Jesse's still at it

[EE_]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHgfRvy7T4A&feature=player_embedded

[willie pete]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo

[FunnyMoney]

He's going on about tower #7 and how it fell down at free fall speed on 911. He is convinced the buildings came down because of CD and said he's been looking into the facts surrounding 911 for over 3 years now. I was convinced long before he was, but then again I've never been a gov. of a state.

[willie pete]

^^^ I'm still not convinced :D

[General of Darkness]

^^^ I'm still not convinced :D


You're not convinced of what? The .gov story, or a factually one.

[willie pete]

that 7 had been wired to implode.....I know, I know...that's what it looked like....and the first thing you hear is: "it wasn't hit by a plane"....no it wasn't....but it was damaged a lot and several floors burned all that day

[midnight rambler]

that 7 had been wired to implode.....I know, I know...that's what it looked like....and the first thing you hear is: "it wasn't hit by a plane"....no it wasn't....but it was damaged a lot and several floors burned all that day


The indisputable fact of the matter is that WTC 7 was an asymmetrical structure with asymmetrical damage which fell symmetrically into it's own footprint at freefall speed. That just doesn't happen without being engineered.

Note this structural detail in particular.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/Wtc7_transfer_trusses.png/800px-Wtc7_transfer_trusses.png

Then there's this.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Wtc7_collapse_progression.png/800px-Wtc7_collapse_progression.png

Don't be a moron.

[FunnyMoney]

that 7 had been wired to implode.....I know, I know...that's what it looked like....and the first thing you hear is: "it wasn't hit by a plane"....no it wasn't....but it was damaged a lot and several floors burned all that day



And what fire, you can hardly see any fire. There was a similar sized building in Asia which burned all day and night and looked like a roman candle the whole time. When the fire finally burned out much of the steel frame was still completely intact.

Even if it was "damaged a lot" which can't be seen and even if "several floors burned" which also can't be seen, it would still not cause the other 47 stories to collapse at free fall speed.

The anology for tower #7 is like taking a chain saw to the bottom of a very tall tree. Then after chopping out a piece of the trunk, the rest of the tree implodes straight down into itself turning the entire thing into a pile of wood chips and sawdust.
If you're still not convinced then I suggest you take a high school physics class and after that we'll talk.

[willie pete]

that 7 had been wired to implode.....I know, I know...that's what it looked like....and the first thing you hear is: "it wasn't hit by a plane"....no it wasn't....but it was damaged a lot and several floors burned all that day


The indisputable fact of the matter is that WTC 7 was an asymmetrical structure with asymmetrical damage which fell symmetrically into it's own footprint at freefall speed. That just doesn't happen without being engineered.

Note this structural detail in particular.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/Wtc7_transfer_trusses.png/800px-Wtc7_transfer_trusses.png

Then there's this.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Wtc7_collapse_progression.png/800px-Wtc7_collapse_progression.png

Don't be a moron.




"indisputable fact ?" ...you're sure of yourself huh shiela? :D "which fell symmetrically into it's own footprint " ...wrong....all the vids I've seen don't show a symmetrical collapse..the portion directly above the damaged area starts to collapse first, which then causes a cascading affect that ends up bringing down the remaining structure

[willie pete]

that 7 had been wired to implode.....I know, I know...that's what it looked like....and the first thing you hear is: "it wasn't hit by a plane"....no it wasn't....but it was damaged a lot and several floors burned all that day



And what fire, you can hardly see any fire. There was a similar sized building in Asia which burned all day and night and looked like a roman candle the whole time. When the fire finally burned out much of the steel frame was still completely intact.

Even if it was "damaged a lot" which can't be seen and even if "several floors burned" which also can't be seen, it would still not cause the other 47 stories to collapse at free fall speed.

The anology for tower #7 is like taking a chain saw to the bottom of a very tall tree. Then after chopping out a piece of the trunk, the rest of the tree implodes straight down into itself turning the entire thing into a pile of wood chips and sawdust.
If you're still not convinced then I suggest you take a high school physics class and after that we'll talk.



maybe you missed the vids I saw, several vids showing fires over several floors...go back and look ;D don't know about your bldg in asia, was it damaged from falling debris? steel Frame huh? I'd have to totally disagree with your tree analogy too, that's not a relative analogy; a tall tree and wtc7? nah....maybe ONE column from wtc7, ......I don't need or want your suggestions, you go back and take a HS physics class :D

[FunnyMoney]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3762231166802308548&q=911+Eyewitness#





At 24:20 to 24:50 into the video you can clearly see with your own eyes the massive lean over of the top portion of the south tower.

If the building was falling from the middle-upper floors into the lower floors then the laws of physics would prevent the upper portion from continuing directly straight down even with the slightest lean and as you can see the lean is extensive. The path of least resistance would be to continue to fall outward.

This is the best example of how the laws of physics show that the south tower's lower floor supports had to have been cut by explosives. That is the only way that the building could be stripped of resistance and allow the upper portion to continue to fall straight down after the initial lean over. Any resistance from the lower floors would have sent the building outward. So it is impossible that the upper floors caused the lower floors to collapse. Additional energy had to have been supplied to the lower floors using timed explosives. The laws of physics preclude any other explanation.

911: The Day When the Laws of Physics Were Suspended

[willie pete]

yea, it looks like to me the structure under the portion of bldg that was leaning gave way.....but having the hundreds if not thousands of charges planted at just the right place, and how would you every know which way the bldg would be leaning prior? what if the plane had missed? ...and timed explosives? :D , yea right....who's going to push the plunger? and how could they time it exactly right? ...and if explosives had been planted, the impact of a 250k lb object carrying 10-15k gallons of gas going +/- 500 mph would've disrupted a lot of pre-planted explosive circuitry

[FunnyMoney]

willie pete, all those arguments as to the difficulty of the pre-planned event have answers, but why even go into them - no matter how confusing and difficult, they still do not negate the fact that the laws of physics indicate that huge amounts of additional energy must have been supplied to the lower portions of the building to not only cut the supports but explode them inward with great force in a controlled, timed fashion. It is a fact, it must have happened that way. The laws of physics preclude any other explanation. How they did it is only a secondary question.

[willie pete]

willie pete, all those arguments as to the difficulty of the pre-planned event have answers, but why even go into them - no matter how confusing and difficult, they still do not negate the fact that the laws of physics indicate that huge amounts of additional energy must have been supplied to the lower portions of the building to not only cut the supports but explode them inward with great force in a controlled, timed fashion. It is a fact, it must have happened that way. The laws of physics preclude any other explanation. How they did it is only a secondary question.


Nah....if you think about what it would take to do what you think happened, if you reverse engineer it, it's even more of a stretch...just take your "huge amounts" of great force....now IF that were to be used, that would be evident to everyone in the form of Very Loud reports, above and over any other noise, just look at other CD's on YT, when they push the plunger, it's LOUD and it's a SERIES of LOUD Reports, actually that's one of the first things I asked myself, IF it were an implosion, Where were the explosive sequential reports? ....although someone mentioned that they used a super-secret explosive compound that doesn't make noise..... :lol ....and look at the vids, the collapse started at the damaged portion of the bldgs.....

[Glass]

By the way: Initially, as I had watched the forty-seven-story WTC7 collapse on live broadcast, I had a layman’s notion that this must’ve come about as a result of tremendous damage inflicted on the base of WTC7. I surmised that as the Twin Towers came collapsing down, a huge wave of debris had slid across the ground, hatcheting into the foundation of WTC7. I assumed it had teetered there for a few hours before finally coming down.

But no such thing ever happened.

Take a look at the map below. Notice that WTC6 stands squarely in front of WTC7, completely shielding 7's base from WTC1 (one of the Twin Towers). Additionally anomalous is the fact that even WTC6 did not collapse…much less would there be cause for WTC7 to do so!

In fact, while you're looking at this map, please note that the four closest buildings to the two Towers (WTC3, WTC4, WTC5 AND WTC6) even though heavily damaged DID NOT COLLAPSE. But WTC7, relatively off in the distance...dropped like a rock straight into its own footprint



http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_hCtXNDGAhxI/SB9kBYXqeaI/AAAAAAAAAXA/TOU6s_GKHRs/s400/wtc_map.jpg



Where, when and how was WTC7 ever exposed to anything even remotely resembling catastrophic, cataclysmic damage??

Very simply, there is no earthly explanation for the collapse of this building other than…precision-placed and -timed explosives. And if it WAS a controlled demolition…the implications are horrible and evil.

Ironically, the most important source of evidence here is…SIMPLE COMMON SENSE. By all means, do some research into the architectural and engineering aspects of steel-structured skyscrapers as I did…OR you can (as I now realize in hindsight) apply simple common sense in deducing the following:

STEEL-STRUCTURED (FORTY-SEVEN STORY) BUILDINGS DO NOT COLLAPSE AT NEAR FREEFALL SPEED, INTO A PILE …WITHOUT ANY APPARENT CAUSE.

MUCH LESS IS IT POSSIBLE FOR IT TO HAVE COLLAPSED IN A PRECISION, STRAIGHT-DOWN FASHION, RIGHT DOWN ON TOP OF IT’S OWN FOOTPRINT….. BY ACCIDENT.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hCtXNDGAhxI/SB9jCoXqeYI/AAAAAAAAAWw/kvhklU3cqEw/s400/wtc7_tall1.jpg



When professional demolitionists bring a structure down in that manner, it requires that ALL of the building’s critical supports be removed with precision timing…in perfect simultaneity.


http://themurkynews.blogspot.com/2008/04/chapter-three-closer-look-at-911.html

[Bildo]

Got to love that CNN and BBC both announced that Building 7 had collapsed 20 minutes before it actually did. Looks like they went a little off script that day, as the reporter states the building had fallen due to debris while it still stands over her shoulder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNK1V6S2cbo

[VX1]

yea, it looks like to me the structure under the portion of bldg that was leaning gave way.....but having the hundreds if not thousands of charges planted at just the right place, and how would you every know which way the bldg would be leaning prior? what if the plane had missed?
Can you say... building seven?

If you don't yet know about the murderous Zionist plot called 911, it will be common knowledge someday in the US, like it is today in much of the rest of the civilized world, and you will think back at how naive you once were. I'm embarrassed to say that I too, was naive for years after 9/11/2001, until I finally took the time (1000hrs+) to go down the rabbit holes, study, and connect the dots.

[FunnyMoney]

^^^ I'm still not convinced :D








...you would have to be mentally unstable or a gov. agent to conclude that fire brought down WTC7




Or it could be a case of "ignorance is bliss".

Whatever the case, I don't think we have to go into the details of the poster, what's important is that the poster's ideas do not conform to the laws of physics. 911: The Day When the Laws of Physics Were Suspended.

[willie pete]

mentally unstable? ....because I don't agree with your interpretation? that's disturbing

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Has anyone here ever seen a video of debris hitting tower 7, which allegedly contributed to its fall? Post if yes.

[willie pete]

mentally unstable? ....because I don't agree with your interpretation? that's disturbing


Interpretation? I provided a video which showed the lease holder ADMITTING TO THE DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING. And you still are beating the dead horse? That's disturbing.


I've seen the video, the whole world has seen the video, you're providing nothing.... is that what he's admitting too? ... :D Ok, I think I got it now,....LS tells the FDNY, NYPD, the whole city and state of NY what to do, oh and by the way, whoever the insurance company is that's insuring #7, I, LS am telling you, I'm going to blow it up, then put a claim in for you to repay me... :lol :lol ....that's the same thing as some psychotic muslim suicide bomber taking out a $10m Life insurance policy and then going out and blowing himself up....you think an insurance Company is going to pay that claim? :D :D :D

[midnight rambler]

What flavor is that KoolAid? And is it a custom blend or an off the shelf flavor?

[Glass]

Did Silverstein get paid on Building 7?

That is an interesting question and I have wondered if he did. It is well known he got paid for 2 x the policy. Once for Building 1 and again for Building 2 because he claimed they were 2 different events. It is well known the insurance company did not want to pay so he sued them.

Did he get paid for building 7? I've not heard or been able to find anything out about him being paid out for that building. He got paid $861 million according to the wiki which states unequivicably that this building totally failed on it's design criteria including the ability to stay standing if floors were removed.

[Shami-Amourae]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m40EhbLeZMs