Where do you put your money on lock down? Where no one can touch it?

[General of Darkness]

What is the protocol? How the fuck to I take my money put it somewhere and have access to it?

[Gaillo]

How much fucking money are we talking about?

[General of Darkness]

How much f*cking money are we talking about?


None of your business fucker. ;D Let's say a mill.

[StreetsOfGold]

Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
Matthew 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

[FunnyMoney]

I had a very long post over at GIM1 that spoke to just this subject. I went through a list of options as well as measures to fool would be robbers.

It was quite a long time ago and well GIM1 info is either completely lost or difficult to extract now.


But it starts with gold and silver and from there a touch of platinum can't hurt. Also, multiple locations and multiple layers of protection were used.

I remember one of the ideas was to have at least one safe containing some cash and with fake gold coins and very nice costume jewelry to be used as mis-direction in case of an invasion or a hold up situation.

[Dogman]

Had a friend that had a couple of belts made and hat bands that used gold coins as conchos and the gold was painted with epoxy based paint so the gold color was hidden. He flew overseas all the time and I do not think anyone ever caught on to it.

[General of Darkness]

Had a friend that had a couple of belts made and hat bands that used gold coins as conchos and the gold was painted with epoxy based paint so the gold color was hidden. He flew overseas all the time and I do not think anyone ever caught on to it.


WTF are you talking about? Bands, and Hats. This money that I'm refereing too has had the taxes stolen. This money is MY money. How do I keep it?

[Gaillo]

Invest in your future... get the hell out of California!

[General of Darkness]

Invest in your future... get the hell out of California!


You got NO idea how that's so truthful.

If I sold my house tomorrow, how do I keep the profits?

Pretty simple question.

[palani]

If I sold my house tomorrow, how do I keep the profits?

Deposit the check endorsed on the back "DEPOSIT PER 12 USC 411".

[7th trump]

If I sold my house tomorrow, how do I keep the profits?

Deposit the check endorsed on the back "DEPOSIT PER 12 USC 411".

And again do you care to enlighten those on what 12USC 411 is and about or just do it because you say to?
I know you dont endorse your checks that way so why should General?

Heres something for you Palani.

"Social Security is a voluntary system in that no one is required to get a number ... a person with no Social Security number would have no taxable income." - Penny Payton, Social Security Administration Claims Representative, letter dated January 10, 1986

[palani]

And again do you care to enlighten those on what 12USC 411 is and about or just do it because you say to?
As this is a DISCUSSION group would you care to DISCUSS? This is also the internet and all one has to do is type '12 usc 411' into any search engine and find out. That includes you.


I know you dont endorse your checks that way so why should General? As a matter of fact I do endorse checks this way. The tellers haven't bothered to object so far and I generally keep a copy of the front and back of each check.


"Social Security is a voluntary system in that no one is required to get a number ... a person with no Social Security number would have no taxable income." - Penny Payton, Social Security Administration Claims Representative, letter dated January 10, 1986 Why would you PRESUME that a social security CLAIMS REP would speak for the great and powerful IRS?

[Liquid]

General, the best place to invest your money is in a boat.

Answer is simple, go buy a damn boat! ;D

[Bullion_Bob]

The Christopher Walkens watch bit comes to mind.

If it ever comes down to that...all I can say is I hope you're move leveraged towards gold over silver.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kngBtoylIVM

http://i56.tinypic.com/16honqu.gif

[Dogman]

General, the best place to invest your money is in a boat.

Answer is simple, go buy a damn boat! ;D


And also take up scuba diving as a hobby. ;)

[Liquid]

And also take up scuba diving as a hobby. ;)


And, underwater metal detecting. ;D

Actually, I was half serious about the boat. :) Having a boat ready to go, stocked full of preps, can be a great bug-out tool.

1) a good boat will take you anywhere in the world, you want to go. If you sail it, no fuel!

2) .gov isn't going to stop you on the high seas, it's truly the last frontier.

3) if tshtf, you can literally disappear. I've got an uninhabited island picked out, just in case.

4) the ocean is full of fish. Almost an endless food supply there. You can live a long time on fish and rice.

[Brent]

Put it into gold and silver (I am assuming more gold than silver consider how much you make).

Then hide it somewhere that only you and one other trusted person knows about (Best bet would be your most trusted family member).

The key part is hiding it well and having that one trusted person.

At least thats what I would do if I had any money ;D

[old steel]

What is the protocol? How the f*ck to I take my money put it somewhere and have access to it?


I still have some room in the gun safe if not we'll make it fit. ;D

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

There are no simple solutions to this question. If you keep your portable wealth in the home you risk losing it. If you keep your portable wealth in a safe deposit box you also risk losing it, because it is not officially accounted for. My conclusion for large sums is the Swiss banking system. I'm looking into this currently.

[gunDriller]

i think one approach is sort of an "MX missile" type approach.

the MX missile system was a Cold War fantasy that involved putting real & decoy ICBM's on railroad cars and moving them around the country, so that no outsider could know where the missiles are. i.e. no "enemy country" (as defined by the US gov) could successfully attack the missiles.

applied to PM storage (aka, "PMS"), the technique would mean having several safes & safe equivalents, then shuttling holdings between safe locations in a semi-random manner. the goal being to completely frustrate any would be robber intent on a smash-and-grab, whether they work for the US gov. or are a garden variety burglar.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Here's what I found on the subject that was brought up by palani:


The key to all this is 12 USC 411, which declares that Federal Reserve notes shall be redeemed in lawful money at any Federal Reserve bank. Lawful money is defined as all the coins, notes, bills, bonds and securities of the United States: 'Julliard v. Greenman' 110 U.S. 421, 448 (1884); whereas public money is the lawful money declared by Congress as a legal tender for debts (31 USC 5103); 524 F.2d 629 (1974).

Anyone can present Federal Reserve notes to any Federal Reserve bank and demand redemption in public money -- i.e., legal tender United States notes and coins. A Federal Reserve note is a fixed obligation or evidence of indebtedness which pledges redemption (12 USC 411) in public money to the note holder.

The Fed maintains a ready supply of United States notes in hundred dollar denominations for redemption purposes should it be required, and coins are available to satisfy claims for smaller amounts. However, should the general public decide to redeem large amounts of private credit for public money, a financial melt-down within the Fed would quickly occur.

The process works like this. Suppose $1000 in Federal Reserve notes are presented for redemption in public money. To raise $1000 in public money the Fed must surrender U.S. Bonds in that amount to the Treasury in exchange for the public money demanded (assuming that the Fed had no public money on hand). In so doing $1000 of the National Debt would be paid off by the Fed and thus canceled.

Can you imagine the result if large amounts of Federal Reserve notes were redeemed on a regular, ongoing basis? Private credit would be withdrawn from circulation and replaced with public money, and with each turning of the screw the Fed would be obliged to pay off more of the National Debt. Should the Fed refuse to redeem its notes in public money, then the fiction that private credit is used voluntarily would become unsustainable.

If the use of private credit becomes compulsory, then the obligation to make a return of income is voided.

If the Fed is under no obligation to redeem its notes, then no one has an obligation to make a return of income.

It is that simple! Federal Reserve notes are not money and cannot be tendered when money is demanded: 105 So. 305 (1925). Moreover, the Ninth Circuit rejected the argument that a $50 Federal Reserve note be redeemed in gold or silver coin after specie coinage had been rescinded but upheld the right of the note holder to redeem his note in current public money (31 USC 392; rev., 5103): 524 F.2d 629 (1974); 12 USC 411.

It would be advantageous to close out all bank accounts, acquire a home safe, settle all debts in cash with public money and use U.S. postal money orders for remittances. Whenever a check is received, present it to the bank of issue and demand cash in public money. This will place banks in a vulnerable position, forcing them to draw off their assets. Through their insatiable greed, bankers have over extended, making banks quite illiquid.

Should the people suddenly demand public money for their deposits and for checks received, many banks will collapse and be foreclosed by those demanding public money. Banks by their very nature are citadels of usury and sin, and the most patriotic service one could perform is to obligate bankers to redeem private credit.

When the first Federal Reserve note is presented to the Fed for redemption, the process of ousting the private credit system will commence and will not end until the Fed and the banking system nurtured by it collapse. Coins comprise less than five percent of the currency, and current law limits the amount of United States notes in circulation to $300 million (31 USC 5115).

The private credit system is exceedingly over extended compared with the supply of public money, and a small minority working in concert can easily collapse the private credit system and oust the Fed by demanding redemption of private credit. If the Fed disappeared tomorrow, income taxes on wages and salaries would vanish with it. Moreover, the States are precluded from taxing United States notes: 4 Wheat. 316.

According to Bouvier, public money is the money which Congress can tax for public purposes mandated by the Constitution. Private credit when collected in revenue can fund programs and be spent for purposes not cognizable by the Constitution.

We have in effect two competing governments: the United States Government and the Federal Government. The first is the government of the people, whereas the Federal Government is founded upon private law and funded by private credit.

What we really have is private government. Federal agencies and activities funded by the private credit system include Social Security, bail out loans to bankers via the IMF, bail out loans to Chrysler, loans to students, FDIC, FBI, supporting the U.N., foreign aid, funding undeclared wars, etc., all of which would be unsustainable if funded by taxes raised pursuant to the Constitution.

The personal income tax is not a true tax but rather an obligation or burden which is voluntarily assumed, since revenue is raised through voluntary contributions and can be spent for purposes unknown to the Constitution.

Notice how the IRS declares in its publications that everyone is expected to contribute his fair share. True taxes must be spent for public purposes which the Constitution recognizes. Taxation for the purpose of giving or loaning money to private business enterprises and individuals is illegal: 15 Am.Rep. 39; Cooley, 'Prin. Const. Law', ch. IV.

Revenue derived from the federal income tax goes into a private slush fund raised from voluntary contributions, and Congress is not restricted by the Constitution when spending or disbursing the proceeds from this private fund.

It is incorrect to say that the personal federal income tax is unconstitutional, since the tax code is private law and resides outside the Constitution.

The Internal Revenue Code is non-constitutional because it enforces an obligation which is voluntarily incurred through an act of the individual who binds himself. Fighting the Internal Revenue Code on constitutional grounds is wasted energy.

The way to bring it all down is to attack the Federal Reserve System and its banking cohorts by demanding that private credit be redeemed, or by convincing Congress to abolish the Fed.

Never forget that private credit is funding the destruction of our country.

[palani]

Here is another

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:xvvjR53d9l0J:freedom-school.com/tax-matters/the-commercial-credit-system.pdf+The+key+to+all+this+is+12+USC+411,+whic h+declares+that+Federal+Reserve+notes+shall+be+red eemed+in+lawful+money+at+any+Federal+Reserve+bank.&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjGch6DvscTc4_tQKS_7sFR8GLgFZdaLqojeFI1 armaNiV5m70GSbM5cGWqyOv8C5lq4-WpMxPnBHcoc7N3AAE6sRcw_cKEsb3hqk4X3UrGWfqiicOJK4HP 6DXRaWV3DwZyCphu&sig=AHIEtbRreyuGJFY3vQJo6Z2FF2Gq8oqdog

U.S. mint coins might not be composed of PMs these days but they do not bear the inscription of the Federal Reserve and there should be no private interest charged (income tax) on the use of them.

[Twisted Titan]

There are no simple solutions to this question. If you keep your portable wealth in the home you risk losing it. If you keep your portable wealth in a safe deposit box you also risk losing it, because it is not officially accounted for. My conclusion for large sums is the Swiss banking system. I'm looking into this currently.





That is a very secure move..........


http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2009/0819/p06s05-woeu.html

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

There are no simple solutions to this question. If you keep your portable wealth in the home you risk losing it. If you keep your portable wealth in a safe deposit box you also risk losing it, because it is not officially accounted for. My conclusion for large sums is the Swiss banking system. I'm looking into this currently.





That is a very secure move..........


http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2009/0819/p06s05-woeu.html



Please. You have changed the original question entirely. If you are hiding from the IRS then no, a Swiss Account is not safe. A Swiss Account is relatively safe from political malfeasance engineered by these sovietized United States, much more so than hiding it in your walls. You fellas keeping your entire life savings in hidey holes on your properties are vulnerable to a variety of forms of loss, especially if you are a pro-White dissident.

[learn2swim]

There are no simple solutions to this question. If you keep your portable wealth in the home you risk losing it. If you keep your portable wealth in a safe deposit box you also risk losing it, because it is not officially accounted for. My conclusion for large sums is the Swiss banking system. I'm looking into this currently.


Go with the Swiss private banks ----if you have the money. UBS and other corporate banks are under pressure. Nobody messes with the private banks, they're not corporate or international, it's kept secret.

[Sparky]

...
applied to PM storage (aka, "PMS"), the technique would mean having several safes & safe equivalents, then shuttling holdings between safe locations in a semi-random manner. the goal being to completely frustrate any would be robber intent on a smash-and-grab, whether they work for the US gov. or are a garden variety burglar.


Why do you have to shuttle holdings between safe locations? I don't see how that helps, unless you think your actions are being intermittently monitored.

[chad]

swiss quote

[osoab]

Crotch It.

[vacuum]

Isn't the Arab banking system pretty anonymous? From what I understand you show up, make a deposit, then get a number. Anyone who shows up at the bank and presents that number can withdraw the money.