Forums To Discuss Legal Issues

[cedarchopper]

I'm in the process of appealing a Municipal Court jury trial that I lost concerning a Failure To Yield Right Of Way alleged traffic offense. I am looking for forums to discuss my case and get some help with the proper forms and procedures. This now goes to District Court.

My first task is to draft and file an Appeal Bond...I'm going to put up the entire amount in cash, so I believe this would be called a Cash Appeal Bond, instead of a Surety Appeal Bond? As a friendly gesture (supposedly), the prosecutor recommended I have a lawyer friend (which I don't have any...all the ones I know charge the hell out of me) look over the language in the Appeal Bond because he said there was some "magic language" that had to be in there. I've got 10 business days from the end of trial to draft and file it (9 days from today).

Anyway, recommendations for legal forums that you think would be helpful would be appreciated.

[chad]

this is probably the best forum for that. everyone here is a legal eagle.

[cedarchopper]

this is probably the best forum for that. everyone here is a legal eagle.


What was it I was supposed to do? Fight the gold fringed flag? ;D

[chad]

this is probably the best forum for that. everyone here is a legal eagle.


What was it I was supposed to do? Fight the gold fringed flag? ;D


tell them you don't have a license plate on the car. that will prove that you have a "free car" that isn't subject to any of their crazy laws. ;)

[sirgonzo420]

http://www.suijurisclub.net/

[Ponce]

Going to court on 1-11-11 for a speeding ticket..........he gave the ticket to the wrong guy because I was by the road putting the hood of my pick up down when he drove past me at 100 mph with all his Christmas lights on........he never got me on video or a photo :oo-->

First post of the day.................good morning to one and all.

[willie pete]

this one is extensive, might get some help here....

http://www.expertlaw.com/forums/forum.php

[Book]

What was it I was supposed to do?



http://benfrank.net/nuke/ftaa112003/011police_brutality2.jpg

Start swinging one of the wooden dildos in your avatar photo because you are a Free Man and refuse to submit to their authority.

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[midnight rambler]

What was it I was supposed to do?



http://benfrank.net/nuke/ftaa112003/011police_brutality2.jpg

Start swinging one of the wooden dildos in your avatar photo because you are a Free Man and refuse to submit to their authority.

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Book: #1 apologist for corporate state thuggery.

[Book]

Book: #1 apologist for corporate state thuggery.



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"...concerning a Failure To Yield Right Of Way alleged traffic offense."

[midnight rambler]

Book: #1 apologist for corporate state thuggery.



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"...concerning a Failure To Yield Right Of Way alleged traffic offense."


In contrast, Book is in head over heels love with misplaced authority over him, he'd be lost without it.


you...refuse to submit to (the Crown Temple's/the banksters') authority.

Book, you're the one who makes asinine comments in support of corporate state thuggery over citations written up on commerce infractions. You're so challenged on the issue that you cannot even begin to explain how a CIVIL offense has a CRIMINAL penalty when in the vast majority of the cases not a living, breathing soul has been harmed.

[Book]

In contrast, Book is in head over heels love with misplaced authority over him, he'd be lost without it.



http://8.media.tumblr.com/3nGjrciqpq6rpkp6jKqyju4Fo1_500.jpg

Post your extensive rebellious Arrest Record from the real world Mr. Internet Tough Guy. The topic of this thread is a traffic ticket...lol.

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[midnight rambler]

In contrast, Book is in head over heels love with misplaced authority over him, he'd be lost without it.



Post your extensive rebellious Arrest Record from the real world Mr. Internet Tough Guy. The topic of this thread is a traffic ticket...lol.

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Exactly.



Book, you're the one who makes asinine comments in support of corporate state thuggery over citations written up on commerce infractions. You're so challenged on the issue that you cannot even begin to explain how a CIVIL offense has a CRIMINAL penalty when in the vast majority of the cases not a living, breathing soul has been harmed.


So kindly tell us how your asinine comments contribute to the discussion.

[Book]

So kindly tell us...



So kindly SHOW US your own extensive rebellious Arrest Record from the real world Mr. Internet Tough Guy.

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[MNeagle]

In contrast, Book is in head over heels love with misplaced authority over him, he'd be lost without it.



http://8.media.tumblr.com/3nGjrciqpq6rpkp6jKqyju4Fo1_500.jpg

Post your extensive rebellious Arrest Record from the real world Mr. Internet Tough Guy. The topic of this thread is a traffic ticket...lol.

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OT; I will be so happy to never see this hairy guy AGAIN!! Yuck!

[midnight rambler]

So kindly tell us...



So kindly SHOW US your own extensive rebellious Arrest Record from the real world Mr. Internet Tough Guy.

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YOU are the one who keeps posting moronic non-constructive comments when someone is trying to have an earnest discussion. Plus you're unable to articulate on the much more important matter of how come CIVIL offenses have CRIMINAL penalties preferring to make things personal (as evidenced by your sick and twisted wooden dildo comment on this thread).

[Book]

you're unable to articulate on the much more important matter of how come CIVIL offenses have CRIMINAL penalties...



Gee...maybe you can "articulate" why this minor traffic ticket (already lost on appeal) deserves it's own thread. "Articulate" why you are trying to make this minor traffic ticket into a "MORE IMPORTANT MATTER" then it is.

NEWS FLASH: This is a minor traffic ticket.

http://www.productioncars.com/send_file.php/rambler_ambassador_4d_black_1965.jpg

Oh...I see...the Midnight Rambler rolls without a license plate with assault weapons in the back seat because you be a Free Man who won't stop for no Police Siren, let alone take your shoes off at the Airport.

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[cedarchopper]

Book keeper, Book keeper...you have your panties all in a twist about me challenging a ticket. It's a principle issue with me because I didn't commit the offense. Plus, I don't mind a battle now and then.

Tell us the truth, somebody pays you to keep all the dossiers...is it the informant fees that keep you going? ;)

[Book]

I'm in the process of appealing a Municipal Court jury trial that I lost concerning a Failure To Yield Right Of Way alleged traffic offense.



http://static.wix.com/media/f4bc26518bbe406602e31514b9ac00b7.wix_mp

Pork Chop Hill was a more worthy waste of time.

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A minor traffic ticket.

You already demanded and received a jury trial. Those people all got a Jury Summons and probably had to take off work. In this economy. Then this jury ruled against you.

How many hours and days have you already wasted on this minor traffic ticket? How many more hours and days do you plan on wasting in that "Legal Forum" on this minor traffic ticket?

[sirgonzo420]

http://static.wix.com/media/f4bc26518bbe406602e31514b9ac00b7.wix_mp

Pork Chop Hill was a more worthy waste of time.

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A minor traffic ticket.

You already demanded and received a jury trial. Those people all got a Jury Summons and probably had to take off work. In this economy. Then this jury ruled against you.

How many hours and days have you already wasted on this minor traffic ticket? How many more hours and days do you plan on wasting in that "Legal Forum" on this minor traffic ticket?





Damn book, just because you may not have principles does not mean others don't.


EDITED TO ADD: ::)

[Book]

Damn book, just because you may not have principles does not mean others don't.



http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/31391997/Hunter%2BS%2BThompson%2Bhunter.jpg

Another internet tough guy who, in real life, immediately stops for the Police Siren and takes his shoes off at the airport.

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[sirgonzo420]

Damn book, just because you may not have principles does not mean others don't.



http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/31391997/Hunter%2BS%2BThompson%2Bhunter.jpg

Another internet tough guy who, in real life, immediately stops for the Police Siren and takes his shoes off at the airport.

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LOL cool assumptions!



(in reality, I don't fall for the "traffic ticket" con anymore, and I haven't been in an airport in years)

[Book]

...in reality, I don't fall for the "traffic ticket" con anymore...



Translation: The judge took away my drivers license.

:D

[cedarchopper]

I'm in the process of appealing a Municipal Court jury trial that I lost concerning a Failure To Yield Right Of Way alleged traffic offense.



Pork Chop Hill was a more worthy waste of time.

:oo-->

A minor traffic ticket.

You already demanded and received a jury trial. Those people all got a Jury Summons and probably had to take off work. In this economy. Then this jury ruled against you.

How many hours and days have you already wasted on this minor traffic ticket? How many more hours and days do you plan on wasting in that "Legal Forum" on this minor traffic ticket?





Book keeper, how many thousands of hours, thousands of posts, and dozens of identities have you invested in monitoring GIM, GIM2, and GSUS over the years? Has it paid off?

[midnight rambler]

Has it paid off?

It's paying off somehow, otherwise there'd be no incentive to put in that much time and effort (unless one suffers from some mental illness).

[Book]

...no incentive to put in that much time and effort...



Mocking the silliness of this thread is the payoff...lol.

:D

[midnight rambler]

...no incentive to put in that much time and effort...



Mocking the silliness of this thread is the payoff...lol.

:D


There's the mental illness.

[sirgonzo420]

...in reality, I don't fall for the "traffic ticket" con anymore...



Translation: The judge took away my drivers license.

:D


No, what I meant was that on the rare occasion that I get a traffic ticket, I fight it until I win.

Not everybody is a pussy who just pays whatever someone tells them to.

[7th trump]

Why do you guys even let book get to you?
We all know what book is. Ignore the socialist/communist. He likes the world just as it is.

[sirgonzo420]

Why do you guys even let book get to you?
We all know what book is. Ignore the socialist/communist. He likes the world just as it is.




Well... fred left, so I need a new sparring buddy!

:D

[Book]

There's the mental illness.



:oo--> Yeah...and you are now encouraging this madness:




I'm in the process of appealing a Municipal Court jury trial that I lost concerning a Failure To Yield Right Of Way alleged traffic offense. I am looking for forums to discuss my case and get some help with the proper forms and procedures. This now goes to District Court.

[Book]

Why do you guys even let book get to you?



http://www.museumofconceptualart.com/Jesusisms_vs_Bushisms/images/Turn%20Other%20Cheek.jpg

Yeah!

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[sirgonzo420]

There's the mental illness.



:oo--> Yeah...and you are now encouraging this madness:




I'm in the process of appealing a Municipal Court jury trial that I lost concerning a Failure To Yield Right Of Way alleged traffic offense. I am looking for forums to discuss my case and get some help with the proper forms and procedures. This now goes to District Court.




Yes, the legal system is madness, and cedarchopper is being a man of principle and standing up against it, even though it's insignificant to you and you mock him for it.

[Book]

I fight it until I win.



Yeah...people here tell me all the time that I am too passive and shouldn't let others push me around. I need to be more like you...lol.

:D

[Neuro]

It is a way to put sticks in the wheel of the rulers machine at least...

[sirgonzo420]

Why do you guys even let book get to you?



http://www.museumofconceptualart.com/Jesusisms_vs_Bushisms/images/Turn%20Other%20Cheek.jpg

Yeah!

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I'm not a Christian, but ole Jay Cee also said something about selling your robe to buy a sword if you didn't already have a sword.

And he kicked some bankster ass in his day as well.

[midnight rambler]

There's the mental illness.



:oo--> Yeah...and you are now encouraging this madness:




I'm in the process of appealing a Municipal Court jury trial that I lost concerning a Failure To Yield Right Of Way alleged traffic offense. I am looking for forums to discuss my case and get some help with the proper forms and procedures. This now goes to District Court.




If more people quit acting like sheep that enjoy being sodomized and lawfully challenged everything that the corporate state thugs do which are without any question UNLAWFUL then the entire system would implode because the corporate state doesn't have the resources to handle everyone challenging them.


you...refuse to submit to their authority

How funny. There are only two possibilities here: Book is unable to comprehend what he posted, or he's a shill for the banksters and their funkies.

[Book]

...cedarchopper is being a man of principle and standing up against it...



http://globalcitizenblog.com/wp-content/uploads/globalcitizen/Don_Quixote.jpg

Follow him in his Quest...lol.

:D

[sirgonzo420]

I fight it until I win.



Yeah...people here tell me all the time that I am too passive and shouldn't let others push me around. I need to be more like you...lol.

:D


Well you did post a picture in which you referred to yourself as a "small dick sissy loser"!

http://gold-silver.us/forum/equipment-and-supplies/two-flashlights-jetbeam-rrt-0-and-zebralight-h501/msg84846/#msg84846

:D

[Book]

There are only two possibilities here...



http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/par40abig.jpg

You must be exhausted fighting with the Police and getting tasered and tear-gassed just trying to remain a Free Man this afternoon...lol.

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[Book]

Well you did post a picture in which you referred to yourself as...



http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/31391997/Hunter%2BS%2BThompson%2Bhunter.jpg

This camera angle intentionally makes you look like you have a larger caliber than the actual .22 you are holding with both hands...lol.

:D

[midnight rambler]

Well you did post a picture in which you referred to yourself as...



http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/31391997/Hunter%2BS%2BThompson%2Bhunter.jpg

This camera angle intentionally makes you look like you have a larger caliber than the actual .22 you are holding with both hands...lol.

:D


Anyone who knows anything about guns, much less Dirty Harry fans, can identify a Model 29 S&W. I think from this asinine comment by Book it's a safe bet he's doesn't know the first thing about guns, so he's unlikely to own any preferring that the state hold a monopoly on force. Big surprise.

http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/images/Smith_44_magnum/smith_wesson_44mag_10.jpg

[palani]

Anyway, recommendations for legal forums that you think would be helpful would be appreciated.




www.adventuresinlegalland.com

www.creditorsincommerce.com

http://ticketslayer.com/

www.1215.org

http://www.jurisdictionary.com/

Take your pick. They all have good information. The education you get to provide yourself.

[gunDriller]

http://www.findlaw.com/

used to be a GREAT legal site.

also, maybe, the legal section at Craigslist -
http://www.craigslist.org/forums/?forumID=73

[sirgonzo420]

...cedarchopper is being a man of principle and standing up against it...



http://globalcitizenblog.com/wp-content/uploads/globalcitizen/Don_Quixote.jpg

Follow him in his Quest...lol.

:D


Yeah, but I bet those windmills don't talk shit anymore...

:)

[cedarchopper]

...no incentive to put in that much time and effort...



Mocking the silliness of this thread is the payoff...lol.

:D


Mocking the silliness of this thread? Thanks to the contributions of many on this thread, I now have an abundance of links to explore, have joined two forums (suijuris and Legal Help) and received a PM from a helpful member who gave me a contact for assistance in getting the proper forms...that is what you call productive help...unlike your weasel like ankle nipping.

I live in a small town and cops have to respect you. When they know that they will be held accountable when dealing with you, they are more likely to either not want to mess with you, or will be on their best official behavior if there is contact.

Both the Prosecutor and the Judge told me I put on good case...and that it could have gone either way. After the verdict was read and the fine accessed, I gave my notice of appeal. We all shook hands and they all wished me luck...including the cop. I actually think they enjoyed the case...except for the cop, who was red part of time and uncomfortable.

Now, I also have a great witness for my appeal...someone very popular, well known (newspaper columnist and church employee), beautiful, smart...and totally on my side ;] She will testify to all the trial facts and material misrepresentations. So, now it will be my testimony, the video, and my witness...I like my odds now :]

[Book]

After the verdict was read and the fine accessed, I gave my notice of appeal...I actually think they enjoyed the case...except for the cop, who was red part of time and uncomfortable.



I'll bet the jury, who decided against you, really enjoyed getting that Jury Summons and missing a day of work (in this economy) over your minor traffic ticket...lol.

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[7th trump]

After the verdict was read and the fine accessed, I gave my notice of appeal...I actually think they enjoyed the case...except for the cop, who was red part of time and uncomfortable.



I'll bet the jury, who decided against you, really enjoyed getting that Jury Summons and missing a day of work (in this economy) over your minor traffic ticket...lol.

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Doesnt matter if they enjoyed a day away from work. They volunteered the possibility of jury duty when signing up for government handouts. Its their socialist duty.

[cedarchopper]

After the verdict was read and the fine accessed, I gave my notice of appeal...I actually think they enjoyed the case...except for the cop, who was red part of time and uncomfortable.



I'll bet the jury, who decided against you, really enjoyed getting that Jury Summons and missing a day of work (in this economy) over your minor traffic ticket...lol.

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Book keeper, there is no such thing as a minor legal issue, it a system of record keeping with cumulative severity...with one ticket on your record, a second one becomes much more serious and punitive. When I interface with any government entity, I leave no loose ends.

I like how you are so concerned with people summoned to serve on juries...so altruistic of you. :oo-->

[sirgonzo420]

After the verdict was read and the fine accessed, I gave my notice of appeal...I actually think they enjoyed the case...except for the cop, who was red part of time and uncomfortable.



I'll bet the jury, who decided against you, really enjoyed getting that Jury Summons and missing a day of work (in this economy) over your minor traffic ticket...lol.

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I agree with book on this.... the jury probably didn't particularly care to be there.

[cedarchopper]

After the verdict was read and the fine accessed, I gave my notice of appeal...I actually think they enjoyed the case...except for the cop, who was red part of time and uncomfortable.



I'll bet the jury, who decided against you, really enjoyed getting that Jury Summons and missing a day of work (in this economy) over your minor traffic ticket...lol.

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I agree with book on this.... the jury probably didn't particularly care to be there.


Not true...they were all smiling when they got picked and stepped up to the jury box. They felt important...plus they got a little stipend and probably still got paid at their jobs, if nothing else, it broke the monotony of their week.

[Joe King]

It is a way to put sticks in the wheel of the rulers machine at least...
Exactly. Everyone who gets a ticket should at least try to fight it.

The worst that can happen is that you still have to pay it, but still have put it off for awhile.
The best that can happen is that you don't have to pay it at all.

Either way it buys you time and ties them up.


;D

[Book]

Exactly. Everyone who gets a ticket should at least try to fight it.



http://www.moviemobsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/braveheart460.jpg

Yeah...that movie was sooooooooooooooooooooooo inspiring. No wonder real court cases are bogged down for years in America and The People must resort to going before Judge Jewdy to get justice...lol.

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http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/blackhawks-confidential/judge-judy.jpg

[cedarchopper]

Exactly. Everyone who gets a ticket should at least try to fight it.




Yeah...that movie was sooooooooooooooooooooooo inspiring. No wonder real court cases are bogged down for years in America and The People must resort to going before Judge Jewdy to get justice...lol.

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Does the court backlog have some personal impact on you, Book keeper? :lol

[Mouse]

The inconvenience to the jurors is the point, mr. Book. If you cost the system way more than they collect from you, eventually the system will wise up or go BK. I think chopper should take this thing to the supreme court if HE has the time and conviction to do so. The more you waste the systems' time, the quicker it will die. Starve them, bankrupt them, run them in circles until they puke. Even if you lose, you get the joy of knowing you wasted so many resources and destroyed so much productivity, that, in a small town, you are unlikely to be fucked with again for small change.

Screw them and their system. Make it impossible to collect your $200 bucks without spending 5k, then give em there 200 bucks and laugh in their face.

[Bigjon]

http://www.state-citizen.org/


What the visitor will find here is little known legal history about the people of this country that is not taught in the public schools nor for that matter in law school as part of the general curriculum.

MISSION STATEMENT

Mr. McDonald is dedicated to educating the visitor about their secured rights and how to defend them effectively by focusing on the common "traffic ticket". No one likes being pulled over and being issued a NOTICE TO APPEAR for some alleged violation of the Vehicle Code. The knowledge one has regarding "how to" deal with the common "traffic ticket" will provide the accused with all the basic legal knowledge to deal with virtually any legal matter, this is because elements of law are generally the same no matter what the allegation.

Sublata causa tollitur effectus.
Remove the cause and the effect will cease. 2 Bl. Com. 203.

Sublato fundamento cadit opus.
Remove the foundation, the structure or work fall.

http://section520.org/lawlectures.html

[Fortyone]

Why do you guys even let book get to you?
We all know what book is. Ignore the socialist/communist. He likes the world just as it is.




Well... fred left, so I need a new sparring buddy!

:D



In other words, no one left to stir shit with?Is that your point?lol

[sirgonzo420]

Why do you guys even let book get to you?
We all know what book is. Ignore the socialist/communist. He likes the world just as it is.




Well... fred left, so I need a new sparring buddy!

:D



In other words, no one left to stir sh*t with?Is that your point?lol


Fred wasn't the only person who stirred shit.... book stirs his share from time to time.

Some people like to have lively debate and discussions and not just sit around in a Hitler-loving, nazi circle jerk.

[mrnhtbr2232]

Hey Cedarchopper: principles are worth defending - that's what this country's ethic is all about. If you truly feel you're in the right, it should not matter how far you have to go in attempting to prove it. Good for you.