I think all here should read this site.....

[bellevuebully]

Below I have pasted a response I had given in the thread about the chilean miners and masonic gestures surrounding the rescue.......

Quote from: Cebu_4_2 on Today at 08:13:23 AM
now that's some strange stuff!


Cebu...are you adventurous? Think that is strange? Would you like a nice, neat trip down the rabbit hole? Are you ready to view the world in a different light? I do warn you that if you delve into the following link, and carefully weigh some of the material presented here, you will likely not look at the world in the same view again. I really mean that. This site very effectively ties in the much of the luciferian workings in the world. Carefully weigh the implications of the stories like that of Johnny Gosch/Jeff Gannon. Investigate gw's ties and strange actions regarding incarcerated killer Henry Lucas. Also, testimonies/stories about MKUltra/Satanic abuse ritual survivors and how these stories tie into very prominent leaders.

I've privately provided this link for several on this site, but I think it needs to be presented to everyone here for scrutiny. I will also start a new thread with this being the first post.

Bring toilet paper.

http://themurkynews.blogspot.com/


Although, like anything else, nothing is 100%, but the site listed above has some incredibly damning info.

[crazychicken]

interesting



Below I have pasted a response I had given in the thread about the chilean miners and masonic gestures surrounding the rescue.......

Quote from: Cebu_4_2 on Today at 08:13:23 AM
now that's some strange stuff!


Cebu...are you adventurous? Think that is strange? Would you like a nice, neat trip down the rabbit hole? Are you ready to view the world in a different light? I do warn you that if you delve into the following link, and carefully weigh some of the material presented here, you will likely not look at the world in the same view again. I really mean that. This site very effectively ties in the much of the luciferian workings in the world. Carefully weigh the implications of the stories like that of Johnny Gosch/Jeff Gannon. Investigate gw's ties and strange actions regarding incarcerated killer Henry Lucas. Also, testimonies/stories about MKUltra/Satanic abuse ritual survivors and how these stories tie into very prominent leaders.

I've privately provided this link for several on this site, but I think it needs to be presented to everyone here for scrutiny. I will also start a new thread with this being the first post.

Bring toilet paper.

http://themurkynews.blogspot.com/


Although, like anything else, nothing is 100%, but the site listed above has some incredibly damning info.

[RJB]

I'm making this post to remember to come back when I have more time to look over it. Thanks.

[bellevuebully]

Also, I would encourage everyone who is in the position to, to print/save this info to a secure format. I have a feeling this site may be one to disappear when that assault comes.

[Glass]

I've spent quite a bit of time reading this material. Some of it I have seen before and other material confirms what I have heard elsewhere. The part that really concerns me is I remember lots of this material being in the news papers and on the news. Some of it just briefly before it was supressed but I remember it.

The banker with the paedophile videos, the bush family stuff, George jr being caught on a runway with a plane full of coke even rings a bell. the clintons and the real estate scandals.. more loan scandals. The whole contra thing was probably the first time I witnessed a whitewash in my lifetime. It was there in the open and the poof... gone like a flash.

Thanks for posting the link.

[bellevuebully]

I've spent quite a bit of time reading this material. Some of it I have seen before and other material confirms what I have heard elsewhere. The part that really concerns me is I remember lots of this material being in the news papers and on the news. Some of it just briefly before it was supressed but I remember it.

The banker with the paedophile videos, the bush family stuff, George jr being caught on a runway with a plane full of coke even rings a bell. the clintons and the real estate scandals.. more loan scandals. The whole contra thing was probably the first time I witnessed a whitewash in my lifetime. It was there in the open and the poof... gone like a flash.

Thanks for posting the link.


You are welcome Glass. Thank you for looking at it and posting a reply.

Did you read about the Franklin cover up?

I suggest reading this work carefully, using the links. The interconnecting details are astonishing when put into context of a web woven by a supernatural hand.

[RJB]

The whole contra thing was probably the first time I witnessed a whitewash in my lifetime.That gives me chills. I was 16 when that story broke. I came from a republican family and we figured even if it was illegal, the Reagan administration would only do what is right for this country. Man, were my eyes closed.

[madfranks]

Thanks for the link; I plan to read more of it when I get a chance, but some of it really seems to be way, way out there. For instance, the assertion that Christian singer/songwriter Michael W. Smith purposefully arranged his hair on the cover of one of his CD's to represent the Teutonic rune of death... that's really out there.

[JDRock]

post- for future reference.

[Ponce]

Consult Ponce about what kind of toilet paper you should take :oo--> ;D

[bellevuebully]

Thanks for the link; I plan to read more of it when I get a chance, but some of it really seems to be way, way out there. For instance, the assertion that Christian singer/songwriter Michael W. Smith purposefully arranged his hair on the cover of one of his CD's to represent the Teutonic rune of death... that's really out there.


Madfranks....actually, I feel a hell of a lot better calling you dude.....everytime I see that Hitler video headline I think of you....that was deadly funny. Anyhow, I digress.

M, I hear what you are saying. Let me give you a bit of background on myself. Long story short...I've seen both sides of the tracks. Like most, I've got my 'south of the tracks' moments. I don't care to compare with anybody or challenge where someone rates in that department....it's a wide world. But I can say this. I have, after having been 'wild and free', came to a genuine understanding of what the gospel message fundementally meant. I accepted that. I'll emphasize at this point that I have always been a critical thinker who couldn't put the 'storyline' together, with what I was seeing going on around me. This is what lead me to seek something greater, and also what led me to leave the 'established' church. In other words, referring to the 'storylin/reality' analogy, it extended to my Christian experience. I was actually a 'deacon' in the evangelical church. My heart was in a good place, intention-wise, I mean, and I was thirsty for TRUTH. < I capped that for a reason. I'll get back to that. Anyways, intentionally I seperated myself with the understanding/belief that God would sort things out in a meaningful manner from there.

So back to the TRUTH. Like I said in my OP, nothing is 100%. But any critical thinker who reads this material over methodically, and with a desire to see how far things could extend beyond even what we here, would consider diabolical, will be led to a lot of material that ties in a lot of what we have been discussing for a long time on sites like this. Imo, it peeled back that tough layer that I had trouble getting a grip of. I'm not saying it is all new revelation either. I just think it is put together in a way that connects the dots in a way most don't have time to do. I am thankul to the author for that.

My point is, it's not coincidental that it ties back to Lucifienism. Even as a Christian, the evidence is a slap in the face with raw reality. I'm not talking about satan-boogeyman. Aside from personal beliefs, the fact remains that there are people who have recognized and paid allegiance to the darkest of forces. Not fairtaile people..people in our recent past.Our culture is steeped in a battle between truth and deception, control and freedom, light and darkness. I emphasize that this also is not a coincidence. These people are murderers, abductors, exploiters, paedophiles and perverters of the truth.

But we all knew that anyway..... ;)

Anyhow, we all have our own beliefs. I don't intend to incite a flame war. This is an informational site and if you (not you Mf,... in general) don't like the content provided, I would appreciate you start a thread with your protests instead of cluttering up this thread. I promise to visit. Is that too much to ask? tia

[Mouse]

Sticky for later viewing...thanks

[MNeagle]

bellevue, would you mind reposting this link in the Religion section? That way it won't get lost so soon.

Thanks much. I've been reading it all day!

[Filthy Keynes]

A video series that is also MUST WATCH! Exposing Luciferianism in the Secret Societies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQfDxV7CXBQ

[bellevuebully]

Thanks for the link; I plan to read more of it when I get a chance, but some of it really seems to be way, way out there. For instance, the assertion that Christian singer/songwriter Michael W. Smith purposefully arranged his hair on the cover of one of his CD's to represent the Teutonic rune of death... that's really out there.


Another point I wanted to make on this madfranks is that there is one component that really helps the reader to rationalize this type of unrational charge. Most of the luciferian activity is closely tied into MkUltra type mind control, and satanic ritual abuse, creating individuals with increadibly vulnerable minds to their controllers. Check out stories like Johnny Gosch/Jeff Ganon, Cathy oBrien, Robert Oxnam (probably the most famous survivour of mpd).

Cia and other luciferian systems have been at it for years. There has been a good counter attack launched also, with the intention to water down the truth of mpd...one branch of that attack has been the False Memory Syndrome Foundation. Another fine institution founded and ran by ex cia and cia-connected, pro paedophiles. Do the research.....you'll see what I mean.

Speaking of paeds.....ever ask yourself why, when these huge rings are busted and the media reports 100's of minors' images involved, that none of those faces ever reach the light of day so that they could be identified?? The answer is, it could prove quite embarassing for the elites....thus it is surpressed through channels at the highest levels of these organizations. So the sexual, mental and spiritual abuse continues, with no serious question from our local pastors, politicians, agencies or institutions. Convenient, isn't it? And media and academia rationalize this by saying 'we're protecting them'.....what a bs load of double talk. They're allowing them to continue to be exploited, so that they can save them some embarassent????????? God help us.

Take a look mad.......you're a smart fellow. I don't take lightly the notion that the Truth will set us free.

[bellevuebully]

bellevue, would you mind reposting this link in the Religion section? That way it won't get lost so soon.

Thanks much. I've been reading it all day!


MN, I'm usually the guy to go.....whatever, here/there, it's all good.

But in this case, due to the fact that the information contained can be so helpful to those who might not find themselves in the religion section, I would rather leave it here.

I've recently started a word doc on my desktop with links to threads I'm interested in. This software doesn't have that subscription feature, which I miss. Just a suggestion anyhow.

Thanks for looking.

[7th trump]

Also, I would encourage everyone who is in the position to, to print/save this info to a secure format. I have a feeling this site may be one to disappear when that assault comes.

If you want to watch it on the net go here http://www.shepherdschapel.com and listen to Arnold.
A lot do not like Arnold for his way of teaching Gods word which is nothing special except right out of the book verse by verse from beginning to end.
The first half hour he reads from the Bible and the last half hour he answers letters from his viewers. I suggest watching the last half hour if you want to see what kind of person Arnold is.
Like I say satan attacks those who expose satan and Arnold gets a lot of bad publicity because he doesnt beat around the bush when it comes to Gods Word and exposing the beast.


I suggest getting the free CD offered by the chapel on the mark of the beast.

[bellevuebully]

bellevue, would you mind reposting this link in the Religion section? That way it won't get lost so soon.

Thanks much. I've been reading it all day!


Pay attention to the reoccurring theme of ritual satanic abuse and other mind control methods being used by these luciferians. It helps explain a lot of the behaviours which normal folks just can't get their head around.

[bellevuebully]

Also, I would encourage everyone who is in the position to, to print/save this info to a secure format. I have a feeling this site may be one to disappear when that assault comes.

If you want to watch it on the net go here http://www.shepherdschapel.com and listen to Arnold.
A lot do not like Arnold for his way of teaching Gods word which is nothing special except right out of the book verse by verse from beginning to end.
The first half hour he reads from the Bible and the last half hour he answers letters from his viewers. I suggest watching the last half hour if you want to see what kind of person Arnold is.
Like I say satan attacks those who expose satan and Arnold gets a lot of bad publicity because he doesnt beat around the bush when it comes to Gods Word and exposing the beast.


I'm not sure how this relates to the attached quote. I was suggesting that folks copy the info on the site I had posted. Are you suggesting this other media stream fits into the same catagory? I'd rather not turn this thread into a discussion on 'doctrine' for the lack of a better term. I'd rather focus on people just recognizing the reality of Satan's work in the system he has constructed.

[Book]

http://www.museumofconceptualart.com/Jesusisms_vs_Bushisms/images/Love%20Your%20Enemies.jpg

http://www.museumofconceptualart.com/Jesusisms_vs_Bushisms/images/Turn%20Other%20Cheek.jpg

Maybe Talmud jews actually invented this kind of New Testament passivity so they can easily victimize the naive Believers.

Can anyone here point to a time when Goodness was really running the Old World Order?

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Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them (http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1.137099)

:oo-->

[hoarder]

Interesting stuff, but.....I still think it all boils down to two things:
1) Who controls the media.
2) Who controls the Federal Reserve.

[bellevuebully]

Interesting stuff, but.....I still think it all boils down to two things:
1) Who controls the media.
2) Who controls the Federal Reserve.


Layer 2 of 20.

The evidence down through the ages point to a much more sophistocated approach. Have a look at the full vid Filthy Keynes posted above. It traces a lot of the routes from ancient mysticism, kaballism, to freemasonry, and control of banking and media. At the route of it all is luciferianism. Check it out. Very interesting presentation.

[bellevuebully]

http://www.museumofconceptualart.com/Jesusisms_vs_Bushisms/images/Love%20Your%20Enemies.jpg

http://www.museumofconceptualart.com/Jesusisms_vs_Bushisms/images/Turn%20Other%20Cheek.jpg

Maybe Talmud jews actually invented this kind of New Testament passivity so they can easily victimize the naive Believers.

Can anyone here point to a time when Goodness was really running the Old World Order?

|--0--|

Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them (http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1.137099)

:oo-->


Abrasive but true.

Why would one group be spared over another. As Satan has used 'jewish' cover (the synagogue of satan), so has he infiltrated mainstream Christianity, which today I believe is a shell of it's true self, or at least it's projected self. It's widely accepted doctrines are leading people down a garden path...part of a great apostacy.

Anyhow, if you are completely athiest and think this all stops with the talmudic jews, who am I to argue?

[bellevuebully]

http://www.museumofconceptualart.com/Jesusisms_vs_Bushisms/images/Love%20Your%20Enemies.jpg

http://www.museumofconceptualart.com/Jesusisms_vs_Bushisms/images/Turn%20Other%20Cheek.jpg

Maybe Talmud jews actually invented this kind of New Testament passivity so they can easily victimize the naive Believers.

Can anyone here point to a time when Goodness was really running the Old World Order?

|--0--|

Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them (http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1.137099)

:oo-->


Actually, thinking about this post a little more, it brings up the Scofield issue that has been floated here over the last few days. Creating Christians that were sypathetic to a zionist god-state was whole intention of the Scofield reference bible. They, as you say, invented judeo-christianity, and zionist-christians.

[Book]

Most of the luciferian activity is closely tied into MkUltra type mind control, and satanic ritual abuse, creating individuals with increadibly vulnerable minds to their controllers.



Jews invented Psychiatry. Invented it. Observe this modern-day Martin Seligman (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21469) was just given another $31 Million of our tax money to continue his evil.

:oo-->

Lucies = Talmudists.

[Book]

Abrasive but true.



Truth is abrasive...lol. Good point about Scofield. You nailed it.

:D

[Filthy Keynes]

Belle,

Great info you posted. I've been researching this on my own for a year now. Check this one out:

Walter Veith-(26) The UN And The Occult Agenda 1/9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksX7qTvyRpQ

[bellevuebully]

Most of the luciferian activity is closely tied into MkUltra type mind control, and satanic ritual abuse, creating individuals with increadibly vulnerable minds to their controllers.



Jews invented Psychiatry. Invented it. Observe this modern-day Martin Seligman (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21469) was just given another $31 Million of our tax money to continue his evil.

:oo-->

Lucies = Talmudists.


Luciferians = a group trying to accomplish things that have been written about in sacred text, containing prophecy to validate, and playing out today as written.

Talmudists = Book screaming talmudists, in other words an opinion based on observing what a group has done, not WHY THEY HAVE DONE IT.

Book, ask yourself.....what force binds the deeds and desires of the whole talmudic tribe to the point that it can execute it's diabolical plot with the precision and efficiency of a massive flock of birds changing direction??

[bellevuebully]

Belle,

Great info you posted. I've been researching this on my own for a year now. Check this one out:



Thanks. I'll have to put that one aside and have a closer look later. I'm doing 3 things at once now. It's not so bad though......one of them is beer! ;D

[Serpo]

The use of the eye behind evangelical Kay Arthur

also spot the eye on her book

[bellevuebully]

The use of the eye behind evangelical Kay Arthur

also spot the eye on her book


If it was one example, that's one thing, but the recurring theme is a fingerprint.

[Libertarian_Guard]

Thanks for the link; I plan to read more of it when I get a chance, but some of it really seems to be way, way out there. For instance, the assertion that Christian singer/songwriter Michael W. Smith purposefully arranged his hair on the cover of one of his CD's to represent the Teutonic rune of death... that's really out there.


It is possible that much of this was presented subliminally. Meaning that the people that put it together were unaware of "dark forces" working within themselves, all being done as a tribute to themselves and a way smearing the work Michael Smith.

But then there's the shows at his place in Nashville, so I don't know, but it is interesting.

[Horn]

Luciferians = a group trying to accomplish things that have been written about in sacred text, containing prophecy to validate, and playing out today as written.

Where's the link to the sacred text?

Or is it so sacred one can find it in every hotel nightstand?

[hoarder]

Interesting stuff, but.....I still think it all boils down to two things:
1) Who controls the media.
2) Who controls the Federal Reserve.


Layer 2 of 20.

The evidence down through the ages point to a much more sophistocated approach. Have a look at the full vid Filthy Keynes posted above. It traces a lot of the routes from ancient mysticism, kaballism, to freemasonry, and control of banking and media. At the route of it all is luciferianism. Check it out. Very interesting presentation.
I'll read when I have time if it's not too long. Cover is measured in layers, not motives or mechanisms.
It makes strategic sense for the Khazars to use luciferism as a cover. while 2% of the population conquers the world. It makes their opposition feel helpless to do anything about it.

[JDRock]

Most of the luciferian activity is closely tied into MkUltra type mind control, and satanic ritual abuse, creating individuals with increadibly vulnerable minds to their controllers.



Jews invented Psychiatry. Invented it. Observe this modern-day Martin Seligman (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21469) was just given another $31 Million of our tax money to continue his evil.

:oo-->

Lucies = Talmudists.


ANOTHER bullseye here, Book! stress, INVENTED it. this thread should be directing inquiring minds to the protocols.

the immediate enemy we face, have names,addresses and social security #s...they are flesh and blood.

[bellevuebully]

Thanks for the link; I plan to read more of it when I get a chance, but some of it really seems to be way, way out there. For instance, the assertion that Christian singer/songwriter Michael W. Smith purposefully arranged his hair on the cover of one of his CD's to represent the Teutonic rune of death... that's really out there.


It is possible that much of this was presented subliminally. Meaning that the people that put it together were unaware of "dark forces" working within themselves, all being done as a tribute to themselves and a way smearing the work Michael Smith.

But then there's the shows at his place in Nashville, so I don't know, but it is interesting.


Yes, it appears there is a certain amount of mind control dynamics going on here. It is well explained when reading accounts of satanic ritual abuse victims. The basic idea of mind control being, tramatize an individual until, due to it's intensity, the mind errects amniasiatic wall to block out the reality of the trauma. This can be accomplished several times over, creating multiple personalities, often times with the result of bring out special abilities. In satanic abuse rituals, the tramatized mind remains very vulnerable and maleable to the abuser. Trigger words and images are also used to 'bring out' these manifestations.

Luciferians have been studying and perfecting mind control since the 20's. The author of the web site listed tracks evidence of this type of activity and the presence of facilities at Oral Roberts University, where countless 'strongmen' of God have received their credentials. Looking at the evidence forces one to ask.....why all the blatent occult images at ORU? Certainly, the folks coming out of the institution are also demonstrating a willingness to be involved in occultic practices.

[Serpo]

Just some WTC7 clips......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_yQ7k4OUBU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STbD9XMCOho

[bellevuebully]

Luciferians = a group trying to accomplish things that have been written about in sacred text, containing prophecy to validate, and playing out today as written.

Where's the link to the sacred text?

Or is it so sacred one can find it in every hotel nightstand?


Maybe your being flippant, maybe you're taking a shot. Do you know what sacred means? Apparently you think it means something else.

Worthy of spiritual consideration is what wiki said, but there are other sources for precise definitions of words.

So were you being flippant, or taking a shot, because if it was a shot, it turned out to be a blank.

[bellevuebully]

Just some WTC7 clips......





shhhhhhhhh.....

Seriously though, when you start to understand how infiltrated everything is and how powerful these groups are, taking out 3 towers in nyc and blaming it on the muslims, whom they also control, is a peice of cake. Spiritual battle.......not flesh and blood adversaries.

[Libertarian_Guard]

Just some WTC7 clips......





shhhhhhhhh.....

Seriously though, when you start to understand how infiltrated everything is and how powerful these groups are, taking out 3 towers in nyc and blaming it on the muslims, whom they also control, is a peice of cake. Spiritual battle.......not flesh and blood adversaries.


Alright, but if all this was only a means to overthrow Saddam and occupy Iraq, why weren't the WMD produced?

Planting evidence would have been rather easy compared with orchestrating 9/11, and would have served to legitimize the whole operation.

Now the charge will remain that the "intelligence" was fabricated and 9/11 doesn't pass the sniff test.

[bellevuebully]

Interesting stuff, but.....I still think it all boils down to two things:
1) Who controls the media.
2) Who controls the Federal Reserve.


Layer 2 of 20.

The evidence down through the ages point to a much more sophistocated approach. Have a look at the full vid Filthy Keynes posted above. It traces a lot of the routes from ancient mysticism, kaballism, to freemasonry, and control of banking and media. At the route of it all is luciferianism. Check it out. Very interesting presentation.
I'll read when I have time if it's not too long. Cover is measured in layers, not motives or mechanisms.
It makes strategic sense for the Khazars to use luciferism as a cover. while 2% of the population conquers the world. It makes their opposition feel helpless to do anything about it.


Khazars using luciferianism as cover? I think you fail to see the roots of the Khazars. If it all ends with the khazars, you have all the answers you need. Go out and do something about it.

[Book]

Luciferians = a group trying to accomplish things that have been written about in sacred text, containing prophecy to validate, and playing out today as written.



YOUR SACRED TEXT (http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/critwords_2.html)

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[Awoke]

Bellevue, I was going to start up a thread about the Murky News, because it does deserve it's own thread. I agree with you on the importance of this link. I knew most of what I have read so far, but nothing about the Franklin cover up.

This is one of the more important pieces of information available on the internet, IMO.





Alright, but if all this was only a means to overthrow Saddam and occupy Iraq, why weren't the WMD produced?

Planting evidence would have been rather easy compared with orchestrating 9/11, and would have served to legitimize the whole operation.

Now the charge will remain that the "intelligence" was fabricated and 9/11 doesn't pass the sniff test.


They couldn't justify removing personal liberties in North America simply by planting evidence in the middle east. They needed the catalyst that they wrote about in the PNAC.

I also want to mention that the author of the Murky News is reading that part of the PNAC statement about a catastophic event in the wrong context. He is not understanding it the way that I believe it should be understood. I will post more later. Bed time.

[bellevuebully]

Luciferians = a group trying to accomplish things that have been written about in sacred text, containing prophecy to validate, and playing out today as written.



YOUR SACRED TEXT (http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/critwords_2.html)

:oo-->


Like Horn, you have a shallow understanding of the english language. Or, you are intentionally trying to stir the pot. Go buy a dictionary.

[G2Rad]

bellevu, here is what I think

Divide and conquer is as old as the World.

Satan divides mankind and then he collides sides in conflict

That is how this world is run

Jews & Jew-haters belong to the same camp, as they bow to the same master

likewise, t-partiers, liberal and "conservatives" belong to the same camp

the mind control is all over and is blatant

shamanic cults all over the world were using the same technique, even when a culture is deeply isolated

the technique is the same because it works

Here is how to establlish a bridge to Satan: mess up alpha rhythms of your brain (the antenna) using hearing (drums, music rhythms) or drugs (hallucinogens) (strobs also work) and you just tuned yourself to the “satanic world-news channel”.

more over, those who go after it real strong may find they wish accommodated. They discover the world of ghosts, wervolfs, ouija boards etc. They are given by the Lord unto it, so that they could be damned (2 Thessalonians 2:10-12). The rigid physical laws of this world are loosed for them.

Western cultures perfected the technique. Thousands of books, scenarios, songs, and scientific articles channeled through the meditative state of mind.

Satan runs the political and religious system of the world through similar techniques.
Think of how most religious text first apeared.

The goal is to defeat God the Creator, escape the judgment and hell and “free” themselves of responsibility and death.

It is naïve to portray them as bloodthirsty sick maniacs.
They are not.
They believe they are noble warriors fighting for the glory of humanity. They are trying to put man on the same level as God. They fight for equal rights. After all, Satan asked for the equal rights ( Isa 14:14 ).

It would be a huge mistake to think of them as mad, mentally sick maniacs. Bible asks us to respect Satan.

The elite who is entrenched in Luciferism is more intelligent, sophisticated and educated than people here at this forum.
Many guys here KNOW NOTHING.
The elite chosen Lucifer’s side because they refuse to bow to the Lord.

The masters of the World and the captains of destiny refuse to become servants of anybody, even of the Lord.

They are the insurgency, the proud rebellion.

They are defeated.
Defeated without a shot being fired by the Lamb (sheep).
Such simple thing as Love overturned the rebellion.

[Horn]

Luciferians = a group trying to accomplish things that have been written about in sacred text, containing prophecy to validate, and playing out today as written.



YOUR SACRED TEXT (http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/critwords_2.html)

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Like Horn, you have a shallow understanding of the english language. Or, you are intentionally trying to stir the pot. Go buy a dictionary.


I'm simply tying to find the sacred text you mentioned, there must be some record of it as proof, no?

What's with the animosity?

[bellevuebully]

bellevu, here is what I think

Divide and conquer is as old as the World.

Satan divides mankind and then he collides sides in conflict

That is how this world is run

Jews & Jew-haters belong to the same camp, as they bow to the same master

likewise, t-partiers, liberal and "conservatives" belong to the same camp

the mind control is all over and is blatant

shamanic cults all over the world were using the same technique, even when a culture is deeply isolated

the technique is the same because it works

Here is how to establlish a bridge to Satan: mess up alpha rhythms of your brain (the antenna) using hearing (drums, music rhythms) or drugs (hallucinogens) (strobs also work) and you just tuned yourself to the “satanic world-news channel”.

more over, those who go after it real strong may find they wish accommodated. They discover the world of ghosts, wervolfs, ouija boards etc. They are given by the Lord unto it, so that they could be damned (2 Thessalonians 2:10-12). The rigid physical laws of this world are loosed for them.

Western cultures perfected the technique. Thousands of books, scenarios, songs, and scientific articles channeled through the meditative state of mind.

Satan runs the political and religious system of the world through similar techniques.
Think of how most religious text first apeared.

The goal is to defeat God the Creator, escape the judgment and hell and “free” themselves of responsibility and death.

It is naïve to portray them as bloodthirsty sick maniacs.
They are not.
They believe they are noble warriors fighting for the glory of humanity. They are trying to put man on the same level as God. They fight for equal rights. After all, Satan asked for the equal rights ( Isa 14:14 ).

It would be a huge mistake to think of them as mad, mentally sick maniacs. Bible asks us to respect Satan.

The elite who is entrenched in Luciferism is more intelligent, sophisticated and educated than people here at this forum.
Many guys here KNOW NOTHING.
The elite chosen Lucifer’s side because they refuse to bow to the Lord.

The masters of the World and the captains of destiny refuse to become servants of anybody, even of the Lord.

They are the insurgency, the proud rebellion.

They are defeated.
Defeated without a shot being fired by the Lamb (sheep).
Such simple thing as Love overturned the rebellion.


CC

I generally agree with all you are saying. Small details will always be disputed, but in general, there is no escaping the fact that the bottom line here is a spiritual battle ensues with the chief counterfitter in full attack mode to decieve the world. The other important truth is that he is already defeated. What you say about the mechanisms of the system is very true. Division, tension, strife, and the exploitation of such. Grind, and grind and grind away, the sides do not matter, only that the outcome serves the purpose of resurrecting power to one central person....the anti-christ, which is of course the antithesis of the true God's sovereignty and the focus of the rebellion. These methods are ancient, even before Jesus came to this earth. The ancient mystics practiced babylonion paganism and passed it down through the ages, changing the veneer over the ages......until today we have masonry and the associated branches of it.....illuminate, et al.

What you say about them (not) being blood thirsty maniacs, I also agree with. To pagans, they don't care it they are worshipping the good/bad/male/female side of a diety....as long as the diety is a counterfit of the true Jesus Christ. That is the essence of luciferianism......issues regarding murder, paedophilia, and blood sacrafice are a result of luciferian activity (and most certainly DO occur in certain dark corners), and a result of the spiritual implications of being involved in such, but I don't think they are central ideas to all sects of paganism.

It is all based on a counterfit system. Designed by the author of confusion, and set into motion many, many years before the Word was made flesh. And you are correct, very few see it.

Thanks for the great post.

[bellevuebully]

Luciferians = a group trying to accomplish things that have been written about in sacred text, containing prophecy to validate, and playing out today as written.



YOUR SACRED TEXT (http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/critwords_2.html)

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Like Horn, you have a shallow understanding of the english language. Or, you are intentionally trying to stir the pot. Go buy a dictionary.


I'm simply tying to find the sacred text you mentioned, there must be some record of it as proof, no?

What's with the animosity?


No animosity. Neither of you apparently knows what the word sacred means, so when you throw an insult at me and my beliefs, you can bet I'm not going to lay down like a rug and and let you make misleading comments.

So, what does sacred mean?.........'something worthy of spiritual consideration'........<<<<see that......it doesn't say you MUST accept or PROVEN to be written by the hand of God......it says 'worthy of spiritual consideration'. Would you not consider the ancient writings and texts of the world's history worthy of spriritual consideration?? I mean, these writings have led to millions upon millions of deaths and centuries upon centuries of conquest and destruction. Discounting them as a source for insight would be foolish, imo.

Horn, in the future, don't play word games with me and then act surprised when I call you on it. Or at least, say what you mean and mean what you say. I don't have any time it.

[hoarder]

Khazars using luciferianism as cover? I think you fail to see the roots of the Khazars. If it all ends with the khazars, you have all the answers you need. Go out and do something about it.
I do not choose to defer blame to an invisible and unprovable entity. Khazars are the world's greatest actors and they use whatever cover they can whenever they can, which includes both tangible and intangible entities, real and unprovable, as opportunity allows.

Playing devils advocate; if Lucifer is using the Khazars instead of Khazars using Luciferism as cover, what of it? It's not possible to prove one over the other because the existence of Lucifer relies on faith.

How do you fight Lucifer vs, how do you fight Khazars....that's what this argument boils down to.

You cannot fight Lucifer, excepting the fight in which you have faith exists in your mind and heart, immeasurable and unprovable.

Khazars are obviously guilty, real and visible and can be fought.

[bellevuebully]

Khazars using luciferianism as cover? I think you fail to see the roots of the Khazars. If it all ends with the khazars, you have all the answers you need. Go out and do something about it.
I do not choose to defer blame to an invisible and unprovable entity. Khazars are the world's greatest actors and they use whatever cover they can whenever they can, which includes both tangible and intangible entities, real and unprovable, as opportunity allows.

Playing devils advocate; if Lucifer is using the Khazars instead of Khazars using Luciferism as cover, what of it? It's not possible to prove one over the other because the existence of Lucifer relies on faith.

How do you fight Lucifer vs, how do you fight Khazars....that's what this argument boils down to.
You cannot fight Lucifer, excepting the fight in which you have faith exists in your mind and heart, immeasurable and unprovable.

Khazars are obviously guilty, real and visible and can be fought.



If we don't agree on the footing, we can not build on it.

The spiritual pov and the physical-world pov will never be congruent. As I said to you in the last post, if it's all about the Khazars, you have your info. If you believe it is a life-death struggle and they are the one's holding your liberty captive, then do something about it. People have fought for a lot less. How you would do this is your dilema, not mine, so do not ask me about how such an adventure could be planned.

To answer your question, Lucifer is fought by knowing the Truth.

If you feel you must fight a 'real, and visible' foe as you described above, then do what you must. I will continue to fight not the flesh, but the powers and principalities that are out to destroy us.

nwo=balylonian sun worship with millenia of veneers glued to it.

Respectfully.

[G2Rad]

an invisible and unprovable entity.
that is the kind of b/s most laypeople are indoctrinated into
it is provable.


the existence of Lucifer relies on faith.
existence of China also relies on faith.
existence of Obama relies on faith too.


How do you fight Lucifer vs, how do you fight Khazars....that's what this argument boils down to.
You cannot fight Lucifer, excepting the fight in which you have faith exists in your mind and heart, immeasurable and unprovable.
Khazars are obviously guilty, real and visible and can be fought.
those are right questions, but you are not going to believe the answers

[hoarder]

existence of China also relies on faith.
existence of Obama relies on faith too.Belief in those two things does not rely on faith. One can travel and see them.
This is why I'm not a religious person. If faith is a legitimate mechanisn for separating the wheat from the chaff, then we could apply it to all sorts of beliefs. See what happens? If you accept things on faith then why not accept everything on faith? I need more than that.
I concede that there are many truths out there that are unknowable or that I am not capable of knowing, but those possibilities I place on the back burner and concentrate on what is knowable and provable.

[G2Rad]

bellevuebully,

I am happy to find a like-minded person in you

great link in the OP

thank you

I visited a lot of denominations
everywhere I went I found Satan's hand
for the longest I was fooled by Evangelicals
a couple of years ago I realised that they are a part of the "llusion"
I saved the pages of that on-line book.
speaking the truth, being a Christian is one step from being dead or inprisoned, as it always was

[hoarder]

The spiritual pov and the physical-world pov will never be congruent. I agree and don't claim any competence in the former.

To answer your question, Lucifer is fought by knowing the Truth. To fight the Khazar one needs to know the truth in the physical world. How does one arrive at the truth in the spiritual world, if not by faith?

[G2Rad]

existence of China also relies on faith.
existence of Obama relies on faith too.Belief in those two things does not rely on faith. One can travel and see them.

Likewise one can open the Bible and know beyond any doubt the truth.


This is why I'm not a religious person.
You implied that I am a religious person which would be not true.


If faith is a legitimate mechanisn for separating the wheat from the chaff, then we could apply it to all sorts of beliefs. See what happens? If you accept things on faith then why not accept everything on faith? I need more than that.
I concede that there are many truths out there that are unknowable or that I am not capable of knowing, but those possibilities I place on the back burner and concentrate on what is knowable and provable.

you don't understand. existence of God and Satan is a fact. you've been indoctrinated by propaganda

[bellevuebully]

To fight the Khazar one needs to know the truth in the physical world. How does one arrive at the truth in the spiritual world, if not by faith?


The Word is the Truth. If you do not want to consider that possibility, that is the source of your confusion.

Btw......in finding the truth in the spiritual world, the truth in the physical becomes crystal clear.

[G2Rad]

hoarder, it's like on a satelite communications forum having somebody from the flat-earth society show up and deny existance of outer space

why do you think all of them believe in Satan? because they are stupid and you are smart?

[G2Rad]

it is convinient for them to keep you in dark and to have you know nothing

it makes it easy to manipulate you

they can make you hate khazars, they can make you hate liberals, bankers or the FED

they can make you do whatever they want and you''ll have no idea who does that to you,
and who is your real enemy

as long as you are blind you will be foolishly fighting each other, thinking that the opposite side is evil

but the moment you won you will get corrupted and as evil as they are, and even more, because you will soil your hands in blood in the process

[hoarder]

The Bible, or some version of it, may very well be true. But if the existence of a book proves something to be true, then I can write a book and it will be the truth.
I don't mean to denigrate your beliefs, but I just use logic to categorize things as true, probably true or possibly true.

To play devils advocate again, if there is a Lucifer and a God, would not Lucifer position himself or his minions to manipulate as many transalations and interpretations of scripture as possible?

If you look at the big organized religions, you find Lucifer and I find Khazars. Whichever it is, we both probably agree that the "bad guys" are manipulating interpretations of scripture. I find that many Christians arbitrarily claim that the King James Version is the real deal.

How does one know where the manipulation of interpretations began? faith again?

[G2Rad]

The Bible, or some version of it, may very well be true. But if the existence of a book proves something to be true, then I can write a book and it will be the truth.
I don't mean to denigrate your beliefs, but I just use logic to categorize things as true, probably true or possibly true.


horder, I enjoy speaking with you. valid questions. you are intelligent guy.
I use logic to categorize things as true, probably true or possibly true just like you do. That is my trade.
I don't believe in imaginary spaghetti monsters of fables. Only facts and only logic.

here is the thing. you can't write such a book. no human can write such a book.
if you study that book, you will understand why.
that book could only been written by somebody who is outside of this space-time, simulation, the Matrix, whatere you want to call this thing we live in

[bellevuebully]

If you look at the big organized religions, you find Lucifer and I find Khazars. Whichever it is, we both probably agree that the "bad guys" are manipulating interpretations of scripture. I find that many Christians arbitrarily claim that the King James Version is the real deal.



The study of the streams of docs from where these versions came from are about are available. Three basic catagories. The product of cat1.....most new translations (am std, etc), the product of cat 2.....kjv, the product of cat 3.......catholicism.

No doubt there have been attacks on the Word......in the timeframe of about 10 years, C. Scofield and Oxford publishing company invented christian-zionists before anyone ever knew or heard of that term.

[G2Rad]

To play devils advocate again, if there is a Lucifer and a God, would not Lucifer position himself or his minions to manipulate as many transalations and interpretations of scripture as possible?
the Creator allowed him to prove his case. However there are rules of engagement he is subjected to. the preservation of the Word and its availability is one of such rules



If you look at the big organized religions, you find Lucifer and I find Khazars. Whichever it is, we both probably agree that the "bad guys" are manipulating interpretations of scripture. I find that many Christians arbitrarily claim that the King James Version is the real deal.
How does one know where the manipulation of interpretations began? faith again?
how can you believe? based on facts. you see the facts being distorted and taken away, you know "the manipulation of interpretations began", the manipulation and interpretations always were for thousands of years, yet the body of Christ survived through millenias of struggle

[G2Rad]

it is convinient for them to keep you in dark and to have you know nothing

it makes it easy to manipulate you

they can make you hate khazars, they can make you hate liberals, bankers or the FED

they can make you do whatever they want and you''ll have no idea who does that to you,
and who is your real enemy

as long as you are blind you will be foolishly fighting each other, thinking that the opposite side is evil

but the moment you won you will get corrupted and as evil as they are, and even more, because you will soil your hands in blood in the process

because your hands will be soiled in blood in the process of fighting evil the evil will only get bigger

the chains stronger

[PatColo]

Posted this in the other masons/Chilean mine thread. Seems to have mostly flown below the radar. Lots of evidence stacking up that the Chilean mine accident has Judeo-Mason fingerprints all over it. Not sure what the point was, it wasn't a paradigm-shifting event like 911 etc. And it sure got alot of MSM coverage- how often are there catastrophes worldwide, floods etc affecting thousands, that barely make a footnote in the MSM?



Did Netanyahu predict Chile mine collapse 23 years before it happened? (http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/did-netanyahu-predict-chile-mine-collapse-23-years-before-it-happened-1.318929)

In the midst of a successful rescue mission to save 33 Chilean miners, PMO distributes quotes from a book Netanyahu wrote in 1987.

Several months ago, at the 100th birthday celebrations for his father Benzion, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu revealed that the centenarian had predicted the events of September 11, 2001 in the early 1990s. On Wednesday, the Prime Minister's Office announced that Netanyahu himself had predicted the collapse of the Chilean copper and gold mine, where 33 miners had been trapped for 69 days until their ultimate rescue.

MORE (http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/did-netanyahu-predict-chile-mine-collapse-23-years-before-it-happened-1.318929)

[bellevuebully]

if there is a Lucifer and a God, would not Lucifer position himself or his minions to manipulate as many transalations and interpretations of scripture as possible?



I don't want this to appear like a 2 to 1 gangup on you hoarder, but I would like to respond to this, because it is a central idea to the truth.

Satan started this plan way before Christ was made flesh. Babylon was the foundation of the counterfitting scheme. All of the pagan connections that 'christians' so vehemenantly deny as being present in 'christian' doctrine, imagery and ceremony ties directly back to pagan Babylon.

Every truth about the Christ has been mirrored in a parallel but in counterfit fashion so that the luciferian component can worship Baal while others think they are worshipping Christ. Do you not see this mechanism in the Masonic rite? The bearer of light, they say at the porch level, is Jesus. But all of the evidence of what is going on in the upper circles is that the 'bearer of light' is lucifer. This tactic is obvious if you really look at how the occult operates. The masons are a perfect example, and why wouldn't they be. The catholic church is the same......actually probably the most current model. Regardless, both are in Satans back pocket.

[G2Rad]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtzE6AjqQC4

[bellevuebully]

Posted this in the other masons/Chilean mine thread. Seems to have mostly flown below the radar. Lots of evidence stacking up that the Chilean mine accident has Judeo-Mason fingerprints all over it. Not sure what the point was, it wasn't a paradigm-shifting event like 911 etc. And it sure got alot of MSM coverage- how often are there catastrophes worldwide, floods etc affecting thousands, that barely make a footnote in the MSM?



Did Netanyahu predict Chile mine collapse 23 years before it happened? (http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/did-netanyahu-predict-chile-mine-collapse-23-years-before-it-happened-1.318929)

In the midst of a successful rescue mission to save 33 Chilean miners, PMO distributes quotes from a book Netanyahu wrote in 1987.

Several months ago, at the 100th birthday celebrations for his father Benzion, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu revealed that the centenarian had predicted the events of September 11, 2001 in the early 1990s. On Wednesday, the Prime Minister's Office announced that Netanyahu himself had predicted the collapse of the Chilean copper and gold mine, where 33 miners had been trapped for 69 days until their ultimate rescue.

MORE (http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/did-netanyahu-predict-chile-mine-collapse-23-years-before-it-happened-1.318929)



Pat, I really appreciate all of your efforts on this board, this much I've expressed to you before. So please take no offense. We have a thread for the Chilean rescue, and we have a lot of threads on 911. While I agree that the connection through the masonic ties are relevant to this thread, the point of this thread is that it is not a "judeo-mason fingerprint" problem, it is a "Satan fingerprint" problem. Reading through the thread will quickly show this. Thanks for the input, but I don't want to derail the thread cutting up one small part of the problem......I want to unwrap the whole pie. Please don't be offended.

[bellevuebully]

[quote=G2Rad ]


Thanks Grad

The whole Rhianna vid thing.....well the thing is she probably didn't write the lyrics (as the commentary suggested) and has no clue of what she's even singing.....or not....who knows.

The point is though, that somebody wrote that content with the intent of a message being reinforced, and that is really the heart of the matter.

ps,,,I did't watch the whole vid, I just caught a bit of it.....will look later.

[PatColo]

bellvue, you're right, I haven't carefully read the thread of explored the various rabbit hole portals posted in the OP & elsewhere. I just saw this as "another mason/chilean-mine thread", which seemed to be getting more traction than the other, and was curious to hear others' feedback on the prophetic Netanyahu story... it didn't catch any traction in the other thread. So if people want to comment on it, go there, it's more on topic, LINK (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/the-odd-masonic-imagery-of-the-33-chilean-miners-rescue/msg128325/#msg128325)

[Filthy Keynes]

The message that Jesus brings is this:

Through our repentance of our sins and through the sacrifice of Jesus and the gift of the Holy Spirit we can be cleansed in our hearts to the point where we WANT and DESIRE to live the life God ordained for us - the way it was intended to be. A life of freedom, liberty, no government, and honest money - but a life where people WANT and DESIRE to live by God's commandments through the Holy Spirit who gives us a conscience.

Look what God wanted for humanity (those 10 commandments were pretty basic, simple and not too hard to follow - easy to read and made sense), and look what humanity chose instead!

1 Samuel 8


4 So all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah. 5 They said to him, "You are old, and your sons do not walk in your ways; now appoint a king to lead us, such as all the other nations have."

6 But when they said, "Give us a king to lead us," this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the LORD. 7 And the LORD told him: "Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. 8 As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. 9 Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do."

10 Samuel told all the words of the LORD to the people who were asking him for a king. 11 He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots. 12 Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. 14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants. 15 He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants. 16 Your menservants and maidservants and the best of your cattle [b] and donkeys he will take for his own use. 17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves. 18 When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day."

19 But the people refused to listen to Samuel. "No!" they said. "We want a king over us. 20 Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles."

21 When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the LORD. 22 The LORD answered, "Listen to them and give them a king."

And there you have it. God is a Libertarian/Anarchist. No human king/government other than the King of Kings (Jesus) - but the people wanted what their neighbours had (coveting they neighbour).

PS: Notice the 10% taxation - it was considered HIGH back then. A MERE TENTH! Look at what we have today (after all the taxes you pay, including property tax, sales tax, income tax, etc.... probably you'd be lucky to keep HALF of what you produce!).

[hoarder]

Every truth about the Christ has been mirrored in a parallel but in counterfit fashion so that the luciferian component can worship Baal while others think they are worshipping Christ. Do you not see this mechanism in the Masonic rite? Freemasonry is dominated by Khazars at the top and loaded with gullible goyim at the bottom. If you have ever looked at the Kol Nidre it's easy to understand Khazars dominate all secret societies. The manipulation of Masons was mentioned in the Protocols 100 years ago.
The argument will never end, is it the Jews, the Khazars, the Masons or Lucifer. Regardless of our point of view, where we find one we find the others. Obviously, someone is using someone else for cover or as blame absorbers.
So I look at it in strategic terms. For example I have stated that there is no strategic value for real Jews to invent Khazars to hide behind, because it gives them no cover. It does, however make strategic sense for Khazars to hide behind Jewish identity.

With this line of thinking, how woud Lucifer benefit by hiding behind Jews or Khazars?

[Filthy Keynes]

Hoarder,

Spend some time and get this 10 part series:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AllwO-ejxGE

Did the Pope KISS the Koran? Why?!

http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/Images/055_popekissesKoran.jpg

[bellevuebully]

bellvue, you're right, I haven't carefully read the thread of explored the various rabbit hole portals posted in the OP & elsewhere. I just saw this as "another mason/chilean-mine thread", which seemed to be getting more traction than the other, and was curious to hear others' feedback on the prophetic Netanyahu story... it didn't catch any traction in the other thread. So if people want to comment on it, go there, it's more on topic, LINK (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/the-odd-masonic-imagery-of-the-33-chilean-miners-rescue/msg128325/#msg128325)


Thanks Pat. It's nice to know there are civil people who respect simple requests. I didn't really expect anything different of you though.

[hoarder]

F.K.,
Veith starts out with how "exclusive" Islam is. I lived in Islamic countries 3 1/2 years.

Sure they exclude non-believers at their sacred rites but one can enter simply by converting.

OTOH, Talmudism is a very secret religion and You nor I can not join or convert under any circumstance other than marrying a Jewish woman and asking for conversion. In such a case they may or may not allow a conversion and if it is allowed you will never be considered "one of them". And rightfully so, because being "one of them" is a matter of ancestry.

Muslims do not acknowledge race.

Rather than ask me to read or watch some long-winded material, if you understand the issues well enough to have an opinion of them you can summarize your thought in a few words.

Personally I think Veith is a Khazar. he looks like one and admits being a former college professor, and Jews own all the colleges. The show seems well done, and we know who owns Hollywood.

[bellevuebully]

The message that Jesus brings is this:

Through our repentance of our sins and through the sacrifice of Jesus and the gift of the Holy Spirit we can be cleansed in our hearts to the point where we WANT and DESIRE to live the life God ordained for us - the way it was intended to be. A life of freedom, liberty, no government, and honest money - but a life where people WANT and DESIRE to live by God's commandments through the Holy Spirit who gives us a conscience.

Look what God wanted for humanity (those 10 commandments were pretty basic, simple and not too hard to follow - easy to read and made sense), and look what humanity chose instead!

1 Samuel 8


4 So all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah. 5 They said to him, "You are old, and your sons do not walk in your ways; now appoint a king to lead us, such as all the other nations have."

6 But when they said, "Give us a king to lead us," this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the LORD. 7 And the LORD told him: "Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. 8 As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. 9 Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do."

10 Samuel told all the words of the LORD to the people who were asking him for a king. 11 He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots. 12 Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. 14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants. 15 He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants. 16 Your menservants and maidservants and the best of your cattle [b] and donkeys he will take for his own use. 17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves. 18 When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day."

19 But the people refused to listen to Samuel. "No!" they said. "We want a king over us. 20 Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles."

21 When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the LORD. 22 The LORD answered, "Listen to them and give them a king."

And there you have it. God is a Libertarian/Anarchist. No human king/government other than the King of Kings (Jesus) - but the people wanted what their neighbours had (coveting they neighbour).

PS: Notice the 10% taxation - it was considered HIGH back then. A MERE TENTH! Look at what we have today (after all the taxes you pay, including property tax, sales tax, income tax, etc.... probably you'd be lucky to keep HALF of what you produce!).



That is a great post FK. Thank you, it did me well to read it.

[Filthy Keynes]

hoarder,

You can watch Veith tell you his testamony here. Just because he's "educated" doesn't mean he's "not smart" - although I often have a hard time putting aside my own personal biases against "higher education" in some subjects, most notably economics. :) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzGa1gPuOtg

[Filthy Keynes]

That is a great post FK. Thank you, it did me well to read it.


Thanks. Jason Hommel pointed that out to me.

[Filthy Keynes]

And the bit about Evangelicals being Luciferian -... well let's just say that there is (was) a growing sect which seduced many Evangelicals, and that sect is known as the leaderless "EMERGING CHURCH MOVEMENT" and also the "LATTER RAIN MOVEMENT". Thankfully it seems to be waning. People like Billy Graham though, are DANGEROUS! He sold his soul.

I really don't like the term "christ" to describe Jesus. The Anti-Christ is going to look a whole lot like what people think Jesus ought to have looked like and he WILL BE THE CHRIST - only he will be the ANTI-christ. Notice Share International does not NAME THE NAME OF JESUS, they only use the term "christ" - that's because their christ is Maitreya. This is the Luciferian Maitreya. But he is NOT Jesus. See how he LOOKS LIKE JESUS, but he is an IMPOSTER.

http://www.spiritualhealing-now.com/image-files/maitreya-new.jpg

http://aquarianchurch.zoomshare.com/files/maitreya001.jpg


From Share International:

Many now expect the return of their awaited Teacher, whether they call him the Christ, Messiah, the fifth Buddha, Krishna, or the Imam Mahdi. Millions now know that the Teacher who fulfills all these expectations is already living among us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cTr34ZnGG0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNCnxA91fHE

[bellevuebully]

[quote=bellevuebully ]

The manipulation of Masons was mentioned in the Protocols 100 years ago.


I'm not going to really continue to debate this with you hoarder, and I'm being respectful here. If you are of the belief that the evidence of 100 years ago is sufficient to explain what is going on in the world today, than my suggestion would be to open your mind up to what led up to the masons. Who handed them down their secrets and mysteries? The Templar Knights were doing the same things many centuries earlier. As were the Gnostics centuries before them. Where did the Khazar's come from, I mean really come from?? I don't have that specific answer, but I would remind you that another of the practicing Kaballists' from our wonderful history, the Jesuits, created legions and revolutions at will. At will. I repeat that for a reason. They cared not what side they were on, even if on both, as long as the oath was served. Sound familiar? I should think it does to you. Why do you think that is. Go and study back several millinia of how the pagan religions were brought down through the ages, veneered with different cover, bent on destroying anything true to the Word of God. The Jesuits had their hand in revolutions the world wide, all to bring power under one man. Sound familiar? I should think it does to you.

Good luck to you in your study, if you so choose to do that.

[Book]

Neither of you apparently knows what the word sacred means, so when you throw an insult at me and my beliefs, you can bet I'm not going to lay down like a rug and and let you make misleading comments.



http://www.museumofconceptualart.com/Jesusisms_vs_Bushisms/images/Turn%20Other%20Cheek.jpg

Didn't Jesus command you to turn your other cheek?

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[Filthy Keynes]

Belleview

Some have postulated that the ancient mystik teachings originated from "Simon Magus" (aka Simon of Gitta aka Simon the Sorcerer), or at least can be traced back to HIM. Where did he get them from? I don't know. :

Also notice that Simon Magus was a MONEY MASTER! Yes a MONEY MASTER!

Simon the Sorcerer


Acts 8:9-24 (King James Version)

9But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:

10To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God.

11And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.

12But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

13Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

14Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

15Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

16(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

17Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

18And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,

19Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.

20But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.

21Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.

22Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.

23For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.

24Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the LORD for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.

Simon Magus confronts Peter with MONEY thinking he could BUY HIS WAY:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Nucci,_Avanzino_-_Petrus'_Auseinandersetzung_mit_Simon_Magus_-_1620.jpg/517px-Nucci,_Avanzino_-_Petrus'_Auseinandersetzung_mit_Simon_Magus_-_1620.jpg

[hoarder]

Where did the Khazar's come from, I mean really come from?? The Khazars came from the area of the Volga River Valley and the Caucasus Mountains. Their history is fairly well documented.
The pictures of Jesuits I have seen had Khazar facial features.

A clever tribe attempting to conquer the world needs shields of deception to hide behind. Entities like Masonry and Jesuits provided such cover. Cui bono? Look who now controls most of the money and information in the world.

I suspect hiding behind Luciferism is designed to distract people who think in terms of good and evil rather than strategic terms.

[Filthy Keynes]

Rather than ask me to read or watch some long-winded material, if you understand the issues well enough to have an opinion of them you can summarize your thought in a few words.


The Jewish mystics (Talmidim) got it from Simon Magus. The Knights Templars got their secrets from the people who lived in and around the area of Jerusalem (Mesopotamia) which also spread to Babylon (or it came from Babylon). Freemasonry is the "protestant" arm of the Jesuit Order - well.. not really protestant, but designed to absorb protestants. The wife of Muhammed was a Jesuit Catholic who wanted to spread the mystic religion. Modern Evangelicalism has been infiltrated with the evangelistic arm of the Catholic church (who says they don't evangelize?!) in the form of the Emerging Church.

That's a summary.

My own personal hunch is that the Nephilim gave WOMEN the secrets in exchange for sex with them.

That's the summary.

Where did the Nephilim come from? You have the read the book of Enoch to get that. They were Lucifer's "angels". It's right there in the book. It even names the top leaders by name.

[bellevuebully]

Neither of you apparently knows what the word sacred means, so when you throw an insult at me and my beliefs, you can bet I'm not going to lay down like a rug and and let you make misleading comments.



http://www.museumofconceptualart.com/Jesusisms_vs_Bushisms/images/Turn%20Other%20Cheek.jpg

Didn't Jesus command you to turn your other cheek?

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Book. Thats a fine picture. Did you colour that all by yourself? Good boy.

[Filthy Keynes]

Hoarder,

When you say "Khazars" are we talking the same as Kabbalistic Jews?

[hoarder]

Modern Evangelicalism


Modern Evangelicalism is on teevee, and we already know who controls teevee.

[Book]

Book. Thats a fine picture. Did you colour that all by yourself? Good boy.



http://www.museumofconceptualart.com/Jesusisms_vs_Bushisms/images/Love%20Your%20Enemies.jpg

Always nice to see a "Christian" turning the other cheek and spreading that Jesus love.

Know any?

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[hoarder]

Hoarder,

When you say "Khazars" are we talking the same as Kabbalistic Jews?
Khazars, which now comprise at least 90% of what we know as "Jews", are descendants of the Khazars from a region more than a thousand miles from Israel and do not share any ancestry with Abraham. They are not "The Seed of Abraham".
They converted to Judaisim en masse about 1200 years ago (a strategic move) and have been calling themselves "Jews" ever since. This was the only mass conversion in Jewish history. They slammed the door shut after they got in.
You can't convert to a race. "Jews" are a race, but they aren't Jewish.
Khazars are also known as AshkeNAZI Jews. They are the Master Race and have an average IQ 15 points higher than any other race.

[Filthy Keynes]

Modern Evangelicalism


Modern Evangelicalism is on teevee, and we already know who controls teevee.


Trust me, I don't get it all from Veith, but he's ALL OVER THIS STUFF. If you want to know more about "Modern Evangelicalism" then check this out:

by the way, I spent probably thousands of hours researching all this in my "spare time". I used to stay up until 3am researching. I have found that the must succinct, digestible, lazy-way for people to get a glimpse is often Veith. I do not agree with absolutely everything in all his videos, but I agree with about 97% of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrmnh7dnx7w

[Filthy Keynes]

They are the Master Race and have an average IQ 15 points higher than any other race.


Oh, ok. I worked with two of them in a software company. One sold some gold in Feb, 2009 (against my advice) and the other had no gold and was a die-hard KEYNESIAN (again against my advice). Therefore they only THINK they are the master race, but they are also deceived. One of them bought a compass thingy to tell which way is Jerusalem. They had the darndest time figuring it out. So I figured it out for them. I also knew that NORTH was not the way to Jerusalem like they had thought (due to iron in the desks at work).

So they aren't the master race and they aren't any smarter than you or me. :)

Actually I think they figured out that a laptop transformer was "distorting" their compass. I just let them go outside and do their thing at sundown. Didn't bother me much. :)

[hoarder]

Trust me, I don't get it all from Veith, but he's ALL OVER THIS STUFF.
That's exactly what controlled opposition does, though. Speaking on a subject does not indicate sincerity. The Rothschilds have hundreds of front men filling all voids ahead of time to prevent any real damage. The tell you a few things that are true, that you would find out anyway, just to prevent key truths from being told and to sell a little lie here and there.

[hoarder]

They are the Master Race and have an average IQ 15 points higher than any other race.


Oh, ok. I worked with two of them in a software company. One sold some gold in Feb, 2009 (against my advice) and the other had no gold and was a die-hard KEYNESIAN (again against my advice). Therefore they only THINK they are the master race, but they are also deceived. One of them bought a compass thingy to tell which way is Jerusalem. They had the darndest time figuring it out. So I figured it out for them. I also knew that NORTH was not the way to Jerusalem like they had thought (due to iron in the desks at work).

So they aren't the master race and they aren't any smarter than you or me. :)
Having an average IQ 15 points higher than any other group does not mean all of the are smart. Some are dumb as a rock. It doesn't matter, they are not the ones in charge.

[Filthy Keynes]

Trust me, I don't get it all from Veith, but he's ALL OVER THIS STUFF.
That's exactly what controlled opposition does, though. Speaking on a subject does not indicate sincerity. The Rothschilds have hundreds of front men filling all voids ahead of time to prevent any real damage. The tell you a few things that are true, that you would find out anyway, just to prevent key truths from being told and to sell a little lie here and there.


Maybe I really AM fithy Keynes in disguise! hahhaha

Oh, did you know that John (the raper of humanity) Mynard Keynes was a homosexual? It figures - always trying to push the envelope of what is "normal" or even "natural". If someone is willing to have "unnatural" sex with another man, then it's not too hard to imagine that person endorsing an "unnatural" money system.

[G2Rad]

And there you have it. God is a Libertarian/Anarchist. No human king/government other than the King of Kings (Jesus)


as for God being a Libertarian/Anarchist,

keynes, belevubilly, please consider these old videos from the collection of our GIM old-timer StreetsOfGold

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeGVpl5WJjw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCf2QCwSNTY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5F1LHVZIBA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmYolvuuFsg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUywKzdMI_k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VfDL8lOY3A

[Filthy Keynes]

I'll check them out.

[G2Rad]

Always nice to see a "Christian" turning the other cheek and spreading that Jesus love.

Know any?


Exactly! you got the point.
Those Evangelicals that I know are all "warriors" they are aint no lambs.
That includes ancient grandmas. I don't know how that is not feminism.
Christ did not fight for now because His Kingdom is not of this world
compare that to Evangelicals who are fetching ammo for the middle east war mashine

[Horn]

So, what does sacred mean?.........'something worthy of spiritual consideration'........<<<<see that......it doesn't say you MUST accept or PROVEN to be written by the hand of God......it says 'worthy of spiritual consideration'. Would you not consider the ancient writings and texts of the world's history worthy of spriritual consideration?? I mean, these writings have led to millions upon millions of deaths and centuries upon centuries of conquest and destruction. Discounting them as a source for insight would be foolish, imo.

Horn, in the future, don't play word games with me and then act surprised when I call you on it. Or at least, say what you mean and mean what you say. I don't have any time it.


What we have here is failure to communicate.... he wants, he gets.

What's so "sacred" about war?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWaqtG9eRgA

[Awoke]

Sections of this thread keep disappearing.

[bellevuebully]

Book. Thats a fine picture. Did you colour that all by yourself? Good boy.



http://www.museumofconceptualart.com/Jesusisms_vs_Bushisms/images/Love%20Your%20Enemies.jpg

Always nice to see a "Christian" turning the other cheek and spreading that Jesus love.

Know any?


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Book, you are correct in this sentiment. I really should have just passed on your comment. Thanks for helping me see that. I'm sorry for insulting you.

[bellevuebully]

[
What's so "sacred" about war?





Nothing sacred about war. You are either intentionally or mistakenly using the word sacred out of context from the statement I provided to you. I associated it with recovered text, and you injected it in front of the word war. Either a mistake, or you are playing games.

Let me try to be clear.

In terms of the physical world and it's needs.... oil, water, food and land would be considered 'sacred' if the definition was to be changed to 'worthy of physical consideration'. All of these have lead to wars because people, rightly or wrongly, felt they were 'sacred'. The evidence of conflict testifies to the importance of these things in as far as the human experience is concerned.

Likewise, as wars have been a product of conflict because of opposing views on the said texts, would that not indicate that there be some importance involved in them for the human (spiritual) experience as well?

Horn, you have a different way of posting. I don't know if it is a cultural/language thing, or an intentional way of digging others. I'm obviously not the only one here who feels that way (going back into some post history). I have taken time to respond to you genuinley. Please show me the same consideration, otherwise I will cease to waste my time, if in fact, you are trying to do the same.

[Horn]

The original premise of any of these so called "sacred" texts (and their contents) is of, or pertaining to war.

Paying homage to it from them from get go.

God wants war, he gets it thru the text scribed by men.

What he wants, he gets.

And yes, these are serious games, war games.

No need to take them personally, bully.

Thereby remaining civil.

[bellevuebully]

The original premise of any of these so called "sacred" texts (and their contents) is of, or pertaining to war.

Paying homage to it from them from get go.

God wants war, he gets it thru the text scribed by men.

What he wants, he gets.

And yes, these are serious games, war games.

No need to take them personally, bully.


If you think the war on earth is serious, you should ponder the war in heaven, the war for our minds, and for our souls.

Thanks for the response...it better describes your position. While I don't agree, I respect your position.

Have a good day Horn.

[Filthy Keynes]

Horn has been to too many Gn' F'n R's concerts. If you want to be a Mr Brownstone you'll be left out in the cold November rain.

http://nkk.altervista.org/gnr/immagini/gnfnrs.jpg

[bellevuebully]

Horn has been to too many Gn' F'n R's concerts. If you want to be a Mr Brownstone you'll be left out in the cold November rain.


I realize you are using parallels, but I don't know what you are implying......I have no idea what a mr. Brownstone means.

[Horn]

If you think the war on earth is serious, you should ponder the war in heaven, the war for our minds, and for our souls.


By ascribing exclusion from the text, is course one for me.

When that time comes for battle, I hope for the strategic ability to rise above it.

[Horn]

Horn has been to too many Gn' F'n R's concerts. If you want to be a Mr Brownstone you'll be left out in the cold November rain.


http://tcritic.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/born-to-fist2.jpg

[Filthy Keynes]

Horn has been to too many Gn' F'n R's concerts. If you want to be a Mr Brownstone you'll be left out in the cold November rain.


I realize you are using parallels, but I don't know what you are implying......I have no idea what a mr. Brownstone means.


Oh sorry, that was meant for Horn, not you. It's a play on words of Guns N' Roses songs :)

[MAGNES]

The Jewish mystics (Talmidim) got it from Simon Magus 1 . 2 The Knights Templars got their secrets from the people who lived in and around the area of Jerusalem (Mesopotamia) which also spread to Babylon (or it came from Babylon) [ + most likely, or from same people moving around ] . Freemasonry is the "protestant" 3 arm of the Jesuit Order 4- well.. not really protestant, but designed to absorb protestants. The wife of Muhammed was a Jesuit Catholic 5 who wanted to spread the mystic religion. Modern Evangelicalism 6 has been infiltrated with the evangelistic arm of the Catholic church (who says they don't evangelize?!) in the form of the Emerging Church. 7 [ ? ? ? ]



First of all you are all over the place, I don't pretend to have answers,
as far as the Templars, "freemasonry" does not come from them,
that is nonsense IMO sold to people in books, the common denominator
in everything is the " Pharisees " and their followers, that is where you will
find the truth, you pointed to this yourself , key words .

A key word a scholar from GIM, BlueMidnight, way ahead of all of us.
" oriental depotism " describes it perfectly, operating through deceit, waging war.

As far as the paragraph I quoted and everything you threw in,
it doesn't even pass the common sense test/smell test.
See the numbers.

Albert Pike is basically the inventor/writer of "freemasonry"
in the USA, he put the Kahballah/JewOccult it seems in it. IMO
Working for Rothchilds. Whose ancestors/partners brought some version
or invention of it to England from Venice. Basically a secret society
with strong monopolization and communication infiltration skills,
corruptors, anti christian, anti establishment, covert war on society,
nobody knows exactly what was believed and sold to the lower masses
over the years, Templars were maybe parasited
like everyone else, who knows what they believed hidden by top, nobody knows,
same thing with Jesuits, even the Church, same thing, parasited,
corrupted. Templars did great works, one reason to smear them too,
they evolved and became too powerful, they helped save Europe.
My sources are many, like Tarpley and the banking class,
they were always the banking class and they destroyed Europe.
Allegory of this is in LOTR and it is no accident the images are
there, long before I knew of "freemasonry" I recognized parts of
the allegory, now I recgonise the complete allegory, even the
director gives it away, part of it in his bonus CD, see EM too
on this, yes Eustace Mullins.

In the end the details of history do not matter cause we
can understand the monster better today and it's operations.
The Federal Reserve is the BEAST SYSTEM, creators, partners.
CFR, WTO, UN, EU, NATO, and on and on. This fits well with
Tarpley and EM, WildCard's sig, that is where the truth is.

[woodman]

Hoarder,

When you say "Khazars" are we talking the same as Kabbalistic Jews?
Khazars, which now comprise at least 90% of what we know as "Jews", are descendants of the Khazars from a region more than a thousand miles from Israel and do not share any ancestry with Abraham. They are not "The Seed of Abraham".
They converted to Judaisim en masse about 1200 years ago (a strategic move) and have been calling themselves "Jews" ever since. This was the only mass conversion in Jewish history. They slammed the door shut after they got in.
You can't convert to a race. "Jews" are a race, but they aren't Jewish.
Khazars are also known as AshkeNAZI Jews. They are the Master Race and have an average IQ 15 points higher than any other race.


Hoarder, I see this quoted all the time; How the Khazars are so intelligent. You call them a race yet they are almost indistinguishable from any other white people except for certain tendencies toward sloping forheads and arching noses. Traits can be found amongst most nationalities. For instance it is common for Italians to have dark hair and olive skin and noses with a high arch. Are they a different race? I'm not sure myself that Khazar Jews are a different race from the rest of us whites. I just don't know. As for the intelligence aspect: I do not believe Jews are any smarter than the Scandinavians for example. It is true that Jews are focused and indoctrinated from a young age, therefore they may test better than the typical white but this is just a cultural trait and certainly not a genetic factor.

If the Jews test well, that is not an indication of genetic superiority in my view but one of cultural focus. I also object to them being called the 'master race'. They may hold the upper hand and control us far beyond their numerical representation would call for but again this is a matter of culture and I believe that calling them a master race is a defeatist mentality.

I went to boarding school with many Jews and I found them to be no more intelligent than the rest of us. They were focused. They were mentored. They have cohesion. They have cultivated a mentality of belonging to a higher order but this does not make them our betters in any way.

To coalesce my thinking: Take a population of Scandinavians and give them a will to exceed and give them a focus on scholarly traits and a leant toward having to outperform others as a matter of group integrity and I think they may well outperfom your master race on said tests developed and administered by this same master race.

If you think Jews are genetically superior to the rest of us, I think you are wrong and are living under a defeatist delusion.

[hoarder]

You call them a race yet they are almost indistinguishable from any other white people except for certain tendencies toward sloping forheads and arching noses.
To me, the concept of race is similar to the concept of common ancestry, just like family. Khazars do look very similar to White Europeans and could easily have assimilated with them if they wanted to.
They don't want to. They have great pride in their gene pool and try to keep it as clean as possible.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060117083446.htm

If you think Jews are genetically superior to the rest of us, I think you are wrong and are living under a defeatist delusion.
I don't have a defeatest mentality at all. Know your enemy. It doesn't mean we have to give up. Do not be in denial. For some people it's constructive to lie to themselves, I guess, they call it "attitude". I have an "attitude" without lying to myself.

Races are different. They can't be different without being inferior and superior in some ways.

Khazars have projected themselves on Germans. Well surprise, surprise! Look who is really the Master Race.

[Book]

I'm sorry for insulting you.



We cool.

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[woodman]

To me, the concept of race is similar to the concept of common ancestry, just like family. Khazars do look very similar to White Europeans and could easily have assimilated with them if they wanted to.
They don't want to. They have great pride in their gene pool and try to keep it as clean as possible.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060117083446.htm


It is possible even, that they have been practicing selective breeding amongst themselves in an attempt to 'become' superior. It has failed I believe. The Nazis got their 'master race' mentality from somewhere. Whether it was in response to the Jewish mentality or fostered cryptically through the Jewish creation and control of the Nazi party is open to debate. I have reffered to them as our masters before but it should be understood that they are in no way a 'master race'. Sure they own everything through their rotten usury and nepotism. It is only by hook and crook that they have established themselves at the top. They have poisoned us with flouride, lead and mercury and enthralled our minds through public school indoctrination and media shadowplay. They are more of a disease than a 'master race'.

So how do we bolster an immune response to this plague? This parasitic infection?
We do it by teaching those around us the truth. Every aspect of it. You have done much, but the truth comes in flavors and we should not ascribe to the notion that they are inherantly more capable than we are; a master race; for that is an untruth that strikes the palate of truth in a distatefull manner.



I don't have a defeatest mentality at all. Know your enemy. It doesn't mean we have to give up. Do not be in denial. For some people it's constructive to lie to themselves, I guess, they call it "attitude". I have an "attitude" without lying to myself.

Races are different. They can't be different without being inferior and superior in some ways.

Khazars have projected themselves on Germans. Well surprise, surprise! Look who is really the Master Race.


Lying to oneself is always a recipe for defeat. As is the assumption of superiority to ones enemy. Do not overestimate nor underestimate but see them for what they are. We must see ourselves in the same light of naked truth. We are every bit as capable.

As I said, I went to school with them and I simply don't believe they are smarter than a similar population of Northern Europeans. It is cetainly true that genetic make-up is responsible for any number of traits, intelligence (the ability to deal with complexity is a good measure of such) is one.

To believe that the Jews are superior is likely to foster the notion that they are in their rightfull place and maybe have justification for their rapacious behavior. They aren't and they don't.

They are only our masters because they are masters of deception. Just like a Lyme infection they are able to insinuate themselves into the body and fool the white blood cells. They are masters of highjacking the cellular machinery in a grotesque display of Janissarial trickery. Tlhey must be astute students of parasitology.

I am not at odds with you, as I greatly respect your knowledge and ability to pass it on. I simply think we should not ascribe to the Jews an illusion of genetic superiority as it is untrue and counterproductive.

We are at war. We must remember the enemies motto: "By way of deceit....."

[hoarder]

The Nazis got their 'master race' mentality from somewhere. From their Jewish leaders. It was purely a projection. There were no minorities in Germany for them to feel superior to.

So how do we bolster an immune response to this plague? 1) Expose them. 2) We have greater numbers. 3)ANY race can practice eugenics.
As I said, I went to school with them and I simply don't believe they are smarter than a similar population of Northern Europeans. Just because their average IQ is higher does not mean all of them are smart. Some are dumb. The smarter they are, the less likely they will have much interaction with the goyim. The less intelligent they are, the more likely they interact with goyim.
To believe that the Jews are superior is likely to foster the notion that they are in their rightfull place and maybe have justification for their rapacious behavior."Righfull place" is a Darwinian outlook which does have some merit....to them because it suits them. Blacks in Africa accept the superiority of White people but that does not make them willing subjects. It does not erase the will to struggle or survive.

[Bigjon]

Once upon a time I went to Millington Tennessee and met a young man from NYC who was Jewish. It seems he tested real high on his ap tests and they placed him in electronic school, much to his dismay as he protested to me "I know numbers and I know money and I know bookkeeping, but this electronics crap is impossible, please help me" So I tried to tutor him in the intricacies of electrons, but he just couldn't get it and flunked out. The penalty for flunking out is you have 6 weeks of hard labor working as a mess cook, doing all the jobs the real cooks don't want to do... like keeping the grease traps clean and working from 5 AM to 11 PM.

[Libertarian_Guard]

Once upon a time I went to Millington Tennessee and met a young man from NYC who was Jewish. It seems he tested real high on his ap tests and they placed him in electronic school, much to his dismay as he protested to me "I know numbers and I know money and I know bookkeeping, but this electronics crap is impossible, please help me" So I tried to tutor him in the intricacies of electrons, but he just couldn't get it and flunked out. The penalty for flunking out is you have 6 weeks of hard labor working as a mess cook, doing all the jobs the real cooks don't want to do... like keeping the grease traps clean and working from 5 AM to 11 PM.




This was an odd case.

People that test high enough for placement, typically handle the material.

Ohms law along with the formula for power are H.S. stuff. What else, series or parrell, resistance / voltage drops and a few dozen symbols?

But there is always an exception, perhaps he was spending too much time at the Mermaid Club.

[hoarder]

People that test high enough for placement, typically handle the material.

There are different kinds of intelligence, and I'm sure it varies within the tribe as well. There well may be certain kinds of intellect Jews are not good at. I wish I knew which ones they were. They certainly are acutely aware of our weak areas and know how to maximize any advantage they have.

Mensa and other high IQ orgs state that most types of intellect correlate and that smart people are usually smart in all or most ways. To this I call bullshet. I have witnessed many people including myself who are near genius in some ways and dumb as a rock in others.

[woodman]

People that test high enough for placement, typically handle the material.

There are different kinds of intelligence, and I'm sure it varies within the tribe as well. There well may be certain kinds of intellect Jews are not good at. I wish I knew which ones they were. They certainly are acutely aware of our weak areas and know how to maximize any advantage they have.

Mensa and other high IQ orgs state that most types of intellect correlate and that smart people are usually smart in all or most ways. To this I call bullshet. I have witnessed many people including myself who are near genius in some ways and dumb as a rock in others.


I agree totally. There are many aspects of intelligence. We have all read of idiot savants who can do amazing mathematical feats in their heads or memorize a phone book but cannot tie their own shoe-laces. Memory is great but using it in a coherent fashion is another thing entirely.

How smart are those who are in charge of this planet? Not very. We are destroying our world in myriad ways and all they can think about is how to do more of the same.

[Libertarian_Guard]

People that test high enough for placement, typically handle the material.

There are different kinds of intelligence, and I'm sure it varies within the tribe as well. There well may be certain kinds of intellect Jews are not good at. I wish I knew which ones they were. They certainly are acutely aware of our weak areas and know how to maximize any advantage they have.

Mensa and other high IQ orgs state that most types of intellect correlate and that smart people are usually smart in all or most ways. To this I call bullshet. I have witnessed many people including myself who are near genius in some ways and dumb as a rock in others.


Hoarder

All that I've mentioned was weeded out & sorted out before the end of WWII.

There was and is nothing new under the sun worth mentioning.

It is basic stuff. Either you're in or you're not.

If you have some kind of emotional issues, then fine, as the origional poster mentioned, go wash dishes for 6 weeks.

[Book]

They are only our masters because they are masters of deception.



http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2007/09/17/jamesstewart460.jpg

http://www.post-gazette.com/images4/20061107ho_MrSmith_450.jpg

Woodman hit this one out of the ballpark. Being sneaky and dishonest or trusting and naive is what it boils down to. Goyim have been brainwashed by jew teevee to be naive victims. Being naive is being stupid.

[MAGNES]

My opinion on above discussion, woodman , hoarder .

Nice discussion, IMHO ;D , jews are stupid smart asses, masters of deception,
they teach their children to lie, they monopolize power for themselves,
the talmudd tells them to never tell the truth, to mentor fellow jews at
the expense of better qualified people cause it is their duty, tribal.
To gang up secretly and sheer the goyim.

Inbreeding, amongst themselves , yes . rofl

Turko Mongol Khazars that managed to inbreed with European Man/Russian Steppes, Poland.

Jews really are gypsies in suits.

GYFTOS , common greek word for constantly lying criminals, shysters, theives.

I went to school with all kinds, ie., Chinese are smart, no they are not, what kind of smart ?
Programming yourself to do calculus and well on tests is just one dimension. They cannot
solve problems. Jews are JewJitSu artists, not smarter.

Jews ain't smarter. They definitely ain't better people. What did they build, NOTHING !

What separates European Man from the rest of the planet ?

[Filthy Keynes]

The relevant question is: Are Jews the same as the Israelites who escaped Egypt in the book Exodus?

[Matt TwoFour]

I came across this discussion thread about my online "book" through a bit of googling. I appreciate anyone who is thinking about some of these issues. BBully--thanks a million for the good words. It is a huge shot in the arm to find other folks like myself who have taken the "red pill" so to speak.

As to some of the recent comments in this thread: The whole "Jews are the curse of humanity" idea...a big mistake, in my view. The Good Book (if you happen to believe in it) indicates there is no "Jewish" conspiracy. There is only a satanic conspiracy which advances behind a false Jewish (and false Christian) front.

[Book]

The whole "Jews are the curse of humanity" idea...a big mistake, in my view. The Good Book (if you happen to believe in it) indicates there is no "Jewish" conspiracy.



Your very first post at GSUS.

:D

[bellevuebully]

I came across this discussion thread about my online "book" through a bit of googling. I appreciate anyone who is thinking about some of these issues. BBully--thanks a million for the good words. It is a huge shot in the arm to find other folks like myself who have taken the "red pill" so to speak.

As to some of the recent comments in this thread: The whole "Jews are the curse of humanity" idea...a big mistake, in my view. The Good Book (if you happen to believe in it) indicates there is no "Jewish" conspiracy. There is only a satanic conspiracy which advances behind a false Jewish (and false Christian) front.


You are very welcome and I thank you also, for all of the work you have done. As far as the J/c, I totally agree. Satan is behind every door trying to destroy the authenticity of Jesus and the life he is offering us. I too, have fallen prey to such thinking, but thanks be to Him, I have had the comfort and protection of His Word and His Spirit.

I have also come to the conclusion that the best way to engage in this battle is to keep our focus on Christ. The Spirit is our guide and comforter throught this. Let us be a testimony to His grace, through a faithful walk. In the darkness of the world, nothing is needed more than a city on the hill, to be witnessed and observed by all.

Matt, feel free to pm me. There is much I would like to discuss with you.

[bellevuebully]

The relevant question is: Are Jews the same as the Israelites who escaped Egypt in the book Exodus?


And if you knew the answer to that question, than what is the response?

The relevant question is........will God sort it out at the Judgement? Yes.

[Filthy Keynes]

Romans2:17-29

17Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,

18And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;

19And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,

20An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.

21Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?

22Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?

23Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?

24For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

25For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

26Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

27And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God

So my understanding is that the 'jews' of today (Kazhar/Ashkinazim) are not Jewish.
However the followers of Jesus (Christians) ARE Jewish.

[Filthy Keynes]

Romans 3:21-31

Righteousness Through Faith

21But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement,[i] through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
27Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. 28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. 29Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

[bellevuebully]

So my understanding is that the 'jews' of today (Kazhar/Ashkinazim) are not Jewish.
However the followers of Jesus (Christians) ARE Jewish.




He also states in Rom11:26, that He "will turn ungodliness away from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins."

......I don't think the Lord is quite done with Israel (the people).

[Bigjon]

I came across this discussion thread about my online "book" through a bit of googling. I appreciate anyone who is thinking about some of these issues. BBully--thanks a million for the good words. It is a huge shot in the arm to find other folks like myself who have taken the "red pill" so to speak.

As to some of the recent comments in this thread: The whole "Jews are the curse of humanity" idea...a big mistake, in my view. The Good Book (if you happen to believe in it) indicates there is no "Jewish" conspiracy. There is only a satanic conspiracy which advances behind a false Jewish (and false Christian) front.


Those poor innocent picked on Jews...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYBsDwjezQI

[Awoke]

Where did the Khazar's come from, I mean really come from?? The Khazars came from the area of the Volga River Valley and the Caucasus Mountains. Their history is fairly well documented.
The pictures of Jesuits I have seen had Khazar facial features.

A clever tribe attempting to conquer the world needs shields of deception to hide behind. Entities like Masonry and Jesuits provided such cover. Cui bono? Look who now controls most of the money and information in the world.


I thanked you post because I agree with this portion above.



I suspect hiding behind Luciferism is designed to distract people who think in terms of good and evil rather than strategic terms.


I totally disagree with this part of the post though. The war between Heaven and hell is real. Guard your spirit.





The relevant question is: Are Jews the same as the Israelites who escaped Egypt in the book Exodus?

Put simply, No.
Read "The thirteenth Tribe" by the jew Koestler

[G2Rad]

Former Obama Adviser Arrested On Child Sex Charges...

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/NJ-Congressman-Fires-Aide-Over-Child-Sex-Solicitation-Charges-110436894.html

A New Jersey congressman has fired his chief of staff -- a former Obama aide -- after the aide was arrested in Maryland on a charge of soliciting sex from a minor.

Democratic Rep. Steve Rothman took the action after learning that top aide Robert Decheine was among 11 people snared in a Gaithersburg, Md., police sting. Police placed ads on a website and an undercover officer communicated with customers through phone and text messages.

Police said the 48-year-old was arrested on Nov. 17 after soliciting to have sex with an underage girl. Decheine was released on $15,000 bail. Eleven arrests were made during the operation, which came in phases. First, ads were placed online and an undercover officer began communicating with each "John," according to the Website TMP.

The Record newspaper reports Rothman's office issued a statement saying the New Jersey Democrat considers the alleged criminal act "to be shocking, appalling and indefensible.''

Decheine told the newspaper in an e-mail message he had no comment. Decheine was a senior advisor to the Obama campaign in 2008, according to PolitickerNJ. He previously served as chief of staff to Rep. Bill Luther (D-MN).

Decheine has run Rothmans Washington and New Jersey offices since May 2003.

[Silver Shield]

If good people see good in others then it would be logical they see good on their God.

It is comforting to believe that there is a loving father watching and guiding them.

This gives good people justifications for their actions of continuing to do good knowing they are loved.


It has been said "hurt people, hurt people."

Abuse forms psychotic breaks.

This is how psychopathy has spread through our society with near industrial efficiency.

We are a culture devoid of real human contact, narcissism, lies, devoid of values, and arrogance.

So if people are like this, would it be comforting to believe for them that there is a loving Satan who is in control?

Wouldn't that give justification to continue the abuse they endured?


I have shown how psychopaths are all around us.

Many recognize them as the toxic relationships in our lives.

Google 12 ways to identify a psychopath.

The only way to deal with these hurt people is to cut them out of your personal life.


"There are two people in this world, those that want to be left alone, and others who will not leave you alone. "

So if you cut them out, where do they go?

They never are cured, mainly because they think everyone else is stupid.

The answer is they go to the three power centers where they are surrounded by others like them and they can control others without personal relationships.

NY if they are Financially minded.

DC if they are Politically Minded.

LA if they are Socially minded.

It does not surprise me that the top echelon has created a religion that justifies their actions, it happens all of the time to good people.

But just because you create a religion it does not give you supernatural power.

You only get real power from believing in something so much that you take massive action in your life.

Wheather it is religion, politics, entertainment, finances, or in my case the truth, whatever the mind can conceive and believe, it will acheive.

Don't fear the Luciferians because they have some voodoo power.

Fear them because they are hurt people, hell bent on controlling your life.

Their power does not come from Satan, it comes from fractional reserve banking and usury.

They use the banks to control our media, politics, and our military to control the world so they can never be hurt again.

Without that, they would be just a bunch of psychos running around the woods killing squirrels.



P.S. I just spent literally all day yesterday reading about Luciferians, Khabbalists, Knights of Malta, Masons, Jesiuts, and the like.

I read about symbology in DC and in our media.

I read about Satanic ritual abuse.

I have no doubt these things exist.

What I do doubt is that just because they have these clubs and have these sick acts that does not mean that they have any super powers.

They continue the abuse and they have created a system for hurt people to hurt people.

Our founding fathers gave us a government and a banking system that kept these people in check and rewarded and perpetuated good people.

I also don't like this whole field of knowledge because it is such a waste of time and it makes them more powerful than they really are.

They have no more power to curse you as you have to bless them and turn their lives around.

What they do have is power, which used to be ours.

When I worked on the Academy I stuck with the real world causes of power like banks, wars, culture, and politics.

If you want to change the world, change the way you think.

[Awoke]

Google has scrubbed their database clean if I seach for "Murky News Blog" or any other combination.


Ultra-significant site:
http://themurkynews.blogspot.com/

[Awoke]

This site here compliments the Murky News.

http://palestinecry.blogspot.com/2009/12/occult-signing-devils-horns-primer.html

[Book]

This site here compliments the Murky News.



Quote from that excellent website:


What you have here is the perfect Zionist take over of an Arab nation, done so smoothly, so long ago, secrets enforced so well, that no one knows it, or believes it. The Saudi family embraced the Wahabbi ways through marriage and completely ensnared the gullible tribal people of the deserts to accept this austere version of Islam. Since then, they have ruled the nation using feudal laws and an iron hand. This is not an extreme Muslim nation, it is Talmudic, only the word has not quite become public yet.

Bingo!

[PatColo]

Actually, thinking about this post a little more, it brings up the Scofield issue that has been floated here over the last few days. Creating Christians that were sypathetic to a zionist god-state was whole intention of the Scofield reference bible. They, as you say, invented judeo-christianity, and zionist-christians.

I scroogle'd "scofield bible site:gold-silver.us" and this thread came up. Haven't watched this yet, but Gilad Atzmon points to it (http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/the-roots-of-christian-zionism-how-scofield-sowed-seeds-of-a.html#entry14739221), so it's prolly agreeable, was posted there 4 months ago. 1 hour:

The Roots of Christian Zionism: How Scofield Sowed Seeds of Apostasy (http://vimeo.com/29901084) from WHTT (http://vimeo.com/whtt) on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/).


http://vimeo.com/29901084


Ever wonder why so many Christians support America’s many wars, especially in the Middle East? A new Christianity has emerged from the Twentieth Century called Christian Zionism or what could be called, "Angry Evangelicalism," or "Dispensationalism on Steroids." What motivates a nationally known, evangelical preacher like John Hagee to call for a preemptive strike against Iran when it is contrary to what Jesus taught and commanded his followers to do? This “Roots of Zionism” presentation may be the first of its kind with a factual explanation of how Christianity’s latest apostate epidemic was launched with the publishing of C. I. Scofield's reference Bible in 1909, and the influence of the notes in it. While purposefully reaching and helping many under Christian Zionist influence by featuring its identification and cure, this 2nd edition offers hope to all people, regardless of faith, who may also wish to leave it’s grasp. Film clips include action inside Gaza Strip and a moving interview with Shareen, a young Palestinian woman living in Gaza. Check out our website: whtt.org (http://www.whtt.org/) for the latest news on Christian Zionism and the "Angry" evangelicals. Or listen to our free podcasts at whtt.podbean.com (http://www.whtt.podbean.com/)