G Edward Griffin on Chemtrails - Coast to Coast AM

[madfranks]

I can't believe I missed this show last night! I'm downloading it right now, will listen to it later.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2010/10/11

Investigative reporters and film producers G. Edward Griffin and Mike Murphy presented evidence and theories behind the phenomenon of chemtrails, which are said to be caused by chemical or biological agents deliberately sprayed into the atmosphere by planes. Griffin differentiated chemtrails from jet contrails, noting that contrails (condensation trails) dissipate quickly in the air, while chemtrails linger for some time.

The two pointed toward geoengineering (weather modification) as a rapidly developing industry that is experimenting with aerial spraying/chemtrails. Murphy cited the US Military's report Owning the Weather in 2025 (PDF file), and connected the spraying with massive amounts of aluminum, barium, and strontium found in snow, rain, and soil samples in places like Mount Shasta. For more on test results, he recommended the site geoengineeringwatch.org. He also talked about declining organic farming in Hawaii, and suggested that chemtrails might be damaging crops in order to force farmers to use GMO seeds.

In describing a plane's typical chemtrail mission, "we see them in the morning...going back and forth in the sky, and behind them we see the long trails that persist," said Murphy, who noted that this is a global operation that sometimes involves UN planes, and many different governments. They are traversing the sky where there are no regular flight patterns, Griffin added. The agenda of those using chemtrails likely extends beyond weather modification, and may involve population control experiments, Murphy said.

[PatColo]

Thanks for the FYI, I missed it too! I don't routinely follow C2C's schedule though. I find the live show tough listening, with those shrill, marathon commercial breaks-- but commercial-free mp3s are worthwhile. You didn't mention where you're downloading from, but I don't have a d/l source. Would you mind uploading it to one of the fileshare sites when you get the mp3 file, and sharing? thx!

[osoab]

I use KSFO's archives to listen to past shows. Only there for 7 days.

http://www.ksfo.com/Article.asp?id=534876

Last nights show starts @ 10:00 pm

You can save these as mp3's

Edit. Starts in the 2nd hour 11:00-12:00 Monday on KSFO's site

[madfranks]

Thanks for the FYI, I missed it too! I don't routinely follow C2C's schedule though. I find the live show tough listening, with those shrill, marathon commercial breaks-- but commercial-free mp3s are worthwhile. You didn't mention where you're downloading from, but I don't have a d/l source. Would you mind uploading it to one of the fileshare sites when you get the mp3 file, and sharing? thx!


I'm a paid subscriber so I can download them straight from the C2C site. Here are the mp3s of the show (I left the first hour out because it's just news and other things):

http://www.sendspace.com/file/j17axl

[PatColo]

tanks franks! :)

11 min trailer,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te_FOsKL_5Q

related articles,
What In The World Are They Spraying? (http://www.countercurrents.org/murphy030310.htm)

What In The World Are They Spraying? Part II (http://www.countercurrents.org/murphy240310.htm)

my thread, Chemtrails, Morgellons Syndrome, primer & latest news (http://gold-silver.us/forum/conspiracy-theories/chemtrails-morgellons-syndrome-primer-latest-news/msg5320/#msg5320)

[steyr_m]

First off, I have to admit I haven't read much about chemtrails much to make an informed opinion. Second, I work in the aviation industry.

I think chemtrails are a bit too much of a "tin-foil hat" issue for me. I remember looking at contrails as a kid in the 70's. It seems like they hang around for about the same time. If they do stay around longer, what has changed? One, planes fly higher than they do than they used to (this saves lots of money). Two, they are lots of additives added to jet fuel: anti-organism, anti-icing, and anti-static agents, for example. The additives put in there are always changing and could have a different effect when burned.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

First off, I have to admit I haven't read much about chemtrails much to make an informed opinion. Second, I work in the aviation industry.

I think chemtrails are a bit too much of a "tin-foil hat" issue for me. I remember looking at contrails as a kid in the 70's. It seems like they hang around for about the same time. If they do stay around longer, what has changed? One, planes fly higher than they do than they used to (this saves lots of money). Two, they are lots of additives added to jet fuel: anti-organism, anti-icing, and anti-static agents, for example. The additives put in there are always changing and could have a different effect when burned.


Is it normal for contrails to hang around for several hours?

The ones I remember always dispersed in minutes.

[madfranks]

First off, I have to admit I haven't read much about chemtrails much to make an informed opinion. Second, I work in the aviation industry.

I think chemtrails are a bit too much of a "tin-foil hat" issue for me. I remember looking at contrails as a kid in the 70's. It seems like they hang around for about the same time. If they do stay around longer, what has changed? One, planes fly higher than they do than they used to (this saves lots of money). Two, they are lots of additives added to jet fuel: anti-organism, anti-icing, and anti-static agents, for example. The additives put in there are always changing and could have a different effect when burned.


Is it normal for contrails to hang around for several hours?

The ones I remember always dispersed in minutes.


Contrails still do disappear within minutes - sometimes when you watch a plane emitting a contrail, the tail end of it disperses not too far behind the plane; you can watch the entire plane and trail move across the sky. But there are others that not only hang around the sky, they start growing and begin looking like clouds. Three main things convince me they are sinister in nature:

1 - Agencies publicly stating that we can and should geoengineer the sky to fight global warming through emitting clouds of barium and aluminum to reflect sunlight back into the sky

2 - Monsanto patenting and marketing aluminum resistant seeds

3 - independent testing of soil showing aluminum and barium

I don't think these are coincidental.

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

First off, I have to admit I haven't read much about chemtrails much to make an informed opinion. Second, I work in the aviation industry.

I think chemtrails are a bit too much of a "tin-foil hat" issue for me. I remember looking at contrails as a kid in the 70's. It seems like they hang around for about the same time. If they do stay around longer, what has changed? One, planes fly higher than they do than they used to (this saves lots of money). Two, they are lots of additives added to jet fuel: anti-organism, anti-icing, and anti-static agents, for example. The additives put in there are always changing and could have a different effect when burned.



I've noticed a trend where the persistent contrails are being turned on and off over a certain area rather than the whole swath of sky. This along with planes that make U turns to come back the other way rather than going to a specific destination.

Plenty of evidence exists that suggests barium and aluminum consistently found in samples of fallen chemtrails.

[madfranks]

I've noticed a trend where the persistent contrails are being turned on and off over a certain area rather than the whole swath of sky. This along with planes that make U turns to come back the other way rather than going to a specific destination.

Plenty of evidence exists that suggests barium and aluminum consistently found in samples of fallen chemtrails.




http://api.ning.com/files/QZ7bK*jkmPvmNjsTWLHvcAgBOIy50VMIbUhgtNyq7DrArUwN3p Z*ehSDPpsomL92lbvw3pnHuQXEG22ba-h35fHy5DIoM0In/chemtrails1.jpg

[jbeck57143]

This is from:

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/msg19092.html

Arizona Doctor Speaks Out Against Chemtrails Mon Mar 03, 2003 12:40 am



This letter is from Dr. J. Michael Pece who I talked to on the 8/24/02 and who is a heck of a nice guy The bolded test is my emphasis. These facts Dr. Mike talks about here are - please note - documented chemspray related illness and effect. Documented by a doctor and lab reports. I am in awe that Dr. Mike has the guts to come forward with this, and what impressed me was why. Not for attention. Not to sell books or some personal cure. Only because he is stunned that this is going on and that it is making people very ill. And he would like to know what the hell is going on. Imagine if more doctors had the balls to help find the facts and ask questions..and why aren't they? . 8-24-02

"I don't know what is going on, but the government has been going crazy with their aerial chemical spraying over Arizona the last few days.


I went to visit some patients yesterday in Prescott and between Phoenix and Prescott the sky was simply obliviated with chem trails. The spraying continued into the night. There were four and five parallel lines in the sky at various times which spread out into the hazy clouds with which we are all familiar. The trails criss-crossed and continued all morning and afternoon. I pointed the sky out to my patients. As a doctor, I am ensuring that I educate each of my patients about what is happening. Someone must teach the public about what appears to be happening. We've got to stop this madness. Once again, we in Arizona, missed our monsoon season. This is the two month period when we receive most of our rain. Apparently the Barium chemical removed the moisture from our atmosphere and we did not received any significant rain. Our drought continues. Those who plan these chemical activities must be proud of their accomplishments and must be high fiving each other over their "success".

I am noticing my patients are coming in with frequent headaches, sinus congestion, asthma and ear infections in recent days/weeks. I attribute this to the allergic reactions to the chemicals which our government is spraying in OUR air! I have noticed that the "hair analysis" labs which I run on some of my patients all are indicating HIGH levels of Barium. My own hair analysis indicated high Barium levels. I am pretty familiar with diet and nutrition and quite honestly cannot think of any food that contain significant levels of Barium...Barium is not known to be absorbable in any significant degree. For this reason radiologists use barium for colonoscopy's and other GI scans. Yet, we seem to have high levels of barium in our hair which means either barium is being stored from digestion or the hair is being contaminated by an outside source. I am quite concerned with this violation of our environment by a government that denies it is occurring, yet a person can step outside and watch our tax dollars at work.

I am also angry that our Senators have no concern for us. I called Senator John McCain and Sen Jon Kyl to discuss this. Sen. McCain's office did not have the decency to even return my call; Sen Kyle had an assistant call me and he spouted the party line that all I was experiencing was CON-TRAILS. Sorry, guys these are NOT contrails.

I haven't seen many articles on chemtrails lately and I am hoping those that are aware do not let this poisoning of our sky, and control of our weather be forgotten. I feel this is what the government wants. If they ignore those of us who are trying to raise awareness of this activity long enough, our citizens-with our general attention span of approximately 15 minutes- will forget about chemtrails and the government/military can continue with their experiments on us.

Please keep up the publicizing. Somehow, we must wake the public up, get them to look up in the sky and realize these are NOT contrails!!!"

(Thanks, Doc!)


......and it just so happens, someout out in Arizona was watching the sky on the very same day
that Dr. Mike got fed up enough to finally say something about.
Sid wrote to me about it and took a photo ...

to Sid's story Back to chemtrail page

[Joe King]

First off, I have to admit I haven't read much about chemtrails much to make an informed opinion. Second, I work in the aviation industry.

I think chemtrails are a bit too much of a "tin-foil hat" issue for me. I remember looking at contrails as a kid in the 70's. It seems like they hang around for about the same time. If they do stay around longer, what has changed? One, planes fly higher than they do than they used to (this saves lots of money). Two, they are lots of additives added to jet fuel: anti-organism, anti-icing, and anti-static agents, for example. The additives put in there are always changing and could have a different effect when burned.


Is it normal for contrails to hang around for several hours?

The ones I remember always dispersed in minutes.


Contrails still do disappear within minutes - sometimes when you watch a plane emitting a contrail, the tail end of it disperses not too far behind the plane; you can watch the entire plane and trail move across the sky. But there are others that not only hang around the sky, they start growing and begin looking like clouds. Three main things convince me they are sinister in nature:

1 - Agencies publicly stating that we can and should geoengineer the sky to fight global warming through emitting clouds of barium and aluminum to reflect sunlight back into the sky

2 - Monsanto patenting and marketing aluminum resistant seeds

3 - independent testing of soil showing aluminum and barium

I don't think these are coincidental.


While the points you put forth are valid, how do you prove a cause and effect?

I read about how the "trails" stay up there and spread out forming clouds, but on the other hand people are saying that what is being "sprayed" decends to the ground. Which is it?
These "trails" that I've seen never seem to decend to ground level, so how does the stuff get down to ground level?

Does it separate at some point into stuff you can see and stuff that you can't see as a portion of whatever it is, decends?

If so, what's the point of adding it to stuff that comes out looking like clouds and just hangs up there at 30-40k feet?

How can it be shown that the alluminum and barrium in a soil sample didn't come from another source?

Until those "trails" are actually sampled, at altitude, there's no way to tell for sure what's in them other than to speculate. Which is to waste time.
i.e. after all these years of this, you'd sure think someone would have had access to a plane in order to be able to go get a sample. But apparently not.

BTW, I'm not doubting that it's totally within the realm of possibility for the gov to spray sh!t in the air, but we need proof.