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Twisted Titan
5th October 2010, 02:44 PM
Don't Get Too Excited About Gold -- It's Actually DOWN Compared To The Euro

: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-further-gold-2010-10?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider+%28Business+I nsider%29#ixzz11WRgAYIG


You’ve read the news, Gold at $1320 this week and the analysts are beating each other over their heads as to where the next gold target might be. We heard everything from $1,500 to $5,000 within a few years. All that accompanied with the ongoing debate as to whether we will see continued deflation, inflation or possibly hyper-inflation. So what’s it going to be then?

The short answer is: “It depends”. Let’s forget about semantics for a minute however, and look at the general cost of living and the cost of running a business. There are a myriad of factors influencing the overall cost of running your life or your business. The best assessment of a sort of felt-inflation is a comparison of the overall cost of living with your income. In that sense, on a macro level, the majority of consumers have experienced a significant rise in the cost of living, felt-inflation if you will...

To some extent, that is reflected in the rise of some commodities and most notably in the form of the run on gold which appears to be gathering pace as we speak. Is Gold then the panacea for each of the dreaded outcomes in terms of a protection against deflation AND (hyper)inflation?



In his Investment Outlook October 2010, Bill Gross concludes that:

The most likely consequence of stimulative government policies that strain to get us there will be a declining dollar and a lower standard of living.

If you (still) have a job, that lower standard of living might not be obvious just yet. But the current decline in the value of the Dollar has been gaining pace, despite efforts by some countries (Japan, Brazil) to slow down the rise of their currencies against the Dollar.



While the Gold bulls are tooting their horns, we cannot ignore the fact that a big part of the recent rise in the gold price has been the declining US Dollar. That is apparent when valuing Gold in Euro...



The massive gains in Gold are no longer as profound in other currencies which reflects the decline in the purchasing power of US denominated investors.

Taking nothing away from the incredible bull run in Gold during the past decade, we need to put things into perspective though. An investor faced with uncertainty may seek some relief in Gold. From a safe-haven perspective, Gold has been a good hedge against uncertainty and its most dreaded symptom deflation. The historic inflation record of Gold is somewhat mixed but if official inflation were to resume, the majority of Gold bulls will seek exactly that hedge against inflation by shifting more of their depreciating cash assets into a real asset.

Having said that, one must consider the possibility that the continued rise in Gold will be less pronounced when valued in other currencies. From an investment perspective the Australian Dollar could be a good alternative to Gold in terms of a hedge against the decline of the Dollar. While both the Australian Dollar and Gold can be similarly volatile, there is an added advantage favoring the Aussie. The yield differential against the US$ is about 4% which beats Gold, a non-yielding asset.

However, whether you invest in the “real” currency Gold or in a paper currency such as the Australian Dollar, do not underestimate the volatility both of these currencies can experience. As always, carefully evaluate the risks before investing.



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Twisted Titan
5th October 2010, 02:49 PM
GOOD LORD IN THE COMMENTS THEY ARE RIPPING THIS GUY A NEW ONE........







Orlando Furioso on Oct 3, 9:57 AM said:
You're kidding right? HA ha haha haha ha haha haha ha ha *cough* HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA !!!





Bottom line from this author:

..".I haven't a clue what you should do with your money, but whatever it is be careful. It's a jungle out there. You could really get your winnie whacked. Cherrio !






Any currency will fluctuate in value, but all major fiat currencies are being debased. The fact that the Euro is presently being debased at a slightly lower rate than the US dollar is meaningless for those who transact in dollars. Soon it won't matter anyway, as all fiat currencies are on the steep part of their curve to zero









The most likely consequence of stimulative government policies that strain to get us there will be a declining dollar and a lower standard of living."

Why are you typical white people getting all weeweed out about a lower standard of living? I told you I was going to spread the wealth around!










What an FX trading douche.

Have you looked at the gold charts in multiple currencies beyond a 1 and or 3 month chart?

You're in the FX business. You don't want to see peeps cashing in digits and fiat for physical gold.

You and your arguement are WEAK at best.












The only argument I've ever heard for gold is "all major fiat currencies are being debased."
OK, but that doesn't explain why gold should appreciated more than any other real asset like Elvis memorabilia or Van Gogh paintings, or other metals that are far more rare than gold.

Why should gold vastly exceed its value in terms of industrial use? Why should a bar of gold cost several hundred thousand dollars, while a barrel of oil costs $81? That oil has an actual use and we're running out of it. The first person in history who sold gold was just a crack smoking swindler, tricking the buyer into thinking it has value. That buyer then sold it to an ever bigger sucka, etc.

The usual response to my bearish sentiment is that I just don't get it, and "look at gold's bull run over the last 10 years." Well, past performance is not indicative of future performance.

"[Gold] gets dug out of the ground in Africa, or someplace. Then we melt it down, dig another hole, bury it again and pay people to stand around guarding it. It has no utility. Anyone watching from Mars would be scratching their head.." - Warren Buffett













@Max Noob: Technically it's no different than any other currency except that it can't be created out of thin air. We all agree it's valuable and people are willing to exchange it for goods and services. It's easier to store than barrels of oil or even bags of rice (which also have value and could be exchanged for other things). It only makes sense that since there's going to be 15 quintillion dollars (and other fiat currencies) floating around out there it's going to take a lot more dollars to buy things like gold or oil or food, but it will take less gold to buy those things because there is a fixed amount and Ben can't make more of it than exists. So it's value is actually fixed in relation to everything else especially fiat
currencies.

If we find ourselves in a "The Road" situation, then gold will no longer be valuable and it will be replaced by canned peaches.

If you don't like gold do yourself a favor and buy some silver. I don't think you'll regret it.









@Max Noob: Max, what about reading some monetary history? Gold is money. Besides this it has been used for 1000's of years by smart investors as a store of value in times like these. Difficult to understand? It is all about trust. Trust in your political leaders, bankers or Warren Buffett. If you believe they have the best intentions and not rigged than buy stocks If you believe there is a war going on between savers and speculators and you are one of the savers, then buy gold. Religious? No, a better word is "educated". But really, do what you think is best. If you want to hold on tight to a piece of paper of a bankrupt company, do it! Clemens Kownatzki of FXIS Market Insights will play the confidence game and sell you everything the speculator wants you to buy.

EE_
5th October 2010, 04:20 PM
With the general cost of living and the cost of running a business aside...let's just price gold against fixed interest debt, like a home mortgage. Gold is gaining major ground here, and if it keeps going higher enabling gold holders to pay off mortgages and be debt free, this could offset a rise in the cost of living.
I for one, am excited!

Glass
5th October 2010, 08:25 PM
There is a bit of debate where I work about the price of gold. The contention is that even though the Gold price is reported in USD it is actually very closely pegged to the Aussie dollar. This is pretty interesting and holds a bit of water IMO.

In 2007 the gold price was about AUD $850 to about USD $680. The Aussie was around USD $0.77. Then the Aussie rose to about USD$0.85 a year later and Gold went to around AUD $950. Now we have been looking at the Aussie being $0.92 and the gold price has been around AUD $1150 $1200 for quite some time.

There was a spike in the Gold AUD price in Jan 09 when the AUD US ratio tanked to about USD $0.75. Then it clawed back to the USD $0.90 level and Gold was again in the $1200 - $1300 range.

USD AUD 5 year chart: http://au.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=AUDUSD=X&t=5y&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=

AUD GOLD 5 year chart: http://goldprice.org/charts/history/gold_5_year_o_aud.png