It would be nice is there wasn't so much violence

[Liquid]

It would be nice if violence wasn't getting worse. It would be a nice if there was a solution, that didn't involve violence.

Man, I heard someone get murdered this morning. I heard a couple of faint pops ealier, thought to myself that it sounded like gunfire.

Shortly later, get outside the gate to the parking lot and see maybe 20 cops, all guns drawn on one of the motel rooms. I talk to one of the cops, a gal I knew, and she said it was another 187. Another 187...

I had to walk out in the open to get to my car. As I'm walking by all these cops taking cover, I start hoping no shooting starts so I don't take a stray bullet.

It bothers me that I heard the shots of someone getting murdered. It bothers me that I had to walk to my car hoping not to get shot.

I really wish I wasn't so damn sensitive. All the violence in this world gets to me. It shouldn't be like this, there really has to be a way to fix everything without violence.

[Dogman]

It would be nice if violence wasn't getting worse. It would be a nice if there was a solution, that didn't involve violence.

Man, I heard someone get murdered this morning. I heard a couple of faint pops ealier, thought to myself that it sounded like gunfire.

Shortly later, get outside the gate to the parking lot and see maybe 20 cops, all guns drawn on one of the motel rooms. I talk to one of the cops, a gal I knew, and she said it was another 187. Another 187...

I had to walk out in the open to get to my car. As I'm walking by all these cops taking cover, I start hoping no shooting starts so I don't take a stray bullet.

It bothers me that I heard the shots of someone getting murdered. It bothers me that I had to walk to my car hoping not to get shot.

I really wish I wasn't so damn sensitive. All the violence in this world gets to me. It shouldn't be like this, there really has to be a way to fix everything without violence.


As the economy gets worse the violence will also. Crap here has been picking up in the last few months and seems to be getting worse day to day..

Not good.

[Ponce]

You have seen nothing yet.....embraced what is going on as being part of life, the first thing that a "survivalist" must have is the mind to confront what is to come.

[StackerKen]

according to some, Violent crimes are on the decline. :-\

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

[Liquid]

according to some, Violent crimes are on the decline. :-\

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm


Looks like 1993 was the worst year for violent crimes. I don't know Ken, what is 2010 going to look like on paper?

Crime is definitely going up, at least in my area. It is going to get worse as well.

[milehi]

I think people are losing it. I live in a small sleepy community where nothing happens, but last week a grandmother shot her nine year old grandson and then killed herself. ??? I can't even imagine being her husband and coming home to that scene.

[Light]

My grandmother better not try that on me.

[General of Darkness]

Violence? You guys are kidding right? The future is going to be horribly violent. People can post articles that state that violence is decreasing, but that's a lie. The future is going to hyper violent and the lines are going to be drawn on racial lines. Thanks jews.

[Liquid]

Violence? You guys are kidding right? The future is going to be horribly violent. People can post articles that state that violence is decreasing, but that's a lie. The future is going to hyper violent and the lines are going to be drawn on racial lines. Thanks jews.


This is my big concern. I want to live my life without that "I could get shot" feeling. I hate that feeling, you can't mistake it for anything.

I intend to survive without violence. That is my goal.

[StackerKen]

I intend to survive without violence. That is my goal.


I think you need to move to a more remote location then Liquid.

[Liquid]

I think you need to move to a more remote location then Liquid.


I am working on it Ken. I even have the place picked out. Small sleepy coastal town. There's good surfing there, you'd approve. ;)

[General of Darkness]

I intend to survive without violence. That is my goal.


I think you need to move to a more remote location then Liquid.


Ken, I like you, but you're wrong. People need to stay and fight back. What you're advocating is hiding, and I do understand that premise but let me remind you.

Those who risk nothing
Do nothing
Achieve nothing
Become nothing

Imagine if the founders thought like you did.
If I stay in this country, I will fight back, guaranteed. What's funny is that I do talk about leaving, but all my actions relegate me to the fact that I'm staying, shoulder to shoulder with my patriot brothers.

FYI - If you see a short Hollywood model in the trenches, that's probably me. ;D

[Liquid]

Imagine if the founders thought like you did.
If I stay in this country, I will fight back, guaranteed. What's funny is that I do talk about leaving, but all my actions relegate me to the fact that I'm staying, shoulder to shoulder with my patriot brothers.


Our founders had something to fight, we have nothing. We are on a downward spiral into a third world shithouse, and nothing we can do can stop it.

There's nothing I can do to improve where I live. Nothing, I've tried and failed.

Crime will continue to go up, either I adapt to that or get the hell out.

I'm thinking, get out while I can.

[StackerKen]

I like you too General :)

Im a lover not a fighter...lol

But I will defend

lyrics to Way Out Here /Josh Thompson

Our houses are protected by the good Lord and a gun
And you might meet 'em both if you show up here not welcome son ;D

[hoarder]

It would be nice if violence wasn't getting worse. It would be a nice if there was a solution, that didn't involve violence.
I know. The problem is the proliferation of guns and the gun culture. :baa I just had to throw that out there.

People need to stay and fight back. What you're advocating is hiding, and I do understand that premise but let me remind you. I agree, but there is an upside to White flight...it forces the remaining Whites to wake up, not only because of how thimgs get when they're outnumbered, but by the stark contrast to the areas Whites have taken flight to..

[Fortyone]

Imagine if the founders thought like you did.
If I stay in this country, I will fight back, guaranteed. What's funny is that I do talk about leaving, but all my actions relegate me to the fact that I'm staying, shoulder to shoulder with my patriot brothers.


Our founders had something to fight, we have nothing. We are on a downward spiral into a third world sh*thouse, and nothing we can do can stop it.

There's nothing I can do to improve where I live. Nothing, I've tried and failed.

Crime will continue to go up, either I adapt to that or get the hell out.

I'm thinking, get out while I can.


Oh there is PLENTY of things we can do about it, problem is no one wants to acknowledge that fact.

[Liquid]

I know. The problem is the proliferation of guns and the gun culture. :baa I just had to throw that out there.


hoarder, you have it backwards. It's when the guns are taken from us, that creates sheep.

Take today's incident. The guys arrested were gang members running a prostitution ring. I actually saw a prostitute standing next to that room last night. It was probably a pimp deal went wrong that got someone murdered.

I lock eyes with pimps here. They know they've got one up on me. They know I can't do shit, I see it in the smiles as they look away from me. The best I can do is let them know, that I know, that they are turds.

They are the ones with the guns, because they don't give a shit.

The problem is the BAD guys have the guns here.

[Liquid]

Oh there is PLENTY of things we can do about it, problem is no one wants to acknowledge that fact.


What? You want to come over here and help me clean out the place?

Everyone wants to talk, but no action.

There's nothing we can do. You know that, and I know it too.

[zap]

I intend to survive without violence. That is my goal.


I think you need to move to a more remote location then Liquid.


Ken, I like you, but you're wrong. People need to stay and fight back. What you're advocating is hiding, and I do understand that premise but let me remind you.

Those who risk nothing
Do nothing
Achieve nothing
Become nothing

Imagine if the founders thought like you did.
If I stay in this country, I will fight back, guaranteed. What's funny is that I do talk about leaving, but all my actions relegate me to the fact that I'm staying, shoulder to shoulder with my patriot brothers.

FYI - If you see a short Hollywood model in the trenches, that's probably me. ;D


I see both points, fight or hideout? I'm don't consider myself hiding out here in the mountains, But when it's time i'm sure it will be useful.

I don't know what we can do right now, who are we gonna fight? the foodstampers/welfare people, the government? fight em with our vote, haha.

I don't have the answer, maybe somebody smarter then me could expand on this.

[gunDriller]

It would be nice if violence wasn't getting worse. It would be a nice if there was a solution, that didn't involve violence.

Man, I heard someone get murdered this morning. I heard a couple of faint pops ealier, thought to myself that it sounded like gunfire.

Shortly later, get outside the gate to the parking lot and see maybe 20 cops, all guns drawn on one of the motel rooms. I talk to one of the cops, a gal I knew, and she said it was another 187. Another 187...

I had to walk out in the open to get to my car. As I'm walking by all these cops taking cover, I start hoping no shooting starts so I don't take a stray bullet.

It bothers me that I heard the shots of someone getting murdered. It bothers me that I had to walk to my car hoping not to get shot.

I really wish I wasn't so damn sensitive. All the violence in this world gets to me. It shouldn't be like this, there really has to be a way to fix everything without violence.


sounds like you could use some 3/4 inch thick polycarb or acrylic on your front and back and side windows to make sure no one in your house gets hit by a stray bullet.

you got to survive the "ambient violence".

i notice the crime levels going up. street crime and government crime and white collar crime.

[Fortyone]

Oh there is PLENTY of things we can do about it, problem is no one wants to acknowledge that fact.


What? You want to come over here and help me clean out the place?

Everyone wants to talk, but no action.

There's nothing we can do. You know that, and I know it too.




First, things have to change socially and politically, once the crap is sorted, it will be easy to clean.

[kregener]

Are you female Liquid?

[StackerKen]

41; I doubt things are gonna change socially and politically for the better any time soon.

[Fortyone]

41; I doubt things are gonna change socially and politically for the better any time soon.


Glad you see my point though Ken ;)

[Liquid]

Are you female Liquid?


This BS is a perfect example of how folks live sheltered lives.

Eh, go watch another movie Kregener.

[zap]

41; I doubt things are gonna change socially and politically for the better any time soon.


It isn't going to change till it all falls apart, "he who has the most money wins all the power",

[1970 silver art]

It would be nice if violence wasn't getting worse. It would be a nice if there was a solution, that didn't involve violence.

Man, I heard someone get murdered this morning. I heard a couple of faint pops ealier, thought to myself that it sounded like gunfire.

Shortly later, get outside the gate to the parking lot and see maybe 20 cops, all guns drawn on one of the motel rooms. I talk to one of the cops, a gal I knew, and she said it was another 187. Another 187...

I had to walk out in the open to get to my car. As I'm walking by all these cops taking cover, I start hoping no shooting starts so I don't take a stray bullet.

It bothers me that I heard the shots of someone getting murdered. It bothers me that I had to walk to my car hoping not to get shot.

I really wish I wasn't so damn sensitive. All the violence in this world gets to me. It shouldn't be like this, there really has to be a way to fix everything without violence.


Liquid,

There is nothing that you can do about the violence in your neighborhood. The worsening economy and increasing real unemployment rate will just increase crime and violence. The only things that you can do is to just be selfish by looking out for yourself first. Moving out of that crime-ridden neighborhood is a good idea and I read in an earlier post that you are doing that. In the meantime, while you are still living in the current neighborhood, you will just have to stay armed and defend yourself.

[kregener]

Either female or coming dangerously close to metrosexual.

And thanks! I think I will go watch Team America - World Police again!

[StackerKen]

41; I doubt things are gonna change socially and politically for the better any time soon.


Glad you see my point though Ken ;)


Yes I see your point 41...but its kind of a moot point, Isn't it?

I don't have any answers either...
I'm just gonna try my best to stay away from the violence and the violent areas.

[1970 silver art]

Oh there is PLENTY of things we can do about it, problem is no one wants to acknowledge that fact.


What? You want to come over here and help me clean out the place?

Everyone wants to talk, but no action.

There's nothing we can do. You know that, and I know it too.




First, things have to change socially and politically, once the crap is sorted, it will be easy to clean.


Unfortunately, that social and political change is not going to happen. Not anytime soon anyway.

[willie pete]

I know. The problem is the proliferation of guns and the gun culture. :baa I just had to throw that out there.


hoarder, you have it backwards. It's when the guns are taken from us, that creates sheep.

Take today's incident. The guys arrested were gang members running a prostitution ring. I actually saw a prostitute standing next to that room last night. It was probably a pimp deal went wrong that got someone murdered.

I lock eyes with pimps here. They know they've got one up on me. They know I can't do sh*t, I see it in the smiles as they look away from me. The best I can do is let them know, that I know, that they are turds.

They are the ones with the guns, because they don't give a sh*t.

The problem is the BAD guys have the guns here.



If you're living that close to the edge, try and get out, move away....I KNOW that's easier said than done, but it sounds like your in a bad space...

[Fortyone]

When this whole system goes down,and it WILL,the way things are going, there will be a new structure in this country, of order and security.It is beginning in Germany and France, with some rumblings in smaller nations.This needs to be done, and will come to pass.

[Liquid]

Either female or coming dangerously close to metrosexual.



;D You have a right to your opinions, of course. The buffer we call "internet". If you looked me in the eye and said this, that would be another issue.

[Fortyone]

People just wont accept the hard decisions any more, thats the biggest problem. They are too worried about "Offending" someone. Good example is Mexico, I read that a bunch of party goers were murdered just the other day. Are you going to tell me the Mexican Army cant beat these guys? HA HA. Of course they can!They just need to do it! People are too restrained by the peacenik and equality attitude anymore to take care of their troubles. This is spoon fed by the Globalist Media controlled by the bankers,who want universal hegemony so they can make more profit! back to Mexico, If Mussolini's tactics in dealing with the Mafia were used, bloodshed would be minimal,and security would be restored. He didnt have open gun battles in Sicily's cities, he sent the Army to the Don's villas and placed them under arrest.If they fought back, he would use WHATEVER means to force their surrender. Once the Dons were removed,the actual fighters disappeared when the pay envelopes stopped. you will have quiet.

[Ponce]

I will not be blks against whites or mexicans against blks.......in the beginning yes, but then it will be anybody against anybody that has anything that they might need,,,,,,,mostly FOOD.

[Fortyone]

I will not be blks against whites or mexicans against blks.......in the beginning yes, but then it will be anybody against anybody that has anything that they might need,,,,,,,mostly FOOD.


That would be a total collapse, I really dont see that happening. I see more of social upheavals.

[willie pete]

I will not be blks against whites or mexicans against blks.......in the beginning yes, but then it will be anybody against anybody that has anything that they might need,,,,,,,mostly FOOD.



Viejo.....if it get's to that point, there are going to be bodies laying around everywhere.....I just don't think it'll ever get that bad like some "mad-max" movie..total anarchy....the ones in control won't let it happen....the parasite doesn't want to kill the host, it wants to live off it and suck the blood as long as it can...

[kregener]

Either female or coming dangerously close to metrosexual.



;D You have a right to your opinions, of course. The buffer we call "internet". If you looked me in the eye and said this, that would be another issue.




Of that I have no doubt. If i ever talk like that straight to anyone's face, we are well past any niceties.

[Liquid]

Of that I have no doubt. If i ever talk like that straight to anyone's face, we are well past any niceties.


So what you are saying is that you enjoy insulting me behind the safety of your computer? The internet.

Got it.

Going forward, don't post what you would not say to my face.

[kregener]

First, I did not insult you, I asked a fucking QUESTION. Straightforward. A question.

YOU appeared to be insulted by the question, which only further propagated the flimsiness of your emotions and ability to handle serious goings on in your AO.

Your internet blustering is so fucking scary that I might...well, do nothing.

[Book]

It would be nice if violence wasn't getting worse.



http://ewpopwatch.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/teletubbies_l.jpg

Teevee lied to you about humans being gay multi-culti peacemongers. It has always been a jungle out there...

:oo-->

[Fortyone]

A Mad Max/Postman/Book of Eli world would occur after a major catastrophe,like an Asteroid strike,or Global Nuclear War, In an economic collapse, the social breakdown would be isolated more or less to the areas that already border lawlessness.Other areas would degrade of course and crime rise,but society would not totally collapse if it was a stand alone event.

[Liquid]

First, I did not insult you, I asked a f*cking QUESTION. Straightforward. A question.

YOU appeared to be insulted by the question, which only further propagated the flimsiness of your emotions and ability to handle serious goings on in your AO.

Your internet blustering is so f*cking scary that I might...well, do nothing.


Yes, you did insult me. Your question was an insult. I damn well have a right to point that out!

I handle what needs to be handled. That's why I am posting to you right now.

Relax a bit. I have no beef with you.

[kregener]

Cool. I have no beef with you either.

And I hope that now that you have had a chance to get passed the incident, and think about it, that you realize violence has been a part of the human condition since Cain turned on his brother Abel in the fields, and it is our ability to handle it that defines who we are.

[FunnyMoney]

There are different levels of violence, from individual's unable to control simple anger to criminals seeking some material reward to the business of war and counter productive govt activities.

It seems like you are most concerned about the middle tier, and while it isn't responsible for the biggest quantity of violence, it is a big deal.

Govts have created agendas which foster criminal activities, the war on drugs is just one example among many. Furthermore, the general deterioration of individual wealth and freedoms push more of the lower class into crime as one of the only options for them - again central powers extracting wealth (top feeding off the bottom - ala HT) causes much of that.

So, again, most problems trace back to the root problems of taxes and centralized powers, both financial and political.

And I think, that your thinking about this Liquid flows already fine. Make it through to the other side, or at least try and enable your family to. Plan A has never worked and your plan B at a sleepy coastal location might be just the ticket. Fighting the criminals in hopes at destroying the criminal system isn't for everybody. Not everybody has the time, resources, health, youth and spirit to become a freedom fighter. Doing what's best for you and your children is a perfect plan under the current situation. Sticking your neck out and yelling "revolution" and "down with IRS workers" is probably not such a good strategy, save your breath for someday down the road when/if the sheeple ever wake up. Right now most of the 80 percent spectator crowd would rather see you thrown into the games. It was the same in the days of Rome, bread and circus.

[Liquid]

And I hope that now that you have had a chance to get passed the incident, and think about it, that you realize violence has been a part of the human condition since Cain turned on his brother Abel in the fields, and it is our ability to handle it that defines who we are.


This incident will be a blip on the radar for me. I've pointed guns at too many people, in my life, to repeat. Too many to count actually.

I care not to repeat that.

I think I'll retire from violence, best I can. ;)

[hoarder]

I know. The problem is the proliferation of guns and the gun culture. :baa I just had to throw that out there.


hoarder, you have it backwards. It's when the guns are taken from us, that creates sheep.


I guess you didn't catch the sarcasm. Heck, I AM the gun culture. :D

[cedarchopper]

You don't move to the ghetto and think your presence is going to change it. You get the hell away from it. I went to the ghetto the other day to buy a piece of equipment and couldn't get the hell out of there soon enough. Everybody had bars on their windows like they lived in prison. Screw that BS.

If you are making eye contact with pimps...you may be living in the wrong part of town :]

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

I have not yet found any alternatives to violence in extreme hypothetical situations. I believe the Dhali Lama stated that he believed that if someone was pointing a gun at you, it would be wise to shoot them first. I strive to develop myself spiritually and not get worked up over something that doesn't matter, and also to display forgiveness to others if I can. But - and I hate saying this, because I'm not sure if I am part of the problem or the solution - there are times when you must fight.

Plain and simple, sometimes you must fight. My reasons for thinking this is that the enemy of today is nebulous. It is everywhere and nowhere at once. We can't even really define it thoroughly. It's just general malaise and corruption. There were times in history when a man could achieve something by dying for a purpose, but the genius of today's system is that it makes any individual's death meaningless. Non-violent resistance to the beast system a la Ghandi would work in America if we had the coordination and information and cooperation, but I don't believe these things are probable on a massive level because of the base characteristics of the population. Therefore, since we have established that it is pointless for a man to die for most of the causes offered today (because there is no actual enemy to fight, it's like swinging a sword into mist - there is absolutely no cause any of us can even rally behind and fight for) it is only logical that self-preservation should be a priority.

I mean you can't really "fight" for peace.
You can't fight other races to achieve peace. (Has never worked in modern age)

I certainly don't know what the fuck to do. *shrug*

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

I will not be blks against whites or mexicans against blks.......in the beginning yes, but then it will be anybody against anybody that has anything that they might need,,,,,,,mostly FOOD.


Communities will form for their own protection like they did in the dark ages. There is safety, as well as warmth, in numbers. Whites will indeed stick together, maybe also accepting Asians and some of the better Latinos. One thing good about a real bad situation is we can kill off a lot of the intergenerational bad seeds. Naturally select them, so to speak. The ghetto crowd, the tweeker crowd, the gangbanger crowd, just flush them down the drain.

[hoarder]

It's a good idea to denounce unnecessary violence, violence based in greed or envy or plian ignorance, but I would never denounce violence accross the board. America's Founding Fathers were violent.
Wars can be fought with the pen and the poll, but when the enemy owns all the printing presses and electronic voting machines, he forces you into self-preservation.

When America breaks down into violence and chaos, our rulers will "protect" us using "foreign assets" (foreign troops), who will stay here permanently to subdue anyone who opposes world government.

[zusn]

Oh there is PLENTY of things we can do about it, problem is no one wants to acknowledge that fact.


What? You want to come over here and help me clean out the place?

Everyone wants to talk, but no action.

There's nothing we can do. You know that, and I know it too.
We can always do a Death Wish movie marathon.

[midnight rambler]

Peace through superior firepower.

[FunnyMoney]

Peace through superior firepower.


Few people would agree with you. Thus another problem.

[midnight rambler]

Peace through superior firepower.


Few people would agree with you. Thus another problem.


If everyone was armed, there wouldn't be a problem.

[FunnyMoney]

Well, it's a nice thought and I wish it were true, but unfortunately things have gone quite a distance already. Enough firepower is not exactly in the right hands. Even individual protection is scarce around the world. The USA is the last large group left with even select rights remaining. But beyond that, military expertise is more than out of control. Trouble in the making.

[midnight rambler]

Enough firepower is not exactly in the right hands.

Which is the reason why the Mexican government won't take down the cartels, right?

[FunnyMoney]

Which is the reason why the Mexican government won't take down the cartels, right?


So I read my post again, and am not sure how you made the extrapolation. Maybe you could explain further. Take a look again... Firepower out of control; criminals at several layers....





Well, it's a nice thought and I wish it were true, but unfortunately things have gone quite a distance already. Enough firepower is not exactly in the right hands. Even individual protection is scarce around the world. The USA is the last large group left with even select rights remaining. But beyond that, military expertise is more than out of control. Trouble in the making.

[midnight rambler]

All I'm concerned about is keeping the peace on my own little piece of dirt. What you're referring to has nothing to do with that.

[FunnyMoney]

All I'm concerned about is keeping the peace on my own little piece of dirt. What you're referring to has nothing to do with that.


I hear ya. That's why it's a true statemen, "peace through superior firepower." But unfortunately, there are a lot of military style arms floating around and for the individual, most are unable to purchase/maintain/train with enough firepower to match what's in the hands of a lot of criminals. I was of the opinion that Alaska would work out better if push came to shove.

[midnight rambler]

All I'm concerned about is keeping the peace on my own little piece of dirt. What you're referring to has nothing to do with that.


I hear ya. That's why it's a true statemen, "peace through superior firepower." But unfortunately, there are a lot of military style arms floating around and for the individual, most are unable to purchase/maintain/train with enough firepower to match what's in the hands of a lot of criminals. I was of the opinion that Alaska would work out better if push came to shove.


In a shtf scenario, the criminals are going to have a very short life expectancy. I doubt any will make it past a couple of weeks. You think criminals train? Even the cartel types die in their shootouts. I seriously doubt many criminals are armed as well as the combat vets I know...

[ximmy]

Liquid, I just read your post, I would have wished you were with me tonight... (knowing you bit the bullet and went about your way) more than Kregener, who may have pissed his pants and run...

ximy ~ still a little freaked out...

http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/omg-i-was-almost-involved-in-a-midnight-altercation-yeesh!/msg131463/?topicseen#msg131463

[FunnyMoney]

Sorry to see you go, Liquid. I liked reading your posts. Hope you didn't take the Alaska thing too seriously. While indeed it is possible things might spiral down very quickly from here and chucking the electronics and starting out on your plan B might be the way to proceed, I'm not really at all certain about that or even if Alaska would be the best place from where one could hide out when it does. But wherever you went, Good Luck to You!

[ximmy]

Sorry to see you go, Liquid. I liked reading your posts. Hope you didn't take the Alaska thing too seriously. While indeed it is possible things might spiral down very quickly from here and chucking the electronics and starting out on your plan B might be the way to proceed, I'm not really at all certain about that or even if Alaska would be the best place from where one could hide out when it does. But wherever you went, Good Luck to You!


WTF liquid.. why you go??? :(

[FunnyMoney]

Sorry to see you go, Liquid. I liked reading your posts. Hope you didn't take the Alaska thing too seriously. While indeed it is possible things might spiral down very quickly from here and chucking the electronics and starting out on your plan B might be the way to proceed, I'm not really at all certain about that or even if Alaska would be the best place from where one could hide out when it does. But wherever you went, Good Luck to You!


WTF liquid.. why you go??? :(


Obviously , I don't know and can only speculate, but I followed Liquid's posts very closely. Liquid remained mostly anonymous and what he did let on about might have been misleading information simply to keep TPTB guessing. It is very possible that Liquid was in deep with liquidity, honest liquidity that is, you know, shiny, sparkling true liquidity. At a certain point you see things getting beyond what you expected. Even the smallest holders of precious metals will at some price become amazingly rich. 1,000 dollar silver does not mean the end of the world. Rhodium went to ten times that and nobody even noticed. But what happens is fear comes into play as one realizes it might be better to hold a low profile - even possibly execute on a plan B. A plan B for most involves some kind of "bug out" plan. I think we are a long way from needing to execute a plan B, but it could be that Liquid felt the time for him and his position had come. At the time he left, silver was writing on the wall and it was obvious to long time members of the freedom forums the clutch was being let out and the gears had switched.