Anyone Else Interested In Quantum Physics?

[LuckyStrike]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc

[General of Darkness]

I was a math major in college and switched to business because I got more tail. I'm very much interested in physics, and engineering, and regret not going into one of those fields.

[Dogman]

Quantum physics is a mind bender. the double slit experiment is one of the easer to understand.

Proves that light is both a wave and a particle. But also proves that you can not measure anything because measuring something changes it.

Here is one.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrxqTtiWxs4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrxqTtiWxs4)



And somewhat related.

"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_a_tree_falls_in_a_forest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_a_tree_falls_in_a_forest)

[madfranks]

Hell yes - I love quantum physics! What's being shown in that movie is called the "wave function collapse". It means that prior to observation, the particles exist in various pre-particle states, and the act of observing them brings them fully into existence in one regard or another. I imagine the wave function collapse is simply a method of viewing existence before it exists. Take the electron particle/wave. Before it's observed and it's qualities determined, it exists in both realities at once. They're like the stem cells of the quantum world; before they grow into a final form of existence, they have the potential to be all forms at once.

"I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics." - Richard Feynman

[ArgenteumTelum]

So....we get what we observe or focus on.
Therefore, we create our own reality. Is this not so?

[madfranks]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_function_collapse

In quantum mechanics, wave function collapse (also called collapse of the state vector or reduction of the wave packet) is the process by which a wave function —initially in a superposition of different eigenstates —appears to reduce to a single one of the states after interaction with an observer. In simplified terms, it is the condensation of physical possibilities into a single occurrence, as seen by an observer. It is one of two processes by which quantum systems evolve in time according to the laws of quantum mechanics as presented by John von Neumann.[1] The reality of wave function collapse has always been debated, i.e., whether it is a fundamental physical phenomenon in its own right or just an epiphenomenon of another process, such as quantum decoherence.[2] In recent decades the quantum decoherence view has gained popularity.[citation needed] Collapse may be understood as a change in conditional probabilities.

[sirgonzo420]

I hear you can get an enhanced appreciation for quantum physics by consuming high doses of psychedelic drugs.

Not that I advise doing such a thing!

;D

[LuckyStrike]

"I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics." - Richard Feynman


Which is why I find it so fascinating, I can try and noodle it out all day and can't wrap my mind around it. I have no formal training in the field, but have listened to many lectures and talks about the subject. I find quantum computing to be particularly mind boggling.

[Dogman]

I hear you can get an enhanced appreciation for quantum physics by consuming high doses of psychedelic drugs.

Not that I advise doing such a thing!

;D


Back in the day! Orange mini-barrel or a certain species of cactus found in the sonoran desert would do the trick.

[keehah]

Distracting disinfo the way aether waveforms are compartmentalized in structureless theory.

Take the vibrating, rotating web of life and make pinheads of it.

Classic divide and conquer to prevent mass enlightenment.

8)

[Cebu_4_2]

Haha



"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"


If I'm really drunk at the bar and fall down, but no one sees me, did I really fall down?

[gunDriller]

i like electromagnetics, the study of how EM waves travel through the atmosphere & bounce off things.

http://www.molphys.leidenuniv.nl/monos/smo/basics/images/wave_anim.gif

the energy goes back & forth between being a magnetic field and an electric field as the energy goes through the atmosphere. it looks like a wave, sort of.


there is also the Wolf Pack form of Quantum Silver Physics ;D

http://www.apmex.com/Resources/Catalog%20Images/Products/59296_Slab.jpg

[Book]

Why can't somebody invent something useful like a cheap pair of sunglasses to help goyim become free?

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[LuckyStrike]

Why can't somebody invent something useful like a cheap pair of sunglasses to help goyim become free?

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This is as close as I could find.

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[sirgonzo420]

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Why can't somebody invent something useful like a cheap pair of sunglasses to help goyim become free?

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LOL.... Book's pic calls him a shithead for hotlinking!

[Ponce]

Before you can think of a solution you have to "feel" the problem.......not everything in life is about having an education but one of observation and being able to find a solution to a problem and in turn come out with a new field of studies.

What is an education if not one of learning what SOMEONE ELSE came up with?.....your real education is when you contribute something that some one else can stuy and learn from it.

[Gaillo]

So... if a banker is alone in the woods, and is struck down by lightening then eaten by a bear,
DOES ANYONE CARE??? ;D

[Joe King]

So... if a banker is alone in the woods, and is struck down by lightening then eaten by a bear,
DOES ANYONE CARE??? ;D
No

However, the question should be, would it make a noise?

I'm pretty sure it would.

[madfranks]

"I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics." - Richard Feynman


Which is why I find it so fascinating, I can try and noodle it out all day and can't wrap my mind around it. I have no formal training in the field, but have listened to many lectures and talks about the subject. I find quantum computing to be particularly mind boggling.


I have a buddy currently in college studying physics with the goal of eventually working for IBM's quantum computing division (http://www.research.ibm.com/physicsofinfo/).

[uranian]

So....we get what we observe or focus on.
Therefore, we create our own reality. Is this not so?


einstein's equation tells us that matter = energy, and quantum physics tells us nothing manifests into matter until we pay attention to it. so yeah, i think it interesting that modern physics tells us pretty much the same that mysticism has been telling us for millenia.

max planck on the subject:


As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear-headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about the atoms this much: There is no matter as such! All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particles of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter.

recent experiments (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100318175003.htm) have proved the quantum physics stuff affects macro-reality too, the level at which we can observe. there's equally evidence (http://noosphere.princeton.edu/onepage.html) that mass consciousness affects reality. the few people that are putting all this stuff together are doing some fascinating work too, e.g. bruce lipton in the field of biology:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6568107389365915765

[Horn]

Classic divide and conquer to prevent mass enlightenment.

8)

Puree & conquer is more like it.

[Spectrism]

Hell yes - I love quantum physics! What's being shown in that movie is called the "wave function collapse". It means that prior to observation, the particles exist in various pre-particle states, and the act of observing them brings them fully into existence in one regard or another. I imagine the wave function collapse is simply a method of viewing existence before it exists. Take the electron particle/wave. Before it's observed and it's qualities determined, it exists in both realities at once. They're like the stem cells of the quantum world; before they grow into a final form of existence, they have the potential to be all forms at once.

"I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics." - Richard Feynman


Very interesting. I guess I never heard that before but it strikes a resonant chord. It is like things of the spirit realm gelling into the physical realm. This is the nature of a world wherein there exists a free agency of choice. If all reality pre-existed, there would be no room for procreation or independent thinking. The ability to conceive a thought and bring that concept into reality is echoed by these experiments.

[Spectrism]

So... if a banker is alone in the woods, and is struck down by lightening then eaten by a bear,
DOES ANYONE CARE??? ;D


Yeah... there should be a law against poisoning bears. Did you have to be so cruel? Why couldn't you say "eaten by worms"?

[jaybone]

I was in an astrophysics program for 3 years before advanced calculus fried my brain,
or perhaps it was something else that fried my brain making advanced calc impossible, but alas...

The double slit experiment brought me from being a rabid atheist, totally locked into 3-D reality, to being very open-minded and allowing for the possibility that my five senses could not detect the greater reality around us.

In quantum mechanics, the elegance of nature is preserved in the face of the utter weirdness of the impossibly small.

You don't have to be science minded at all to get this. The important thing to get is that human knowledge is limited by perception; what we do not know is as important to acknowledge as what we do know. Once you understand this limitation, there are no facts, only perceptions, nothing is impossible, all is reality.

I remember seeing a program, on the science channel or something, that talked about the tiny fraction of the UV spectrum that the human eye can see. It is absolutely miniscule! Like 99.999% of wavelengths we simply cannot see without instruments. Combine that with the idea that everything is entirely composed of (light)energy, one has to wonder what is sharing our space time that we cannot observe.

[jaybone]

So... if a banker is alone in the woods, and is struck down by lightening then eaten by a bear,
DOES ANYONE CARE??? ;D
No

However, the question should be, would it make a noise?

I'm pretty sure it would.


You would have to define 'noise'
Is noise a compression wave moving through air?
Or is noise the timpanic membrane of the human ear vibrating?
Or is noise the electrical impulse being interpreted by a brain?

Physics is full of mind-opening thought experiments.

The keys you are typing on are almost completely empty space.

What does the universe 'look' like to a being with no senses? And is that perception any less valid than our own?
I have heard the universe called a 'quantum soup' until it is observed it lacks definition.

Look at the wall, do you see it? No, you see light reflecting off the wall.

[tekrunner]

Why can't somebody invent something useful like a cheap pair of sunglasses to help goyim become free?

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Any of you see the movie Revolver? A couple guys got heavy into quantum mechanics and one day *poof* they escaped from prison like they were never there in the first place. Now that'd be a great use of quantum mechanics.

[Twisted Titan]

Hell yes - I love quantum physics! What's being shown in that movie is called the "wave function collapse". It means that prior to observation, the particles exist in various pre-particle states, and the act of observing them brings them fully into existence in one regard or another. I imagine the wave function collapse is simply a method of viewing existence before it exists. Take the electron particle/wave. Before it's observed and it's qualities determined, it exists in both realities at once. They're like the stem cells of the quantum world; before they grow into a final form of existence, they have the potential to be all forms at once.

"I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics." - Richard Feynman


Very interesting. I guess I never heard that before but it strikes a resonant chord. It is like things of the spirit realm gelling into the physical realm. This is the nature of a world wherein there exists a free agency of choice. If all reality pre-existed, there would be no room for procreation or independent thinking. The ability to conceive a thought and bring that concept into reality is echoed by these experiments.


Best documentary blending the two..........



http://www.whatthebleep.com/

[Ponce]

FROM Jaybone =
You don't have to be science minded at all to get this. The important thing to get is that human knowledge is limited by perception; what we do not know is as important to acknowledge as what we do know. Once you understand this limitation, there are no facts, only perceptions, nothing is impossible, all is reality.

Jaybone? thank for saying the same thing that I did, but using more "fancy" English hahahahahahahah ;D

[uranian]

Best documentary blending the two..........



http://www.whatthebleep.com/


seconded. good watch.

[Celtic Rogue]

Quantum Physics is the closest thing to religion that I can believe in!

[MAGNES]

Quantum Physics is the closest thing to religion that I can believe in!


A lot of the philosophical/religious comments on here are not new but famous,
and your comment as well even, where do you think that led too ? Just reading
this whole thread and these comments above kills me, lol .

We got Hesiod talking, Hales, Socrates, the atomists and the "big bang" .
Creation, perception, knowledge. "I know nothing." Where's Nacca.

@ Jaybone kills me.

:ROFL:

I went to chemistry class, there was integration, that's when I said "f you all." ;D
5 calculus courses in a row.

Engineering drop out here. The only thing you learn is how to pass the tests/exams.
Graduated with a business/economics degree.

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJVewWbeBiY

[Bullion_Bob]

So....we get what we observe or focus on.
Therefore, we create our own reality. Is this not so?


einstein's equation tells us that matter = energy, and quantum physics tells us nothing manifests into matter until we pay attention to it. so yeah, i think it interesting that modern physics tells us pretty much the same that mysticism has been telling us for millenia.

max planck on the subject:


As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear-headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about the atoms this much: There is no matter as such! All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particles of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter.

recent experiments (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100318175003.htm) have proved the quantum physics stuff affects macro-reality too, the level at which we can observe. there's equally evidence (http://noosphere.princeton.edu/onepage.html) that mass consciousness affects reality. the few people that are putting all this stuff together are doing some fascinating work too, e.g. bruce lipton in the field of biology:



This is what I've come to understand in my own words.

Smaller forces/particles of matter are manipulated by larger particles/forces/matter. "We" being the larger particles are attracting the smaller and consuming/transforming it/them into something we can make sense of.

The matter itself already exists in elemental form scattered randomly about until it encounters forces of larger magnitude and is taken in by it ("consumed") much like a black hole attracts smaller objects, or a planet draws in an asteroid.

The only way to truly observe quantum is to become smaller than quantum like a fly on the wall inside the house itself, however the trick is getting out of the house and escaping back up to the next level in magnitude unaffected to report what you saw there.

I think one thing a lot of people miss is the fact that everything is already here, and always was here, and always will be here, it's just moving around into different patterns until it's disassembled and reassembled elsewhere.

Black holes are like the lungs of the universe. They take in entire galaxies and blast out particles smaller than light...xrays, gamma rays, etc, and smaller down to infinity to all recombine and start again. Matter cleansed anew.

I think something a lot of people miss the fact that there is no such thing as creating something from nothing. It's a total impossibility. It sounds stupid to say even.

Something that is nothing can never become anything. "Nothing" can ever become "something", otherwise it was never truly "nothing" to begin with. This reality tosses the religion/creationists/big bang theories right out the window in one fell swoop, and it's very simple/fundamental logic.

What do I think everything is?

If you zoom out far enough, all of these galaxies and super clusters of galaxies upon super clusters of galaxies looks like a gigantic seething field of plasma
(like witnessing a plasma ball) but everywhere. Interestingly plasma streams coil up like a double helix, like the DNA in our bodies. Instructions. The road map.

Further out than that, and it goes on forever forming cell walls, structures of absolutely everything your can thing of. i.e infinity. Even a mirror image of yourself again 10 billion zillion zillion times larger. Eventually it will take place somewhere, and infinite times over. To say it won't is to not understand the concept of infinite.

Infinity. Infinite big, infinite small. Everything you can think of, or imagine, and forever.

That's what all of this is.

[keehah]

Black holes are not 'the other'.

They just suck and spit bigger. Or what ever one calls that vortex thingy we all do.

Integrating pinheads above and below....
http://www.aip.org/tip/INPHFA/vol-9/iss-5/p20.html

http://www.aip.org/tip/INPHFA/vol-9/iss-5/images/20-1.jpg
http://www.aip.org/tip/INPHFA/vol-9/iss-5/images/20-4.jpg

When the researchers adjusted the poloidal field to just balance the toroidal field created by the plasma currents, the plasma current kinked like an overtwisted spring. “Since the currents in adjacent loops of the kink attract each other, like all parallel currents do, the kink keeps growing tighter and tighter until the loops reconnect with their neighbors to form a separate toroidal vortex or spheromak,” Hsu explains. The kinking mechanism is quite different from the symmetrical sausage instability that other researchers had speculated might lead to the toroidal vortices.

The kinking proved quite sensitive to the ratio of the axial magnetic field to the toroidal field. When the axial field was too weak, no kinks appeared, and when it was too strong, a detached plasma formed swiftly but not in the force-free toroidal-vortex configuration. Such a sensitivity, predicted by theoretical considerations, can aid researchers in establishing the conditions for reliable vortex production.

“We are not only studying these structures for their application in fusion work,” says Hsu. “It is clear that these structures occur naturally in astrophysical phenomena such as the solar corona and in the production of astrophysical jets.


If a photon is bent round so that its front face is connected to its back face, a toroid will be formed with a minor radius equal to the photon’s amplitude, and the circumference generated by the major radius will be equal to the photon’s wavelength,λ. Theory shows that this configuration for the photon embues it with mass and half-integral spin, which is
to say the photon becomes a lepton. We will show that this leptonic photon is a neutrino. ..

We conclude that the circular motion of the photon about its major radius is the photon spin...

The azimuthal rotation tends to spread the photon out in the x,y plane, but the vortex flow parallel to the z axis at the origin prevents it. The vortex flow tends to collapse the photon toward the z axis, but the azimuthal rotation prevents it. We see that both spins work together to maintain the photon structure...

A volume for the photon has been recently determined to be that of a spindle...

We have taken a cylindrical photon of length λ and radius equal to its mean amplitude and formed a closed-loop toroid. The toroid was found to have the half-integral spin of a lepton. There is another motion, a vortex flow. Thus the toroidal photon has two spins. The combination produces a requirement of mass. Thus the photon torus comes out to be a neutrino.

Impression of toroidal space that contains the "propagating electron" in a photon "flat-space" but seen from the outside.
http://members.optushome.com.au/walshjj/toroid2.jpg