Vatican - jews are no longer a chosen people

[General of Darkness]

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Vatican body asks UN to 'end Israeli occupation'

In final statement of two-week conference, bishops' synod urges international community to take 'necessary legal steps to put an end to the occupation of the different Arab territories'

Reuters
Published: 10.23.10, 14:00 / Israel News

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Israel cannot use the Biblical concept of a promised land or a chosen people to justify new "settlements" in Jerusalem or territorial claims, a Vatican synod on the Middle East said on Saturday.


In its concluding message after two weeks of meetings, the synod of bishops from the Middle East also said it hoped a two-state solution
for peace between Israel and the Palestinians could be lifted from dream to reality and called for peaceful conditions that would stop a Christian exodus from the region.


"We have meditated on the situation of the holy city of Jerusalem. We are anxious about the unilateral initiatives that threaten its composition and risk to change its demographic balance," the message said.


US-brokered peace talks have stalled since Israel rejected appeals to extend a temporary moratorium on settlement construction in the West Bank that expired last month.


Since the freeze expired, Israel has announced plans to build another 238 homes in two east Jerusalem neighborhoods, drawing the condemnation of Palestinians and world leaders.


In a separate part of the document -- a section on cooperation with Jews -- the synod fathers also took issue with Jews who use the Bible to justify settlements in the West Bank, which Israel captured in 1967.


"Recourse to theological and biblical positions which use the Word of God to wrongly justify injustices is not acceptable," the document said.


Many Jewish settlers and right-wing Israelis claim a biblical birthright to the West Bank, which they call Judea and Samaria and regard as a part of historical, ancient Israel given to the Jews by God.



Asked about the passage at a news conference, Greek-Melchite Archbishop Cyrille Salim Bustros, said:


"We Christians cannot speak about the promised land for the Jewish people. There is no longer a chosen people. All men and women of all countries have become the chosen people.


"The concept of the promised land cannot be used as a base for the justification of the return of Jews to Israel and the displacement of Palestinians," he added. "The justification of Israel's occupation of the land of Palestine cannot be based on sacred scriptures."


The synod's concluding message repeated a Vatican call for Jerusalem to have a special status "which respects its particular character" as a city sacred to the three great monotheistic religions -- Judaism, Christianity and Islam.


Jerusalem remains a key issue of dispute. Palestinians want east Jerusalem for capital of a future state. Israel has annexed the area, a move never recognized internationally, and has declared Jerusalem to be its "united and eternal" capital.


Israel did not include east Jerusalem as part of its 10-month building freeze, though most plans there were put on hold in March, when the U.S. protested reports of a new housing project leaked during a visit by Vice President Joe Biden.


East Jerusalem was also captured by Israel in 1967.


While recognizing "the suffering and insecurity in which Israelis live" and the need for Israel to enjoy peace within internationally recognized borders, the document was much more expansive and detailed on the situation of Palestinians.


It said Palestinians "are suffering the consequences of the Israeli occupation: the lack of freedom of movement, the wall of separation and the military checkpoints, the political prisoners, the demolition of homes, the disturbance of socio-economic life and the thousands of refugees."


It urged Christians in the region not to sell their homes and properties. "It is a vital aspect of the lives of those who remain there and for those who one day will return there."


It condemned terrorism "from wherever it may proceed" as well as anti-Semitism, Islamophobia and discrimination against Christians.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3973590,00.html

[ShortJohnSilver]

The Bible is not a land registry.

[kregener]

Does anybody really care what the Catholic Church says?

[Libertarian_Guard]

Interesting story, and I am not disagreeing with it, but we all know the media will file it under T for trash!

Perhaps it will circulate in Catholic news letters, but it will not be the subject of coporate media Sunday talk shows.

[Libertarian_Guard]

Does anybody really care what the Catholic Church says?


For the most part, I don't care who is doing the talking, I either agree or disagree, and try to look for their adjenda.

[Horn]

Does anybody really care what the Catholic Church says?


The size of the following hasn't shrank any.

Have you seen them marching?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE4_FpZvGFA

[Serpo]

The Jews are the chosen people,the only thing is they where chosen by this guy........

[Horn]

The Jews are the chosen people,the only thing is they where chosen by this guy........


Lets be honest here, the Vatican does it fair share of choosing for God itself... :)

As I'm sure these works are intended to promote.

[Serpo]

Does anybody really care what the Catholic Church says?



er no quite the opposite.................Ive had it with religion totally , even though Im into God or whatever people want to call it,him ,her.

[Libertarian_Guard]

The Bible is not a land registry.



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Many would agree with you, but such opinions are not, and will not be expressed by the corporate media.

On this subject, their guidelines and procedures don’t begin to touch this area.




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And then there is the all encompassing charge of anti-semite, which never seems to grow tired in the zionists mind.

[Horn]

O.K. while its been fun guys, I have to go celebrate Pagan rituals with my children, Happy Halloween.

[bellevuebully]

Does anybody really care what the Catholic Church says?

They have had power over Kings and countries for 2 millenium. I would say many care what they say. I'm not saying it is good, I'm saying it is important, very important.

[bellevuebully]

Perhaps it will circulate in Catholic news letters, but it will not be the subject of coporate media Sunday talk shows.


Those who actually follow Vatican-consecrated publications are followers of 'the Church', not Jesus. Otherwise, they would recognize and expose the heresies within (veneration of Mary, Mass, asscension of mary, infallibility of the Pope as Christ's vicar on earth, authority over and above that of scripture, and on and on and on) , as Luther did. So in general, these publications only 'preach to the choir'. So in general, you are correct, it will fly right under the radar.

[Fortyone]

Perhaps it will circulate in Catholic news letters, but it will not be the subject of coporate media Sunday talk shows.


Those who actually follow Vatican-consecrated publications are followers of 'the Church', not Jesus. Otherwise, they would recognize and expose the heresies within (veneration of Mary, Mass, asscension of mary, infallibility of the Pope as Christ's vicar on earth, authority over and above that of scripture, and on and on and on) , as Luther did. So in general, these publications only 'preach to the choir'. So in general, you are correct, it will fly right under the radar.


Im glad you are the Lord's personal Judge in these matters,You personally know what is every Catholic's heart Im sure. :oo-->


No, Im not Catholic

[Tumbleweed]

I am a catholic.

When a family gathers in their home to share a meal it is similar to attending church. The father sits at the head of the table. It is a gathering and sharing as a family.

When we gather at church it is a gathering and sharing of the family of God. We are the children of God.

I've never felt like a follower of the church but I do try to follow the teachings of Jesus.









Perhaps it will circulate in Catholic news letters, but it will not be the subject of coporate media Sunday talk shows.


Those who actually follow Vatican-consecrated publications are followers of 'the Church', not Jesus. Otherwise, they would recognize and expose the heresies within (veneration of Mary, Mass, asscension of mary, infallibility of the Pope as Christ's vicar on earth, authority over and above that of scripture, and on and on and on) , as Luther did. So in general, these publications only 'preach to the choir'. So in general, you are correct, it will fly right under the radar.


Im glad you are the Lord's personal Judge in these matters,You personally know what is every Catholic's heart Im sure. :oo-->


No, Im not Catholic

[Horn]

Even though I would be excommunicated by the Catholic church, I would most likely side with them if caught in between a war with them & Protestants. As I'm sure faith alone is not enough to triumph in war.

War requires regimenting, and if you got to do the nasty, its best to have all your ducks in a row.

[illumin19]

Even though I would be excommunicated by the Catholic church, I would most likely side with them if caught in between a war with them & Protestants.


What about the Catholic church vs. the Amish? :D

[Horn]

What about the Catholic church vs. the Amish? :D


That would be a slaughter, I could most likely steer clear from.

[bellevuebully]

Perhaps it will circulate in Catholic news letters, but it will not be the subject of coporate media Sunday talk shows.


Those who actually follow Vatican-consecrated publications are followers of 'the Church', not Jesus. Otherwise, they would recognize and expose the heresies within (veneration of Mary, Mass, asscension of mary, infallibility of the Pope as Christ's vicar on earth, authority over and above that of scripture, and on and on and on) , as Luther did. So in general, these publications only 'preach to the choir'. So in general, you are correct, it will fly right under the radar.


Im glad you are the Lord's personal Judge in these matters,You personally know what is every Catholic's heart Im sure. :oo-->


No, Im not Catholic


You're correct. That was very broad based, and I stand corrected. But the fact that they do not recognize the heretical doctrines speaks volumes. No?

[ShortJohnSilver]

Even though I would be excommunicated by the Catholic church, I would most likely side with them if caught in between a war with them & Protestants.


What about the Catholic church vs. the Amish? :D


Sure and the Amish would invite the Catholics in, give them all hard cider, get the Catholics all good and drunk and then suggest they race each other ...

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

Does anybody really care what the Catholic Church says?


I would imagine Catholics care deeply.

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

Karma for physically harming the Amish would be severe.

[Twisted Titan]

O.K. while its been fun guys, I have to go celebrate Pagan rituals with my children, Happy Halloween.


And Happy Samhain to you too!!!




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3AvHjvFy8

[Book]

Does anybody really care what the Catholic Church says?



They spoke Truth in this instance and your comment does not diminish that Truth.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

As stated in another thread, the phrase "The Chosen People" is very interesting. What the Hebrew people were "chosen" for was the extra responsibility of following extra commandments and biblical laws from Yaweh. There are 7 major and 606 minor laws that the Chosen People must follow. That's pretty much what they were chosen for.

So the phrasing of this announcement is rather weird. The vatican either a) doesn't know the above or b) is stating that they're now free from their obligation to follow biblical laws?


Chosen people has never meant "Super Duper Special Race" as near as I can tell in my studies. Any usage in this fashion is a new phenomena of the last century...

They were chosen for the responsibility of bearing all of Yaweh's laws...Am I wrong? This is just based on what I've studied.

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

As stated in another thread, the phrase "The Chosen People" is very interesting. What the Hebrew people were "chosen" for was the extra responsibility of following extra commandments and biblical laws from Yaweh. There are 7 major and 606 minor laws that the Chosen People must follow. That's pretty much what they were chosen for.

So the phrasing of this announcement is rather weird. The vatican either a) doesn't know the above or b) is stating that they're now free from their obligation to follow biblical laws?


Chosen people has never meant "Super Duper Special Race" as near as I can tell in my studies. Any usage in this fashion is a new phenomena of the last century...

They were chosen for the responsibility of bearing all of Yaweh's laws...Am I wrong? This is just based on what I've studied.


One thing one can safely say about Catholicism is they generally have their theological ducks all in a line. According to Judaism, Jews are indeed a "super duper special race", at least to orthodox Jews, and the same conceit is found in the secular Jews too. Jews have a high opinion of themselves to the point of obsessiveness, as in the Jewish people hold no blame for anything throughout history.

[Tumbleweed]

When ever I get to visiting with a catholic priest I always end up asking if a catholic can be a mason and can Jews inter heaven without accepting Jesus as god. The answer is always...NO!

[Down1]

Did Reuters intentionally misquote the Bishop ?
This seems a much more hardcore quote.

"For Christians one can no longer talk of the land promised to the Jewish people," he said, because the "promise" was "abolished by the presence of Christ."
http://www.timeslive.co.za/world/article723440.ece/Palestine-is-not-Israels-promised-land--Archbishop

Than what they had in their article, which doesn't mention that Jesus guy.

"We Christians cannot speak about the promised land for the Jewish people. There is no longer a chosen people. All men and women of all countries have become the chosen people.

[EE_]

When ever I get to visiting with a catholic priest I always end up asking if a catholic can be a mason and can Jews inter heaven without accepting Jesus as god. The answer is always...NO!


Good questions for devout Zionist Christians too!
Think I'll use them.

[Fortyone]

When ever I get to visiting with a catholic priest I always end up asking if a catholic can be a mason and can Jews inter heaven without accepting Jesus as god. The answer is always...NO!


Good questions for devout Zionist Christians too!
Think I'll use them.


A Christian Zionist will respond with "They have already been approved" I Know, ive used it already.

[bellevuebully]

They were chosen for the responsibility of bearing all of Yaweh's laws...Am I wrong? This is just based on what I've studied.


I think this is only part of the answer.

Romans 11 speaks clearly about this....."but rather, through their fall, salvation is come unto the Gentiles...". <<<their fall from being unable to uphold the law, and therefore be justified and sanctified before God.

The jews were the medium through which God 'reached' mankind. It is the law that makes us aware of sin; Rom 3:20, the law that was given to them. He knew beforehand that they could not be justified through the law, but that through the law and because of the inability to fulfill it, it would shed light on our sinful nature. It is the perfect sacrafice of Jesus on the cross that nullifies the law, and gives the free gift of God to all mankind (Gentiles), who were excluded from the law.

For lack of better terms, they were forsaken so that we could have an offer of salvation. But Romans 11:15 and Romans 11:26 ellude to the fact that God has a plan to save the true Israel; 11:15..."for if the casting away of them [jews (my highlight)] be the reconciling of the world, what shall be the receiving of them be, but life from the dead." and 11:26,27......."and so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: for this is my covenant unto them, when I shall thake away their sins."

So in short, God used them to get to us, and he is apparently going to use us to get to them.

[Horn]

The Pope's just playin Obi Wan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1rlThKe1qo