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RJB
11th October 2010, 05:09 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/10/us/10pot.html?_r=2&hpw

Marijuana, Once Divisive, Brings Some Families CloserBy JOHN LELAND
To the rites of middle-age passage, some families are adding another: buying marijuana for aging parents.

Bryan, 46, a writer who lives in Illinois, began supplying his parents about five years ago, after he told them about his own marijuana use. When he was growing up, he said, his parents were very strict about illegal drugs.

“We would have grounded him,” said his mother, who is 72.

But with age and the growing acceptance of medical marijuana, his parents were curious. His father had a heart ailment, his mother had dizzy spells and nausea, and both were worried about Alzheimer’s disease and cancer. They looked at some research and decided marijuana was worth a try.

Bryan, who like others interviewed for this article declined to use his full name for legal reasons, began making them brownies and ginger snaps laced with the drug. Illinois does not allow medical use of marijuana, though 14 states and the District of Columbia do. At their age, his mother said, they were not concerned about it leading to harder drugs, which had been one of their worries with Bryan.

“We have concerns about the law, but I would not go back to not taking the cookie and going through what I went through,” she said, adding that her dizzy spells and nausea had receded. “Of course, if they catch me, I’ll have to quit taking it.”

This family’s story is still a rare one. Less than 1 percent of people 65 and over said they had smoked marijuana in the last year, according to a 2009 survey by the federal Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration. But as the generation that embraced marijuana as teenagers passes into middle age, doctors expect to see more marijuana use by their elderly patients.

“I think use of medical marijuana in older people is going to be much greater in the future,” said Dan G. Blazer, a professor of geriatric psychology at Duke University who has studied drug use and abuse among older people.

The rate for people ages 50 to 65 who said they smoke marijuana was nearly 4 percent — about six times as high as the 65-and-over crowd — suggesting that they were more likely to continue whatever patterns of drug use they had established in their younger years. In both age groups, the rate of marijuana abuse was very low, about 1 in 800.

Cannabinoids, the active agents in marijuana, have shown promise as pain relievers, especially for pain arising from nerve damage, said Dr. Seddon R. Savage, a pain specialist and president of the American Pain Society, a medical professionals’ group.

Two cannabinoid prescription drugs are approved for use in this country, but only to treat nausea or appetite loss. And while preliminary research suggests that cannabinoids may help in fighting cancer and reducing spasms in people with multiple sclerosis or Parkinson’s disease, the results have been mixed.

Dr. Savage said doctors should be concerned about older patients using marijuana. “It’s putting people at risk of falls, impaired cognition, impaired memory, loss of motor control,” she said. “Beside the legal aspects, it’s unsupervised use of a pretty potent drug. Under almost all circumstances, there are alternatives that are just as effective.”

Dr. Savage added, however, that there was a considerable range of opinions about marijuana use among pain specialists, and that many favored it.

Older people may face special risks with marijuana, in part because of the secrecy that surrounds illegal drug use, said Dr. William Dale, section chief of geriatrics and palliative medicine at the University of Chicago Medical Center, who said he would not oppose a law allowing medical marijuana use in Illinois.

The drug raises users’ heart rates and lowers their blood pressure, so doctors needed to weigh its effects beside those of other medications that users might be taking, he said. But patients do not always confide their illegal drug use, he said.

“It’s a fine balance between being supportive of patients to gain their trust and giving them your best recommendations,” Dr. Dale said. “I wasn’t taught this in medical school.”

For some families, marijuana, which was once the root of all their battles, has brought them closer together. Instead of parental warnings and punishment, there are questions about how to light a water pipe; instead of the Grateful Dead, there are recipes for low-sodium brownies.

But for parents, there is also the knowledge that they are putting their children at risk of arrest.

“I was very uncomfortable getting my son involved,” said the father of Alex, 21. The father, who is 54, started using marijuana to relieve his pain from degenerative disc disease. He soon discovered that Alex, who lives in Minnesota a few miles away, had access to better marijuana than he did.

Alex’s father had smoked marijuana when he was younger; Alex, by contrast, had been active in antidrug groups at his school and church. In college, he started smoking infrequently and studying marijuana’s medicinal properties.

“When he told me he was using cannabis, I think he expected it to be a bigger deal for me,” Alex said. “But it opened my eyes to what he was going through.”

Before trying marijuana, Alex’s father took OxyContin, a narcotic, which he said made him “feel like a zombie.” He also took antidepressants to relieve the mood disorder he associated with the OxyContin. Marijuana has helped him cut down on the painkillers, he said.

He and Alex have smoked together twice, but it is not a regular practice, both said. Yet they say the drug has strengthened their relationship.

“We spend our bonding time making brownies,” Alex said.

Florence, 89, an artist who lives in New York, smokes mainly for relief from her spinal stenosis — usually one or two puffs before going to sleep, she said. She buys her pipes through an online shop and gets her marijuana from her daughter, Loren, who is 65.

“A person brings it to me,” said Loren, who uses marijuana recreationally. “I’m not out on a street corner.” Florence said that she had told all of her doctors that she was using marijuana, and that none had ever discouraged her or warned of interactions with her prescription drugs, including painkillers.

“I think I’ve influenced my own physician on the subject,” she said. “She came to me and asked me for some for another patient.”

RJB
11th October 2010, 05:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXo_f7bo2I8 Just some mood music.

millwright
11th October 2010, 05:53 AM
Just spent the weekend with an entire family of pot smokers.

They tried to convince me that they were in the majority and i , a bourbon drinker was in the minority.

They are all quick to admonish drinkers as being dangerous and generally no fun to be around.

I found the whole experience quite enlightening.

I was feeling alive and well, and enjoying myself. They on the other hand were quiet and i got the impression as i always have, that dope fogs the brain and dulls the senses.

They were not laughing and having fun, I was. They were not willing to engage in meaningful conversation,I was.

You can have the mind numbing crap. Ill stick with the bourbon thanks.

sirgonzo420
11th October 2010, 05:59 AM
Just spent the weekend with an entire family of pot smokers.

They tried to convince me that they were in the majority and i , a bourbon drinker was in the minority.

They are all quick to admonish drinkers as being dangerous and generally no fun to be around.

I found the whole experience quite enlightening.

I was feeling alive and well, and enjoying myself. They on the other hand were quiet and i got the impression as i always have, that dope fogs the brain and dulls the senses.

They were not laughing and having fun, I was. They were not willing to engage in meaningful conversation,I was.

You can have the mind numbing crap. Ill stick with the bourbon thanks.


LOL if you really believe cannabis is more "mind-numbing" than alcohol.

Also, cannabis does not "dull the senses" or "fog the brain".

RJB
11th October 2010, 06:11 AM
Ill stick with the bourbon thanks.
That's about where I am. Marijuana just makes me sleepy. I stick with a bottle or 4 of my homebrewed beer.

But to be politically correct, some of my best friends are pot heads :)

millwright
11th October 2010, 06:12 AM
BULLSH*T !

These people actually had the audacity to tell me that smoking pot makes you laugh and gives you a sense of overall contentment.

These people weren't laughing,they were staring at the walls like a bunch of burnouts.

Don't get me wrong, i think it should be made legal starting yesterday. That being said, i don't need you or anyone else to tell me what i see with my own eyes.

I go hang out with a bunch of dope smokers and they are for the most part dulled to the point of being wall flowers. No laughter,no exitement no nothing.

I go to the bar or the casino and everyone is alive, smiling and generally having a blast.


Like i said, you can have that crap. Ill stick with the food.

osoab
11th October 2010, 06:26 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXo_f7bo2I8 Just some mood music.


I always like Bales of Cocaine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jX1b2Hes_Y

Plastic
11th October 2010, 07:12 AM
There are two types of cannabis, cannabis sativa and cannabis indica. Sativa gives you the lets go out and have fun, I can't stop laughing my ass off type mind rush high. The Indica gives you the where is my remote control and slice of pizza I can't feel my legs high. In other words Indica for pain, and Sativa for parties. It amazes me how many long time pot smokers don't even know this, alot just buy whatever they can get their hands on.

Plastic is a pot snob.

millwright
11th October 2010, 07:18 AM
There are two types of cannabis, cannabis sativa and cannabis indica. Sativa gives you the lets go out and have fun, I can't stop laughing my ass off type mind rush high. The Indica gives you the where is my remote control and slice of pizza I can't feel my legs high. In other words Indica for pain, and Sativa for parties. It amazes me how many long time pot smokers don't even know this, alot just buy whatever they can get their hands on.

Plastic is a pot snob.


I understand completely. The problem is, that most of what is out there is a blend of the two.

From time to time i have found it a pleasant experience to burn a bowl. Problem is, you never quite know what your gonna get.


When i crack open the Jim Beam i always know.Ill stick with the food.

Plastic
11th October 2010, 07:26 AM
Very true millwright, in the case of a mix of the two one just needs to harvest a week or two early. It can be, and usually is very hard finding a closet grower that can meet the needs, and it is usually expensive too.

Unless of course, you find one that hates the system so much that he hands it out for free. 8)

Heimdhal
11th October 2010, 08:35 AM
There are two types of cannabis, cannabis sativa and cannabis indica. Sativa gives you the lets go out and have fun, I can't stop laughing my ass off type mind rush high. The Indica gives you the where is my remote control and slice of pizza I can't feel my legs high. In other words Indica for pain, and Sativa for parties. It amazes me how many long time pot smokers don't even know this, alot just buy whatever they can get their hands on.

Plastic is a pot snob.


I smoke, rarley and only for chronic pain relief. I prefer the Indica, since I dont smoke to party. (Im not much of a party guy anyways, but I dont drink either, even when I do party, I can do it just fine sans any outside stimulants.) Ill have to try the other stuff sometime, as I dont think I've ever had it.


Weed makes my ADD go into hyper overdrive. It may look like Im sitting and starring at a wall, but my mind goes a million more miles an hour than usual. Problem is, I tend to forget what I jsut thought about a few minues after thinking about it, lol. So I personaly wouldnt say it dulls or fogs the mind, it just seems that way from the outside


Ive known lots of drinkers in my day and I'd say its an even split between those that it livens up and those that it depresses down. Ive had friends who could go all night and party and drink and have a blast and I've had others that just get real quiet and depressed and sulk in a corner. I guess everyone is different.

Ive been living in chronic, debilitating pain for nearly four years now (four years exactly on the 28th of this month) and I have been to a hundred doctors and pain clinics and taken dozens of Rx drugs and shots, etc and weed has been the single only thing that has ever given me even a modicum of relief. It at least allows me to fall asleep at night instead of staying up till 5 in the morning because the pain is unbearable. It allows my wife and I to be....personal....with one another, something that has suffered over the last four years because the pain is of a.....personal...nature.

I have to stop smoking now, becuase I drive for work and I get drug tested randomly and if I get in an accident or anything they do blood test immeditatley. Total BS that I now have to go back to chronic pain that leaves me damn near bed ridden or risk losing my job and only means of support for my family.

JDRock
11th October 2010, 08:51 AM
There are two types of cannabis, cannabis sativa and cannabis indica. Sativa gives you the lets go out and have fun, I can't stop laughing my ass off type mind rush high. The Indica gives you the where is my remote control and slice of pizza I can't feel my legs high. In other words Indica for pain, and Sativa for parties. It amazes me how many long time pot smokers don't even know this, alot just buy whatever they can get their hands on.

Plastic is a pot snob.


the potency has improved in the last 30 years, but where is the TASTE?...i remember real acapulco golg...and panama red, the taste was something to savor, especially the red ;)....i wouldnt bother with this throat burning crap today.

RJB
11th October 2010, 09:15 AM
Thanks for the info on the species.

I think it also depends on the individual person as well. Alcohol mellows some people and enlivens others. Angers some, makes others laugh. Some of it depends on the spirits inbibed. Other times it seems to be the person.

Marijuana seems to do the same.

Plastic
11th October 2010, 09:37 AM
the potency has improved in the last 30 years, but where is the TASTE?...i remember real acapulco golg...and panama red, the taste was something to savor, especially the red ;)....i wouldnt bother with this throat burning crap today.




Without giving away my sources.... The throat burning aspect can be remedied by the hydro grower by finishing the last 10 days to two weeks by just using water without nutrients which forces to plant to use up it's internal nitrogen supply (this is the main cause of caughing/throat burning). Properly drying, curing and aging the plant before use is something else that helps (patience young grasshopper). I have had some stuff that was aged for a year in a mason jar kept in a temperature and light controlled room, it was smoother than a ciggy and wicked good. Most all commercial grass today is harvested, slightly dried (if at all) and sold without curing/aging and that is the main reason why it burns your throat, has no flavor and can even cause headaches.

Must find a true, long gray haired hippy for the best of the best when it comes to herb. :P

Heimdhal
11th October 2010, 09:58 AM
the potency has improved in the last 30 years, but where is the TASTE?...i remember real acapulco golg...and panama red, the taste was something to savor, especially the red ;)....i wouldnt bother with this throat burning crap today.




Without giving away my sources.... The throat burning aspect can be remedied by the hydro grower by finishing the last 10 days to two weeks by just using water without nutrients which forces to plant to use up it's internal nitrogen supply (this is the main cause of caughing/throat burning). Properly drying, curing and aging the plant before use is something else that helps (patience young grasshopper). I have had some stuff that was aged for a year in a mason jar kept in a temperature and light controlled room, it was smoother than a ciggy and wicked good. Most all commercial grass today is harvested, slightly dried (if at all) and sold without curing/aging and that is the main reason why it burns your throat, has no flavor and can even cause headaches.

Must find a true, long gray haired hippy for the best of the best when it comes to herb. :P


I do get some wicked headaches sometimes. I suppose thats why. Maybe I'll age the stuff myself for a while. I spend less than 20$ a month on the stuff though. Thanks for the advice and information.

TheNocturnalEgyptian
11th October 2010, 10:52 AM
http://i.imgur.com/L3pE2.png


Arg, this embedding restriction makes some pictures so worthless.

Here it is:

http://i.imgur.com/L3pE2.png

Half Sense
11th October 2010, 11:15 AM
I go to the bar or the casino and everyone is alive, smiling and generally having a blast.


Try spending a sober evening at the bar or casino. It might open your eyes a little.

RJB
11th October 2010, 11:18 AM
Try spending a sober evening at the bar or casino. It might open your eyes a little. I spent the night in a Las Vegas Casino hotel. I left the next day at 5 in the morning.

What an eye opener! Just rooms of souless people, mindlessly dropping coins in machines. I'll never go back to one.

Dogman
11th October 2010, 11:21 AM
Try spending a sober evening at the bar or casino. It might open your eyes a little. I spent the night in a Las Vegas Casino hotel. I left the next day at 5 in the morning.

What an eye opener! Just rooms of souless people, mindlessly dropping coins in machines. I'll never go back to one.


Have been to one and the noise of the slot machines is enough to drive you nuts and yes I was sober at the time. Will never go to one again also. Could not get that noise out of my head for hours after.

Gaillo
11th October 2010, 12:13 PM
EDIT: Removed Heimdhal's duplicate post.
-Gaillo

millwright
11th October 2010, 12:23 PM
Why would i do that?

In the good times my wife and would go to Vegas once a year. Great escape from reality.

As far as opening my eyes, i would say this. Im 44 freakin years old. My eyes are and have been wide open for many years.

As i said in my first post , i just spent the entire weekend with a large group of dope smokers. I did not partake , however i did throw back a few coctails. I had by far and away the best time of everyone present. When the host was finished making us a wonderful meal, I WAS THE ONLY ONE TO CONVEY MY HEARTFELT APPRECIATION AND THANKS!

WHY? Because i was the only one in my right mind thats why.

Look, im not opposed to people smoking dope. Live and let live. But don't tell me for one freakin minute that it does not change you . Im a grown ass freakin man. I know the truth when i see it.

Smoking dope is many different things to many different people. That being said, there is nothing healthy about it and it does not make you smarter,contrary to what the dope smokers will tell me.
I have no illusions about drinking.No it is not healthy,and no it does not make you smarter. It does however do a really great job of taking the worlds weight off of ones shoulder even if just for a little while.




I go to the bar or the casino and everyone is alive, smiling and generally having a blast.


Try spending a sober evening at the bar or casino. It might open your eyes a little.

millwright
11th October 2010, 12:27 PM
Try spending a sober evening at the bar or casino. It might open your eyes a little. I spent the night in a Las Vegas Casino hotel. I left the next day at 5 in the morning.

What an eye opener! Just rooms of souless people, mindlessly dropping coins in machines. I'll never go back to one.


Wouldn't know, never played the slots. I have however enjoyed countless hours playing craps and Pai Gow poker at the tables. Great time all around.Sometimes its okay to cut loose and have a good time. Thats why Vegas is there.

That being said, i would rather be 15 miles into the High Sierra with my dog then at a crowded casino.

Gaillo
11th October 2010, 01:01 PM
My take: if someone smokes dope, drinks, or uses any other mind-altering substance because they think they'll be a better person as a result, they are an idiot and a fool. Artificial joy, however, is often a decent substitute for the real thing... At least in the short-term. These substances are popular for one reason, and one reason only: THEY WORK, and they do so with ultimate reliability. Try saying that about most other products of our modern age! ;D

I drink, I enjoy drinking, and I feel no guilt about it. I don't think I'm a "better person", or even better off because of it... It's just like any other escapist entertainment to me. I am under NO illusion that I am in any way morally or medically superior to those who partake of illegal drugs, I did my share of those also in my youth and finally realized that I just didn't like the continual low-level paranoia that went along with illegal drug use. To be completely honest, Marijuana would probably be my "go-to" drug of choice if they were all legalized, with the occasional bottle of wine or Irish whisky if I wanted something stronger.

The "drug war" is a war on PEOPLE, and the sooner it ends, the better off everyone in this society will be.

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