Alan Greenspan: Our Ayn Rand 007 Hero?

[Silver Shield]

This is an old article I have in the Academy vault.
What if Alan Greenspan was a hero for all that he did?
Read below...

Who Is Alan Greenspan?

Alan Greenspan's early writings propounded the gold standard in a clear, lucid, and morally compelling way. As many people know, he was a member of Ayn Rand's inner circle in the 1950s. Of course, she was bitterly opposed to fraudulent fractional reserve banking with fiat paper money, as was he.
Relatively recently, Mr. Greenspan was asked by Ron Paul whether he stood behind an article he wrote in 1967 about the superior morality of the gold standard, and he replied that he did.

How can we reconcile these indisputable facts with Mr. Greenspan's record in office, in which he has caused or at least allowed a gigantic fiat money catastrophe to develop? No one has yet answered this question publicly.

I have a hypothesis about this mystery. The key is in Ayn Rand's masterwork, "Atlas Shrugged". In that book, there is a character named Francisco D'Anconia, who in his youth was passionately devoted to honest and productive business ventures (primarily mining), intellectual pursuits, and the heroine of the book, Dagny Taggart (not necessarily in that order). Later in the book, he appears to have made a 180 degree turn with regard to all of these: his business profits from political corruption, his time is spent throwing absurd and wasteful parties, and he behaves apparently callously toward his former lover, Dagny.

She is tormented by his apparent turning against everything that he once held dear, and can find no rational explanation for it. This bothers her whenever she comes across a mention of him in the society pages of the newspaper, regarding one of his ridiculous parties or some other meaningless flirtation in which he has been reputed to be involved.

Finally, she learns the truth: he has been doing it all on purpose. The wasteful parties and all the other senseless behavior he is reputed to indulge in are a cover for his intentional destruction of his inherited fortune, so that it cannot be used to prop up corrupt regimes in the Latin American countries where his company's copper mines exist. He is making sure that the parasites who live off the wealth he and his ancestors have created will no longer be able to do so. They will perish without that wealth, whereas he can make a new fortune without them.

So what does this all have to do with Alan Greenspan? Simply this: is it possible that he has not changed his convictions in the least, but is acting out the part of Francisco? In that case, he is as strong a supporter of honest money as he ever was, and his apparent recklessness in promoting and sustaining the insane stock market, mortgage, and derivatives bubbles was not recklessness at all, but intentional. He wanted to make sure that this time, when the fiat money system collapses, it will take all of the parasites with it. The only ones left standing will be those who favor honest money, i.e., gold.


Steve Heller



What if it was some grand plan of Ayn Rand to get someone in there to overheat the system knowing TPTB would have never listened to moral economics. Knowing the nature of the enemy and that honest and moral people who saw the truth owned real money would be able to pick up the pieces of a destroyed economy and profit without parasitic state on their back. If this would be true I think it would be the most interesting story of the century.

I hope my Academy spurs on some deep motivation and education for people to independently act for freedom.

[Twisted Titan]

Its a interesting theory about Greengas but I am of the opinion the lure of paper money and the power assosicated with it was too much for him to resist.

And if he every tried to do something along those line in hope of bettering his fellow man they would have dispatched him years ago.


You dont rule the roost for as along at they have without evaluating all the possiblities.


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[Neuro]

He understands honest money, and I'm sure he has plenty of it in a vault somewhere, but he didn't earn it honestly. His actions will take many who tried to earn honestly down, and a few have earned gigantic fortunes dishonestly... He is no hero!

[Glass]

Well thats a crock. Every action should follow the moral compass IMO. No excuse for base behaviour in the name of the greater good. Evil always tries to paint it self with the brush of righteousness.

[Book]

Evil always tries to paint it self with the brush of righteousness.



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But...but...but...but Bernie stole that $65 Billion from the gullible goyim so he could donate it to the starving Palestinian children in Gaza. The OP's notion that Greenspan has some secret plan of Goodness that is just as righteous and kosher as Madoff's...well...it could happen. Jews are famous for their generosity and charity.

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[Hatha Sunahara]

Greenspan is an economist. Economics is pseudoscience, and economists tell the highest bidders what they want to hear, for a fee.

He might as well have said "I'm a whore. I've been corrupted by the system, but I still hold onto the ideals of my youth." I know he can't say that, but that's how I perceive it. I have as much respect for him as I do for any other usurer.

Hatha

[Book]

The key is in Ayn Rand's masterwork, "Atlas Shrugged".

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Ayn Rand and Nathaniel Branden had an open affair while their suffering spouses waited in the living room. Branden's wife even wrote a book about this affair and it was made into a Hollywood movie.

So much for finding Morality in anything Ayn Rand wrote...lol.

:D

[Neuro]

But...but...but...but Bernie stole that $65 Billion from the gullible goyim so he could donate it to the starving Palestinian children in Gaza. The OP's notion that Greenspan has some secret plan of Goodness that is just as righteous and kosher as Madoff's...well...it could happen. Jews are famous for their generosity and charity.

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Yes altruism is a beautiful thing, we are so lucky to have Jews on this planet to teach us this... LOL

[Libertarian_Guard]

What a B.S. theory.

Find something that you are opposed to, like, say, crack cocaine. Then become a pusher in an attempt to prove your point. Even push a stronger more deadly type of crack just to send the junkies to an earlier grave, since that is where they are headed anyhow.

Then after overdose deaths hit a new record high, stand back and say "look I told you so, and I even helped to prove the point."

In some kind of upside down world you may be a hero, but not in my world.

[Silver Shield]

Greenepan never went back on Gold and Economic freedom and yet he was the biggest enabled of the " welfare statists"

Say what you will, Greenspan is one smart cookie and his early life and his career do not gel.

The most likely story is that he was corrupted by power.

But what if Ayn Rand created an agent so indoctrinated and educated to act as a agent saboteur to bring about an overheated collapse of the machine the enslaves the world?

Tell me you all are not cheering for the collapse to bring an end tintype unholy paradigm, knowing that you are not dependent on it for your success or survival.

When it does go, the world will point to Ayn Rands pupil as the man who did it.

This is probably only understood by those that have read Atlas Shrugged...










Question everything.

[Book]

This is probably only understood by those that have read Atlas Shrugged...




...or read the Talmud. Every single member of Rand's inner circle was a jew.

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[Twisted Titan]

Greenspan is an economist. Economics is pseudoscience, and economists tell the highest bidders what they want to hear, for a fee.
He might as well have said "I'm a whore. I've been corrupted by the system, but I still hold onto the ideals of my youth." I know he can't say that, but that's how I perceive it. I have as much respect for him as I do for any other usurer.

Hatha




That is a hell of quote for a shirt

[keehah]

The one part of this interview (not quoted here) that seemed out of place (untrue) was his comment blaming the world's current problems on Islam. ::)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Branden

Nathaniel Branden, né Nathan Blumenthal (born 9 April 1930 in Brampton, Ontario, Canada), is a psychotherapist and writer best known today for his work in the psychology of self-esteem from a humanistic perspective (see self-esteem in humanistic psychology). A former student and one-time romantic partner of novelist Ayn Rand, Branden had a prominent role in promoting Rand's philosophy, Objectivism.

Nathaniel Branden on the Atlas Shrugged Movie and His Own Life's Legacy as Ayn Rand's Primary Exponent (http://www.thedailybell.com/2238/Anthony-Wile-with-Nathaniel-Branden-on-the-Atlas-Shrugged-Movie-and-His-Own-Lifes-Legacy-as-Ayn-Rands-Primary-Exponent.html)
Sunday, May 08, 2011 – with Anthony Wile

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Nathaniel Branden

...Daily Bell: Why the resurgence of interest in Ayn Rand and Atlas Shrugged?

Nathaniel Branden: Well the book was originally published in 1957 and received largely negative reviews. It took a few years to catch on but once it did it sold consistently for 60 years. I remember being in Aspen skiing about 30 years ago and seeing numerous copies of her books in the bookstore window.

I decided to go in and the clerk began telling me that all the 18 and 19 year old kids were buying the books. A new generation was about to discover Ayn Rand he said. It has continued to sell consistently each year, about 80,000 – 100,000 copies. That is unrelated but is quite marvelous to realize the explosion of interest in her work that is worldwide and it appears to happen every 30 years or so. India has a huge following of Ayn Rand right now and I find that to be pretty amazing.

The world is falling apart, we are much more aware of the corruption of our political leaders, and the world is looking more and more the way it did to Ayn Rand in Atlas Shrugged. She seems to be one who understood this. All the madcap ideas that are coming out of Washington, DC, 30 years ago, Ayn was writing about this, and arguing that it was an absurd exaggeration and it couldn't possibly happen in America. And now here we are matching, irrationality for irrationality. Matching what an author gives you and what a world like Atlas Shrugged would look like.

This is the time when people are looking for explanations. How did we get this way? Why are we so susceptible to political ideas that have proven to be a disaster to the health and wealth of society? People are looking for answers and when there is too much government intervention they look to raise the human spirit. That provides the resurgence of Atlas Shrugged.

Daily Bell: What is the most important of her ideas in your opinion?

Nathaniel Brandon: That human beings have a right to exist. They have a right to freedom. They do not belong to the government. These are all very liberating statements and that is the main message from her work. She also raises very important questions that are foundational. She asks, Why do we need ethics?? That is key because you have to come to that conclusion for yourself. Life on all levels is full of challenges, and you are not born with the knowledge of what is best. You need to look at principals and how they relate to all parts of your life because without it you are susceptible to people with very vicious ideas.

Daily Bell: What was Ayn Rand's rational code of morality?

Nathaniel Brandon: Before you tell people what they should and shouldn't do, you have to have reasons why. What furthers human life? It has to do with what our positions are. She viewed rationality as the primary virtue. It involves full focus, constant expansion of one's knowledge and commitment to reality.

She felt each person's moral obligation is to attain his own moral well-being. Values are thus at the root of morality. Proper moral norms are determined by human nature. Rand's ethical egoism sees naturalism as leading to facts that become the basis for objective judgments of value. You have to understand the cause and effect relationships between your actions. Moral principals, as your guides are defined in relationships that make them essential. To flourish, a person must act in accordance and practice a systematic code.

Daily Bell: Explain why rational self-interest vs altruism is so important.

Nathaniel Branden: You have to understand what altruism is and needs. The term was coined in the 19th century by Auguste Comte, and it means "others above self." Altruism is to sacrifice and means insubordination of the individuals for the group, it meant it was morality superior in virtue of the fact that their primary goal was to service the state or the monarchy or the union or god knows what.

You will find it with Stalin, you will find it in any number of dictators and if you want power over people, it's a very useful concept to have. A lot of intellectuals who live in the world are surprisingly on the side of the "others" in this negative sense. I think they had this sneaking idea that it would work because they would be on the side of the good guys. It's the opposite of egoism.

You feel a moral obligation to live for the sake of others. Rational self-interest holds reason, purpose and self-esteem as supreme. You have a responsibility to yourself first to survive. To remain alive you must act and before you can act you must know the nature, and purpose of your actions. If you are living for others and not putting yourself first, that is altruism. Ayn did not use negative connotations, which are usually used for selfishness or self-interest.

Daily Bell: Did you know Alan Greenspan? What did you think of him?

Nathaniel Branden: Yes, I knew him; he was part of Ayn Rand's circle. We used to meet Saturday night as friends and were champions of Ayn Rand's work. He was around when Atlas Shrugged was being written. He educated me in economics. I liked him very much and a good deal more than Ayn did. There were reasons she didn't like some of his ideas. He was a Keynesian economically. At the time he was a supporter of a then fashionable philosophy called "logical positivism," which meant, you can't be certain of nothing. You can know nothing for sure and you can't be certain you even existed.

He and I had numerous conversations. Ayn thought this all quite mad and why would I waste my time. I don't know what happened to him the past few years but his performance has been disappointing. He disappointed a lot of people who believed in him, but that was the transition of Alan Greenspan....

[MAGNES]

This theory is a crock of shit.

I was a big fan of Greenspan in the late '90's, big reader of " jewonomics " , Fortune, Businesweek, Forbes,
big fan of Buffet, Gates, etc . Steve Forbes, one of the biggest liars and swindlers on economics, inflation,
and gold, blatant lies nobody understands till later. Forbes was very influential lying and covering for FED.

Greenspan is the biggest engineer of all the bubbles, the greatest responsibility rests with him, for one,
the FED and JPMChase openly promoted ARMS to illegals, 5 million of them, to inflate knowing
what is coming.

Greenspan may know what is right but they do not do what is right, everything is a swindle,
they do what Jews are commanded to do by their rabbis. Destroy the " goyim " .

Jews will rewrite their history, they will paint themselves as saviors and victims, like past swindles.