurgeon, who died in 1892, showed in Volume 2, page 154 of his book The Treasury of the Old Testament that England and America were Israel.

· The U.S. Supreme Court case #6914, known as the “Huntress” case of November 5, 1840, in reference to the neglect of the (U.S.) Constitution for seven years said: “. . . We may well ask, with some feelings of surprise, where, during these seven years, were slumbering the watchmen of our American Israel?” (12 Fed. Case page 993)

· From the declaration of principles given in the United Israel Bulletin of April, 1951, (a non-Christian, Jewish publication): “We believe that the Ten Tribes of Israel exist within the Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Scandinavian, American people, and that they in fact constitute them and that they are Hebrews. . .”

· Regarding contemporary Jews, the 1980 Jewish Almanac states on page 3: “Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call a contemporary Jew an ‘Israelite’ or a ‘Hebrew’.”

http://www.originofnations.org/books,%20papers/quotes%20etc/misc_quotes.htm



The time periods you mention all mention that belief. The Philidelphia church of God also teaches this. I can find historically accurate holes in all these claims.
1. Scotland, was populated by two different ,unrelated ethnic groups, Picts and Celts. Which is the Hebrew?
2. English language is Germanic,not Hebrew, English blood is not Celtic
3. It was common long ago to call Christianity "Israel" as the believers of the time thought they were the exclusive ,chosen ones of the Bible. IMHO the Bible neither mentions these lost ten tribes as a returning group,they are simply lost in antiquity. Ethnically they would still have been related to the remaining peoples of present day Palestine, they show very little DNA relation whatsoever, or even common similarities in appearance.
4. If the Celtic peoples were indeed these people,They should have retained at least some of the Ethnic and culture of their ancestors,Today, most cultures still have quite a bit of culture and tradition from their ancestors of 1-2000 years ago, That would have surely been the case there as well.
5. No mention in antiquity by any contemporary writers or historians, Roman and Persian scholars would have known this and documented it as they had full knowledge of the Hebrews.
6. These claims originally were all made in the Dark Ages by recently civilized Barbarians trying to gain credibility and establish a historical origin for themselves as they had mostly been nomadic raiders a few centuries before, Angles, Saxons, Normans,Frisians,and then repeated by Renaissance period writers. The more current claims like Jew Mayor Koch, are diversionary, as Khazars also claim ethnic relation to Israel, this is a ploy to show relation between Khazar Jews and Western peoples.

I post this to show truths and not to cause argument, but really look at historical fact rather than emotional attachment by some long ago king looking for justification of the Crusades.

[messianicdruid]

"I post this to show truths and not to cause argument..."

We are agreed in purpose. You see holes, unfilled; I see promises, fulfilled.

"Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare [it] in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd [doth] his flock.. And it shall come to pass, [that] like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the LORD...Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [and] the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts [is] his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, [then] the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD."

[silver solution]

"Hebrew priests did not worship in this manner. Druids are not Hebrew."

I am not defending what the "druids" are now. God divorced the Israelites and cast them out because they worshipped in "groves" and followed other gods {rulemakers}. Worshipping trees {creation} rather than the Creator is idolatry {paganism}.

Pay attention to the discovery attributed to Tyndale {above}. He had more familiarity with Hebrew than probably any other Englishman of his time.

I haven't read all of this:

http://www.israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/S-95.htm

but the first page has some stuff about the similarities between english/welsh/hebrew.

You just post That England is Israel? Then you state that their (Israels) priests class are not Hebrews??

[messianicdruid]

"Hebrew priests did not worship in this manner. Druids are not Hebrew."

I am not defending what the "druids" are now. God divorced the Israelites and cast them out because they worshipped in "groves" and followed other gods {rulemakers}. Worshipping trees {creation} rather than the Creator is idolatry {paganism}.

Pay attention to the discovery attributed to Tyndale {above}. He had more familiarity with Hebrew than probably any other Englishman of his time.

I haven't read all of this:

http://www.israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/S-95.htm

but the first page has some stuff about the similarities between english/welsh/hebrew.

You just post[ed] that England is Israel? Then you state that their (Israel's) priests class are not Hebrews??
I believe that the Israelites were dispersed north and west of Palestine and some of them ended up in England. They were divorced for following others gods {rulemakers} and being unfaithful to the Covenant which they agreed to. The gospel is an offer of reconciliation to all the caucausians, and "whosoever will". You'll have to research the quote about them not being Hebrew upline.

[Fortyone]

And IF actually ended up in Britain, what would that mean?NOTHING, they remained pagans until the late Roman period.The Anglican church did not exist until Henry had the split with the Vatican. So there is no connection religiously whatsoever.

[messianicdruid]

And IF actually ended up in Britain, what would that mean? NOTHING, they remained pagans until the late Roman period. The Anglican church did not exist until Henry had the split with the Vatican. So there is no connection religiously whatsoever.
I think we were discussing cultural markers rather than any religious connection.

[silver solution]

And IF actually ended up in Britain, what would that mean?NOTHING, they remained pagans until the late Roman period.The Anglican church did not exist until Henry had the split with the Vatican. So there is no connection religiously whatsoever.


Wrong they were following the Hebrew God in the Covenant islands for thousands of years.

I bet you think some towel heads brought Jesus the gold:-) Wrong!!

[Fortyone]

And IF actually ended up in Britain, what would that mean?NOTHING, they remained pagans until the late Roman period.The Anglican church did not exist until Henry had the split with the Vatican. So there is no connection religiously whatsoever.


Wrong they were following the Hebrew God in the Covenant islands for thousands of years.

I bet you think some towel heads brought Jesus the gold:-) Wrong!!


You have zero historical fact to back up your argument, You are using word similarity to back up your claims. When you one day realize that "Israel" of the NT, is Christianity,and not a literal people,you will be better off.

[silver solution]

And IF actually ended up in Britain, what would that mean?NOTHING, they remained pagans until the late Roman period.The Anglican church did not exist until Henry had the split with the Vatican. So there is no connection religiously whatsoever.


Wrong they were following the Hebrew God in the Covenant islands for thousands of years.

I bet you think some towel heads brought Jesus the gold:-) Wrong!!


You have zero historical fact to back up your argument, You are using word similarity to back up your claims. When you one day realize that "Israel" of the NT, is Christianity,and not a literal people,you will be better off.
You ever heard of Pillar of Jacob? How did that wind up in the Coventant Islands for the like the last three thousand year? How come all those kings have been crowned on it all over the Covenant Islands for thousands of years?

[Fortyone]

And IF actually ended up in Britain, what would that mean?NOTHING, they remained pagans until the late Roman period.The Anglican church did not exist until Henry had the split with the Vatican. So there is no connection religiously whatsoever.


Wrong they were following the Hebrew God in the Covenant islands for thousands of years.

I bet you think some towel heads brought Jesus the gold:-) Wrong!!


You have zero historical fact to back up your argument, You are using word similarity to back up your claims. When you one day realize that "Israel" of the NT, is Christianity,and not a literal people,you will be better off.
You ever heard of Pillar of Jacob? How did that wind up in the Coventant Islands for the like the last three thousand year? How come all those kings have been crowned on it all over the Covenant Islands for thousands of years?


They havent been crowned on it for thousands of years. For one, There wasnt any kings in Britain during the Roman period. During the Anglo Saxon period, there was more than one king.The stone was brought from Ireland to Scotland, then later to England.The ancient Irish were known seafarers, It is not out of the question to assume that the stone was brought there and delivered as a gift.The story you are using borders on using Arthurian legend as a basis of fact.

[silver solution]

And IF actually ended up in Britain, what would that mean?NOTHING, they remained pagans until the late Roman period.The Anglican church did not exist until Henry had the split with the Vatican. So there is no connection religiously whatsoever.


Wrong they were following the Hebrew God in the Covenant islands for thousands of years.

I bet you think some towel heads brought Jesus the gold:-) Wrong!!


You have zero historical fact to back up your argument, You are using word similarity to back up your claims. When you one day realize that "Israel" of the NT, is Christianity,and not a literal people,you will be better off.
You ever heard of Pillar of Jacob? How did that wind up in the Coventant Islands for the like the last three thousand year? How come all those kings have been crowned on it all over the Covenant Islands for thousands of years?


They havent been crowned on it for thousands of years. For one, There wasnt any kings in Britain during the Roman period. During the Anglo Saxon period, there was more than one king.The stone was brought from Ireland to Scotland, then later to England.The ancient Irish were known seafarers, It is not out of the question to assume that the stone was brought there and delivered as a gift.The story you are using borders on using Arthurian legend as a basis of fact.


Isreal would not give Jacobs, Davids, Christs, Gods Stone away to strangers.

God would not let that happen!!

The High Kings of Ireland was crowned on it on the Hill of Torah for near 2000 years.

Ever see the flag of Ulster flag?

[gunDriller]

i thought the druids were sort of like gypsies.

i would say "Druid" is at least a good word for Scrabble but it's a low-scoring word.

[ShortJohnSilver]

Isreal would not give Jacobs, Davids, Christs, Gods Stone away to strangers.

God would not let that happen!!

The High Kings of Ireland was crowned on it on the Hill of Torah for near 2000 years.

Ever see the flag of Ulster flag?


Actually the flag of Ulster on Wikipedia does not have the crown and six pointed star on it, if that is what you are referring to.

[Fortyone]

And IF actually ended up in Britain, what would that mean?NOTHING, they remained pagans until the late Roman period.The Anglican church did not exist until Henry had the split with the Vatican. So there is no connection religiously whatsoever.


Wrong they were following the Hebrew God in the Covenant islands for thousands of years.

I bet you think some towel heads brought Jesus the gold:-) Wrong!!


You have zero historical fact to back up your argument, You are using word similarity to back up your claims. When you one day realize that "Israel" of the NT, is Christianity,and not a literal people,you will be better off.
You ever heard of Pillar of Jacob? How did that wind up in the Coventant Islands for the like the last three thousand year? How come all those kings have been crowned on it all over the Covenant Islands for thousands of years?


They havent been crowned on it for thousands of years. For one, There wasnt any kings in Britain during the Roman period. During the Anglo Saxon period, there was more than one king.The stone was brought from Ireland to Scotland, then later to England.The ancient Irish were known seafarers, It is not out of the question to assume that the stone was brought there and delivered as a gift.The story you are using borders on using Arthurian legend as a basis of fact.


Isreal would not give Jacobs, Davids, Christs, Gods Stone away to strangers.

God would not let that happen!!

The High Kings of Ireland was crowned on it on the Hill of Torah for near 2000 years.

Ever see the flag of Ulster flag?



You go ahead and hold a rock as a sacred object like a Muslim,Jesus Christ did not sit upon a throne on this Earth,nor claim to be a King,Im an Orthodox Christian,stones are not held in high regard.British Israelism has been disproved many times.

[silver solution]

"You go ahead and hold a rock as a sacred object like a Muslim,Jesus Christ did not sit upon a throne on this Earth,nor claim to be a King,Im an Orthodox Christian,stones are not held in high regard.British Israelism has been disproved many times."

Its never been disproved. It was taught in English schools not all that long ago that Jesus was raised in England.

It all in letters written by the elites and those that are taught at good schools. Its in letter to popes.

You can believe Jesus stayed in Egypt and some Arabs were the wise men but I know better.

http://www.flags.net/NOIR.htm

On the beautiful Ulster flag there is a "Red Hand" mounted on the "Star of David", under a Royal Crown. This flag is no longer used by government but its painted on buildings in N. Ireland to this day.

Davids Harp was all over Irelands coins.

Genesis 28:11 And he (Jacob) lighted upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put [them for] his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep.
28:12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.
28:13 And, behold, the "I AM" stood above it, and said, I [am] the "I AM" God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;
28:14 And thy seed (Jacob's) shall be as "the dust of the earth", and thou shalt spread abroad to the West (U.S.A.), and to the East (Australasia), and to the North (Canada), and to the South (Africa): and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.
28:15 And, behold, I [am] with thee, and will keep thee in all [places] where thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done [that] which I have spoken to thee of.
28:16 And Jacob awaked out of his sleep, and he said, Surely the "I AM" is in this place; and I knew not.
28:17 And he was afraid, and said, How dreadful [is] this place! this [is] none other but the house of God, and this [is] the gate of heaven.
28:18 And Jacob rose up early in the morning, and took the Stone that he had put [for] his pillows, and set it up [for] a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it.
28:19 And he called the name of that place Bethel (House of God): but the name of that city [was called] Luz at the first.
28:20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and clothing to put on,
28:21 So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the "I AM" be my God:
28:22 And this Stone, which I have set [for] a pillar, shall be God's house (Bethel): and of all that Thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto Thee.
Genesis 31:11 And the angel of God spoke unto me in a dream, [saying], Jacob: And I said, Here [am] I.
31:12 And he said, Lift up now thine eyes, and see, all the rams which leap upon the cattle [are] ringstraked, speckled, and grisled: for I have seen all that Laban doeth unto thee.
31:13 I [am] the God of Bethel, where thou anointedst the pillar, [and] where thou vowedst a vow unto Me: now arise, get thee out from this land, and return unto the land of thy kindred.

Genesis 35:1 And God said unto Jacob, Arise, go up to Bethel, and dwell there: and make there an altar unto God, That appeared unto thee when thou fleddest from the face of Esau thy brother.
35:2 Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that [were] with him, Put away the strange gods that [are] among you, and be clean, and change your garments:
35:3 And let us arise, and go up to Bethel; and I will make there an altar unto God, who answered me in the day of my distress, and was with me in the way which I went.
35:4 And they gave unto Jacob all the strange gods which [were] in their hand, and [all their] earrings which [were] in their ears; and Jacob hid them under the oak which [was] by Shechem.
35:5 And they journeyed: and the terror of God was upon the cities that [were] round about them, and they did not pursue after the sons of Jacob.
35:6 So Jacob came to Luz, which [is] in the land of Canaan, that [is], Bethel, he and all the people that [were] with him.
35:7 And he built there an altar, and called the place Elbethel: because there God appeared unto him, when he fled from the face of his brother (Esau).
35:9 And God appeared unto Jacob again, when he came out of Padanaram, and blessed him.
35:10 And God said unto him, Thy name [is] Jacob (the Supplanter): thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and He called his name Israel (champion of God).
35:11 And God said unto him, I [am] God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company (Commonwealth) of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
35:12 And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land.
35:13 And God went up from him in the place where he talked with him.
35:14 And Jacob set up a pillar in the place where he talked with him, [even] a pillar of stone: and he poured a drink offering thereon, and he poured oil thereon.
35:15 And Jacob called the name of the place where God spoke with him, Bethel.

Exodus 17:12 But Moses' hands [were] heavy; and they took a stone, and put [it] under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun.
2 kings
11:13 And when Athaliah heard the noise of the guard [and] of the people, she came to the people into the Temple of the "I AM".
11:14 And when she looked, behold, the king stood by The Pillar, as the manner [was], and the princes and the trumpeters by the king, and all the people of the land rejoiced, and blew with trumpets:
11:17 And Jehoiada made a covenant between the "I AM" and the king and the people, that they should be the "I AM"'s people; between the king also and the people.
11:18 And all the people of the land went into the house of Baal, and brake it down; his altars and his images brake they in pieces thoroughly, and slew Mattan the priest of Baal before the altars. And the priest appointed officers over The House of the "I AM".
11:19 And he took the rulers over hundreds, and the captains, and the guard, and all the people of the land; and they brought down the king from The House of the "I AM", and came by the way of the gate of the guard to the king's house. And he sat on the throne of the kings.
2 kings 22:1 Josiah [was] eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned thirty and one years in Jerusalem. And his mother's name [was] Jedidah, the daughter of Adaiah of Boscath.
22:2 And he did [that which was] right in the sight of the "I AM", and walked in all the way of David his father, and turned not aside to the right hand or to the left (Deuteronomy 5:32).
22:3 And it came to pass in the eighteenth year of king Josiah, [that] the king sent Shaphan the son of Azaliah, the son of Meshullam, the scribe, to The House of the "I AM", saying,
22:4 Go up to Hilkiah the high priest, that he may sum the silver which is brought into The House of the "I AM", which the keepers of the door have gathered from the people:
22:8 And Hilkiah the high priest said unto Shaphan the scribe, I have found the Book of The Law (Torah) in The House of the "I AM". And Hilkiah gave the Book to Shaphan, and he read it.
22:10 And Shaphan the scribe showed the king, saying, Hilkiah the priest hath delivered me a Book. And Shaphan read it before the king.
22:11 And it came to pass, when the king had heard the words of the Book of The Law, that he rent his clothes.
22:12 And the king commanded Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam the son of Shaphan, and Achbor the son of Michaiah, and Shaphan the scribe, and Asahiah a servant of the king's, saying,
22:13 Go ye, enquire of the "I AM" for me, and for the people, and for all Judah, concerning the words of this Book that is found: for great [is] the wrath of the "I AM" that is kindled against us, because our fathers have not hearkened unto the words of this Book, to do according unto ALL that which is written concerning us.
22:14 So Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam, and Achbor, and Shaphan, and Asahiah, went unto Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college;) and they communed with her.
22:15 And she said unto them, Thus saith the "I AM" God of Israel, Tell the man that sent you to me,
22:16 Thus saith the "I AM", Behold, I will bring evil (destruction) upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof, [even] all the words of the Book which the king of Judah hath read:
22:17 Because they have forsaken Me, and have burned incense unto other gods, that they might provoke Me to anger with all the works of their hands; therefore My wrath shall be kindled against this place, and shall not be quenched.
22:18 But to the king of Judah which sent you to enquire of the "I AM", thus shall ye say to him, Thus saith the "I AM" God of Israel, [As touching] the words which thou hast heard;
22:19 Because thine heart was tender, and thou hast humbled thyself before the "I AM", when thou heardest what I spoke against this place, and against the inhabitants thereof, that they should become a desolation and a curse, and hast rent thy clothes, and wept before Me; I also have heard [thee], saith the "I AM".
22:20 Behold therefore, I will gather thee unto thy fathers, and thou shalt be gathered into thy grave in peace; and thine eyes shall not see all the evil which I will bring upon this place. And they brought the king word again.
23:1 And the king sent, and they gathered unto him all the elders of Judah and of Jerusalem.
23:2 And the king went up into The House of the "I AM", and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and he read in their ears all the words of the Book of the Covenant (Torah) which was found in The House of the "I AM".
23:3 And the king stood by The Pillar (Jacob's), and made a covenant before the "I AM", to walk after the "I AM", and to keep His Commandments and His Testimonies and His Statutes with ALL [their] heart and ALL [their] soul, to perform the words of this Covenant that were written in this Book (Torah). And all the people stood to the Covenant.
23:4 And the king commanded Hilkiah the high priest, and the priests of the second order, and the keepers of the door, to bring forth out of the Temple of the "I AM" all the vessels that were made for Baal, and for the grove, and for all the host of heaven: and he burned them outside Jerusalem in the fields of Kidron, and carried the ashes of them unto Bethel.
23:5 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven.
23:6 And he brought out the grove from The House of the "I AM", outside Jerusalem, unto the brook Kidron, and burned it at the brook Kidron, and stamped [it] small to powder, and cast the powder thereof upon the graves of the children of the people.
23:7 And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that [were] by The House of the "I AM", where the women wove hangings for the grove.
23:8 And he brought all the priests out of the cities of Judah, and defiled the high places where the priests had burned incense, from Geba to Beersheba, and broke down the high places of the gates that [were] in the entering in of the gate of Joshua the governor of the city, which [were] on a man's left hand at the gate of the city.
23:9 Nevertheless the priests of the high places came not up to the Altar of the "I AM" in Jerusalem, but they did eat of the unleavened bread among their brethren.
23:10 And he defiled Topheth, which [is] in the valley of the children of Hinnom, that no man might make his son or his daughter to pass through the fire to Molech (human sacrifice).
23:11 And he took away the horses that the kings of Judah had given to the sun, at the entering in of The House of the "I AM", by the chamber of Nathanmelech the chamberlain, which [was] in the suburbs, and burned the chariots of the sun with fire.
23:12 And the altars that [were] on the top of the upper chamber of Ahaz, which the kings of Judah had made, and the altars which Manasseh had made in the two courts of The House of the "I AM", did the king beat down, and broke [them] down from there, and cast the dust of them into the brook Kidron.
23:13 And the high places that [were] before Jerusalem, which [were] on the right hand of the mount of corruption, which Solomon the king of Israel had builded for Ashtoreth (Ishtar - Easter) the abomination of the Zidonians, and for Chemosh the abomination of the Moabites, and for Milcom the abomination of the children of Ammon, did the king defile.
23:14 And he brake in pieces the images, and cut down the groves, and filled their places with the bones of men.
23:15 Moreover the altar that [was] at Bethel, [and] the high place which Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin, had made, both that altar and the high place he brake down, and burned the high place, [and] stamped [it] small to powder, and burned the grove.
23:16 And as Josiah turned himself, he spied the sepulchres that [were] there in the mount, and sent, and took the bones out of the sepulchres, and burned [them] upon the altar, and polluted it, according to the word of the "I AM" which the man of God proclaimed, who proclaimed these words.
23:17 Then he said, What title [is] that that I see? And the men of the city told him, [It is] the sepulchre of the man of God, which came from Judah, and proclaimed these things that thou hast done against the altar of Bethel.
23:18 And he said, Let him alone; let no man move his bones. So they let his bones alone, with the bones of the prophet that came out of Samaria.
23:19 And all the houses also of the high places that [were] in the cities of Samaria, which the kings of Israel had made to provoke [the "I AM"] to anger, Josiah took away, and did to them according to all the acts that he had done in Bethel.
23:20 And he slew all the priests of the high places that [were] there upon the altars, and burned men's bones upon them, and returned to Jerusalem.
23:21 And the king commanded all the people, saying, Keep The Passover (not Ishtar - Easter) unto the "I AM" your God, as [it is] written in the Book of this Covenant.
23:22 Surely there was not holden such a Passover from the days of the judges that judged Israel, nor in all the days of the kings of Israel, nor of the kings of Judah;
23:23 But in the eighteenth year of king Josiah, [wherein] this Passover was holden to the "I AM" in Jerusalem.
23:24 Moreover the [workers with] familiar spirits (mediums), and the wizards, and the images, and the idols, and all the abominations that were spied in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, did Josiah put away, that he might perform the words of The Law which were written in the Book (Torah) that Hilkiah the priest found in The House of the "I AM".
23:25 And like unto him was there no king before him, that turned to the "I AM" with ALL his heart, and with ALL his soul, and with ALL his might, according to ALL The Law of Moses; neither after him arose there [any] like him.
23:26 Notwithstanding the "I AM" turned not from the fierceness of His great wrath, wherewith His anger was kindled against Judah, because of all the provocations that Manasseh had provoked Him withal.
23:27 And the "I AM" said, I will remove Judah also out of My sight, as I have removed Israel, and will cast off this city Jerusalem which I have chosen, and The House of which I said, My name shall be there.
23:28 Now the rest of the acts of Josiah, and all that he did, [are] they not written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Judah?
23:29 In his days Pharaohnechoh king of Egypt went up against the king of Assyria to the river Euphrates: and king Josiah went against him; and he slew him at Megiddo (Ar|mageddo|n), when he had seen him.
23:30 And his servants carried him in a chariot dead from Megiddo, and brought him to Jerusalem, and buried him in his own sepulchre. And the people of the land took Jehoahaz the son of Josiah, and anointed him, and made him king in his father's stead.



2 Chronicles
23:11 Then they brought out the king's son, and put upon him the crown, and [gave him] the Testimony, and made him king. And Jehoiada and his sons anointed him, and said, God save the king.
23:12 Now when Athaliah heard the noise of the people running and praising the king, she came to the people into The House of the "I AM":
23:13 And she looked, and, behold, the king stood at His Pillar at the entering in, and the princes and the trumpets by the king: and all the people of the land rejoiced, and sounded with trumpets, also the singers with instruments of musick, and such as taught to sing praise.

Psalms
118:22 The stone [which] the builders refused is become the head [stone] of the corner.

Hosea
3:4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without The Pillar-Stone, and without an ephod, and [without] teraphim:
3:5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the "I AM" their God, and their Well-Beloved King; and shall fear the "I AM" and His goodness in the latter days.
4:1 Hear the Word of the "I AM", ye children of Israel: for the "I AM" hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because [there is] no Truth, nor Mercy, nor God's Knowledge in the land.
4:2 By swearing, and lying, and killing, and stealing, and committing adultery, they break out, and blood toucheth blood.
4:3 Therefore shall the land mourn, and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish, with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven; yea, the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away.
4:4 Yet let no man strive, nor reprove another: for thy people [are] as they that strive against the priest.
4:5 Therefore shalt thou fall in the day, and the prophet also shall fall with thee in the night, and I will destroy thy mother.
[i]4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of My Knowledge: because thou hast rejected My Knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to Me: seeing thou hast forgotten The Law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Ezekiel 21:26 Thus saith the Lord "I AM"; Remove the diadem (sovereignty), and take off the crown: this [shall] not [be] the same: exalt [him that is] low (Line of Zarah), and abase [him that is] high (Line of Pharez).
21:27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no [more], [overturned] UNTIL he come whose Right it is; and I will give it [him - Shiloh (Gen. 49 v 10)].

Jesus will come and sit on His stone one of these days. He was rejected the first time
but He will return and sit on that rock and Rule.

[silver solution]

Isreal would not give Jacobs, Davids, Christs, Gods Stone away to strangers.

God would not let that happen!!

The High Kings of Ireland was crowned on it on the Hill of Torah for near 2000 years.

Ever see the flag of Ulster flag?


Actually the flag of Ulster on Wikipedia does not have the crown and six pointed star on it, if that is what you are referring to.
The Government stoped using the flag.

Try google.

http://www.flags.net/NOIR.htm

On the beautiful Ulster flag there is a "Red Hand" mounted on the "Star of David", under a Royal Crown. This flag is no longer used by government but its painted on buildings in N. Ireland to this day.