Best Strategy to Defeat FOREVER the PTB

[FunnyMoney]

JMHO opinion, and I'm sure plenty will flame away at the presenter without regards to the idea, but regardless, here it is:

The only way to get at the criminals is to first get through their defenses regardless who the criminals are. The defenses they use are known, who they are is sometimes known but that knowledge does not help in bringing them to justice as their defenses are too strong and all the systems they control are corrupt including those that claim to pursue justice.

Their defenses are the entire system as it is currently, and this is where they derive untold amounts of revenue. Using criminal SYSTEMS they continue to build wealth, power and protection for themselves.

The only way to get at the criminals is to first get through their defenses.
This is why a focus on the "how" is so important.


Why focus on the "who"? A focus upon which criminal or which group of criminals is currently in charge never worked in the past.
That method is a complete waste of time and actually a distraction from what would work. What would work is to dismantle the CRIMINAL SYSTEMS (i.e. taxes, fiat money, MIC, and counter productive regulations and laws which provide money to more criminals).

Once the removal of the slavery systems based around taxes and dishonest centralized financial and political organizations is gone then people will have plenty of extra time and wealth to see to needed community agendas (like roads, schools and so on). They would also then be able to actually bring criminals to justice because they would have the extra resources and time to do so, and because those criminal systems which enable and protect criminals would be broken down and gone.


:whistle

[Ponce]

Money? all that they have to do is to yell ANTISEMITC and they have won....is in the mind of the American people.

[FunnyMoney]

Money? all that they have to do is to yell ANTISEMITC and they have won....is in the mind of the American people.


The SYSTEMS are not people. You can not be called a racist for attempting to change man made systems into God given ones. Changing the "how" has nothing to with the "who". Except for the fact that those "whos" who are criminals no longer have those criminal systems at their disposal to protect them.

Changing the medium of exchange from a man made, man controlled system of fiat into a God given system of silver and gold has nothing to do with people. Those God given systems were in place for thousands of years although they were constantly being corrupted in one form or another - and most people, once again, simply didn't understand or focus on "how" that was done. Often, yes, they were corrupted by people, but the systems in their true form are honest and have nothing to do with this person or that, so Where is religion or race involved?

[gunDriller]

i voted "impossible" because i didn't see the combination of measures that would help us get through the present economic mess.

basically, to use banks as they existed circuit 1800's in the US, without the usury & the Rothschild influence.

America was founded not just on a rejection of the English king. he was a figurehead.

America was founded based on a rejection of the English banks.

what that will mean is, people will keep their gold and silver at the bank of their preference. if that bank is a vault in their backyard.

if they choose to loan to a neighbor to finance (for example) a small hydro-electric power thing, obviously that could be a good thing.


but what i am suggesting is to leave the rancid toxic stew, the worthless credit derivatives, to leave it be.

this will mean that the pension funds that have invested in those crap financial products will take a haircut they will never forget - if they survive.

they will howl at the moon.

http://www.ideachampions.com/weblogs/howling_moon.jpg

untangling the mortgage mess is like un-tangling rotting spaghetti or rotting entrails. it may rot before it is un-tangled.

the bankers will complain about their boo-boo.

hopefully the American people will catch on and crucify every politician that supports the bankers.

[Book]

Question: Which is the best strategy to defeat TPTB & ensure nobody takes their place? (Voting closes: July 02, 2013, 11:39:15 PM)
TPTB can be defeated once everyone in the world is focused on their ethnic or religious background
TPTB can be defeated by getting a list of them and all of their underlings
TPTB can be defeated by getting a list of them and some of their underlings
TPTB can be defeated by getting a list of them only, no other criminals need to be taken down
It is impossible to defeat TPTB no matter what strategy is used
TPTB can be defeated only by first breaking down the corrupted systems which they profit from

Notice how FunnyMoney refuses to identify "their ethnic or religious background" as being JEWISH

He can't even say the word...lol.

:ROFL:

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http://www.onejerusalem.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/bernie_madoff_newyork.jpg

[FunnyMoney]

I would have listed them, but then I would have to list it as "knowing the Jews are the root of evil" and then another option, "knowing the Muslims are the root of all evil" and then another, "knowing the blacks are the root of all evil" and all permutations, and so on and so forth.

I would have done that, but the poll options have a small finite number allowed.

[Book]

but then I would have to list...



...the Amish.

:D

[Serpo]

but then I would have to list...



...the Amish.

:D


They have already voted..........

[Silver Shield]

THEY are defeated as soon as you are aware of the problems you face,
Intellectually...
Politically...
Physically...
Financially...
Emotionally...
And Spiritually.

Once you are aware, you can prepare.

Individuals taking responsibility for every action of their lives limits the power the collective has on them.

The problem lies in the fact that we are all limited in our thinking to ever become truly free.


Unfortunately not enough people will take this educational journey because it is too difficult.
So what is going to happen our paradigm will collapse.
And the responsibility for decades of no consequences will fall hard and fast onto everyone.

Stop worrying about things you cannot control. (Insert your own relative, friend, issue, or bogeyman here.)

And work on the ONLY thing you can control...




YOU.

[FunnyMoney]

THEY are defeated as soon as you are aware of the problems you face,



At an individual level, I agree in terms of a strategy for self preservation. However, that is not the point of the poll. Their are about 80% spectators who don't have much desire to become "aware". They are currently awaiting instructions on how to fix the problems from the same people who created those problems. Bread and circus is their only concern. While your strategy works to a small degree for some people, for most it does not. As these spectators become less educated (around the globe they're already mostly uneducated) and as they race toward poverty (around the globe they're already mostly very poor) instead of moving into the 10% enlightened group (you), they instead usually move into the 10% criminal one.

The PTB can be brought down, given enough education (like your website) and selected historic writings (like those of the founding fathers and others), but only if once enlightened the YOUs that you speak of select and support a strategy which will work (the reason for the poll).

[nunaem]

THE (current) PTB can be defeated through various methods. But the position of PTB can never be defeated forever, only replaced. It's impossible to have an egalitarian society.

Good men betray themselves when they believe that thrones can remain empty, and refuse to rule. Who will sit on the throne if good men don't? Invariably unscrupulous characters like the Jew. (but not only the Jew, he does not have a monopoly on evil)

[FunnyMoney]

... the position of PTB can never be defeated forever, ...



Liberty is not a noun it is a verb, it is the pursuit of liberty. Freedom is not a noun, it is protecting freedom and ensuring that God given rights are not trampled upon.

The position can be defeated forever, as long as the systems can be turned into honest systems of God and then kept that way. I would suggest the exclusive use of metal coins as money, for example, to handle a long standing protection of honest mediums. Not simply because gold and silver are honest, and hard to fake, but because I believe that the burden of having to carry around noisy change in your pocket and having to hire a guard to come with you when you make a really big purchase or using an escrow service to transfer the honest money would remind people of why paper money and usury upon the medium is no longer accepted. This simple burden would constantly remind people of why it is so important and why the "how" is so important - give a criminal an inch and before you know it not only have they taken a mile but much much worse. Egalitarian is not required, a focus on the how rather than the who, however is.

[silver solution]

Money? all that they have to do is to yell ANTISEMITC and they have won....is in the mind of the American people.


The SYSTEMS are not people. You can not be called a racist for attempting to change man made systems into God given ones. Changing the "how" has nothing to with the "who". Except for the fact that those "whos" who are criminals no longer have those criminal systems at their disposal to protect them.

Changing the medium of exchange from a man made, man controlled system of fiat into a God given system of silver and gold has nothing to do with people. Those God given systems were in place for thousands of years although they were constantly being corrupted in one form or another - and most people, once again, simply didn't understand or focus on "how" that was done. Often, yes, they were corrupted by people, but the systems in their true form are honest and have nothing to do with this person or that, so Where is religion or race involved?
They will call you that and more every day and twice on Sundays. They will use their tv to convince people you are the devil and should be dead or in jail.

[silver solution]

Money? all that they have to do is to yell ANTISEMITC and they have won....is in the mind of the American people.

"but the systems in their true form are honest"
The systems are satan's systems.

[silver solution]

hopefully the American people will catch on and crucify every politician that supports the bankers.
Tar, feather and rope is the answer.

[silver solution]

[quote=FunnyMoney

The PTB can be brought down, given enough education (like your website) and selected historic writings (like those of the founding fathers and others), but only if once enlightened the YOUs that you speak of select and support a strategy which will work (the reason for the poll).
[/quote] The founding fathers are the ones that led us to this mess with their CON!!

[Shami-Amourae]

Need a list? You can start here:

http://www.acsa2000.net/rockefeller_family.htm

[Bigjon]

Geeeee, a poll carefully crafted to yield the result funnymoney wants.

In some ways I agree with funnymoney, but you can't ignore all the roads that all lead to the Jews.

For the novice which we all were at some point, the mention of Jews is a big turn off, their brains shut off and all they see is all those dead corpses from all the countless holohoax movies and the guy who brought up the Jew word becomes an evil Nazi in their eyes.

However once you start down any trail, medicine, banking, stock market, drugs legal and illegal, you always end up at the same address... Jewish Central.

The Jews biggest asset is their loyalty to each other, a trait that if you are a non-Jew would be called Racism, but the Jews get a pass as does everybody who is not a white gentile. The Jews created this word and Political Correctness to deny white's the ability to organize on the same level that they are.

[FunnyMoney]

I read all the posts but not sure what's new to add. My OP and post #12 seem to still apply just fine.

I believe, and again this is just one single anonymous Interenet poster's opinion, but I believe that the word Jew does not trump the word tax.

I think the power of centralized taxation (add fiat, usury and a number of tax-similar items here) has taken us into this mess and into every mess throughout history. Take away the money, change it into honest money and remove centralized powers. JMHO but if people were to turn the word tax into an extension of the devil, I believe we could begin the long road back toward true freedom and liberty.

Following the money will tell you a lot, but only by changing the money can liberty win.

[Trinity]

Use cash. When they ban that use metals. When they ban that use barter. When they ban that don't talk, shoot.

[Dogman]

Use cash. When they ban that use metals. When they ban that use barter. When they ban that don't talk, shoot.


If it came to your last option, I would add lot's and lot's of rope! And the correct knot has 13 turns in it.

[uranian]

Liberty is not a noun it is a verb, it is the pursuit of liberty.

Well said, FM. But I disagree with you on the whole, with your idea that changing the systems can change the world. There will always be someone smart enough to corrupt any system. It is a refreshing perspective you bring to this discussion, because you're forcing open the discussion from just the hackneyed "it's the joos", and your position seems to be that it's more the form than the people that cause the problems, usury/taxation/centralisation and so on.

However I suspect that any possible replacement system will be corrupted. Might take a century, might take a decade, but it'll happen (look at the Fed, the third central bank of the US). What then lies at the root of the problem? The desire of the people to be led, which in turn is a reflection of their fear of self-responsibility. It boils down to that the mass of humanity is living in a fear-centered reality, rather than a love-centered reality. This is something that changes one person at a time, and I see evidence that it is changing in media consumption statistics:


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2098/2312896253_7ec7becbc0.jpg

Percentage of teenagers who spend one hour or less, two to three hours, or four hours or more watching television on average weekday, 1991–2001:


http://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2005/jan/images/04_0038_06.gif

People are watching less TV, and reading fewer newspapers. This being co-incident with the attempts to seize attention by the MSM getting ever more blaring, whether it's free porn, meat suits on lady gaga or terror/titillation, they are slowly losing people's attention.

So we are evolving...it is slow, and hard to perceive among the blare of the modern world, but it happening. The best strategy to changing the world is "know thyself". All of the noise and distractions are there purely to stop people from taking the time to look within, and even as the noise and distractions reach a quite insane level, more and more are finding that time.


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thanks for elevating the discussion above the "it's the joos" stuff ;)

[Neuro]

What's the obsession about not knowing your enemy. Yes I totally agree don't use their credit, don't use their money, don't pay their tax, don't look at their television programming, don't eat their drugs and junk food, but why not mention their name?

It's the Jews! Certainly there are other criminals involved, but have a good look at the elephant in the room!

[FunnyMoney]

They will use their tv to convince people you are the devil and should be dead or in jail.


If they can't collect on the taxes, they are going to have trouble paying the tv station's electric bill. Anyway, I would rather fight that fight now over the money and the taxes than simply lay down and watch the children drive down the road toward 100% slavery.

[Ash_Williams]

TPTB will always exist as long as people demand new TPTBs to save them from the old TPTBs.

Most approaches to fighting the PTB assume that they were smart enough to take over the world and masters of showbusiness but still incapable of putting even one layer of fiction between themselves and the world in the manner that professional wrestling has mastered.

If you are cheering one leader over another, cheering one use of gov power over another, cheering one group over another... it means you are in the audience for their show. Just like pro-wrestling, the more cheer for one of the sides they've set up and boo for another, they better it is for them. Don't kid yourself and think you're hurting them by not liking some of their characters.

Everything you need is inside you. It's impossible to hide the world from you, so what they've done is changed how you see it. From the day most of us are born, we're programmed for minimal success. We're stuffed full of so much guilt and shame that we can't clearly see the world and have almost no chance of succeeding in it. If you are able to clearly say what you want, it's amazing how easily it can happen, but people are programmed so badly to feel terrible about what they want (it's selfish, it's inappropriate, etc.) that their shame prevents them from saying it. Mutually beneficial arrangements could be happening every day if people were just able to say what they want. People will quit jobs, before saying they want a raise, since asking for a raise would sound selfish... the boss should just magically know despite having 800 other things on his mind. Men and women will spend months waiting for the other to say they want a relationship, before just giving up and settling for other men and women they didn't really want. The fear of maybe saying something inappropriate is greater than the certainty of giving up what they want most in life. We're so loaded with all these idiotic concepts of what we shouldn't feel, that we trap ourselves in our own lives.

If people can drop the barriers, it will go a long way to making TPTB irrelevant. Right now government and spiritual leaders are demanded mostly to make people feel less fear and guilt and so no person has to say out loud those terrible selfish inappropriate things they think - they can just elect a leader than they think secretly thinks those things too.

[FunnyMoney]

If people can drop the barriers, it will go a long way to making TPTB irrelevant.


The barrier I'm trying to drop is the centralized tax (include fiat because it's just a stealth tax by way of usury and debasement).

The way I see it, I would be really well off at my old age had I never had to pay any of those centralized taxes. And I'm not even including local, state, property, sales, gas, hotel, transportation taxes here. If I just had the centralized fiat debasement, artificially fixed usury, and federal income taxes back I would be really well off.

And worse is the thought about where those huge sums of money went. All those taxes paid for stupid, criminal wars, counter-productive social programs, graft, and the enrichment of a few greedy already too powerful elite.

The barrier isn't inside each one of us as Ash claims, JMHO, but instead it is the idea that taxes are a needed evil which is the barrier between us and defeating TPTB.

We need taxes, central govts and central banks about as much as we need a hole in the head.

Here is why the other methods won't work... (you must copy and paste the entire link into your browser to get to the post)
http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/land-of-the-free-1st-day-of-the-2nd-american-revolution-!/#msg124726

[Ash_Williams]

The way I see it, I would be really well off at my old age had I never had to pay any of those centralized taxes. And I'm not even including local, state, property, sales, gas, hotel, transportation taxes here. If I just had the centralized fiat debasement, artificially fixed usury, and federal income taxes back I would be really well off.

You have less money because of taxes. So what you want is more money. Isn't that right? If that is to happen, you have to formulate a plan to get more money and to at least attempt it. You can blame TPTB and talk about changing the tax system and gov all day and you're not going to have the outcome you want because you have no power because you have no money. You're stuck in a circle with that approach. I don't think the TPTB mind a whole lot if you are sitting there telling people how terrible they are, while paying your internet bill and tax bill and power bill to them instead of giving yourself more money and power. I mean, if it helps you to vent and think things though, then go for it, but don't fool yourself into thinking you are beating them while you still play by their rules.

Can you imagine how easy it would be to play a game against someone if you had taught them from day one that those who won were bad and they should feel guilty for even trying to win? It's all just so silly. We end up with people that hold themselves back in order to feel as if they are good people and then others pick up the slack. There will always be two distinct classes of people as long as that is the case.

[bellevuebully]

Money? all that they have to do is to yell ANTISEMITC and they have won....is in the mind of the American people.

"but the systems in their true form are honest"
The systems are satan's systems.


This is all pissing in the wind unless one seeks and understands the above.

Generally, the following comments are for those that consider spiritual issues. The intent is not to invite a debate on Christianity for the sake of arguing. Believe what you choose. That's your perogative.

Short answer on the poll......no, I don't believe they can. Not here, in this age. We might put them off, delay them, but Satan is the architect of this world, and all of it's systems...religious, social, political, economical, etc...as well as it's implied understandings. It is a system that has been woven together to facilitate confusion and corruption. It truly is a matrix of epic proportions.

We see how the system allows and even facilitates corruption everyday......I can't see anyone here disagreeing with that. Undeclared/illegal wars, unconstitutional rule of law, cover ups, shadey administrations........every step of the way in this world is corruptable. Not one system, not a single one can naturally maintain integrity.

The ability to control opinion and propagate lies is designed and effectively used. It breeds hate and division, ancient tools of the devil. And prophetically, it usually comes as an angel of light......we'll save you, come with us, trust us, nationalism/patriotism, ......you know the cliches.


No, I think this is well beyond the ability of man. The nwo is widely acknowleged by most participants on this board. Does the fact that this is a forseen event not strike a chord? It seems not to with most on the board. There are a lot of players being used here.....jews, nazis, communists, capitalists, etc.....the one constant being a common master. The hardcore satanism that is being practiced around the world and WITHIN these very important systems, has certainly done a good job of keeping itself in the shadows, even from many like those on here, who are searching for the truth.

Occultic images adorn our 'currency', the halls of government, charitable institutions, educational facilities, religious buildings, corperate logos, cultural gestures, entertainment conduits, etc.

Occultic dynamics permeate our existance via the dominance of confusion and corruption.

Occultic ideas pour forth from technology and academia....weather control, global warming (or is it cooling?), eugenics, population reduction, biowarfare.

Occultic doctrines perpetuate in our religious systems....'the god within', self-heal, praying to/baptizing the dead, mock sacrafice.

Why is it that with SO MANY signs of the occult around us, so many, Christians more-so, do we choose to see it as the doings of this group or that.

I've got news for you. We are all being used, if we allow ourselves to be. Being led into distractive notions about who is more responsible is allowing ourselves to be used mightly. By doing so, we fall direcly into the hands of man's greatest foe.

If you want to do something that will really impact the 'power' (singular) that be, WAKE UP to the architecture of the greatest lie ever purpetrated. It is essential.

Wake up and take a look around.

Peace and God's blessing to all.

[bellevuebully]

So, have we got rid of the critters yet??

[FunnyMoney]

So, have we got rid of the critters yet??



I ran out to the store to buy something, just to check and see.

They Did Not ask me for payment in silver, and they Did add on the taxes. So just from this one test case, I would have to say "no", we havn't.

[bellevuebully]

So, have we got rid of the critters yet??



I ran out to the store to buy something, just to check and see.

They Did Not ask me for payment in silver, and they Did add on the taxes. So just from this one test case, I would have to say "no", we havn't.


hahaha

[bellevuebully]

I will submit my final answer to the op........

[shakinginmyshoes]

You can not be called a racist for attempting to...

I'm not afraid of being called a racist anymore.

Because I read Racism Schmacism by James Edwards.
http://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/book/

He helped me understand, ordinary Whites think that when libs say "racist," they mean somebody who wants to lynch all black people, or something.

But really, "racist," as used by a lib / non-Whites anymore, is just a synonym for "White person." The libs use the word this way secretly, fully aware its use will make the White target assume that the lib believes Mr. White Target wantstokillsixmillionjews or something. Then, the lib knows, Mr. White Target will be distracted from his point and, instead, spend the rest of the day insisting he's NOT a racist.
Makes a GREAT club to bash White people so they'll shut up and not squawk about being dispossessed of their countries. (Plus, gives them a good snicker)

(anti-White) LIB: "You...you...you...RACIST" (secretly meaning "White person).
MR. WHITE TARGET: I'm NOT a racist!'"
(anti-White) LIB: Yes, you are! (silently thinking, you most certainly ARE a White guy)
MR. WHITE TARGET: No, I'm not. My best friend is Jewish.
LIB: You are a RACIST!
MR. WHITE TARGET: No, I'm not. But I'm sorry that once upon a time the ancestors of you people were mistreated. Which social welfare program can I vote for, for you, so you will think I"m a nice person and won't think I'm racist?

LIB: This one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and do NOT oppose mass immigration (you RACIST)!!!!

[bellevuebully]

You can not be called a racist for attempting to...

I'm not afraid of being called a racist anymore.

Because I read Racism Schmacism by James Edwards.
http://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/book/

He helped me understand, ordinary Whites think that when libs say "racist," they mean somebody who wants to lynch all black people, or something.

But really, "racist," as used by a lib / non-Whites anymore, is just a synonym for "White person." The libs use the word this way secretly, fully aware its use will make the White target assume that the lib believes Mr. White Target wantstokillsixmillionjews or something. Then, the lib knows, Mr. White Target will be distracted from his point and, instead, spend the rest of the day insisting he's NOT a racist.
Makes a GREAT club to bash White people so they'll shut up and not squawk about being dispossessed of their countries. (Plus, gives them a good snicker)

(anti-White) LIB: "You...you...you...RACIST" (secretly meaning "White person).
MR. WHITE TARGET: I'm NOT a racist!'"
(anti-White) LIB: Yes, you are! (silently thinking, you most certainly ARE a White guy)
MR. WHITE TARGET: No, I'm not. My best friend is Jewish.
LIB: You are a RACIST!
MR. WHITE TARGET: No, I'm not. But I'm sorry that once upon a time the ancestors of you people were mistreated. Which social welfare program can I vote for, for you, so you will think I"m a nice person and won't think I'm racist?

LIB: This one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and do NOT oppose mass immigration (you RACIST)!!!!


Is this in the right thread??

[shakinginmyshoes]

Oops, no. sorry. Thought I was on the other one.

It is relevant, in a way, though:

Christianity is universalist (All people can be saved and become good Christians just as long as they
say "Jesus come into my heart.")

Whereas *I* don't buy it.

People are what they are because of their genes. IOW, Europeans made Christianity what it traditionally is, not Christianity making Euros what they are. But such opinions in PC-addled America will get you shouted down as "racist."
I'm not scared of being called racist, anymore, because now I see what the joke is.
"Racist" is the word lefties use that just means "White people." And they LOVE it that Euros of Christian heritage will jump to do their bidding when they say it.

[shakinginmyshoes]

Oops, no. sorry. Thought I was on the other one.

It is relevant, in a way, though:

Christianity is universalist (All people can be saved and become good Christians just as long as they
say "Jesus come into my heart.")

Whereas *I* don't buy it.

People are what they are because of their genes. IOW, Europeans made Christianity what it traditionally is, not Christianity making Euros what they are. But such opinions in PC-addled America will get you shouted down as "racist."




I'm not scared of being called racist, anymore, because now I see what the joke is.
"Racist" is the word lefties use that just means "White people." And they LOVE it that Euros of Christian heritage will jump to do their bidding when they say it.

[bellevuebully]

Oops, no. sorry. Thought I was on the other one.

It is relevant, in a way, though:

Christianity is universalist (All people can be saved and become good Christians just as long as they
say "Jesus come into my heart.")



Considering the depths to which Christianity has been a focul point in human history, politics, and culture, to shrug it off so obviously disregarding is a fools game.

As your teacher in grade school would say......Billy, your not even trying. It's that obvious.

As to the rest, I'll read the other thread.

[shakinginmyshoes]

Considering the depths to which Christianity has been a focul point in human history, politics, and culture, to shrug it off so obviously disregarding is a fools game.

How am I wrong? Evangelical Christianity (the guys with the revivals) certainly DO teach that 'inviting Jesus into your heart" will cause the "holy spirit to fill you" causing you to "put off the old man And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness"
i.e., all that's required to remake you into a good guy is to "accept Jesus as Lord."

The Catholics, otoh, who ran Christendom through most of the last 2000 years, required you to go to school (catechism) and be baptised (or if baptised at birth, confirmed) but they, too, taught that the Jews, and all others "who come to Christ" could be saved by conversion. And they taught it's sinful to question the sincerity of the Jewish or other convert or that a Jew who went through the conversion process is really behaving true to Christian dogma.

BUT, the Catholics discovered to their horror, that many Jews who had gone through conversion rites were still secretly practicing Judaism and usuriously ripping off the other Catholics. This was the cause for the initiation of the Spanish Inquisition.

Is that trying hard enough?

But I say that European Christians behave like Christians because it's their genetic nature to do so, which Christianity confirms to them is the right way to act.
MORE

[shakinginmyshoes]

And that Muslims do what they do because it's their genetic nature (which their religion then teaches is correct)
And that Jews do what they do because it's their genetic nature (which their religion teaches is good to do)
etc.


And anytime a conversion "works" and the converso really starts acting in accordance with the creed,
it's because he's a mutant from his genetic pool who had those tendencies inherent in him, and managed to find a religion that "fits" him, a religion different from the one practiced by his coethnics.

[Awoke]

TPTB will be defeated when the true Christ returns. Not before. It is prophesied.

[LuckyStrike]

TPTB will be defeated when the true Christ returns. Not before. It is prophesied.


+1

At the end of the day this is the only acceptable answer.

When you begin to research you begin to connect dots, to put pieces of the puzzle together, one of the first things people realize and the stage most GSUSers are is the point where you realize "wow, we are in for some SERIOUS times, "tptb" have SO much control and are so unified"

The deeper you go is when patterns emerge and one of the very first is money, none of these guys are poor infact they have money that makes Gates look middle class. You then notice that with this money they have immense influence, charities, organizations, schools, seminaries etc.

You begin to identify some oft repeated names, Rothschild, Warburg, Goldman Sachs, Schiff, the big players on Wall St.

This is where most stop, they are satisfied with a handful of concrete names and some vague notion of TPTB. This is evidenced by options on the poll being finding out who they are, most people don't know. They choose not to know because it pushes them beyond their comfort zone. Any talk of conspiracy pushes most people way to far out of their slumber so the fact that people make it this far is a big step in the right direction.

While it is good to have this information it isn't enough.

I think everyone can agree that "they" are waging war on us. The first rule of warfare is to know who your enemy is. So I find it unacceptable for people to waltz around with intentionally vague answers as to who is behind this. Take 9/11 as a prime example most here do not buy the government version of events, but they stop there. They don't ever ask well if it wasn't scary ragheads than who was it? When this answer is absolutely critical.

I don't feel like typing anymore but suffice to say I agree with Awoke, this war is a spiritual war. It is literally pure good against pure evil. Some people prance around claiming how grand it is that people don't believe in the old silly biblical myths anymore as if this is a sure sign of human progress. Never do they open their eyes and observe the exact correlation of Western mans rejection of Christian principles* and the downfall of Western society.






*Christian principles are not necessarily the same as what spews from a pulpit on sunday.

[shakinginmyshoes]

Never do they open their eyes and observe the exact correlation of Western mans rejection of Christian principles* and the downfall of Western society.[/i


[i]*Christian principles are not necessarily the same as what spews from a pulpit on sunday.

Thank you!
The Catholic Church kept the lid on the Jews for 1400 years (keeping them sequestered in ghettos), until the Freemasons loosed 'em, having gotten carried away with their universalist idea of "liberte, fraternite et egalite".

The Freemasons mistook WHO their brothers are. They thought, "everybody." Ooooooops.

Then, along about the early 1900s, Scofield, of Scofield bible fame, wrote his notes in the bible, called "dispensationalism," which resulted in the phenomenon we see today of "preachers" like Van Impe and Hal Lindsay telling American Christians that Armageddon is coming and be nice to the Jews, they're the chosen people, and if you want Jesus to come back before you die, you better support "the Chosen" -- usually phrased as "we stand with Israel." And anyway, see, the bible predicted all this, so there's nothing you, Mr. Christian White Man, can do about it. Might as well just lay down and accept it all.

Rabbit hole questions: WHO funded Scofield? Who gives televangelist preachers like Van Impe the chance to be on TV? How does believing Armageddon is imminent and "Jews" ought to be in that piece of real estate presently called Israel cause Christians to put down their defenses against Jewish predations? In short, how does "Rapture Ready" benefit the Jews?

[shakinginmyshoes]

I guess the difference in our pov is that you believe Christianity comes from either the evangelicals or from the catholics. I say it comes from God. I better understand your statement now.

Welllllll, my theology (which is a rather gross overstatement, since I'm still trying to get my head around this) is:

God created Europeans (and everybody else). DNA is the mediator of Europeanness - as well as, other versions of DNA result in black Africans and Japanese and Australian Abos and pandas and tigers and beetles. (God is the creator of DNA.)
DNA is the wellspring from which physical appearance, behavior tendencies and modes of thought spring. Christianity is an expression of Euro thought processes, therefore, it could be, with complete intellectual consistently, said to spring from God.

Now, there is the issue in the world of the longstanding enmity between White Euros and Jews (both Ashkenazi, which are a hybrid of middle eastern and Euro --and some Khazar?, and Sephardic which is very nearly entirely Arab). The Jews have got hold of the evangelicals at present and are misleading them.

Why is God allowing this to go on? Hm. Tough question, like the question, why do 11 y o children sometimes die of cancer?

[bellevuebully]

I guess the difference in our pov is that you believe Christianity comes from either the evangelicals or from the catholics. I say it comes from God. I better understand your statement now.

Welllllll, my theology (which is a rather gross overstatement, since I'm still trying to get my head around this) is:

God created Europeans (and everybody else). DNA is the mediator of Europeanness - as well as, other versions of DNA result in black Africans and Japanese and Australian Abos and pandas and tigers and beetles. (God is the creator of DNA.)
DNA is the wellspring from which physical appearance, behavior tendencies and modes of thought spring. Christianity is an expression of Euro thought processes, therefore, it could be, with complete intellectual consistently, said to spring from God.

Now, there is the issue in the world of the longstanding enmity between White Euros and Jews (both Ashkenazi, which are a hybrid of middle eastern and Euro --and some Khazar?, and Sephardic which is very nearly entirely Arab). The Jews have got hold of the evangelicals at present and are misleading them.

Why is God allowing this to go on? Hm. Tough question, like the question, why do 11 y o children sometimes die of cancer?


Most of what you are describing about dna mediating europeanness and christianity being an expression of Euro thought process sounds like a bunch of bunk meant to confuse.

Do you believe the Jews have a hold of evangelicals?? Did you not pose the q about Scofield and who funded him and for what purpose? I assumed you connected the dots. The process was driven by zionists using a belief system (Jews) as cover to further a god-nation nationalist agenda by corrupting biblical text by inserting increasingly more blatent rhetoric based on nothing but luciferian goals to conquor the world. In otherwords, create a sect of Isreal-living......not Jew-Loving......Israel loving sympathists within the Christian church. Hence the non biblically based terms such as dispensationalism, Judeo-Christian and Christion-zionism.

Now, maybe you get this and maybe you don't. I have trouble following your posting style. Or maybe you are intentionally trying to distract.

[kregener]

If 10 million working Americans would stand up at once and publicly refuse to file federal income taxes, their house '0 cards would totally crumble.

[bellevuebully]

If 10 million working Americans would stand up at once and publicly refuse to file federal income taxes, their house '0 cards would totally crumble.


You and I both know that is likely true, but we both also know, that is not going to happen. They have been conditioning the masses for mellinia, and the masses have been waking up for seconds. I'd say, as far as world events, the ball is in their court.

[FunnyMoney]

Most of what you are describing about dna mediating europeanness and christianity being an expression of Euro thought process sounds like a bunch of bunk meant to confuse.

Do you believe the Jews have a hold of evangelicals?? Did you not pose the q about Scofield and who funded him and for what purpose? I assumed you connected the dots. The process was driven by zionists using a belief system (Jews) as cover to further a god-nation nationalist agenda by corrupting biblical text by inserting increasingly more blatent rhetoric based on nothing but luciferian goals to conquor the world. In otherwords, create a sect of Isreal-living......not Jew-Loving......Israel loving sympathists within the Christian church. Hence the non biblically based terms such as dispensationalism, Judeo-Christian and Christion-zionism.

Now, maybe you get this and maybe you don't. I have trouble following your posting style. Or maybe you are intentionally trying to distract.


It appears that way to me too...





And it could possibly take more than 10 million to refute taxation, the PTB could resort to blacklisting where you couldn't get a job or take any of the govt hand outs, they could stop you from being seen by a doctor, arrest you when they finally get around to it or worse. Central govts have been known to be capable of doing much much worse.

But an idea might be to try and get everybody to file an extension to test mass resolve and then just see how many delay days and weeks past the deadline people would be willing to take things. But essentially I agree with Kregener, the problem is the sheeple, the "80% spectator" thread comes to mind again. Also it's a global thing, so if the rest of the world is willing to stay under the thumb of central banking and govt powers then they would still probably be able to beat any nation back into line.

A lot of education and a lot of time might be required. But if people come to the realization that honest coins as the only medium and about the evils of taxation in some global awareness some success might be seen. Also, if an admiration grows about "off the grid", "under the radar" systems, from buying local and organic to fighting for local and states rights - that could build a grass roots movement.

I also don't overlook states rights as a possible strategy. If a few states decided to secede and the rest of the nation was completely ok with it, it could be difficult for the federal govt to start a civil war over it, but I'm sure they would try something.

The ball is not in liberty's court, that there is not doubt. But still, it is a noble duty to try and get the ball back and do the best possible to protect individual God given rights and pursue good over evil. Sure, things might get simply worse and worse until God decides the time has come, but it would be a mistake to give up and give in while waiting for that time.

[shakinginmyshoes]

Now, maybe you get this and maybe you don't.

I'll try to explain. Tough, because I'm not clear myself on all the details, but,

here goes:
CLEARLY race matters. Race is extended family. Family is similar DNA (you share more genes with your brother than your second cousin. BUT you share more genes with your second cousin than with your 8th cousin. BUT you share more genes with your 8th cousin than with a member of another race. A race is a whole bunch of 8th and 16th cousins, etc., who all live, or at least lived, on the same continent for millenia, intermarrying, thus sharing a gene pool, and who, therefore, look alike AND think alike.)

DNA determines what you look like, and despite the sputterings of anti-racists, ALSO how you think. The proof is provided by the separated-at-birth twins studies. These separated-at-birth twins grew up to live astonishingly similar lives, including religious leanings, political leanings, occupations, number of children, and even had spouses that looked similar.
These studies demonstrated the

[shakinginmyshoes]

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choices people make in life are DNA-determined.

I'm not a Christian. I'm agnostic. Certainly I agree it's well within the bounds of reason to accept the Universe came into being as a result of Intelligent design, but I don't buy that the bible is "His word." To my cold-eyed view, too flawed. Too many contradictions. Too easy for falsehoods to be inserted (as per Scofield bible). Too likely to fool our people into being servile to Jews. I respect that you DO buy it. If you're Euro(Christian), then you're one of my people, so I'm on your side. Maybe you understand more than me. Certainly for a person blind from birth it would be unsurprising that such a person denied "color" and can't comprehend the notion of "blue." Maybe religiious people have a portion of their brain that is more developed than us agnostics. Certainly MRI studies would indicate so.

The Jews and the Euros (i.e., Christians) are in a struggle for resources, as happens anytime two populations or two species or two breeds share a territory. So happens, the
Jews' religion tells them it's right and good to treat Christians as cattle.
But me, being a Euro, don't agree with THAT viewpoint.
Jews, being in resource competition, have concluded that their interests are served by sowing confusion among the EuroChristian evangelicals, such that they've conned them into believing that being a Good Christian means "standing with Israel." This benefits the Jews monetarily (foreign aid) AND because it gets the Christians to go to war to eliminate the Jews' Arab enemies for them. Plus the Jews got to move into their own, private country, with the non-Jews kept out. Wish us Euro Americans got to have that for ourselves.

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choices people make in life are DNA-determined.

I'm not a Christian. I'm agnostic. Certainly I agree it's well within the bounds of reason to accept the Universe came into being as a result of Intelligent design, but I don't buy that the bible is "His word." To my cold-eyed view, too flawed. Too many contradictions. Too easy for falsehoods to be inserted (as per Scofield bible). Too likely to fool our people into being servile to Jews. I respect that you DO buy it. If you're Euro(Christian), then you're one of my people, so I'm on your side. Maybe you understand more than me. Certainly for a person blind from birth it would be unsurprising that such a person denied "color" and can't comprehend the notion of "blue." Maybe religiious people have a portion of their brain that is more developed than us agnostics. Certainly MRI studies would indicate so.

The Jews and the Euros (i.e., Christians) are in a struggle for resources, as happens anytime two populations or two species or two breeds share a territory. So happens, the
Jews' religion tells them it's right and good to treat Christians as cattle.
But me, being a Euro, don't agree with THAT viewpoint.
Jews, being in resource competition, have concluded that their interests are served by sowing confusion among the EuroChristian evangelicals, such that they've conned them into believing that being a Good Christian means "standing with Israel." This benefits the Jews monetarily (foreign aid) AND because it gets the Christians to go to war to eliminate the Jews' Arab enemies for them. Plus the Jews got to move into their own, private country, with the non-Jews kept out. Wish us Euro Americans got to have that for ourselves.




You've mentioned in several posts that your essentially still trying to get your head around all of this. Fair enough, I can respect that. But since you are wanting to banter ideas around, let me share with you my thoughts.

If you think you are going to find any truthful answers looking to academia, that might be part of your confusion. How long has serious DNA study (Rockerfeller funded)been around? The structure itself wasn't really even recognized until around the 50's, so extrapolate from there. Being generous, your saying the scientific/eugenics community has complety and exhaustively solved the mysteries of human behaviour in what, 50 years? That's astonishing.

That's a charlatans claim. Don't fall for charlatans.

In sincerity.

[shakinginmyshoes]

The structure itself wasn't really even recognized until around the 50's, so extrapolate from there. Being generous, your saying the scientific/eugenics community has complety and exhaustively solved the mysteries of human behaviour in what, 50 years? That's astonishing.

Thanks. Yeah, I agree. Big Science is woefully corrupt. But, just as a small point, eugenics has been around, well, as long as people. That's what stereotypes are -- the collected wisdom of our ancestors, based on their own real-life experiences.
Eugenics are very well understood -- it's the basis of dog and horse breeding. It's just considered to be "sinful" when applied to human beings.
But genetics are what they are. When a woman who has blonde hair and blue eyes and white skin and Type O blood with a blond, blue-eyed husband with type O blood gives birth to a child with black, kinky hair and brown eyes and very dark skin and type B blood, he knows he's been cuckolded. Just as "looks" are inheritable, so is behavior. Our ancestors knew this: "The apple doesn't fall far from the tree." "He's a chip off the old block."

DNA research, including the Human Genome Project, is ongoing, in SPITE of most of (Jewish dominated) academia's DESPERATE attempts to deny, distort and smear as RACIST anyone who publishes findings about human differences, including in intelligence, political leaning, propensity for alcoholism, psychopathy, ethnocentricity, etc. And virtually ALL of it finds biogenetics markers that correlate nearly perfectly with the "old, discredited" (yeah, sure) stereotypes.
Some of the best investigators and writers on this subject are ALSO being persecuted for their findings by (Jewish) "Big Scientists" (scare quotes to indicate my disdain for them being labelled "scientists" since what they are doing is not science but propaganda/ advocacy.)

Watson (discoverer of DNA) himself was "watsonned," driven out of his lab HE FOUNDED for saying he was pessimistic about the prospects for Africa, since Africans have a low average IQ. Any schoolteacher knows, but may not tell you, gifted kids come from gifted parents.. Dim bulb parents do NOT raise polymaths.
Is it culture or genes, though? Yeah, it's genes.

[kregener]

The government could not stop 10 million people from doing whatever they wanted to.

Sans nukes, that is.

[bellevuebully]

The structure itself wasn't really even recognized until around the 50's, so extrapolate from there. Being generous, your saying the scientific/eugenics community has complety and exhaustively solved the mysteries of human behaviour in what, 50 years? That's astonishing.

Thanks. Yeah, I agree. Big Science is woefully corrupt. But, just as a small point, eugenics has been around, well, as long as people. That's what stereotypes are -- the collected wisdom of our ancestors, based on their own real-life experiences.
Eugenics are very well understood -- it's the basis of dog and horse breeding. It's just considered to be "sinful" when applied to human beings.
But genetics are what they are. When a woman who has blonde hair and blue eyes and white skin and Type O blood with a blond, blue-eyed husband with type O blood gives birth to a child with black, kinky hair and brown eyes and very dark skin and type B blood, he knows he's been cuckolded. Just as "looks" are inheritable, so is behavior. Our ancestors knew this: "The apple doesn't fall far from the tree." "He's a chip off the old block."

DNA research, including the Human Genome Project, is ongoing, in SPITE of most of (Jewish dominated) academia's DESPERATE attempts to deny, distort and smear as RACIST anyone who publishes findings about human differences, including in intelligence, political leaning, propensity for alcoholism, psychopathy, ethnocentricity, etc. And virtually ALL of it finds biogenetics markers that correlate nearly perfectly with the "old, discredited" (yeah, sure) stereotypes.
Some of the best investigators and writers on this subject are ALSO being persecuted for their findings by (Jewish) "Big Scientists" (scare quotes to indicate my disdain for them being labelled "scientists" since what they are doing is not science but propaganda/ advocacy.)

Watson (discoverer of DNA) himself was "watsonned," driven out of his lab HE FOUNDED for saying he was pessimistic about the prospects for Africa, since Africans have a low average IQ. Any schoolteacher knows, but may not tell you, gifted kids come from gifted parents.. Dim bulb parents do NOT raise polymaths.
Is it culture or genes, though? Yeah, it's genes.




Good luck with your study. I wish you well.

[Awoke]

I am not preaching at anyone in particular, but just posing something to think about.

If Christ is not real, then why is the entire focus of TPTB to destroy Christianity?



You don't see them plotting against Hinduism, Buddhism, Paganism, Judaism, Scientology, Hari-Krisha, anyone. The people in power at the head of the conspiracy devote their entire attention to one thing and one thing only, and they take many different approaches and angles at this one focus, but it always remains the same in the end:
To make people stop believing in Jesus Christ.

So then, to all you lurking readers who are non-believers who consider yourselves "researchers" and/or knowledgeable regarding the conspiracy, I would ask you to reflect on this: TPTB are devoted to Satan.
They would not devote themselves and commit themselves so fully against Christ if Jesus Christ wasn't real.




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One other thing I would like to add, if you are an agnostic, Satan laughs. He has already succeeded in his mission, which is to make you "not believe" in Christ.
And if you know Jesus is real, and believe in Jesus, and choose to reject him - I don't know if you would ever be forgiven.

[shakinginmyshoes]

If Christ is not real, then why is the entire focus of TPTB to destroy Christianity?
So then, to all you lurking readers

Is it okay if I give my answer, even though I'm not a lurker? If so, here it is:

Here's the best explanation I've seen (paraphrasing).

CLEARLY a people who by-and-large lack religion become nihilistic/ lose their will to survive. If the Jews can beat down Christianity, it weakens their age-old foe (us).
THe jews focus on Christianity because it's a slick diversion for what they're REALLY focusing on -- Eurowhites. Why beat up on Eurowhites? Because we're the race that produces individuals who can compete with them for the plum economic niches.

And anyway, the Jews are ticked off at the Christians for the Catholic Church having suppressed them for over 1000 years. So they hold a grudge for which they're now getting their revenge.

I've "not believed" in Jesus since I was 7 years old, (the Age of Reason), if not before.
Satan had a grip on me then? Hm. Well, maybe. Maybe I was born to be the gadfly to make the Christians examine their faith and make the Christians' faith stronger?

[shakinginmyshoes]

Or maybe I was born lacking the genes that code for belief.

MRI studies indicate such may be true. (Self-described believers tend to have a certain area of their brain be larger than self-described agnostics.)

[Bigjon]

If 10 million working Americans would stand up at once and publicly refuse to file federal income taxes, their house '0 cards would totally crumble.


It would be nice to see such a display, but it wouldn't make any difference to the Gov's bottom line.

The beauty of the Fed is money from nowhere to everyone.

The only reason for the income tax is to prevent runaway inflation and to punish those who get in the way.

[Awoke]

THe jews focus on Christianity because it's a slick diversion for what they're REALLY focusing on -- Eurowhites. Why beat up on Eurowhites? Because we're the race that produces individuals who can compete with them for the plum economic niches.


Oh, so is that why they talk specifically about Jesus Christ in the Talmud? Because they don't want Eurowhites competing with them?
Is that why the lucies are luciferians? Because they don't want to compete with Eurowhites?
Is that why? Eurowhites?

No. I don't think I can agree with you on this one.




I've "not believed" in Jesus since I was 7 years old, (the Age of Reason), if not before.
Satan had a grip on me then? Hm. Well, maybe. Maybe I was born to be the gadfly to make the Christians examine their faith and make the Christians' faith stronger?


Maybe God's plan for you is to find him and accept him later.

[FunnyMoney]

If 10 million working Americans would stand up at once and publicly refuse to file federal income taxes, their house '0 cards would totally crumble.


It would be nice to see such a display, but it wouldn't make any difference to the Gov's bottom line.

The beauty of the Fed is money from nowhere to everyone.

The only reason for the income tax is to prevent runaway inflation and to punish those who get in the way.


I also responded to Kregener on that one. But not for the same reasons. I took liberty with his comments and thought more along the lines that if 10 million stand up to the IRS then likely they would go after changing the money they use too. Stop using their money, cut them out of the picture.

The theory would be a snowball one where they would be unable to stop the 10 million, so eventually most everybody would join in. Then finally take up the Ron Paul platform on their own. Remeber, his platform was the first week in office close down the IRS and then the second week end the federal reserve.

[bellevuebully]

Maybe God's plan for you is to find him and accept him later.


Romans 6: 1 and 2 support you on this.......1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2Certainly not!..........Apparently, God doesn't use sin and seperation to achieve His purpose, He uses the Truth and the Word.