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Apparition
5th October 2010, 03:20 PM
By DIANE STAFFORD
The Kansas City Star

Coming to a Chipotle near you: a lower counter to help more people see their burritos being made.

In a case generating national attention, a federal appellate court last month ruled that Chipotle Mexican Grill’s 45-inch-high wall screening its food-preparation counter was too high for Maurizio Antoninetti, who uses a wheelchair.

He couldn’t watch his food being prepared, so he was denied the full “Chipotle Experience.”

The decision applies only to the Western states covered by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, but Chipotle already has begun lowering the 45-inch walls nationwide. It declined to discuss the cost.

Under the Americans with Disabilities Act, U.S. Justice Department guidelines set 36 inches as the maximum height for such restaurant purposes.

A company spokesman for the restaurant chain, which has about 1,000 locations, said Chipotle “has always worked hard to be accessible to all of our customers, including those with disabilities, and remains compliant with ADA provisions.”

The act, passed 20 years ago, requires equal treatment or accommodations for people with disabilities.

Like many employers, Chipotle has long provided accommodations for those with disabilities.

In Chipotle’s case, that included an official disability policy of bringing ingredients to the tables of diners with disabilities and doing tableside preparation.

But Antoninetti, a San Diego State University employee who has a history of filing ADA-related lawsuits, sued because he “could not watch the food-service employee combine those ingredients to form his order,” unlike a standing person who was tall enough to see the ingredient trays.

The food preparation counter itself is 34 to 35 inches high.

Lawyers, including those at the Kansas City law firm of Stinson Morrison Hecker, have been prompt about putting their clients on alert.

Places of public accommodation “need to consider the implications of this case and whether disabled customers are allowed to ‘experience’ their goods and services without impermissible barriers,” the Stinson briefing said.

The U.S. Labor Department, which observes October as National Disability Employment Awareness Month, notes that 54 million Americans have some form of disability.

Providing people who have disabilities improved access to the workplace remains a challenge, said Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, but the government is committed to “continue building a long-term infrastructure” to improve access.

That Chipotle should have to retrofit its restaurants raised some hackles, even among some people sympathetic to ADA concerns.

When news of the 3-0 appellate panel decision broke in the San Francisco Chronicle, one online reader opined, “Good Lord, people are complaining because they can’t see a taco, get a life.”

Others complained about Antoninetti’s litigation history. A blog post by Walter Olson, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute’s Center for Constitutional Studies, called it “an open scandal … that serial complainants and their lawyers carve out profitable practices … leveling ADA complaints that they then settle for cash.”

The appellate court awarded Antoninetti his attorney’s fees and damages but remanded the case to a district court to determine the reasonable and appropriate amounts.

For its part, Chipotle considers the court decision moot.

In addition to already retrofitting its California locations, “we are incorporating the same design into newly built restaurants and major remodels around the country,” said spokesman Chris Arnold.

Source: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/10/04/2276637/court-backs-man-in-wheelchair.html?mi_pluck_action=comment_submitted&qwxq=4681706#Comments_Container#ixzz11Was5W85


Private-property rights? Forget about them.

Ain't it lovely that government-coerced compassion and accommodation has granted disabled people the power to wreak havoc upon anyone who does not preferentially accommodate them in other peoples' privately-owned properties?

Sometimes I wish that the economy and the federal government could collapse so that worthless parasites, like those mentioned in the article, can no longer engage in this stupidity anymore.

madfranks
5th October 2010, 05:11 PM
Yeah, it's considered discrimination, a federal offense, if you don't absolutely cater 100% of your establishment to the disabled. There is no such notion as "reasonably accomodate", it's either 100% correct or you can be sued for discrimination. I'm in the architecture industry and you wouldn't believe the amount of money and time spent to insure the ADA codes are met.

Shami-Amourae
9th October 2010, 01:17 AM
Don't forget we live in a world where a president can receive the Nobel Peace Prize while advocating war.

drafter
9th October 2010, 10:09 AM
When I was in engineering, the company I worked for had a contract with the city to replace "non-compliant" wheelchair ramps. When we say "non-compliant" we're literally talking about a ramp that might have a slope 1/4" out of spec. Also a lot of these "ramps" were ramps to "no where", sitting by themselves in a part of town that never developed sidewalks.

Well anyways, the survey and engineering fees approached $15,000 per ramp. Throw in the contractors cost to demo and rebuild and you where looking at $20,000 to $30,000 per ramp!!! This is in a city that had hundreds of "non-compliant" ramps. Another thing is that they couldn't even find local contractors to take on the project because even with modern laser leveling equipment it was still difficult to build a ramp to the tolerances that the ADA watchdog group was demanding.

Nothing more than a Sharpton style shakedown on the part of ADA groups. I'm all for trying to help these people out, but there has to be some common sense used once in a while.

Low Pan
25th October 2010, 02:40 PM
Yeah, it's considered discrimination, a federal offense, if you don't absolutely cater 100% of your establishment to the disabled. There is no such notion as "reasonably accomodate", it's either 100% correct or you can be sued for discrimination. I'm in the architecture industry and you wouldn't believe the amount of money and time spent to insure the ADA codes are met.


You would think that Chipotle could have easily installed overhead mirrors titled w/ a view on the food line to appease the ADA. Would be a heck of a lot cheaper.

1970 silver art
2nd November 2010, 03:49 AM
These lawsuits will end up hurting consumers by either 1.) Putting that company out of business or 2.) The company survives but will pass on the legal costs and civil judgement costs to the consumer in the form of higher prices for goods and services. Either way, the consumer will pay. As with any lawsuit, the lawyers ALWAYS win regardless of the outcome of that lawsuit. A "lose-lose" situation for everybody in my opinion.

hoarder
2nd November 2010, 06:48 AM
1.) Putting that company out of business or The end result reveals the original intention. As you may have noticed 98% of restaurants in America are NOT independent. The independents have been squeezed out by mandates and court decisions that have helped the big chains and franchises. All the big chains and franchises are probably controlled by Rothschilds through proxies so in fact it's probably one big monopoly to control food distribution.

willie pete
2nd November 2010, 11:55 AM
Reminds me of a story I saw not long ago, theres a guy out in Los Angeles that cruises around in his handicapped van trolling for violations against the "Americans with Disabilities Act", from parking stall violations to restaurant/gas station violations...to any public access issue, he sues, has a lawyer on virtual retainer, most settle out of court, although he wouldn't say and it wasn't mentioned, it was hinted at he got approx $3-$5 or $6 grand per suit, the lawyer said he handled almost 50 suits for him last year..... :D ..so the guys playing the system for sure :D

madfranks
2nd November 2010, 12:39 PM
Reminds me of a story I saw not long ago, theres a guy out in Los Angeles that cruises around in his handicapped van trolling for violations against the "Americans with Disabilities Act", from parking stall violations to restaurant/gas station violations...to any public access issue, he sues, has a lawyer on virtual retainer, most settle out of court, although he wouldn't say and it wasn't mentioned, it was hinted at he got approx $3-$5 or $6 grand per suit, the lawyer said he handled almost 50 suits for him last year..... :D ..so the guys playing the system for sure :D


The same around here. When I first started working on construction sites, my boss told me stories about how when new buildings get completed, there is a rush from the handicapped community to be the first to find and sue for ADA mistakes.

I was working with a developer on the final phase of a 6 building hotel/condo development, and she told me that on the first night of reservations for hotel #4, out of the 26 rooms available, 12 were handicapped people. Then they got sued because a thermostat was too high on the wall. True story!

Like I said above, there is no such thing as "reasonably accomodate", it's either perfect or you can get sued.

willie pete
2nd November 2010, 01:12 PM
^^^I believe it, this guy I spoke about above sued some gas station because the mirror in the bathroom was at the wrong height...don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to be handicapped, but I think if I were, I wouldn't go around trolling for violations with the intent on suing

SQUEXX
10th November 2010, 12:17 PM
And you expect what in a government and country infested with joo lawyers, joo law makers and joo Wall St. types?!?

Book
12th November 2010, 09:13 AM
There is no such notion as "reasonably accomodate", it's either 100% correct or you can be sued for discrimination.



A local bar got sued by some guy in a wheelchair because he couldn't roll up to the dance floor. The staff offered to LIFT him and his wheelchair up the one step but noooooooooooooooooooooooo. He demanded a ramp.

:o

gunny highway
5th December 2010, 04:48 PM
the Americans with Disabilities Act is simply a set of suggestions. but because of the lawsuits like these it is virtual law because everyone is scared of being sued. Congress doesn't even have to enact a law nowadays, all they have to do is approve a set of suggestions that their lawyer buddies litigate into law. i'm a landscape architect that has to deal with this bs everyday. it goes so far as to tell me how many steps i can have before throwing in a railing; 2 steps okay, 3 steps you need a railing because people in a wheelchair can handle 2 steps but 3 is a real bitch.

madfranks
6th December 2010, 07:19 AM
the Americans with Disabilities Act is simply a set of suggestions. but because of the lawsuits like these it is virtual law because everyone is scared of being sued. Congress doesn't even have to enact a law nowadays, all they have to do is approve a set of suggestions that their lawyer buddies litigate into law. i'm a landscape architect that has to deal with this bs everyday. it goes so far as to tell me how many steps i can have before throwing in a railing; 2 steps okay, 3 steps you need a railing because people in a wheelchair can handle 2 steps but 3 is a real bitch.


I'm not so sure the ADA is merely a compilation of "suggestions". Straight from the ada.gov site:

http://www.ada.gov/enforce.htm

Enforcement

The Department of Justice may file lawsuits in federal court to enforce the ADA, and courts may order compensatory damages and back pay to remedy discrimination if the Department prevails. Under title III, the Department of Justice may also obtain civil penalties of up to $55,000 for the first violation and $110,000 for any subsequent violation.

Book
6th December 2010, 07:37 AM
I'm in the architecture industry and you wouldn't believe the amount of money and time spent to insure the ADA codes are met.


A guy in a wheelchair filed a complaint because the DANCE FLOOR in my friend's downtown pub didn't have ramp access. One step up to reach the dance floor. Offers to lift him and his wheelchair up this one step were considered "harassment" and "humiliation".

:o

gunny highway
6th December 2010, 07:37 AM
I'm not so sure the ADA is merely a compilation of "suggestions". Straight from the ada.gov site:

http://www.ada.gov/enforce.htm

Enforcement

The Department of Justice may file lawsuits in federal court to enforce the ADA, and courts may order compensatory damages and back pay to remedy discrimination if the Department prevails. Under title III, the Department of Justice may also obtain civil penalties of up to $55,000 for the first violation and $110,000 for any subsequent violation.


from the same site:

Through lawsuits and settlement agreements, the Department of Justice has achieved greater access for individuals with disabilities in hundreds of cases. Under general rules governing lawsuits brought by the Federal government, the Department of Justice may not sue a party unless negotiations to settle the dispute have failed.

they technically can't make anyone provide for handicap accessibility but they can and have scared most municipalities into voluntarily adopting the regs through the threat of costly lawsuits.

Book
6th December 2010, 07:54 AM
http://cdn.majicatl.com/files/2009/12/Unemployment-Line-453.jpg

Their "reasonable accommodation" in the workplace is long over. Vocational Rehabilitation schemes are now long over.

Light
6th December 2010, 11:26 AM
the Americans with Disabilities Act is simply a set of suggestions. but because of the lawsuits like these it is virtual law because everyone is scared of being sued. Congress doesn't even have to enact a law nowadays, all they have to do is approve a set of suggestions that their lawyer buddies litigate into law. i'm a landscape architect that has to deal with this bs everyday. it goes so far as to tell me how many steps i can have before throwing in a railing; 2 steps okay, 3 steps you need a railing because people in a wheelchair can handle 2 steps but 3 is a real bitch.


People in wheelchairs can walk up steps?

sirgonzo420
6th December 2010, 07:43 PM
the Americans with Disabilities Act is simply a set of suggestions. but because of the lawsuits like these it is virtual law because everyone is scared of being sued. Congress doesn't even have to enact a law nowadays, all they have to do is approve a set of suggestions that their lawyer buddies litigate into law. i'm a landscape architect that has to deal with this bs everyday. it goes so far as to tell me how many steps i can have before throwing in a railing; 2 steps okay, 3 steps you need a railing because people in a wheelchair can handle 2 steps but 3 is a real bitch.


People in wheelchairs can walk up steps?


The fakers can.

Light
8th December 2010, 07:44 PM
the Americans with Disabilities Act is simply a set of suggestions. but because of the lawsuits like these it is virtual law because everyone is scared of being sued. Congress doesn't even have to enact a law nowadays, all they have to do is approve a set of suggestions that their lawyer buddies litigate into law. i'm a landscape architect that has to deal with this bs everyday. it goes so far as to tell me how many steps i can have before throwing in a railing; 2 steps okay, 3 steps you need a railing because people in a wheelchair can handle 2 steps but 3 is a real bitch.


People in wheelchairs can walk up steps?


The fakers can.


So you're saying most people in wheelchairs rolling up ramps are fakers? Is that why they are demanding ramps?

freespirit
9th December 2010, 09:35 AM
[quote]

Like many employers, Chipotle has long provided accommodations for those with disabilities.

In Chipotle’s case, that included an official disability policy of bringing ingredients to the tables of diners with disabilities and doing tableside preparation.

But Antoninetti, a San Diego State University employee who has a history of filing ADA-related lawsuits, sued because he “could not watch the food-service employee combine those ingredients to form his order,” unlike a standing person who was tall enough to see the ingredient trays.




sounds to me like they already had reasonably accommodated him by having the table-side prep policy in place.

if he didn't want to take advantage of that policy, that's his choice, and should therefore negate the possibilty of a lawsuit. if he chose to watch his food prep at the counter, knowing full well he couldn't see it, and didn't take the option of having it prepared tableside, which is actually a better dining experience, then pardon the pun, but he doesn't have a leg to stand on, AFAIC...