Gov't Agents Seize Oath Keeper's New Born From Hospital (UPDATE)

[Ares]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvZRM-P46rI

[midnight rambler]

This sucks, but I can't help but wonder if there is more to this story. He or his fiance somehow drew the heat and I don't think it was simply being a member of OK.

[General of Darkness]

It seems I started another thread about this.

This is very bad. I don't know if it's valid, just passing it on, but on a personal note, I've got some crazy sh*t going on with a buddy that's a WN that's having something similar happen.

Government Agents Seize Oath Keeper's New Born From Hospital
New Hampshire, Wed. Oct. 6th, 2010
Last Night John Irish & Stephanie Janvrin had their new born baby girl taken away by government officials because of their involvement with Oath Keepers, a non violent constitutional organization. According to Irish, The Director of Security and the Head Nurse of the Hospital said "we want the pediatrician to check the baby in the nursery so that you can go home." The baby was wheeled out in the bassinet under the protest of Irish. Irish followed them out and took note of 3-4 men wearing suits with detective badges as well as 3 police officers.

The Division of Family Child Services proceeded to pat down John and inform the parents they would be taking the daughter. "They Stole our Child" says John Irish. An Affidavit was produced that claimed an affiliation with a militia called Oath Keepers. Irish claims Oath Keepers is a non violent organization. John and Stephanie were able to spend a few minutes with their daughter and were forced to leave. A security officer escorted the two out of the hospital.

George Hemminger
george4title(AT)yahoo.com

More Info:

Facebook info

URGENT! ~ OATHKEEPERS ALERT!
Request For Help! Please Read Attached Picture
Then, If you can help. Please contact Watchman Noyes
http://www.facebook.com/kan75
or his group page
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid...
Citizens Against Government Tyranny

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?i...
Stephanie Janvrin (the mother)

New Hampshire John Irish (father)
http://americanlibertyriders.ning.com...

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

Comment From John
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This is Johnathon Irish, Brothers and Sisters, thank you for all of your support. janvrin6228@gmail.com is my personal email address if needed. Thank you all again for your support, if so needed I will send you our cell number just email me. I don't know what else to say right now, these bastards stole my daughter and she wasn't even 24 hours old. She was born at 2337 last night. I only have a few pictures of my baby girl, I can't even cry I am so pissed.

[midnight rambler]

This is very bad. I don't know if it's valid, just passing it on, but on a personal note, I've got some crazy sh*t going on with a buddy that's a WN that's having something similar happen.

Perhaps there's an effort to push some people into some sort of reaction so there can then be an excuse for still more nonsense.

[General of Darkness]

Being that I'm very conspiracy orientated, could we be seeing the .gov going after people they think could be opposition, via their kids?

Personally I wouldn't put it past them.

[General of Darkness]

Here's a statement from Oathkeepers. And so we wait.

Stewart has just now as of 7:45PM PST, spoken to the father and he is faxing documents to Stewart. We are establishing a legal defense fund. Once it is confirmed through documentation that the father’s association with Oath Keepers was listed as a reason, even if among several reasons listed, for taking the child, we will actively pursue aggressive legal remedy and redress. We will assist in locating competent local legal counsel in New Hampshire and additional expert legal counsel from around the country in First Amendment and child custody law. Stewart, who has worked on several First Amendment cases in State and Federal court will also volunteer his services to assist in the case Pro Bono.

We are doing all we can to confirm and document this. But if is IS accurate, and a newborn child was ripped from her mother’s arms because the parents were “associated” with Oath Keepers by simply being members of our online ning discussion forum, then this is a grave crossing of a very serious line, and is utterly intolerable. It cannot be done. It cannot be allowed to stand.

If it is true, then I will do all in my power to stop it. We will pull out all the stops, every lawful means of seeing that this child is returned to her parents and that all persons responsible are held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. There can be no freedom of speech, no freedom of association, no freedom to even open your mouth and “speak truth to power,” no freedom AT ALL, if your children can be black bagged and stolen from you because of your political speech and associations -- because you simply dare to express your love of country, and dare to express your solidarity and fellowship with other citizens and with active duty and retired military and police who simply pledge to honor their oath and obey the Constitution. It was to prevent just such outrageous content based persecution of political dissidents that our First Amendment was written.

If true, then this is as bad, and in fact worse, than any of the violations of liberty that our Declaration of Independence lists as the reasons for our forefathers taking up arms in our Revolution and for separating from England. We no longer have freedom at all if this is allowed to be done. And we will not let it stand.

Stewart Rhodes
Founder of Oath Keepers

Stewart will post additional statements and info as this situation develops. Please be ready to flood the responsible parties with phone calls and emails to put public pressure on them in the court of public opinion.

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2010/10/07/oath-keepers-statement-about-video-titled-government-agents-seize-oath-keepers-new-born-from-hospital/

[chad]

what were the several other "reasons listed?"

very disturbing.

i would probably be in jail for 50 years if that happened to me.

[Uncle Salty]

They probably refused some vaccination or other medical procedure required by the hospital so the hospital called child services. Being a member of Oath Keepers had nothing to do with it.

Don't have your babies in government run institutions!!!!!!!

[BrewTech]

We will pull out all the stops, every lawful means of seeing that this child is returned to her parents and that all persons responsible are held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.

Pulling out all the stops... by going through the legal system?

OK is BS. Controlled opposition in the most obvious way.

In fact, I'm calling BS on this entire story as ContOp propaganda.

[madfranks]

John and Stephanie were able to spend a few minutes with their daughter and were forced to leave.

They would have to KILL ME before I'd just let them have my newborn daughter.

[BrewTech]

John and Stephanie were able to spend a few minutes with their daughter and were forced to leave.

They would have to KILL ME before I'd just let them have my newborn daughter.


Anybody would, especially some self-proclaimed "freedom-fighter". Which is exactly why I think know this is bullsh!t.

[ximmy]

Home birth... oh wait, something bad might happen...

[Silver Shield]

I smell BS.

There is no way this is the full story.

I guarantee there is drugs, or abuse going on and that he is using this Oath Keepers thing to cover up something.

Think about it, he is not even married to this girl.
Why would they take it away from the mother?
What did she do to prove she is not a fit mother?

Think about how hard it is to kids away from bad parents with a track record of abuse?
Does this guy have other kids that were taken away?

Don't fall for stories that fit your agenda...
DYODD.

[horseshoe3]

I'm not buying it. No father would allow his daughter to be taken without a fight. The story smells. It's too matter of fact. If ever there was a time for emotion to be boiling over in a story, this is it. The lack of feeling makes me very skeptical.

[Dogman]

I'm not buying it. No father would allow his daughter to be taken without a fight. The story smells. It's too matter of fact. If ever there was a time for emotion to be boiling over in a story, this is it. The lack of feeling makes me very skeptical.


I may agree with you.

Have been checking the web for New Hampshire news the msm sites and nothing. This is all over the web but not a word so far from t.v, or newspapers. May still be too soon? But sort of strange that if this did happen msn would be so quiet about something like this. If it happened here the media would be screaming!

Edit: After looking all day and not a word from any creditable source other than the fringe groups.
I am calling this story complete bull hockey. If true the msm would have picked up on it by
Now.

[willie pete]

Maybe it did, maybe it didn't happen......One important thing here: Look who the messenger is.... :D :D george has been behind so much BS, I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of his mouth.. :D george is another jerry springer..as for someone coming in the room like that with my new-born, I'd be dialing 911 reporting a baby abduction, and then I'd go gonzo on their ass.... :D

[palani]

They would have to KILL ME before I'd just let them have my newborn daughter.
Usually it is the mother that signs as INFORMANT on the birth certificate. By doing so she is doing just exactly what you are so upset about. The BC is the TITLE to the child and it is the STATE that holds the original (holder in due course).

I would be curious since this is a new born whether such a TITLE document had time to be created. If it doesn't exist then the state could be in real trouble. Should the hospital come up and ask for a BC document to be signed maybe the best thing to do would be to ignore them.

[chad]

you've never had a kid have you? what a fairy tale story teller you are::)

[palani]

you've never had a kid have you?
I have been a kid. Does that count?


what a fairy tale story teller you are ::)
Do you actually believe that the government does ANYTHING for YOUR benefit? If you truly believe this then why is there any complaint about government agents seizing newborns? If they OWN the child then they can SEIZE the child. Were documents submitted to permit them to claim they OWNED the child?

[Cebu_4_2]

if the mother doesn't sign the BC how does she get on a plane to get outta Dodge? What papers does she have to prove the kid is hers?

[palani]

if the mother doesn't sign the BC how does she get on a plane to get outta Dodge? What papers does she have to prove the kid is hers?

Listen to me very carefully. There has NEVER been a woman on the face of the earth that ever had title or possession of a child. The husband represents the law of the land and the woman represents equity/maritime/admiralty jurisdiction (colorable).

If you put a dollar in a candy machine for a bar of chocolate does the candy belong to you or the machine?

[chad]

i have 2 kids. neither myself or my wife ever signed any birth certificate paperwork. you get an uncertified copy of the birth certificate when you leave the hospital for your scrapbook or whatever. the hospital records the birth and sends the original to a county courthouse. there aren't any wild, secret, dark room signatures going on. i have my daughter's right in front of me. the only signature on it is that of the doctor asserting she was alive when she came out. that's what's it's for, otherwise the doctor would have to make up a DEATH CERTIFICATE.

i sometimes get really tired of all of this nonsense, especially when it is so easily disprovable.

oh noes! my kids don't have signed birth certificates! this must mean the rothschilds owns them!

for fucks sake already.

[General of Darkness]

Here's a copy of the Affidavit. I think Irish is going to be on Alex Jones in about 15 minutes.

http://static.infowars.com/2010/10/i/article-images/irishdoc.jpg

[palani]

otherwise the doctor would have to make up a DEATH CERTIFICATE. There is no need for a DEATH CERTIFICATE if there has been no diagnosis of LIFE.


i sometimes get really tired of all of this nonsense, especially when it is so easily disprovable.

oh noes! my kids don't have signed birth certificates! this must mean the rothschilds owns them!

for f*cks sake already.
I have carefully reviewed your post and find you have DISPROVED nothing.

I would be willing to be you have a MARRIAGE LICENSE. Pretty sick. Inviting the state to share the fruits of the marriage. That would be KIDS wouldn't it?

[chad]

so now that i've completely debunked your assertion that women have to sign birth certificates, you're moving on to other certificates, eh?


i'm glad you're back i am me, but i can't play your game, in my life experience, it's demonstrably false.

[nunaem]

We will pull out all the stops, every lawful means of seeing that this child is returned to her parents and that all persons responsible are held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.

Pulling out all the stops... by going through the legal system?




That's exactly what I was thinking while reading that. If that is Oath Keeper's definition of 'pulling out all the stops' then I'd hate to have them as allies.

[palani]

so now that i've completely debunked your assertion that women have to sign birth certificates
INFORMANTS sign birth certificates. The French knew what to do with INFORMANTS during WWI (phase II). Why don't you?


in my life experience, it's demonstrably false
Are you saying the government does things without a REASON to do those things? In my life experience the only reason to take any sort of action is because you BENEFIT from it.

Face it, Chad. You are a slave because you choose to be one. No amount of PM is going to alter that circumstance. I only need $5 of specie to be free. You could have Ft Knox and still not have enough.

[chad]

before we move on to me being a slave, can we get back to where i can prove women don't have to sign as INFORMANTS on birth certificates?

[palani]

can we get back to where i can prove women don't have to sign as INFORMANTS on birth certificates?

Do you happen to have a copy of YOUR birth certificate handy?

[chad]

no, i don't have a copy of my birth certificate.

[palani]

no, i don't have a copy of my birth certificate.
Convenient. Neither does Steve Dunham.

[chad]

i can come back and debate/argue with you later, but i have to leave in 5 minutes to meet the gravel guy. anyway, here's why i get so bent out of shape everytime we have this argument.

i agree with a lot of what you say. then i see you posting about signatures of parents on birth certificates. then i think ,"hey, we never did that." so, then i pull out the certificates to look, and sure enough, i was right. then i challenge you on it, and immediately it's because i am too obtuse to see the light, or i'm a slave, or whatever.

when you assert things, and then i can look for myself in my own life circumstances and see that's not the case, it makes me doubt the rest of what you are saying.

i'm not saying you're totally wrong, but i can see for myself about the birth certificate issue.

anyway, i have to go get some gravel, i can come back later and discuss this if you'd like...

[sirgonzo420]

so now that i've completely debunked your assertion that women have to sign birth certificates, you're moving on to other certificates, eh?


i'm glad you're back i am me, but i can't play your game, in my life experience, it's demonstrably false.



Palani isn't sukhoi_fan/I am me, I am free.

Just putting that out there, now carry on!

;D

[palani]

i agree with a lot of what you say. then i see you posting about signatures of parents on birth certificates. then i think ,"hey, we never did that." so, then i pull out the certificates to look, and sure enough, i was right. then i challenge you on it, and immediately it's because i am too obtuse to see the light, or i'm a slave, or whatever.

when you assert things, and then i can look for myself in my own life circumstances and see that's not the case, it makes me doubt the rest of what you are saying.

i'm not saying you're totally wrong, but i can see for myself about the birth certificate issue.



I am unfamiliar with modern birth certificates (other than they are printed on banknote paper). I have seen some older versions and in those the mother signed as informant. As women did not (and do not) have the capability to engage in contracts her signature adds no legal authority to the document anyway.

Anytime the state sees fit to issue a piece of paper of ANY time (DL, Marriage, BC, SSN, FAA, FCC, hunting) you can bet your bottom dollar that a right has been converted to a privilege. You can also bet that anytime you are asked to sign something that you have impaired your liberty in some manner by that signature.

There are many layers of government deceit to wade through. I have no made it through all of them yet and if I ever do so I expect that I will have just given their agents an excuse to issue a DC to cancel the BC.

[sirgonzo420]

i agree with a lot of what you say. then i see you posting about signatures of parents on birth certificates. then i think ,"hey, we never did that." so, then i pull out the certificates to look, and sure enough, i was right. then i challenge you on it, and immediately it's because i am too obtuse to see the light, or i'm a slave, or whatever.

when you assert things, and then i can look for myself in my own life circumstances and see that's not the case, it makes me doubt the rest of what you are saying.

i'm not saying you're totally wrong, but i can see for myself about the birth certificate issue.



I am unfamiliar with modern birth certificates. I have seen some older versions and in those the mother signed as informant. As women did not (and do not) have the capability to engage in contracts her signature adds no legal authority to the document anyway.

Anytime the state sees fit to issue a piece of paper of ANY time (DL, Marriage, BC, SSN, FAA, FCC, hunting) you can bet your bottom dollar that a right has been converted to a privilege. You can also bet that anytime you are asked to sign something that you have impaired your liberty in some manner by that signature.

There are many layers of government deceit to wade through. I have no made it through all of them yet and if I ever do so I expect that I will have just given their agents an excuse to issue a DC to cancel the BC.


So women can't engage in contracts, eh?

[palani]

So women can't engage in contracts, eh?

Not under law and while under coverture. Their rights are superior to those of men.

The false system we are now under inverts everything. When gov talks about giving women equal rights they instead mean equal liabilities.

Understand too that men cannot enter into contracts either. That ship has sailed along with all the PM's on it.

[Horn]

I'm not sure what you guys are arguing about, the facts contained in that affidavit don't seem to support baby stealing from under the noses of new parents?

[palani]

I'm not sure what you guys are arguing about, the facts contained in that affidavit don't seem to support baby stealing from under the noses of new parents?
Are you suggesting that a request for a change of venue is capable of testifying as to facts? How can the Epson Police Department testify to anything? No mouth. No eyes. No hands or feet.

[Ares]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7jBVjN83Ag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMIO-7IUNtQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSM6zPCZPy0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siH-3DSumHM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd6FSmFS1VE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq8zhXKXHR0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COHfJ74Y4zI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwzYKHSkL2A

[Grand Master Melon]

i have 2 kids. neither myself or my wife ever signed any birth certificate paperwork. you get an uncertified copy of the birth certificate when you leave the hospital for your scrapbook or whatever. the hospital records the birth and sends the original to a county courthouse. there aren't any wild, secret, dark room signatures going on. i have my daughter's right in front of me. the only signature on it is that of the doctor asserting she was alive when she came out. that's what's it's for, otherwise the doctor would have to make up a DEATH CERTIFICATE.

i sometimes get really tired of all of this nonsense, especially when it is so easily disprovable.

oh noes! my kids don't have signed birth certificates! this must mean the rothschilds owns them!

for f*cks sake already.
+1000

[Twisted Titan]

i agree with a lot of what you say. then i see you posting about signatures of parents on birth certificates. then i think ,"hey, we never did that." so, then i pull out the certificates to look, and sure enough, i was right. then i challenge you on it, and immediately it's because i am too obtuse to see the light, or i'm a slave, or whatever.

when you assert things, and then i can look for myself in my own life circumstances and see that's not the case, it makes me doubt the rest of what you are saying.

i'm not saying you're totally wrong, but i can see for myself about the birth certificate issue.



I am unfamiliar with modern birth certificates (other than they are printed on banknote paper). I have seen some older versions and in those the mother signed as informant. As women did not (and do not) have the capability to engage in contracts her signature adds no legal authority to the document anyway.

Anytime the state sees fit to issue a piece of paper of ANY time (DL, Marriage, BC, SSN, FAA, FCC, hunting) you can bet your bottom dollar that a right has been converted to a privilege. You can also bet that anytime you are asked to sign something that you have impaired your liberty in some manner by that signature.

There are many layers of government deceit to wade through. I have no made it through all of them yet and if I ever do so I expect that I will have just given their agents an excuse to issue a DC to cancel the BC.


So let me ask several questions


Do you pay any taxes at all?? particularly those of the Federal and Property Tax type or do you posses the coveted ALLODIAL TITLE?

When drive from point A to B do you have a DL? How do interact with LEO's??

When you travel international how do fly without a Passport??

How do you incorperate the use of Lethal Force and the ownership of Firearms ?

Are you self employed or employee??


T

[palani]

So let me ask several questions Since you asked so nicely you may proceed.


Do you pay any taxes at all?? particularly those of the Federal and Property Tax type or do you posses the coveted ALLODIAL TITLE? Aren't taxes paid on items that are NOT owned? Would I own anything if what I owned was NOT alloidal?


When drive from point A to B do you have a DL? Does a DL come with alloidal title? If I were to hold one would I not be in possession of the states property rather than my own?


How do interact with LEO's?? Is contract not law?


When you travel international how do fly without a Passport?? Is a passport not a document that provides safe conduct in time of war? Do I need to be a party to a war to travel internationally?


How do you incorperate the use of Lethal Force and the ownership of Firearms ? Why don't you come on over and we'll figure it out?


Are you self employed or employee??
Are self employed and employee not commercial phrases? Is there any law which requires anyone to participate in commerce?

Hope this helps.

[Silver Shield]

I smell BS.

There is no way this is the full story.

I guarantee there is drugs, or abuse going on and that he is using this Oath Keepers thing to cover up something.

Think about it, he is not even married to this girl.
Why would they take it away from the mother?
What did she do to prove she is not a fit mother?

Think about how hard it is to kids away from bad parents with a track record of abuse?
Does this guy have other kids that were taken away?

Don't fall for stories that fit your agenda...
DYODD.



I was right...



http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/219670/couple-state-took-our-baby

But according to an affidavit provided to Irish by the state Division for Children, Youth and Families, state officials took the child because of Irish's long record of violence and abuse. According to the affidavit, a judge determined that Irish abused Taylor's two other children. She is still married to the father of those children, though Taylor said yesterday that her husband has refused to accept her divorce petition for the past two years.

The affidavit also says that the police in Rochester report a "lengthy history of domestic violence" between Taylor and Irish, and that she accused him of choking and hitting her on more than one occasion. According to the document, Irish failed to complete a domestic violence course as ordered by the state, and that a hearing was held last month to terminate Taylor's parental rights over her two older children.

Taylor "has failed to recognize the impact of domestic violence in her life and the potential danger it poses to a newborn baby," the affidavit reads. "Mr. Irish has not acknowledged any responsibility to date and remains a significant safety risk to an infant in his care. . . . Without the intervention of the court, the infant will be at risk of harm."

[osoab]

I smell BS.

There is no way this is the full story.

I guarantee there is drugs, or abuse going on and that he is using this Oath Keepers thing to cover up something.

Think about it, he is not even married to this girl.
Why would they take it away from the mother?
What did she do to prove she is not a fit mother?

Think about how hard it is to kids away from bad parents with a track record of abuse?
Does this guy have other kids that were taken away?

Don't fall for stories that fit your agenda...
DYODD.



I was right...



http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/219670/couple-state-took-our-baby

But according to an affidavit provided to Irish by the state Division for Children, Youth and Families, state officials took the child because of Irish's long record of violence and abuse. According to the affidavit, a judge determined that Irish abused Taylor's two other children. She is still married to the father of those children, though Taylor said yesterday that her husband has refused to accept her divorce petition for the past two years.

The affidavit also says that the police in Rochester report a "lengthy history of domestic violence" between Taylor and Irish, and that she accused him of choking and hitting her on more than one occasion. According to the document, Irish failed to complete a domestic violence course as ordered by the state, and that a hearing was held last month to terminate Taylor's parental rights over her two older children.

Taylor "has failed to recognize the impact of domestic violence in her life and the potential danger it poses to a newborn baby," the affidavit reads. "Mr. Irish has not acknowledged any responsibility to date and remains a significant safety risk to an infant in his care. . . . Without the intervention of the court, the infant will be at risk of harm."


I don't remember Rhodes or Irish bringing this up on AJ's show today. ???

They did talk about how his being in Oath Keepers was part of the affidavit.

[Silver Shield]

Don't tell me AJ bit on this...

[osoab]

Don't tell me AJ bit on this...


All over it today. Trying to get donations for the guy. None of the affidavit you showed was presented on the show as far as I know. I don't normally sit at the computer all day. I think I did catch most of the 2 segments.

OT

The guy talking about DU was pretty cool.

[Horn]

Oathkeepers has no business appearing on the affidavit then?

[keehah]

He said in the interview he is not a 'member' of oathkeepers, nor even current or ex police or military.

He just posted at their forum.

Don't feel too sorry for the police and state minions stealing babies Silver Shield. It was there own stupid or evil fascist fault for stating member of an internet forum for government workers supporting the constitution as one of the reasons to take their baby made their job much harder than it needed to be if indeed the other reasons alone were enough to take one's baby.

[osoab]

here is the affidavit.

I pulled this off of infowars (http://www.infowars.com/confirmed-court-did-rely-on-oath-keeper-association-to-take-baby/). only number 7 is not blocked out.

Can't get the scribd to embed.

Here is the link http://www.scribd.com/word/embed/39099480

[keehah]

John Irish calls into the Alex Jones show with a live report of young baby Cheyenne found abused/assaulted while under the custody of new hampshire child social services.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkSoyHE1brE

[Horn]

Uggh, what an ordeal this is. :-\