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Twisted Titan
21st October 2010, 02:29 PM
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Say-goodbye-to-traditional-apf-1888087707.html?x=0




Free checking as we know it is ending.

The days when you could walk into a bank branch and open an account with no charges and no strings attached appear to be over. Now you have to jump through some hoops -- keep a high balance, use direct deposit or swipe your debit card several times a month.

One new account at Bank of America charges $8.95 per month if you want to bank with a teller or get a paper statement.

Almost all of the largest U.S. banks are either already making free checking much more difficult to get or expected to do so soon, with fees on even basic banking services.

It's happening because a raft of new laws enacted in the past year, including the financial overhaul package, have led to an acute shrinking of revenue for the banks. So they are scraping together money however they can.

Bank of America, which does business with half the households in America, announced a dramatic shift Tuesday in how it does business with customers. One key change: Free checking, a mainstay of American banking in recent years, will be nearly unheard of.

"I've seen more regulation in last 30 months than in last 30 years," said Robert Hammer, CEO of RK Hammer, a bank advisory firm. "The bottom line for banks is shifting enormously, swiftly and deeply, and they're not going to sit by twiddling their thumbs. They're going to change."

In the last year, lawmakers in Washington have passed a range of new laws aimed at protecting bank customers from harsh fees, like the $35 charged to some Bank of America customers who overdrafted their account by buying something small like a Starbucks latte.

These and other fees were extremely lucrative. According to financial services firm Sandler O'Neill, they made up 12 percent of Bank of America's revenue. On Tuesday, the bank took a $10.4 billion charge to its third-quarter earnings because the new regulations limit fees the bank can collect when retailers accept debit cards.

Bank of America CEO Brian Moynihan acknowledged in a conference call that overdraft fees were generating a lot of income. But the bank was also losing customers who were often taken aback by the high hidden fees.

Checking accounts were being closed at an annual rate of 18 percent, he said, and complaints were at an all-time high.

So Moynihan ended overdraft charges on small debit card transactions. He says the rate of account closings have since dropped 27 percent.

To make up for lost fees, he also started thinking of new products. In August, the bank introduced a new "eBanking" account, where customers were offered a free checking account if they banked online. The catch: If they opt for paper statements, or want access to tellers for basic transactions, they would be charged a monthly fee of $8.95.

"Customers never had free checking accounts," Bank of America spokeswoman Anne Pace said. "They always paid for it in other ways, sometimes with penalty fees."

This summer, Bank of America also started offering "emergency cash" for a $35 fee to customers who went to the ATM for withdrawals that would exceed their bank balance. Moynihan said 50 percent of these customers opted to go ahead with the fee.

"We are now in an era where consumers will be buying products from banks, even if it's a checking account," said Brian Riley, senior research director for bank card practice at consultant TowerGroup. He noted that several banks have started charging $7.50 for paper statements.

"Paper and print costs around $2.25, add postage to that, and if banks are losing income from other avenues, someone has to pay for it," said Riley.

Economic research firm Moebs Services says free checking usage has been steadily rising in recent years before falling this year. Last year 81.5 percent of U.S. banking customers had free checking, but that fell to 72.5 percent this year.

Large banks are also under additional pressure because of curbs from new laws on high-risk trades with complex derivatives. Their trading desks have been large revenue and profit generators for banks in recent years.

Michael Moebs, the founder of Moebs Services, said it is now up to the smaller Main Street banks to see an opening and grab customers from the big banks.

"Free checking could become a mainstay of community banks and credit unions in the future," Moebs said.

Ponce
21st October 2010, 02:36 PM
Said bye bye to BofA when they charged me (or tried to) $29.95 for use of my credit card.

Serpo
21st October 2010, 02:39 PM
But, but the poor banks they need this money ,they are doing it tough and have run out of ways to fleece us,remember they only got about a trill from tarp, have some compassion.

General of Darkness
21st October 2010, 02:48 PM
BofA charges me $6 bucks when I make an online mortgage payment the bastards.

sirgonzo420
21st October 2010, 02:51 PM
BofA charges me $6 bucks when I make an online mortgage payment the bastards.


So?

Stop paying.


And if they start getting shitty with you, tell them to show you the fucking note.

basplaer
21st October 2010, 03:13 PM
BofA charges me $6 bucks when I make an online mortgage payment the bastards.

Ha! Wells Faggo wants 12 or $15 for the same service so I send them an e-check from my free BoA checking account.

Book
21st October 2010, 06:05 PM
Do I still get a free toaster when I open an account?

:D

Quixote2
21st October 2010, 06:41 PM
Join a Credit Union.

still afloat
21st October 2010, 06:44 PM
Do I still get a free toaster when I open an account?

:D


No free toaster , but you will still get burned in the end .

platinumdude
21st October 2010, 08:43 PM
BofA charges me $6 bucks when I make an online mortgage payment the bastards.

Ha! Wells Faggo wants 12 or $15 for the same service so I send them an e-check from my free BoA checking account.


Mines is free. Well with my mortgage being going to be paid off real real shortly it won't matter if they try to add that in the future.

What my credit union wants if for me to opt-in for overdraft coverage. Where if you don't have enough money in checking and you try to use your atm card, instead of getting denied, you will get the cash plus be charged $35 for the overdraft.

Ash_Williams
22nd October 2010, 05:07 AM
This summer, Bank of America also started offering "emergency cash" for a $35 fee to customers who went to the ATM for withdrawals that would exceed their bank balance. Moynihan said 50 percent of these customers opted to go ahead with the fee.

Awesome. Half the customers think it's plausible they'll need to impulse-buy something that exceeds their balance, and they think the solution is to borrow the money at that time and pay a $35 fee to do so.

Which also tells me that half the customers pretty much have no money in their accounts.

horseshoe3
22nd October 2010, 06:20 AM
If you have to use a bank, use a small, local bank. At my bank, the president knows every customer by name. He probably even knows all their kids and dogs by name too. It's just human nature to rip off the faceless masses, but treat your friends and neighbors with respect.

chad
22nd October 2010, 06:27 AM
i agree. everyone in my small, local bank knows me. i can go in and take money out without even having my checkbook or any ID. my kid runs back behind the teller window sometimes, and they let him run the change machine.

Still Barbaro
22nd October 2010, 07:32 AM
Said bye bye to BofA when they charged me (or tried to) $29.95 for use of my credit card.


I know B of A is awful, but why do they do this?

horseshoe3
22nd October 2010, 07:36 AM
Same here. In fact, one time I was considering buying a swather at auction and asked the banker if there were any forms I needed to fill out to get pre-approved for a loan. We were talking about maybe 20-30k. He said "Don't worry about it. Just write the check and call me on monday. I'll fill out the paperwork and you can sign it when you get the chance." I don't think you'll get that at BOA.

He later said that anytime I wanted to buy something under 100k, go ahead and handle it that way. Over 100k I have to call him first. Man, he is such a hardass. ;D

chad
22nd October 2010, 08:17 AM
Same here. In fact, one time I was considering buying a swather at auction and asked the banker if there were any forms I needed to fill out to get pre-approved for a loan. We were talking about maybe 20-30k. He said "Don't worry about it. Just write the check and call me on monday. I'll fill out the paperwork and you can sign it when you get the chance." I don't think you'll get that at BOA.

He later said that anytime I wanted to buy something under 100k, go ahead and handle it that way. Over 100k I have to call him first. Man, he is such a hardass. ;D


my bank lady did the same thing last week when i was buying my truck. floated me $6,900 for 1 day until i had a check come in. i didn't fill out anything, i just came in and they gave me $6,900 cash, then the next day i went in and paid them back. they seemed really concerned about it.

horseshoe3
22nd October 2010, 09:20 AM
Yep, they are allowed to use common sense in a small bank. Filling out the paperwork for a one day loan would have been a PITA.

goldleaf
22nd October 2010, 11:07 AM
That Damned overdraft protection is the biggest racket I've ever seen. You deposit money on the weekend, as far as i'm concerned its in there. But come Monday morning they start subtracting checks
you've written and don't credit the deposit till maybe Tuesday, charging you 30 bucks a check, not a day, but per check.

Low Pan
22nd October 2010, 11:50 AM
BofA charges me $6 bucks when I make an online mortgage payment the bastards.


So?

Stop paying.


And if they start getting sh*tty with you, tell them to show you the f*cking note.


And if they have the note but are not the lender you took out the loan w/ then ask them to evidence the Assignment of Transfer chain that proves they are the rightful owner of the note.

Low Pan
22nd October 2010, 11:58 AM
That Damned overdraft protection is the biggest racket I've ever seen. You deposit money on the weekend, as far as i'm concerned its in there. But come Monday morning they start subtracting checks
you've written and don't credit the deposit till maybe Tuesday, charging you 30 bucks a check, not a day, but per check.


BofA got busted for purposely doing something similar to that too.


Time for another class-action lawsuit. This time, Bank of America and its affiliated banks are putting up $35 million to settle accusations of doing various naughty things to boost their revenues in the form of overdraft fees (AKA insufficient funds fees, bounced check fees, returned item fees).

For example, let’s say you have a bank balance of $500. You have debit card transactions of $15, $75, $200, and then $600. Allegedly, BofA would order the transactions posted from high-to-low, so that you’d have 4 separate overdraft fee charges, instead of just one.

According to the official settlement website, it looks like it may cover a lot of people. If you are eligible, you may be rewarded up to $78 depending on the number of claimants. You must submit a claim form either by mail or online by May 1, 2009. So who’s eligible?

You are a member of the Settlement Class and eligible for a payment if you resided in the United States at any time between the dates set forth below, had an account at a bank listed below, and meet all three of the following requirements:


Your account was accessible through a debit card, check card, or any other bank
card used for debit purchases; AND
You paid at least one:
insufficient funds fee, overdraft fee, returned item fee, or similar fee that was assessed to your account within five business days after a Bank of America debit card transaction either occurred or posted to your account; OR
overlimit fee or similar fee that was assessed for an account cycle in which a Bank of America debit card transaction either occurred or posted to your account;
AND
The insufficient funds fee, overdraft fee, returned item fee, overlimit fee, or similar fee was paid between the following dates:

For customers of . . . From Through
Bank of America 12/6/2000 12/31/2007
Fleet Bank, N.A. 4/1/2004 12/31/2007
U.S. Trust Company, N.A. 7/1/2007 12/31/2007
LaSalle Bank N.A. and LaSalle Bank Midwest N.A. 10/1/2007 12/31/2007

willie pete
22nd October 2010, 12:12 PM
At one point I remember BOA would charge $3 if you wanted to walk up to a teller window... :D ...disgusting....they charge you $3 to make a deposit? ....lol and before the rules changed, a representative told me that debits were posted first, then credits which could trigger overdraft fees